sumacs3 wrote:Looks like I must be the rascal. My downfall clearly started when I came here to praise PW's two scenes with Wendy Muller, scenes which a number of his fans described as masterpieces, and in which the two participants had the time of their lives. And those two scenes launched her porn career, in which she made another 47 videos. I was very grateful to PW for getting to see Wendy in action. But such praise is not welcome here. PW is to be presented here as always evil and cannot possibly be associated with anything redeeming. The OP for this topic did not even ask for any opinions about PW, but simply said that PW himself admitted he was a bastard and broke the will of girls. My logical contention was that Wendy did not mind, as she came back for another round a year after the casting! She also may have been the only model who left red scratch marks on PW's back, as she pulled him toward her while he heated her up!
Also, what exactly is a romantic conquest, except to break, albeit more slowly, the will of a girl?
The problem sumacs is not the fact that you wish to praise Woodman, it's the fact that you provide such little evidence for why we should praise him. Your one and only reason for deeply admiring him is his scene with Wendy Muller, which has been described by many as a "masterpiece". The only problem with that view is that you are only looking at it from a totally selfish, obsessed point of view. You enjoyed the scene, and because she went back to Woodman and then did a further 47 scenes she also must have enjoyed it, and with that Woodman passes into hero worship. But can you be totally sure that your infatuation is rightly justified?
You pick a girl up in a nightclub and ask her if she wants to go back to your flat, and she says no. Yes, you can try to talk her round (a gentleman wouldn't) and if she eventually says yes, then happy days.
BUT.
If you are a porn producer in a business, you are in a position of trust, especially when it comes to something as serious as sex. If you ask a model who is only at your casting to do fashion modelling if she would like to do hardcore sex and she says NO, Morally, it should be left at that. Anything that takes place AFTER that model says NO can be considered abuse or manipulation. You/we have absolutely no idea how Woodman got Wendy to say yes, you only judge your "master" on the results.
But she had to have enjoyed what she did, she had many orgasms and scratched his back right? I want to bet every single orgasm you had in your life you enjoyed, yes? I bet everyone who reads this enjoyed theirs too, you don't have an orgasm if you're not having fun.
I've mentioned this before but I think it was before you started posting so I'll cover it again because it's important to understand before you try to judge how someone enjoys something.
A survey in America found that 22% (and that's 22% who were brave enough to admit it, the figure is probably much higher) of violent rape victims (caused by strangers) had orgasms. The women said that in some cases the orgasms they had were the most intense they had ever had. The psychological trauma was that they believed that their own bodies had let them down. They orgasmed because of the body's natural reaction to stimulation not pleasure, do you think for one second that they would actually enjoy that experience?
That's a rather dramatic example and I'm certainly not saying Woodman has raped anyone, I don't believe (hope) he ever has. But I'm just showing you that just because someone "appears" to be having fun, it doesn't necessarily mean they are. All we have is a model who does not want to do hard-core sex saying NO ON CAMERA. You do not know how Woodman got them to say yes, he might have simply talked to them (still manipulation and wrong after saying "NO" the first time) or he might have bribed them with lots of money, or he might have even threatened them, we don't know, all we do know is that she initially said NO. As for the other 47 films. How do you know he didn't blackmail her into doing them? You don't know, all you know is that she initially said NO. The only way I could see Pierre prove that no wrongdoing has been done in his castings (particularly 1998-2017) would be to produce every BTS scene on his site showing that every model agreed BEFORE he even did the initial interviews that they would do hard-core sex on his site. Not only would that completely ruin him, but as we've seen "doxxx" has been asking for these FOR YEARS and probably paid Woodman thousands in the process, but even this weekend he is still ignored. Why do you think that might be? Yes, all those suggestions are very unlikely I hear you say, but when you put the many pieces of what Pierre Woodman says, what he shows on camera, and how he treats people you begin to see things that are not quite right. That is of course only true if you haven't been blinded by one single scene that you have become obsessed with.
So, yes, in answer to your remark that " such praise is not welcome here" until you or anyone else can prove otherwise it isn't.