BlueShadow wrote:If he ever used lube ''sweetened'' by him I doubt he uses it today.
I cannot exclude that he has used it in the past in some cases.
I also remember a scene where a girl preferred to use the lube she had brought, because after using PW's she felt strange, too bad I don't remember the model's name, but must be American.
Panorama wrote:I'm not a supporter of the drug allegations. Much as though I dislike Woodman, I don't believe there is any credible evidence of this taking place.
What is "credible evidence" to you?
Do you need someone to steal a bottle of lube from gerbier and potentially jeopardize their lives, then have a police squad (who have been veified that they are not corrupt) take it to a laboratory in a police tank while you drive behind it, then have the names of all the scientists involved to make sure they aren't corrupt either, and be present when they write down their conclusions that the lube is contaminated with cocaine/quaaludes/methaqualone? Like you said many times. All of us are outsiders, so when insiders like Stacy Bloom and friends are brave enough to share their experiences then who are "we" to doubt them. It's their feelings, thoughts and personal experiences. Not everyting needs to be written in stone or it can't be deemed "credible" or true.
Panorama wrote:Show me a model who will straight out claim she was drugged, not just "claim" it on social media.
Panorama wrote:Until someone comes forward with CREDIBLE evidence, I think it is better to leave this drugged lube allegation in a jar where it belongs.
What's the difference between "straight out claiming" and claiming on social media anyways? Fact is that that there are different people from the industry that claimed (on twit, ig, forum, youtube, etc) that either their dick totally felt numb after using gerbiers lube (ricardo soli), or that immediately after their shoot with gerbier, they miracously had a epileptic seizures (stacy bloom), or all kinds of typical drug related symptoms (like hysteria, being frantic, over the moon, high/stoned, shiny eyes etc) while notmally not having that type of character traits.
This was mentioned by stacy as experienced by her personal friends kitty li and nensi fox with whom she shared apartments. Okay, you can say that ricardo soli might not be a trustworthy witness for his personal beef with gerbier, but it wouldn't be fair to disqualify stacy, kitty, nensi and other industry people throughout the years because they don't have "credible evidence". Where there's smoke there's fire. Scandals always initially start with rumour, gossip and then real life testimonies which aren't deemed "credible" initially.
Such was also the case with for instance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal (sold until '62; nobody believed the mothers initially and their misformed babies were deemed a coincidence misfortune by many doctors until they found the connection between thalidomide and the misformed babies) ; DDT is another example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT , asbestos, chromium 6 or smoking are other examples where scientists/victims raised concerns and/or tuned sick or died early but their testmonies they were initially deemed "uncredible" or "unlikely" as no causality could be proven.
Let's also see in a few years if the zika vaccin caused all the so-called zika babies like many mothers now claim:
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/arti ... rceptions/ &
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... ornia.html I wouldn't be surprised if that would be the case also.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Sav ... se_scandal (all the testomonies by children and adults were never believed because good old jimmy as britains biggest child friend who could never do such horrible things he was accused of. Initial testamonies/reports weren't deemed "credible" enough and look where we stand today....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham ... on_scandal (first reports/testomonies went back until the late 80s/early 90s; they were not seen as "credible"....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_ ... buse_cases (throughout decades and decades childrens or parents testimonies about priests/nuns and other members of the church and people of God touching children or abusing them were not deemed "credible" and look at where we stand today....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosb ... ault_cases (America's darling, mister good morals and values had reports/sexual abuse/ drugging complaints going back to the 70s, but the models were never believed and there testimonies not considered "credible" enough; I mean, who believes these scantily clad scandulous models saying their heads felt wonky after meeting the great bill cosby....well, look where we stand now: the guy admitted to use quaaludes in drinks and/or scattered on food of his victims while they weren't paying attention.
https://da.lacounty.gov/media/news/adul ... ult-counts (or Ron Jeremy being a stand-up guy, a funny "hedgehog", the posterboy american porn, who would never harm models. All the testimonies weren't initially believed and weren't seen as "credible" because there wasn't any "credible proof" and look where we are now.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_An ... in_Scandal (the queens favorite son could never do such horrible pedo stuff. He himself denied having met his main accuser Virginia Giuffre. Her testimonies weren't considered "credible". Funny how things shifted when the photo popped up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein was considered a stand-up guy too. The it man. Testimonies/reports about his pedo actvities and sexual abuse where there for years. Many testimonies were either brushed under the carpet or not deemed "credible". Look where we stand now.....
https://people.com/tv/ellen-degeneres-t ... -timeline/ (the initial testimonies of many employees about the toxic work invironment at americas darling ellen degeneres weren't deemed "credible". IMPOSSIBLE she said and she continued to deny any wrongdoings categorically. Look how that unfold.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_We ... buse_cases (victims testimonies were either initially never believed or paid off by weistein.....how many girls were paid off for wrongdoings by gerbier or paid off with illegal exclusivity/non competition verbal agreements? Well, we all know how the Weinstein case ended when more and more testimonies came out. Nobody had "credible" proof as is often the case with abuse with no witnesses or when people are "snaky" and drug girls.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Arm ... oping_casehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Oprah.html (how about lance armstong. The rumours/gossip about drug use were there throughout his career. It has always been denied, brushed under the carpet, paid off or testimonies were considered as "not credible". Journalists were called liers and sued for millions. Look at where we are now....
If we follow your reasoning then we should brush peoples testimonies under the carpet and "leave the allegations in a jar where they belong". Then everybody would've kept doing what they are doing; abuse would continue; and other people would not have the courage to stand up because people would say its hearsay or that they don't have "credible" evidence for their claims. Without the initial reports and testimonies (be it "straight out" or on social media -which is where people nowadays go to- (e.g. Lana Rhoades and Serenity Haze) none of the aforementioned scandals from the long list would come out. I don't think this is the way we should treat people who fell victim of any kind of abuse.....It's victim blaming telling their testimonies aren't legit/credible. Let's remember that they were there with gerbier. None of us. They know their friends characters and their own and how it miracously changed after a visit/meeting with gerbier. They know/saw how their friends acted and felt or how they coincidentally got a epileptic seizure themselves after right after meeting gerbier (although they don't have a medical history regarding this). It's only a coincidence that the alleged drugs in gerbiers lube which he has been accused of for years happens to cause convulsions (epileptic attacks) when overdosed. This must have happened to Stacy. C'mon. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. To much coincidences of similar strange behavior as mentioned by among others stacy after models do a scene with gerbier. Gerbier's "Chinese Anal Orgasm technique" in connection with alleged "sweetened lube" would make sense if you know that that this gunk can cause supersensitve pussy or anus when dosed correctly but can cause potentially life threatening epileptic seizures or give drug addict symptoms when OD (overdosed), which I can imagine happening when a non-professional would use/apply it when the massive amount of blood in a waterhead flows down to a tiny sized penis.
Panorama wrote:From what I can remember Stacy Bloom had mental health issues before she met Woodman. The only crime here (which is bad enough in itself) is the fact that Woodman KNEW she had these issues and yet still got her to perform as he has done with other models.
First part has been denied by stacy (see her message here above); they were gerbier's fake testimonies on his forum and stacy can probably sue him for defamation. The second part was about ruby reign. There are screenshots in this forum from gerbier where he showed a message of ruby telling she was mentally unstable when she shot a scene with gerbier. Gerbier proceeded to shoot anyway. That's gotta be illegal and a reason alone to put handcuffs on this guy.
Panorama wrote:That tells you the man's a heartless, uncaring bastard, but not a drug user.
Yeah, and derek hey, harvey weinstein, predators of the church, jimmy sevile, the guys from czech casting, girlsdoporn, french-bukkake (
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/articl ... 523_7.html) , and all the people mentioned in the list here above weren't who the early victims claimed they were....
Panorama wrote:The "numbing" didn't work very well either with Serenity Haze did it? She complained constantly when he tried to penetrate her that "it hurts" and "it burns", if he did use spiked lube around this time, he didn't use it here.
Who claimed he ALWAYS uses that? Although a guy like gerbier is lobotomized, he still has a tiny amount of brain power to know that he shouldn't mess with drugs in third world countries or THE UNITED STATES where severe punishiments for drugs offences still exist. Theoretically, in the US (where the serenity haze abuse took place) the death penality still exist for drug related crimes. Gerbier will not take the chance to go on death row and meet old sparky (the electrical chair) for messing with "dumb bitches" (aka every girl who takes money for sex gerbier's own words).
His wife is diffrent according to gerbier because she got a huge cum shot in her face and took anal pounding on camera from her then boyfriend; but gerbier forgets to say that she still got paid.
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It's wayyyyyy too dangerous to be messing with (well-informed, non-naive) american girls and drugging them. They don't mess around in the usa. Gerbier know that. That's why he will never set foot in america ever again (not to film. Not to go on vacation). There is an official report by the labor commissioner of the state of california and they established gerbier is a fucking abuser. I wouldn't be surprised gerbier is persona non grata in america.
Until gerbier gets locked up, I hope more people from the industry have the courage to speak up like Stacy Bloom has done.
We should not only warn them for the beast of Auvergne (gerbier/woodman) in general, we should also hope models will eventually either stop going to him or at least warn each other (e.g. by making sure they know that they should not leave the restaurant table or the hotel room to go to the bathroom/toilet to take a shit or piss and leave their dinner plate or drink unattended, or by warning each other to use their own lube if they still feel obilged to go to gerbier (either due to financial distress or agent/agency obligation like it was the case with jospehine
jackson who didn't know she could say NO to gerbier).
Most important part is that we shouldn't have the audacity as outsiders to ask for more "credible" evidence and therby potentially brushing valuable (future) testimonies under the carpet because models will think there horrible experiences wont be believed and don't matter anyways. As the aforementioned list of scandals has proved: you you need soldiers like Serenity Haze, Stacy Bloom, Lana Rhoades and Tommie Mcdonald to speak up agains abuse in porn. The ball will roll eventually with more people having the courage to share their testimonies but if models concerned only speak up once they have some kind of "credible" proof written in stone, then everything will stay the same.
The thing with abuse allegations is that there are many similar stories (inside and outside of porn), but physical proof is always hard to obtain. That doesn't say their testimonies aren't credible ar untrue or should be disqualified from the start. I applaud brave girls like Stacy, Tommie McDonald or Dan Leal. Nobody is too big to fail. Not even gerbier. We need these testimonies of these brave girls. Eventually they will add-up.