Is it true the studio doesn't get money after 14 days?

[Starrio]

I have bought many videos from this studio including Emily Pink, Natasha Teen, Min Galilea, Valentina Milan, Addy Queen, Melany Diazz, Lia Ponce, Daniela Ortiz, Alicia Trece.

And I heard that maybe it didn't matter because I bought them too late, usually after two weeks of release, sometimes a month.

I hope that's not the case because I was really trying to support the studio, and hearing that is heartbreaking.

[avanfurwet]

I have bought many videos from this studio including Emily Pink, Natasha Teen, Min Galilea, Valentina Milan, Addy Queen, Melany Diazz, Lia Ponce, Daniela Ortiz, Alicia Trece.

And I heard that maybe it didn't matter because I bought them too late, usually after two weeks of release, sometimes a month.

I hope that's not the case because I was really trying to support the studio, and hearing that is heartbreaking.

Florane answered here

[xxx]

I have bought many videos from this studio including Emily Pink, Natasha Teen, Min Galilea, Valentina Milan, Addy Queen, Melany Diazz, Lia Ponce, Daniela Ortiz, Alicia Trece.

And I heard that maybe it didn't matter because I bought them too late, usually after two weeks of release, sometimes a month.

I hope that's not the case because I was really trying to support the studio, and hearing that is heartbreaking.

That is not true, lifetime sales are used to determine how much to pay after a shorter period of time.

If you understand the system, you might think that later sales have less importance but that is also wrong, because, since there are less sales, your purchases have more weight in the algorithm.

Bottom line : all sales matter a lot.

[Starrio]

If this was a scenario like the movie "Tenet" by Christopher Nolan then that would be totally fine with me.

However thank you for the explanation, that also clarifies for others.

I received that explanation on another thread a while back after I asked here, so it is good people can see it here too.

[avanfurwet]

Starrio quote is from another thread here

What the studios don't understand is that they are basically playing casino, Pornbox is like the house and the studios are the costumers playing Blackjack.

The studios are happy with the arrangement for various reason:

- Sometimes they win, meaning the house gives them more money than the scene would probably sell within a given time realistically down the future

- They don't have to suffer those loses when a scene doesn't sell as much in the future because Pornbox took that risk already by accepting the deal

- They get a chance to receive a large amount of money right away without having to wait patiently for customers in the upcoming years to consider buying the scene

- Having the money now is something everyone likes specially if you have told yourself you need the money now to keep producing more content

In real life this is how casinos trap their costumers to keep coming back, sometimes the casino loses big time, and the players win big time, and that is very satisfying for the player.

This is why the players that play the most have more chances to see those wins, and if they keep doing it for awhile they basically become addicts.

It is a good incentive because it motivates them to keep putting content or keep playing, and some play a lot, but that's also how much they lose too.

What the players don't see is the insane amount of money the casino is making of them. The casino doesn't have to do any significant work other than maintenance of their installations, and still is making all that cash.

The costumers are the ones that have to go to work everyday to make that money, and all the casino has to do is put out a table to take part of that money from them.

If the customers really knew the numbers maybe their addictions would go away, but because they become addicts they don't want to know.

They say the casino has to make their money too.

Now the big difference is that if a player is also the casino owner he can go play as much as he wants and it doesn't matter because he is winning money either way if he also owns the casino.

The problem is only for those that don't own the casino, but I guess their excuse is that Pornbox is putting their work offered to a certain clientele that was build already overtime as opposed of them doing it themselves without nobody knowing them, which to be fair is very valuable.

So in other words the value they see is the convenience and the exposure, or publicity, but it doesn't make it more digestible how much they actually lose as well.

In a simplified example for illustration, what if a producer of porn scenes had the possibility to sell their scene to one of 2 dominant clipstores?

- Clipstore A offers a single defined payment, whether on day 1, day 14, or any other timescale.

- Clipstore B offers continuing revenue share of some percentage of sales, paid periodically.

Question: Which offer does the producer take? Clipstore A or clipstore B?

Answer: We don't know because we don't know any numbers and even if we did, the future is uncertain.

Both the clipstores and the producer face multiple business risks and have to make the best choices they can.

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Real life is much more complex than this simplified example and all producers and clipstores face many more choices about how to trade.

IMO the clipstore is nothing like a "casino" and the producer is nothing like an "addicted gambler".

The clipstore is more like a department store and the producers may sell to the department store, or take the risk and reward of selling their goods elsewhere.

The main difference is that the small porn producers can be much nimbler in entering or exiting the market, or changing allegiences to sell through other channels.

But the clipstore proprietor has invested in rearing a much bigger slower animal which needs to be fed continually.

So if anyone imagines that building, operating and maintaining a clipstore (or a department store or a casino) is so easy that all the owner has to do is sit back and collect the cash, then why not borrow some millions from the banks eager to fund your guaranteed succcessful business idea and you can retire immediately to your holiday island?

[Giorgio Grandi]

Starrio quote is from another thread here

What the studios don't understand is that they are basically playing casino, Pornbox is like the house and the studios are the costumers playing Blackjack.

The studios are happy with the arrangement for various reason:

- Sometimes they win, meaning the house gives them more money than the scene would probably sell within a given time realistically down the future

- They don't have to suffer those loses when a scene doesn't sell as much in the future because Pornbox took that risk already by accepting the deal

- They get a chance to receive a large amount of money right away without having to wait patiently for customers in the upcoming years to consider buying the scene

- Having the money now is something everyone likes specially if you have told yourself you need the money now to keep producing more content

In real life this is how casinos trap their costumers to keep coming back, sometimes the casino loses big time, and the players win big time, and that is very satisfying for the player.

This is why the players that play the most have more chances to see those wins, and if they keep doing it for awhile they basically become addicts.

It is a good incentive because it motivates them to keep putting content or keep playing, and some play a lot, but that's also how much they lose too.

What the players don't see is the insane amount of money the casino is making of them. The casino doesn't have to do any significant work other than maintenance of their installations, and still is making all that cash.

The costumers are the ones that have to go to work everyday to make that money, and all the casino has to do is put out a table to take part of that money from them.

If the customers really knew the numbers maybe their addictions would go away, but because they become addicts they don't want to know.

They say the casino has to make their money too.

Now the big difference is that if a player is also the casino owner he can go play as much as he wants and it doesn't matter because he is winning money either way if he also owns the casino.

The problem is only for those that don't own the casino, but I guess their excuse is that Pornbox is putting their work offered to a certain clientele that was build already overtime as opposed of them doing it themselves without nobody knowing them, which to be fair is very valuable.

So in other words the value they see is the convenience and the exposure, or publicity, but it doesn't make it more digestible how much they actually lose as well.

In a simplified example for illustration, what if a producer of porn scenes had the possibility to sell their scene to one of 2 dominant clipstores?

- Clipstore A offers a single defined payment, whether on day 1, day 14, or any other timescale.

- Clipstore B offers continuing revenue share of some percentage of sales, paid periodically.

Question: Which offer does the producer take? Clipstore A or clipstore B?

Answer: We don't know because we don't know any numbers and even if we did, the future is uncertain.

Both the clipstores and the producer face multiple business risks and have to make the best choices they can.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Real life is much more complex than this simplified example and all producers and clipstores face many more choices about how to trade.

IMO the clipstore is nothing like a "casino" and the producer is nothing like an "addicted gambler".

The clipstore is more like a department store and the producers may sell to the department store, or take the risk and reward of selling their goods elsewhere.

The main difference is that the small porn producers can be much nimbler in entering or exiting the market, or changing allegiences to sell through other channels.

But the clipstore proprietor has invested in rearing a much bigger slower animal which needs to be fed continually.

So if anyone imagines that building, operating and maintaining a clipstore (or a department store or a casino) is so easy that all the owner has to do is sit back and collect the cash, then why not borrow some millions from the banks eager to fund your guaranteed succcessful business idea and you can retire immediately to your holiday island?

You miss the big part of the puzzle

[Starrio]

You miss the big part of the puzzle

I agree with Giorgio here. we probably both did, only he knows.

[avanfurwet]

You miss the big part of the puzzle

OK, and what is the big part of the puzzle?

[xxx]

Listen. We NEVER design anything that's not fair. Services that rip-off people are not meant to last and we are here for the long game.

If you think you are smart and caught something unfair, you are missing something, and we may not want to explain why for good reasons.

[avanfurwet]

Nobody owes us any public explanation of their internal business processes. But whenever anyone from the studios or Pornbox teases the forum with glimpses about this, obviously it sets hares running.

IMO most forum posters only care about what scenes are available at what ticket prices, and always find plenty to discuss about both.

[Starrio]

I don't think you should take it with him, I think he is just a moderator, I don't the think he knows, maybe he has a decent idea at best, and even that could be something they told him
The ones that probably know are the producers like GIO and such.

Personally after having all these discussions I imagine the system isn't as fucked up as they make it seem. The reason why I believe this is because some girls like Susan Ayn and the Dellai Twins have come back after being gone for while, which in my mind it means their stuff was still selling, and that's why they were back.

There are so many new girls wanting to do porn that if a girl that has retired already comes back like that means that she is a top seller, and those sales were TaleSpin into consideration after she was gone, which means the system is actually good, but that's just my guess.

[stevemcgee3]

I wonder about the types of consumers here. Some fellas, like me, slowly aquire a model's collection over time. Rarely do I use all of my tickets on one or two models. I prefer variety. Others, it seems, may purchase an entire model's collection at once. Yet others can hold onto their tickets for a month and wait to buy new scenes immediately after release. My tickets are usually spent within a day or two. My wishlist is many pages long.

Anyway, I imagine the scenes of certain models will continue to sell well into the future. I imagine Arwen scenes are still selling. Even the 720p ones. As long as there is control of the content many scenes will continue to sell for decades. Guys will be jerking-off to Veronica Leal scenes for thousands of years. They probably know about her on other planets.

Unlike gambling the risk here is minimal. With sreenshots and the trailer I know what to expect, rarely am I disappointed by a scene