Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

[Eloise]

Just for fun:

A good 30 years ago - Pierre-with-hair where it should be - on his head.

[bdsmpretty]

Unfortunately in Europe also some agencies are deep in scorting biz. Sad but true.

Yep.
They funnel naive countryside girls into his so called "porn production".
And not only the naive countryside girls often. Really sad.

It's only good to take it in the ass for cash if it is being recorded? Why the double standard?

I have nothing against prostitution but I hate when it is mixed in the porn biz because of some producers and agencies. Call me weird if you want but I don't like that these people encourage/incite/propose the models to work in their prostitution business.

I agree. I really don't see any difference, from an ethical point, between porn and prostitution. Both are about a paid sexual performance, in one case recorded in the other not. Of course there are differences in the implementation, but the substance doesn't change.
I understand that porn producers are not happy with this interference, me neither, but the moral aspect is the same.

I think the point Robin is making, or hinting at, is that if a model is prepared to sign up for a porn shoot, with the expectation of working with professional people who give their real names, adhere to recognized industry standards re testing/conduct/payment etcetera, and then gets sent to some dirty backstreet hotel where she is met by people she doesn't know, who won't give real names, who are not tested, who treat her as 'some men' think they can treat sex workers (manipulative, abusive, violent), and may not even pay her, that is illegal sex trafficking (by any standard, including in law) under the pretense of being a legitimate agency.

To say 'it's all sex, on camera or off' isn't the point.

Firstly it's about respecting the boundaries the model is setting. Since she will be the most vulnerable party in the transaction at all times, her safety (as she sees it, and for no one else to 'decide for her') should be the paramount consideration.

The adult industry is supposed to adhere to minimum standards in law. As a consequence of which, they can be held liable for breaches of those standards (testing obvious example). Whereas prostitution is an 'industry' outside the law in most countries (though shouldn't be).
Models who want to enter into sex work safely will choose porn and reject prostitution to get those legal safety protections.

Secondly it's about contract. If a model is led to believe the conditions she will be working within are x, is happy with x, and signs up for x, then is expected to go along with y or z, that's blatant (and criminal) breaking terms of a formal contract.
Should such a misled model comes to harm, those involved are complicit (joint enterprise) and so liable to answer for their actions in court. It's ultimately in their interest not to mislead models and abuse their positions within the transaction.

The broader systematic answer to the problem is to legalise sex work of all kinds. Get it out of the shadows, which will force those who profit from the lawlessness currently rife in sex work outside the legitimised porn industry out of business and into the legal system.

But back to original point, only at the biological level is it the same thing. Pull back from that selective (reductive) close-up and put that simple act into the fuller, and far more complex, context and it really is two entirely different things.

[redwhre]

The adult industry is supposed to adhere to minimum standards in law. As a consequence of which, they can be held liable for breaches of those standards (testing obvious example). Whereas prostitution is an 'industry' outside the law in most countries (though shouldn't be).
Models who want to enter into sex work safely will choose porn and reject prostitution to get those legal safety protections.

well porn is another type of prostitution, probably way bigger prostitution than street prostitution

girls who do porn tend to be way bigger whores than the street whores

[redwhre]

although at least in porn prostitution there are fat less stds, there are so many stds everywhere

also blood tests for stds are such a pain

[dap-addict]

I think the point Robin is making, or hinting at, is that if a model is prepared to sign up for a porn shoot, with the expectation of working with professional people who give their real names, adhere to recognized industry standards re testing/conduct/payment etcetera, and then gets sent to some dirty backstreet hotel where she is met by people she doesn't know, who won't give real names, who are not tested, who treat her as 'some men' think they can treat sex workers (manipulative, abusive, violent), and may not even pay her, that is illegal sex trafficking (by any standard, including in law) under the pretense of being a legitimate agency.
(...)
But back to original point, only at the biological level is it the same thing. Pull back from that selective (reductive) close-up and put that simple act into the fuller, and far more complex, context and it really is two entirely different things.

Very good post!
Now problem is also still with that very famous 'porn producer' in Bp who gives his real name probably and sure has all the tests, but later or before his own sex scene manipulates the girls into meeting other good friends in Paris or Dubai. Thats a more complicated setting, still.

[BlueShadow]

Yep but, why we are talking about prostitution in this thread? LOL Or maybe better I don't ask.

[redwhre]

i found pierre woodman evil twin


they are both evil though

[BlueShadow]

Another girl (after Tiny Tina) doing fake advertising for herself and her [spam] (and who knows what else)and for a low production.



Yep, her first porn video...too bad it's just an interview She is sure she got paid for a porn shoot in a hotel room?
Why all these people continue with fake advertisement for that hairy french pig...

Ok, it's not her fault, she may not know that he publishes harcore scenes even after 6 years, or maybe never, but it remains fake advertisment if you say my first porn video if there is nothing to see. Fact.

[BlueShadow]

I just noticed this discussion about Josephine Jackson feeling coerced into doing stuff she didn't want to do when she just started out (and when she was thus easily influence by a seasoned sexual predator), but this part-time father by the name of Pierre Andre Nicolas Gerbier (AKA Pierre Woodman) really is an hyper idiot. Probably the biggest clown in the history of European porn.

We already know that girls laugh about him behind his back and even straight IN HIS FACE:
http://imgur.com/m2cSFbO Seriously, if even young (teenage) girls do not take you seriously any longer as a man, then you're finished.

Please support Josephine Jackson in her battle against this sexual predator, because frankly, that's what you are when you have accomplices within porn agencies who are sending young naive girls to an unprofessional prying porn producer who takes them to all kinds of tourist spots or "fancy" dinners and lures them into shabby hotel rooms with the intend to pressure them into doing sexual acts which they (said) they rather not do.

If you are a lawyer, consider reaching out to Josephine, so that you can make a case to get this guy locked up in a criminal case and shake his pockets empty in a civil case.

Josephine clearly is one of the victims of this horrible degoutant person, who's a disgrace to the whole European porn business with his highly creepy (and criminal) behavior.

This guy really is hyper dumb if he thinks his "security cam" is the only thing that can save his lame ass. He should understand that CONSENT does not only entails explicit consent, BUT ALSO IMPLICIT CONSENT AND CONSENT AFTER THE FACT. In other words, just because you got a model's release signature after the scene, it doesn't automatically mean you can't be guilty of a criminal offense.

And Josephine clearly said she felt that Woodman did not leave her an option to say NO! A real hyper salope!

Facialabuse and others porn sites had to take down certain videos because a model AFTERWARDS said that she felt coerced/tricked/preassured into doing stuff that she didn't want to do in hindsight. In case of a "forced" sodomy (or double sodomy) like with Woodman, well, we all know how the law calls the act of penetration when there is no explicit or implicit consent......

Josephine should take down this horrible person, make a case against him on social media like Insta and Twitter by telling her story and using tags like #metoo, #sexualviolence, #sexagainstwill, #darksideofporn , #pornviolation, #woodman, #pierrewoodman and so on, so that other (just starting and perhaps naive girls; esp. from the rural country side) are not confronted with the feeling of being "violated" or taken advantage of by a sexual predator like that guy.

I'm sure that if Josephine would start a blog or set up a youtube channel where she would ask other girls if they also feel like being tricked/coerced by Woodman or their agency (e.g. Brillbabes etc.) into doing stuff they regret afterwards, that she will get dozens of similar horrible strories of this Ron Jeremy of Europe, who's actually proud to be psycologically persuading/luring young girls into doing sexual acts which they didn't agreed upon when being send to his cheap hotel room by their agencies.

Hopefully Josephine is not scarred for her life and her career now. I mean, he already said he called the model by phone to ask/demand for an explanation after word of her horrible experience on Woodman's set came out.Very unprofessional behavior to behave like you're some kind of mafia figure who must intimidate/bully a young professional model by asking/demanding an explanation. Pure intimidation, even if it was so-called asked "friendly". I understand she's scared, we all read the stories on many forums in the last decade on how all of a sudden girls got exposed at their (former) school, work, parents, family & friends when they felt into disgrace with the self-proclaimed "pope of Euro porn". And in a country like Ukraine where porn is illegal, well, you're in the danger zone when info like that miraculously pops up after an altercation with the pope.

Let's hope the police will knock on his door soon and will have a "talk" with him, put handcuffs on this guy, and lock him up, until the court will have a final say on that salope.
Get him off the streets so that mothers do not need to feel scared that young girls will fall into this guys eager dirty claws.

I have no doubt his site will be bankrupt soon anyways, seeing how few paying members he still has left on his failing amateuristic web-site (including his forum with troll army of dozens accounts that he uses to talk to himself and take down "enemies" like competitors, actors, actresses), and where monthly paying members -not ticket payers- are constantly being scammed out of their money by getting cut-up scenes, which oblige them to re-subscribe for part 2,3,4 every few years when the next part is uploaded LOL. This tactic is necessary because of "pirates", for who want to believe.... LOL.

In the end, he's an irrelevant figure in the world of porn; a piece of sugar in 1000 liter water, so it would be good riddance if he would get convicted and/or ostracized by porn agencies/porn models world wide.

Karma will do it's work....let's hope it will do it properly.

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Video: Josephine Jackson about Pierre Woodman: "I didn't understand I could say NO! So, of course it was an horrible experience!"
http://imgur.com/a/kUiTGZS

Probably this hyper idiot will say this video has been doctored again LOL....

Now I expect an apology from Limpman for those insinuations made about me and photoshop LOL
Nah, who cares, of course I'm joking.

[BlueShadow]

For God's sake, why you put always me in the middle? I know I'm the enemy, but at least be honest.
NOT ME that posted the video, but the user Caveman in the model thread, that I have quoted above.

If I had recorded the video I would have already posted it (if only to defend myself from insinuations that I fake things), trust me.

[BlueShadow]

...And anyway Monsieur Jean you keep saying "Blueshit" even now ... I know the truth hurts.

[robin_reid]

porn agencies who are sending young naive girls to an unprofessional prying porn producer who takes them to all kinds of tourist spots or "fancy" dinners and lures them into shabby hotel rooms with the intend to pressure them into doing sexual acts which they (said) they rather not do.

The agencies that keep sending new girls there first, are complices and for me even more guilty, knowing the psychological pressure the girls will have to suffer. All for his money. It's sick.

[robin_reid]

Josephine clearly is one of the victims of this horrible degoutant person, who's a disgrace to the whole European porn business with his highly creepy (and criminal) behavior.

This guy really is hyper dumb if he thinks his "security cam" is the only thing that can save his lame ass. He should understand that CONSENT does not only entails explicit consent, BUT ALSO IMPLICIT CONSENT AND CONSENT AFTER THE FACT. In other words, just because you got a model's release signature after the scene, it doesn't automatically mean you can't be guilty of a criminal offense.

And Josephine clearly said she felt that Woodman did not leave her an option to say NO! A real hyper salope!

As himself said years ago in that TV show "Durch die Nacht" that “he is a bastard, break the will of girls to get them doing things they don't want and that he even continues if they cry” sadly that’s something normalized and tolerated in Budapest between him and the agencies but in a normal and professional business it shouldn’t be like that. In USA he would be blacklisted and in court like Ron Jeremy.

[narciss69]

Josephine clearly is one of the victims of this horrible degoutant person, who's a disgrace to the whole European porn business with his highly creepy (and criminal) behavior.
I don't think those security camera recordings could save his ass...more could make hím troubles checked by officials.He always comes up with parts of recordings are defending hím, but sure he hides the rest is against his behaviour.
If something bad happens, always is the fault of someone else.Bad agents, pimps, boyfriends,etc. Hé always has this jind of people around, connected to the girls when shit happens. Yes, he never was involved in sex trafficking, but so many people worked with him were in trouble for it....One day he say one thing next day he denies what he said.


This guy really is hyper dumb if he thinks his "security cam" is the only thing that can save his lame ass. He should understand that CONSENT does not only entails explicit consent, BUT ALSO IMPLICIT CONSENT AND CONSENT AFTER THE FACT. In other words, just because you got a model's release signature after the scene, it doesn't automatically mean you can't be guilty of a criminal offense.

And Josephine clearly said she felt that Woodman did not leave her an option to say NO! A real hyper salope!

As himself said years ago in that TV show "Durch die Nacht" that “he is a bastard, break the will of girls to get them doing things they don't want and that he even continues if they cry” sadly that’s something normalized and tolerated in Budapest between him and the agencies but in a normal and professional business it shouldn’t be like that. In USA he would be blacklisted and in court like Ron Jeremy.

Ron Jeremy was an angel in comparison.He's át the level of a Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein.
He probably was the Eppstein of the midle east.

[narciss69]

I don't think those security camera recordings could save his ass...more could make hím troubles checked by officials.He always comes up with parts of recordings are defending hím, but sure he hides the rest is against his behaviour.
If something bad happens, always is the fault of someone else.Bad agents, pimps, boyfriends,etc. Hé always has this jind of people around, connected to the girls when shit happens. Yes, he never was involved in sex trafficking, but so many people worked with him were in trouble for it....One day he say one thing next day he denies what he said.

[BlueShadow]

And what has to do what she say/did for other studios and other directors with the fact that she is the director of HER studio which publishes the scenes on the LP / PB platform?

And anyway it's the same thing that Josephine Jackson did, everything ok ... then 2 years later she really said what she thought, and I don't think LP is minimally involved in that case XD
Just deal with it man.
I'm sure the money are never involved in what he do...

[BlueShadow]

BTW he is simply mad 'cause he see another "bad studio" that publish anal/dp of new model before him, Lenna Ross for instance, no first on the web, and exclusivity lost. Oh well...now he have to bash someone in some way... Otherwise who talk of him?

[Starrio]

I don't understand the drama going on here, but I can that girls having sex is normal, no one should feel guilty because a girl has sex, these old ideas that girls having sex is bad must go, otherwise girls buy into those stupid ideas, and start seeing themselves as victims, when in reality they should be celebrating their freedom, and the fact that they do not have to wear burkas, girls may look mature because they have sex from an early age, but often times they can be very innocent too, if you feed them crap that sex is bad, and that they should feel bad for having sex they are innocent enough to believe it, to the point that they would even rally for such nonesense.

[kuaheyden513]

Woodman breaking the will of girls (?)
Now apparently the phrase ''Anal Destruction'' is what the ''companies''(I just know ONE that use ''destruction'' often ) love to do to the girls AND by the way turn on the viewers.
btw I think she´s high

[BlueShadow]

Woodman breaking the will of girls (?)
Now apparently the phrase ''Anal Destruction'' is what the ''companies''(I just know ONE that use ''destruction'' often ) love to do to the girls AND by the way turn on the viewers.
btw I think she´s high

Ok, but why you post this here? I mean, also the french dude use the word 'destruction' often for marketing purpose (both on the tilte of the scene and on the forum)... don't make me show screenshots , you can see it easily by yourself.

[BlueShadow]

[BlueShadow]

WTF is this moron talking about? XD My God...

[scarletxxx666]

WTF is this moron talking about? XD My God...

dirty ass to mouth is hot

[BlueShadow]

"He couldn't think of a better idea than to post DATMs and RGSs on their forums, thinking they would damage my image. But he didn't understand that if I had a problem with it being seen by people I wouldn't leave it online here..."


My God XD
If he is a narcissistic psycho that think everyone want to damage his image (what image I wonder BTW...) is not my fault.
My post was referred to what say this moron that speak about romanticism, as CLEARLY we can see on this same page.




He really thinks he can manipulate the reality with me... God...maybe that games work in his propaganda forum. What a clown.

[netzerkaiser]

"He couldn't think of a better idea than to post DATMs and RGSs on their forums, thinking they would damage my image. But he didn't understand that if I had a problem with it being seen by people I wouldn't leave it online here..."


My God XD
If he is a narcissistic psycho that think everyone want to damage his image (what image I wonder BTW...) is not my fault.
My post was referred to what say this moron that speak about romanticism, as CLEARLY we can see on this same page.




He really thinks he can manipulate the reality with me... God...maybe that games work in his propaganda forum. What a clown.

I agree. But we'll all meet our maker. We're all goin' down same road.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8xrZieTN14

[Therapya]

According to "Mr.Reliable" the lady listed as escort she is same with that one appearing on the photo with his wife.

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Does he really want sue people for bad thoughts of his beloved one ?

[Therapya]

Mr."Reliable" gonna sue me cuz I`ve shared informations I`ve found on internet by reading his forum.
Hey dude, wasnt me talking of that escort girl listed in your books.Wasnt me who said she`s best friend of your beloved who never did escort, but many girls they did porn and have escort girls best friends are in the same branch we can say.
You cannot chose your family, but you can chose your friends.
Why playing the "Whiteknite" of porn ? Than later when camera is rolling playing the opposite ? Not so clever, Mr."Reliable"
Btw that escort ad is a fake one. I checked it.Germany is in strong lockdown, not the best time for escorts.
Could be made by Mr."Reliable"himself and shared on his forum only to make some fire.Who knows to deal with this guy?

[BlueShadow]

But why he always name me? XD XD
Never spoked about wife, family or private.

And he say incitation of hate and diffamation? How many hate and diffamation post there are on his forum against LP, Rocco Siffredi,some agencies and even some models? I bet more than one.
Seems the same thing of Trump's impeachement, incitation of hate...but the democracts did the same...as we have seen.

[hogawiw911]

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Btw that escort ad is a fake one. I checked it.Germany is in strong lockdown, not the best time for escorts.

No it's not.
This is listed in "all" girls, not "current".

[bake0213]

I think it's time for an intervention: Woodman, Blueshadow and friends all need to get in a room and talk to each other about their feelings.

[hegatif302]

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Btw that escort ad is a fake one. I checked it.Germany is in strong lockdown, not the best time for escorts.

No it's not.
This is listed in "all" girls, not "current".

I'm quite sure she is the same person.
Visited here twice and these blue eyes are unique.

With only, the pictures, I would doubt, too.

She seems not to have an issue, to use here "real" stage name.
Why does Woodman?

[seriousgigi]

WTF is this moron talking about? XD My God...

dirty ass to mouth is hot

more than hot. it is awesome

btw, i have no idea about what is the problem and i dont care though since i watch both of you. but just read last page and making fun of people's hair or hairy body just shows the ones' pathetic character if you ask me. especially since most LP male stars are underperforming. i mean that old guy is better if we talk about hard, rough and fast anal sex. i wish LP guys fuck girls FAST not like current "sleepy" one because these almost "slow motion" sex without hearing body-hitting is not hard at all. my fav. guys here were mike angelo and roccaforte and it seems they are both gone.

having huge dick doesnt mean they are good at sex. like i said woodman's crew or here mr. anderson for example, are better than those guys with giant dicks.

these are my 5 cents.

[Dominator]

^^^ What Woodman scene is that dirty ATM from?? Who is the model?

[BlueShadow]

And he continue to say this kind of things as if it were normal.
If that's true, are we sure it's a moral and professional behavior for an agency and producer? (girls in their first experience that go to a porn shoot don't knowing what kind of performing and how many guys etc.)
Just asking.

[BlueShadow]

Of course young and stupid (and in need of money) not the first ones that say that, who remember Josephine Jackson? LOL

[robin_reid]

And he continue to say this kind of things as if it were normal.
If that's true, are we sure it's a moral and professional behavior for an agency and producer? (girls in their first experience that go to a porn shoot don't knowing what kind of performing and how many guys etc.)
Just asking.

This is totally immoral and unprofessional on both sides, agency and producer.

[robin_reid]

And no matter if girls in their first experience or after 500 scenes, when a model go to a shooting always must know in advance what she is gonna do, which kinds of sexual acts, how many actors, etc...

[BlueShadow]

And no matter if girls in their first experience or after 500 scenes, when a model go to a shooting always must know in advance what she is gonna do, which kinds of sexual acts, how many actors, etc...

Someone continues to confirm that, practically, these girls are sent to an interview that can turn into an anal porn shoot (primary objective) without them being informed about the real intentions, about the fact that they have to deal psychological pressures (3 hours! There is also psychological violence, not only the physical one) and without being warned what kind of shoot, how many guys etc.

It doesn't seem (to me huh, just an opinion...Curious to know the public opinion even in porn in general, (but nobody really cares) what they think, but this thought will remain only here ...) like good behavior towards these young girls who need to work. Someone should do a serious investigation into what's really going on in an agency in Budapest, Brillbabes, here confirms that those girls are from that agency (he thanks them, so...):




and what kind of shady deals are there with agents... because, I'm not a legal expert, but moral aspect aside, it's something close to exploit them.
I hope that they are only stories which are sold to some members for playing the 'character' (porn is also fiction, whatever he says) and that in reality these girls are there well aware and informed about everything by a professional agency...

And most of all, from the same agency that years ago condemned the way of working of that producer ... just LOL. Some Agencies are the real clowns in the end, sorry. Ready to lick ass for money, without dignity.




Oh, and it's not an attack on anyone, only on the ambiguous behavior towards these newbies from some agency, he does what he has to do, after all they (agency and agents) allow it. Just curiosity to know how it really works.

[robin_reid]

It’s not only the commissions for the few shitty scenes per model he does what keeps the agents interested but the clients he brings to the table.

[BlueShadow]

It’s not only the commissions for the few shitty scenes per model he does what keeps the agents interested but the clients he brings to the table.

They do money, it's a business, but the fact is: Is not, more or less, same thing of Czechcasting... girls who are there for a photoshooting but who are then convinced to have sex with the photographer? Where is the big differences...? But I'm sure BrillBabes and 'agents' give all the details to the girls (about the kind of scene they have to do, number of guys involved etc, like for all professional porn productions.) What is written on his forum is all fiction.

after all, also BB is ok. They have no problems with the fact that he say on a public forum that he had to convince the girls to do anal, admitting that Brillbabes (or whoever for them) sends the girls there (for the first experience, young and newbie or, why not...stupid...like Josephine Jackson and also Anetta Keys said, what a coincidence) without telling them the details of the '' interview ''.
For sure not a behaviour that I want to call ''professional'' (maybe for others yes...who know...but they are afraid to share opinions it seems...) or at least not according to the classic concept... (also in USA agencies works in this way? LOL) surely they are professional in other ways...