Why is Oliver Trunk so angry?

[TheVulture]

What's with this dude? Always twisting the girls' arms and slapping them on the back of the head during BJ. He's really young, how did he get so jaded about sex so soon into a porn career?

During the Maya/Amanda Clarke scene he grabbed Amanda's throat to the point where she did an exaggerated kind of choke sound to let him know she didn't like it. Then when he finally pulled away she looked at him in a "What the hell was that?" manner and he just looked at her blankly with dead eyes. A bit later when Maya is on her back moaning in ecstacy he puts his finger to his lips in a "Be quiet now" style. Presumably a little confused she does quieten a bit. Bloody hell. Talk about dampening down the girls' heat and lust.

What a seriously horrible dude. Presumably some Mr Anderson training in there.

Get rid of this clown and get some young guys in who like to fuck the girls.

[Starrio]

We like that stuff, I think you are in the wrong forum buddy, all your posts are the same.

[TheVulture]

We like that stuff, I think you are in the wrong forum buddy, all your posts are the same.

"We"

I don't think you speak for everyone there. Lots of different tastes on this site.

[Starrio]

It's just that every comment I have seen from you is weird like this. All this white night shit reminds me from a guy named Brandon Newton that was banned multiple times because he used to bother people with this stuff. I'm not saying he is you, but that stuff can be annoying if they repeat it over and over again.

But that goes for anyone that complains about anything, it's not about you on particular. I feel a better approach for everybody is always to ask for what you want instead of what you don't want, that way everyone is happy.

For example I don't like any of the gay shit on the site, but as long as I can't see it I don't give a fuck if someone else watches it. I just don't buy it, and to me it is fine that is there because as long as it is not in my library it's all good with me, but if it is on somebody else's library, that's their problem, not mine.

People have the right to buy whatever the fuck they want. If they want gay shit, good for them. They have their right to watch that stuff. This is acting, not real life. They are fucking, but they are also acting. It's fantasy, and everyone is old enough to perform anything they want to perform.

I'm not claiming innocence here, sometimes I do say things I may not like, but I don't annoy people about it complaining about the same stuff over and over again on every single comment.

You have to remember the context here, this is an anal site, so it makes sense people like girls being submissive, and guys being dominant. There are sites were girls are the dominant ones and that's fine too. I'm sure you can find videos like those here too.

[Starrio]

There are sites for that stuff. LP is mostly about hardcore top level anal penetration, and that's why they try to appeal to their bigger base, but there are other sites that are a lot softer.

[Starrio]

I wouldn't say is misogynistic to dominate a woman sexually just like it isn't feminist to have a woman dominatrix. It's just sex and people have their preferences.

Gay people do it all the time, lesbians too, it isn't a genre thing, at all.

The more people buy videos where the girl is getting dominated the more videos like that they are going to make, and vice versa because this is a business, and it's about money. So it makes sense they make that style more since it sells better.

But other forms of sex like just barebones anal can still sell, so that's why you see some of that too, but because many LP sites sell individual videos it makes sense to try to produce what is going to sell more.

In membership based sites you can see more of that barebones stuff because the financial model allows them to do that. So for example if you are subscribed to Porn World you may see more of that, and only on occasions you will see what people are willing to pay for individually.

[TheVulture]

You have to remember the context here, this is an anal site, so it makes sense people like girls being submissive, and guys being dominant.

I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. Why can't you have hard anal porn without the girl(s) being submissive?

You do this in every thread like this that you get involved with....confuse/conflate hard sex with rough sex. I think you do it deliberately because your preference is for rough stuff in every scene and you're concerned that every request like mine might result in zero rough scenes. I'm not asking for that, just that not every scene have default rough stuff, which sadly the majority of LP scenes do.

[TheVulture]

There are sites for that stuff. LP is mostly about hardcore top level anal penetration, and that's why they try to appeal to their bigger base, but there are other sites that are a lot softer.

Again, I don't want softer. I want less rough.

Again, a textbook case of you conflating hard sex with rough sex.

[Starrio]

I already explained because it sells.

I understand what you mean by rough and hard.

What you don't understand is that even though they are different, it is expected that they go hand in hand because people that like one usually likes the other.

I'm not saying all the costumers are the same. Obviously some don't, but the site will always favor the majority.

The good thing is that the Internet has plenty for everyone, so I really don't understand why the need of complaining

If I don't like gay porn, I'm not going to go to gay site to complaint about it. That's just ridiculous, I would just God somewhere else where they have what I like.

[TheVulture]

The good thing is that the Internet has plenty for everyone

It really doesn't. Name me one site other than LP where you can get hard anal action that isn't rough. There isn't one. LP is actually better than most in this regard.

There is really very little content these days for people who like hard anal action that isn't rough. I completely accept that there will always be a market for porn that is both hard and rough but what I don't like is the rough element being needlessly brought into scenes that don't really warrant it.

[tavelsesquin]

Don't know why, but I hope he never stop. Why do people click on "hard screaming anal destruction!" and then complain that the actors aren't being polite and gentle?

[TheVulture]

Why do people click on "hard screaming anal destruction!" and then complain that the actors aren't being polite and gentle?

Again, maybe because they can differentiate between hard and rough sex?

[InsideA41YearOldGirl]

That is being jaded about sex, that is about having a kink.

[Gagandrim]

It really doesn't. Name me one site other than LP where you can get hard anal action that isn't rough. There isn't one. LP is actually better than most in this regard.

There is really very little content these days for people who like hard anal action that isn't rough. I completely accept that there will always be a market for porn that is both hard and rough but what I don't like is the rough element being needlessly brought into scenes that don't really warrant it.

Maybe Evil Angel?

[TheVulture]

Maybe Evil Angel?

Evil Angel for me is way more male dom heavy than LP. That's because you mostly have American girls, who are incredibly submissive. Trunk's style is actually more akin to EA - he reminds me of Marcus Dupree or Chris Diamond or whoever and he would be very well suited there.

The good thing about LP is that you have a lot of scenes that don't have male dom style aggression, these being the ones that I buy. I don't mind Trunk doing his male dom thing but he's one of the worst offenders at doing it in scenes and with girls where it doesn't seem to fit (as per the example I cited).

[Starrio]

Male dom as you call it fits with every scene and every girl. They do it because they want to sell videos. You can't blame them for that. I'm sure there are sites that don't do that. There has to be. I would recommend one, but I don't know many porn sites.

[TheVulture]

Male dom as you call it fits with every scene and every girl. They do it because they want to sell videos.

What do you mean by this? That every girl in porn wants to take part in scenes with manhandle?

Who are "they"? VK? The girls in their scenes? The guys?

This is vague stuff you're coming out with here. We get that you like manhandle but you're not really addressing the point of why Trunk thinks it fits every scene he's in or why he did it in the one I mentioned where the girls didn't like it.

[Starrio]

Porn is work too, so some girls may not do that, others will. Just like some girls will do anal and others don't. In terms of LP because it is not subscription based the goal is to sell videos, so they are going to find the girls willing to do those type of scenes because they sell.

[TheVulture]

Porn is work too, so some girls may not do that, others will. Just like some girls will do anal and others don't. In terms of LP because it is not subscription based the goal is to sell videos, so they are going to find the girls willing to do those type of scenes because they sell.

The goal is to sell videos, sure. I think we all get that.

And the only way to sell videos is to put manhandle in every scene? Is this what you're saying?

And to put it in scenes where the girls clearly don't like it (as per the one I highlighted here)?

Are you ever going to specifically address Trunk or this scene I highlighted or is evading that with vague commentary part of the point?

[Starrio]

It just sells more. They can sell scenes without that, but those sell more yes.

The girls I like to see manhandle more is Iris Kiss Kiss and Queenlin.

They are just working, work is work. Also manhandle looks uncomfortable, that's the whole point, but it doesn't mean they don't like it. They don't have to like it, just be ok with it, again it's just work, but they can like it too.

[TheVulture]

They are just working, work is work.

That's the crux of the point though. You're setting the bar too low. If you're going to make volcanic porn then it can't just be work for the girls, they have to be really into it. For most people work is dull and tedious - if you reduce porn to this for girls then you're making a sub-standard product. Yes it might sell to a niche audience but it isn't really a long-term winning formula.

[TheVulture]

It's your whole attitude to porn that explains why we like different styles. You see the girls as worker bees who need to tick boxes and go outside of their comfort zone to fulfill your personal needs, whereas I see myself more as a lucky voyeur peeking into their wild lustful universe. Trunk is obviously tailor-made for you but can never do anything for me.

[Jocke]

I think they are running out of ideas. It is quite typical of frustration. These guys are not really horny, they go to work and they do the same over and over and lose interest. That is when you see the shift to stupid violence.
If you love women you do not beat them. A light smack on the butt sure, but twisting arms has nothing to do with sex, it is just a guy who doesn't know how to please women.
And, no it doesn't sell more, it just shifts audience to sadists.

[dap-addict]

What's with this dude? Always twisting the girls' arms and slapping them on the back of the head during BJ. He's really young, how did he get so jaded about sex so soon into a porn career?

First of all he is not doing this always.
Second, with Oliver Trunk its clearly to cover up his smallish dick and more so his wood problems.
He looks young and pretty good and is thus booked quite often but he can't really fuck the girls hard because he's often not hard. Heard countless stories of girls and all the crew waiting for him to get ready to fuck again.


Another factor is work indeed, but its a minor factor in Oliver Trunks case. Not many guys can do this job and so choice for studios is really limited. And young handsome looking guys like Oliver Trunk have a bonus. With such limited choice work just really turns more into routine and directors dont even dare to demand some passion (be it real of faked) because they have to be happy to have some studs to shoot at all. Just look at the studs pool to choose from in Russia vs. in Czech. And no its not only about missing BBC for once!

[Starrio]

Manhandle is an element of good porn, but I do agree balls deep is most important. Balls deep should be standard on anal specially if the guy isn't that big to begin with. It's nice to see the guys manhandling the girls, and the girls putting the extra work, but if they aren't getting deeply penetrated then the manhandle isn't enough to compensate. That said, more manhandle is always welcomed, just don't skip the balls deep penetration.

[TheVulture]

First of all he is not doing this always.
Second, with Oliver Trunk its clearly to cover up his smallish dick and more so his wood problems.
He looks young and pretty good and is thus booked quite often but he can't really fuck the girls hard because he's often not hard. Heard countless stories of girls and all the crew waiting for him to get ready to fuck again.

Another factor is work indeed, but its a minor factor in Oliver Trunks case. Not many guys can do this job and so choice for studios is really limited. And young handsome looking guys like Oliver Trunk have a bonus. With such limited choice work just really turns more into routine and directors dont even dare to demand some passion (be it real of faked) because they have to be happy to have some studs to shoot at all. Just look at the studs pool to choose from in Russia vs. in Czech. And no its not only about missing BBC for once!

Well you're not making a very good case for the defence here, are you?

The most important factor that you're all missing here is that both Amanda Clarke (especially) and Maya didn't like his actions in that scene. Therefore he basically destroyed a scene for the sake of his own ego and enjoyment. That's totally unacceptable, isn't it?

[dap-addict]

What case of mine?
Oliver Trunk in normal circumstances would be totally unacceptable because he can't fuck on set, he can't keep hard to work fine. Angry behavior is used to compensate and put focus somewhere else than his lame and limp fucking.

[TheVulture]

What case of mine?
Oliver Trunk in normal circumstances would be totally unacceptable because he can't fuck on set, he can't keep hard to work fine. Angry behavior is used to compensate and put focus somewhere else than his lame and limp fucking.

That explains it from a practical point of view on his part but why do the producers allow it? They're obviously complicit in being fine with him doing that. Shouldn't they be moving him along and finding studs who can fuck well without stinking up the screen with angry rubbish?

[Starrio]

It sucks because this thread was initiated because of Vultures ridiculous political agenda, and then it turned into an actual argument why balls deep is more important than manhandle, and yes balls deep is more important than manhandle, but manhandle can still be good as long as balls deep is already present which is the most important part.

[TheVulture]

It sucks because this thread was initiated because of Vultures ridiculous political agenda

Really?

Not simply because I was annoyed with Oliver Trunk's actions in that scene in particular and in others?

A "political" agenda. Wow.

I will say that in some ways I find the whole manhandle porn thing to be a by-product of a very right wing world in which free market economics run wild and control of porn production is pretty much entirely in the hands of men producing porn for men with the female performers in many ways subjugated and reduced to nothing more than disposable playthings with little or no genuine choice as to the tone or nature of scenes in which they perform. In a more balanced world with more communal ownership and mixed sex porn production (ie more female input at the top levels) I think you would expect to see much less of that stuff. That said, none of that makes inevitable the actions of actors like Trunk in every conceivable scene (the key point here) or explains the fact that very many scenes on LP happily do not pander purely to the demographic of angry men who like to see women put physically "in their place" (and in some cases even causing them distress).

In other words, even in a male dominant, neoliberal world there is a place and a demand for consensual/non-aggressive hardcore porn.

So there you go. I've thrown you a bone, because I'm good like that. But I think anyone in their right mind can see that I was raising a very specific point about 1 performer and why he is allowed to get away with this stuff. You don't have to be in the slightest bit "political" to watch him and think he's out of order and spoiling the scenes he's in.

[dap-addict]

What case of mine?
Oliver Trunk in normal circumstances would be totally unacceptable because he can't fuck on set, he can't keep hard to work fine. Angry behavior is used to compensate and put focus somewhere else than his lame and limp fucking.

That explains it from a practical point of view on his part but why do the producers allow it? They're obviously complicit in being fine with him doing that. Shouldn't they be moving him along and finding studs who can fuck well without stinking up the screen with angry rubbish?

1) Producers allow it because he is handsome and they think scenes sell better with him featured.
2) There is no complicity lest that producers accept all kinds of behavior from everybody (also the girls ofc) they work with.
3) If they start looking really seriously for better studs their production slows down. Also see 1)

This said, if I was the producer I would kick him out.
Maybe with a return option after he has coped with his wood issues during a porn performing break. This did wonders for some GIO studs few months.

[Starrio]

I will say that in some ways I find the whole manhandle porn thing to be a by-product of a very right wing world in which free market economics run wild and control of porn production is pretty much entirely in the hands of men producing porn for men with the female performers in many ways subjugated and reduced to nothing more than disposable playthings with little or no genuine choice as to the tone or nature of scenes in which they perform.

See ^^^ agenda

A normal person would realize sex is sex and it has no political meaning.

It doesn't matter if they are women, men, travesties, transexuals, bisexuals, sex is sex and there is nothing political about manhandle.

It sucks that I have to repeat the same thing, but that's the case here.

Some people actually don't like manhandle and I respect that, but knowing you, and knowing how you talk I know that's not the case with you, you don't like it because of your politics, not because is a type of sex you don't like.

I respect people that do don't like manhandle just because they don't like it, that's different

For example I don't like when men talk trash to women. Like when they verbally abuse them. Some men like that stuff, I don't, but I don't like it because it doesn't turn me on, it doesn't do anything for me, it actually does the opposite, not because some political nonsense.

So if an actor is verbally insulting the girl I dislike it. But if he slaps her, that I like. Neither of those things are wrong is just sex. Just like penetrating her isn't wrong. It's ok to penetrate women, there is nothing wrong with that.

You make it sound as if they are raping the women. If they were raping the women then they would be in jail.

That's the difference and is so easy to understand, but you make it political and try to make it sound as if is OK to fuck the women in the ass, but slapping her is not OK. Do you hear yourself? It's ridiculous stuff.

Slapping a women, fucking her in the ass, bend her over in any way, pissing on her face, all these things are bad if they are forced, but here we are talking about consenting adults doing a performance. It's not the same thing at all.

[dap-addict]

Looks like this thread got out of hand because of your bilateral fight.
Anyway, let me just try to point out to some important basics risen here by Starrio - ideally I can guide this thread back on track and away from politics:

You (Vulture) make it sound as if they are raping the women. If they were raping the women then they would be in jail.

That's the difference and is so easy to understand, but you make it political and try to make it sound as if is OK to fuck the women in the ass, but slapping her is not OK. Do you hear yourself? It's ridiculous stuff.

Slapping a women, fucking her in the ass, bend her over in any way, pissing on her face, all these things are bad if they are forced, but here we are talking about consenting adults doing a performance. It's not the same thing at all.

[Starrio]

I doubt that's enough for Vulture to understand.

People like Vulture think using force and being forced are the same thing.

[TheVulture]

but here we are talking about consenting adults doing a performance.

Except we're not. Read my original post again. We're talking about a porn actor unilaterally deciding to do things that the 2 girls in the scene didn't like (and therefore presumably did not consent to). For some reason you always struggle to comprehend the specifics of my commentary and then ironically accuse me of having a wider agenda.

It seems to me that it is you that have the wider agenda, namely defending male LP performers and producers at all costs.

[Starrio]

Except we're not. Read my original post again. We're talking about a porn actor unilaterally deciding to do things that the 2 girls in the scene didn't like (and therefore presumably did not consent to).

That stuff is fiction, it's not real. That's were your brain draws the line I believe that's your limit.

[dap-addict]

Except we're not. Read my original post again. We're talking about a porn actor unilaterally deciding to do things that the 2 girls in the scene didn't like (and therefore presumably did not consent to).

That stuff is fiction, it's not real. That's were your brain draws the line I believe that's your limit.

Your presumption might be wrong though.
Girls know with whom they work and how they behave on set.
Once she agrees to perform with the given set of actors she's calculating there might be things happening she doesnt like maybe. But its her job, she wants to earn that money etc. Thus she takes also some disadvantages, otherwise she could just have a free day, go swimming or to the library, stay in bed with her BF etc.
Is it fiction? Yes and no. Fiction is what is shot, but the slaps she doenst like are happening for real. And yes, the video produced would be hotter if only things both girls like would happen.
BUT reality isn't ideal usually, girls need money, studs need the money as well, same with cameraman and MU of the studio, all of them may have better things to do IF money would grow on trees, but since it doesnt they have to work.

[Starrio]

H just doesn't understand that girls already agree with everything before hand.

The actor cannot piss on her face or slap her unless she agrees with that before hand.

That's like the oldest thing in porn history, asking the girl what she can do, and what she doesn't want to do.

The way Vulture brain works is that performers just want cocks shoved in their ass, and that's why they are in porn, then someone shoots that and sells it. That's how backwards he thinks about this stuff.