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Here is another change that will be very controversial : I'm not going to finance any more cream scenes.

We now have about 2 years of data and it is clear that cream scenes don't perform as well as other types of scenes. Any one can see this easily with only 3 of them in the top 75 scenes, and none near the top, despite the fact the selection of girls for these scenes was often the very best.

Anal is a relatively small niche, but anal cream is microscopic. We simply can't provide content for every niche out there, so we have to focus on what the majority of our users want to buy.

This change affects only the gonzo.com production. I'm sure you can expect a lot more "kreme" from Sineplex, either on this site, or others.

xxx wrote:Here is another change that will be very controversial : I'm not going to finance any more cream scenes.

We now have about 2 years of data and it is clear that cream scenes don't perform as well as other types of scenes. Any one can see this easily with only 3 of them in the top 75 scenes, and none near the top, despite the fact the selection of girls for these scenes was often the very best.

Anal is a relatively small niche, but anal cream is microscopic. We simply can't provide content for every niche out there, so we have to focus on what the majority of our users want to buy.

This change affects only the gonzo.com production. I'm sure you can expect a lot more "kreme" from Sineplex, either on this site, or others.

are u kidding xxx,anal small niche?and what next?only pussy fucking with condom on LP?

klapphatt wrote:are u kidding xxx,anal small niche?and what next?only pussy fucking with condom on LP?

I guess this is what it will come down to sooner or later, it's pretty obvious that they don't care about quality anymore, xxx decided to take the path towards mainstream since his decisions are not passion driven but purely economic.

Bye then

Good news for me, I've always thought they were shit, completely ruins gape shots and the flow of a scene.

eknbb2 wrote:

klapphatt wrote:are u kidding xxx,anal small niche?and what next?only pussy fucking with condom on LP?

I guess this is what it will come down to sooner or later, it's pretty obvious that they don't care about quality anymore, xxx decided to take the path towards mainstream since his decisions are not passion driven but purely economic.

What a load of nonsense, this company puts out consistently great content compared to most. Maybe you should try starting a business where your decisions are driven on passion alone, ignoring the basic principles of recouping costs and making a profit, see how long it takes before the bank comes knocking. How much clearer can the guy be, they're not selling well, what you're passionate about him producing is inconsequential if not enough people are buying it.

The last cream scene that LP released was on 8/19, which was more than two weeks ago. The one before that was nearly a week prior. I bought both of them. Since the best-selling scenes are usually the ones that have been released the most recently, could it be that the cream scenes are not selling well because you're not releasing as many of them as you used to? How can people buy scenes that aren't there?

You mentioned in another thread that you had four cream scenes that were scheduled to be released this week. As of yet, none of them have appeared on the site. I'm looking forward to seeing them, given that the girls are hot and I like the guys in them. Do you think that you should post those scenes and see how well they do before deciding to no longer do cream scenes? This decision seems very abrupt and unreasonable, especially since there are probably other factors attributing to why they're not selling well such as, again, you hardly releasing them anymore.

Cream is probably my favorite thing on this site. So I don't want to see it discontinued. I think doing so would be a mistake. First, you introduce condoms to the site. Now you're telling us that there will be no more cream when I'm sure you know that LP is the only site that shoots the cream fetish. Are you deliberately trying to tame down the site to make it appeal to more mainstream audiences? You seem to be deliberately trying to take this site in a direction that a lot of us who have been loyal to this site do not want to see it go.

That's an aggravating news. LP is pretty much the only provider of such scenes. It'd be nice to know whether the new Sineplex scenes are going to be distributed here or not.
I don't really get the "anal is a small niche" though. I mean, really ? I'm not even sure that, in the wonderful world of porn, it qualifies as a niche. Kreme is definitely one, but one with true and dedicated fans.
So what about now for us, cream aficionados ? Should we start our own production with our beloved fetish ?

Tedrow wrote:That's an aggravating news. LP is pretty much the only provider of such scenes. It'd be nice to know whether the new Sineplex scenes are going to be distributed here or not.
I don't really get the "anal is a small niche" though. I mean, really ? I'm not even sure that, in the wonderful world of porn, it qualifies as a niche. Kreme is definitely one, but one with true and dedicated fans.
So what about now for us, cream aficionados ? Should we start our own production with our beloved fetish ?

join Evilangel,i did.Jay Sin still make cream stuff

You make false assumptions as usual. I considered all cream scenes from the beginning, and the scenes with the most sales are naturally the oldest ones. You only have to open the top 100 and you can see for yourself.

You assume that everything was better before those few condom scenes. What if I tell you that there are a bunch of "first" scenes with top girls out there with condom that you never even got to see, that you never even heard of? You think it was better? What about all the girls who did 1 scene and disappeared forever? Better to have nothing?

All these changes are the results of months of reflection. I would probably keep producing them, as I keep producing curvy girls at a loss - members seem not to like them much - if I liked cream scenes but unfortunately for the cream lovers they are un-watchable for me, and selling less than other types of scene. For the past couple of years the cream scenes were carried by Sineplex who strongly believes in the value of this fetish. He picked the best girls, but never reached top sales with them. At least during the Prague era. I can't speak for earlier times.

Of those 4 scenes I talked about, 1 was done, other 2 or so were cancelled due to a foreign girl testing positive before coming, and I will cancel the last one.

For me, the reason your cream scenes aren't popular is because they are no where near the quality they were back around the 2009-2011 era. The girls are afraid to catch the cream with their mouths, and if they happen to, they immediately spit it out. That's not the way it used to be...

Take a good look at Jay Sin's Cream Dreams 1&2 if you want to see how these scenes should be shot. The girls catch the cream with their mouth, and eat it, and enjoy doing so. That's the way cream scenes were meant to be. That's the way scenes from 2009-2011 were done too.

realtip wrote:Cream is probably my favorite thing on this site. So I don't want to see it discontinued. I think doing so would be a mistake. First, you introduce condoms to the site. Now you're telling us that there will be no more cream when I'm sure you know that LP is the only site that shoots the cream fetish. Are you deliberately trying to tame down the site to make it appeal to more mainstream audiences? You seem to be deliberately trying to take this site in a direction that a lot of us who have been loyal to this site do not want to see it go.

What's this? You seem to be complaining about LP abandoning its traditional formula. How ironic!

Well I saw this coming, so I'm not going to act like I'm surprised. Of course I'm disappointed, but at the same time I appreciate your candour.

Does not bother me. I was always a bit sad when the update was kreme scene. But of course i feel the guys who like this stuff.

xxx wrote:You make false assumptions as usual. I considered all cream scenes from the beginning, and the scenes with the most sales are naturally the oldest ones. You only have to open the top 100 and you can see for yourself.

You assume that everything was better before those few condom scenes. What if I tell you that there are a bunch of "first" scenes with top girls out there with condom that you never even got to see, that you never even heard of? You think it was better? What about all the girls who did 1 scene and disappeared forever? Better to have nothing?

All these changes are the results of months of reflection. I would probably keep producing them, as I keep producing curvy girls at a loss - members seem not to like them much - if I liked cream scenes but unfortunately for the cream lovers they are un-watchable for me, and selling less than other types of scene. For the past couple of years the cream scenes were carried by Sineplex who strongly believes in the value of this fetish. He picked the best girls, but never reached top sales with them. At least during the Prague era. I can't speak for earlier times.

Of those 4 scenes I talked about, 1 was done, other 2 or so were cancelled due to a foreign girl testing positive before coming, and I will cancel the last one.

I looked at the wrong section at first. My mistake. I did go to look at the best-selling scenes, and there are some cream scenes in there. Even if they're not selling as much as the other scenes, people are still buying them. If you can continue shooting condom scenes at a loss (you said yourself that the point is not to sell them), then why is it all about being the top-sellers when it comes to the cream scenes? Certainly, the cream scenes are selling better than the condom scenes.

You also mention that the cream scenes are "un-watchable" for you. I know you're the owner of the site. As owner, it makes sense that you would produce those things that you like. But in that case, the only people who will be buying scenes are the ones who share the same preferences as you. It's like you're giving a big "Fuck You" to the rest of us who do like it, and who do buy the scenes. You've provided us with content that we enjoy, and now you've suddenly decided that you're not going to provide it anymore. Is what we like just irrelevant now? Does all the money I've spent here buying cream scenes and other scenes not matter anymore? That's the message you appear to be sending.

Also, will that one cream scene that was already produced still be released, along with the other unreleased cream scenes, or are you not releasing the cream scenes that you've already shot either?

gapefan wrote:For me, the reason your cream scenes aren't popular is because they are no where near the quality they were back around the 2009-2011 era. The girls are afraid to catch the cream with their mouths, and if they happen to, they immediately spit it out. That's not the way it used to be.

I've noticed this also. The older cream scenes would have the girls shooting cream from their asses into the other girls' faces and mouths, whereas the newer scenes just show the girls shooting cream into the air. Could this possibly be one reason that sales have declined?

Tastes Like Ass wrote:What's this? You seem to be complaining about LP abandoning its traditional formula. How ironic!

I'm complaining about LP abandoning content that I like. This would only be "ironic" if I ever asked LP to stop shooting content that others like, which I have never done. If a site is already providing content, then I think it's wrong to just stop providing that content when there are loyal members who enjoy seeing it. There is no irony here.

xxx wrote:All these changes are the results of months of reflection. I would probably keep producing them, as I keep producing curvy girls at a loss - members seem not to like them much - if I liked cream scenes but unfortunately for the cream lovers they are un-watchable for me

To be honest abandoing cream scenes doesnt affect me.
But let me still ask you xxx, what do you enjoy to watch in porn than? Anal? DAP? DPP? Creampies? Condom-ized ATM? Just trying to forsee future changes...

dap-addict wrote:But let me still ask you xxx, what do you enjoy to watch in porn than? Anal? DAP? DPP? Creampies? Condom-ized ATM?

Judging by most of the scenes that have been released since the Sineplex/Gonzo split, I don't think he's a big fan of any type of ATM (with condoms or not). It seems to have all but vanished.

Oh well, maybe once Sineplex gets up and running, they'll throw in some ATM amidst all the gape farting stuff.

gapefan wrote:For me, the reason your cream scenes aren't popular is because they are no where near the quality they were back around the 2009-2011 era. The girls are afraid to catch the cream with their mouths, and if they happen to, they immediately spit it out. That's not the way it used to be.

realtip wrote:I've noticed this also. The older cream scenes would have the girls shooting cream from their asses into the other girls' faces and mouths, whereas the newer scenes just show the girls shooting cream into the air. Could this possibly be one reason that sales have declined?

Are you both just disregarding these in the point you're making ?

http://legalporno.com/watch/28274/meg_magic_samantha_joons_anal_cream_enema_sz478

http://legalporno.com/watch/28396/maria_fiori_samantha_joons_kreme_enema_sz514

realtip wrote:You also mention that the cream scenes are "un-watchable" for you. I know you're the owner of the site. As owner, it makes sense that you would produce those things that you like. But in that case, the only people who will be buying scenes are the ones who share the same preferences as you. It's like you're giving a big "Fuck You" to the rest of us who do like it, and who do buy the scenes. You've provided us with content that we enjoy, and now you've suddenly decided that you're not going to provide it anymore. Is what we like just irrelevant now? Does all the money I've spent here buying cream scenes and other scenes not matter anymore? That's the message you appear to be sending.

I understand people who enjoy this stuff are going to be upset but it's hardly a "fuck you" is it. Would it be any different than me claiming that your request to keep producing them, despite the poor sales, is a fuck you to him ? I don't think his point about personally disliking them has any correlation with only catering to people who share his preferences either. There's no real argument against what's lead to this decision, 2 years of data and a very poor representation in the best sellers list have clearly shown him that it's not worth the investment costs.

The butthurt in this thread is glorious.

1) Sineplex will still be producing cream scenes.
2) XXX never liked cream scenes anyway. That has been common knowledge for over a year.

Laughing so hard right now.

Some confirmation as to whether Sineplex will be releasing their scenes on LP would be good. If Sineplex scenes are still available here not a lot will have changed. Before Gonzo, there were multiple studios on this site with only Sineplex releasing cream scenes. If Sineplex stays it'll be the same as before just with an extra studio with no cream. But if Sineplex goes elsewhere I'll be following them.

Can't say i am all that bothered, i bought a few only because they had girls i liked in the scene.

Of those 4 scenes I talked about, 1 was done, other 2 or so were cancelled due to a foreign girl testing positive before coming, and I will cancel the last one.

I saw Timea was in one scene, i hope it wasn't her who tested positive, porn needs Timea.

Cynewulf30 wrote:

Of those 4 scenes I talked about, 1 was done, other 2 or so were cancelled due to a foreign girl testing positive before coming, and I will cancel the last one.

I saw Timea was in one scene, i hope it wasn't her who tested positive, porn needs Timea.

It was a girl who never worked for us.

It was a girl who never worked for us.

Poor girl.

Would yoghurt be a more healthy alternative?

Guess what we have on the menu tonight?

THANK YOU
I HATE CREAM

cancelled my account.

I wonder how much of an impact these cancellations will actually have when it comes to hard numbers. I suspect it won't be the end of the world for XXX.

This is pretty interesting, I personally don't like creme scenes either, because I think its disgusting when the girls are eating the cream from another girl asshole, also, I'm not a fan of farting and farting cream is even more disgusting to me. However I do like when the dude injects cream into the girl's ass and then penetrates her, it looks messy and nasty.

For instance, this is one of my all time favorite scenes, it's one of the scenes that made me decide to join legalporno:

I liked it because Amber is the only girl in the scene, so she can't possible eat cream from another girl, and also because she looks so overwhelmed during the whole thing.

So even though I don't like the majority of what makes this type of scene, a creme scene, I still go ahead and buy them, provided I like the female performers in the scene, cuz chances are, I'll like a big chunk of the action.

But, it is interesting to me, because, I'm not sure if XXX is considering that although creme fans are not as many, as for other niches, Those who join the site that are drawn to it, will likely also buy other type of scenes that the site offers. So creme scenes, indirectly boost other movies sales numbers and customers with memberships.

Anyways, I applaud XXX for saying this, to us the customers, lol.

Shotgun00 wrote:Some confirmation as to whether Sineplex will be releasing their scenes on LP would be good. If Sineplex scenes are still available here not a lot will have changed. Before Gonzo, there were multiple studios on this site with only Sineplex releasing cream scenes. If Sineplex stays it'll be the same as before just with an extra studio with no cream. But if Sineplex goes elsewhere I'll be following them.

Should I assume that since this was completely ignored by xxx that Sineplex will be releasing their scenes elsewhere and not on LP? Seems a bit strange that xxx wouldn't tell us something which would've stopped a few member cancellations.

tgcfc26 wrote:I understand people who enjoy this stuff are going to be upset but it's hardly a "fuck you" is it. Would it be any different than me claiming that your request to keep producing them, despite the poor sales, is a fuck you to him ?

Yes, it would be different. Unless it's true that he's losing tons of money by producing these scenes, he's not losing out on anything by continuing to produce them. Instead, we're the ones losing out by discontinuing production. Again, not being "top-sellers" isn't the same as not selling at all. They may not be selling as much as he would like, but that doesn't mean they're not selling or generating a profit.

I don't think his point about personally disliking them has any correlation with only catering to people who share his preferences either. There's no real argument against what's lead to this decision, 2 years of data and a very poor representation in the best sellers list have clearly shown him that it's not worth the investment costs.

Is it that he's not making a profit at all on these scenes, or is the profit he's making not as much as he would like? As long as you're still making a profit on the investment in the scenes, then it isn't a loss, and proof that people still want to see them. Just because they're not at the top of the bestseller list doesn't mean that there's nobody buying them. Also, I think that there is a correlation between preference and this decision. I think if it were something that he personally liked, then he would be much less likely to discontinue it.

Dude, let it go. He's not going to make them anymore.

realtip wrote:Yes, it would be different. Unless it's true that he's losing tons of money by producing these scenes, he's not losing out on anything by continuing to produce them. Instead, we're the ones losing out by discontinuing production. Again, not being "top-sellers" isn't the same as not selling at all. They may not be selling as much as he would like, but that doesn't mean they're not selling or generating a profit.

Is it that he's not making a profit at all on these scenes, or is the profit he's making not as much as he would like? As long as you're still making a profit on the investment in the scenes, then it isn't a loss, and proof that people still want to see them. Just because they're not at the top of the bestseller list doesn't mean that there's nobody buying them. Also, I think that there is a correlation between preference and this decision. I think if it were something that he personally liked, then he would be much less likely to discontinue it.

You're wrong, he's most certainly losing out in producing them. He says in his first post that despite using some of the best girls in those scenes, they don't perform as well as others. If you're going to pay top money for the women you shoot, where is the value In hiring them for one of your worst performing niches ? It doesn't matter whether they're losing a ton of money, breaking even or making a small profit, their production is a waste of time and resources. I won't argue that people want to see them, that's evident, but their market representation is woeful; 3 in 75 is incredibly poor however you choose to acknowledge it.

Edit - What EP said.

tgcfc26 wrote:You're wrong, he's most certainly losing out in producing them. He says in his first post that despite using some of the best girls in those scenes, they don't perform as well as others. If you're going to pay top money for the women you shoot, where is the value In hiring them for one of your worst performing niches ? It doesn't matter whether they're losing a ton of money, breaking even or making a small profit, their production is a waste of time and resources. I won't argue that people want to see them, that's evident, but their market representation is woeful; 3 in 75 is incredibly poor however you choose to acknowledge it.

Edit - What EP said.

This is only true, if the members that quit because one of the old niches that made the site popular in the first place got cancelled spent their tickets on nothing but cream scenes, which is doubtful. Sacrificing variety and concentrating solely on the most popular products is pretty short sighted, especially with the ticket system in place. You can't calculate a return on investment based on how individual scenes perform. (this statement is directed towards tgc not xxx)

Shotgun00 wrote:Should I assume that since this was completely ignored by xxx that Sineplex will be releasing their scenes elsewhere and not on LP? Seems a bit strange that xxx wouldn't tell us something which would've stopped a few member cancellations.

I must have missed some announcement? Last time I spoke with Sineplex he said he wanted to release on LP, but I would not count on it.

It is not for me to make announcements. He can come here and explain his plans directly to you, his customers. I don't know why he is not explaining anything.

xxx wrote:I must have missed some announcement? Last time I spoke with Sineplex he said he wanted to release on LP, but I would not count on it.

It is not for me to make announcements. He can come here and explain his plans directly to you, his customers. I don't know why he is not explaining anything.

They never do, PC spreading vague rumors is all we ever get. I doubt that they aren't going to release their scenes here though, as building a new distribution system from scratch, at their usual (snail-)speed, would take until 2016.

xxx wrote:

Shotgun00 wrote:Should I assume that since this was completely ignored by xxx that Sineplex will be releasing their scenes elsewhere and not on LP? Seems a bit strange that xxx wouldn't tell us something which would've stopped a few member cancellations.

I must have missed some announcement? Last time I spoke with Sineplex he said he wanted to release on LP, but I would not count on it.

It is not for me to make announcements. He can come here and explain his plans directly to you, his customers. I don't know why he is not explaining anything.

not true they are all going on LP... just collecting all scenes so there is 5 of each niche. special shootings... there is no point releasing on sineplex since it only points to LP. but the variety of girls and combinations are going to spectacular. there is never anything sineplex says on here that it never delivers..... sometimes big long delays. but always delivers everything it says

Cool. Thanks for the info xxx and pc

eknbb2 wrote:

tgcfc26 wrote:You're wrong, he's most certainly losing out in producing them. He says in his first post that despite using some of the best girls in those scenes, they don't perform as well as others. If you're going to pay top money for the women you shoot, where is the value In hiring them for one of your worst performing niches ? It doesn't matter whether they're losing a ton of money, breaking even or making a small profit, their production is a waste of time and resources. I won't argue that people want to see them, that's evident, but their market representation is woeful; 3 in 75 is incredibly poor however you choose to acknowledge it.

Edit - What EP said.

This is only true, if the members that quit because one of the old niches that made the site popular in the first place got cancelled spent their tickets on nothing but cream scenes, which is doubtful. Sacrificing variety and concentrating solely on the most popular products is pretty short sighted, especially with the ticket system in place. You can't calculate a return on investment based on how individual scenes perform. (this statement is directed towards tgc not xxx)

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say in your first sentence, can you explain what you meant here please ?

I disagree that sacrificing content which doesn't sell particularly well and focusing on what's more popular and does sell well, is short sighted; did you miss the part where he said a contributing factor in this decision was two years of sales data ? Nobody's mentioning any calculations being made on individual scene performance, they haven't performed well as a whole.

In any event, my opinion really doesn't matter. I'm happy the future's not grim for you cream fans. Hopefully Sineplex will do a good job in providing you with this particular niche.

1 cream scene for every 100 sausage fest scenes is not representative. Of course cream scenes don't do as well. I was a member and couldn't spend my tickets. I would be a monthly member if you had 4 or 5 scenes a month. I wanna watch Samantha joons scene so much but why would I become a member. For 2 scene.

Ultimately its xxx's money. If cream scenes die, it sucks but what can we do. Its not our money. We all new this was coming. Xxx turned this site in to a quasi gay site. Tyranny porn is probably coming to LP. Maybe someone can raise money adult crowd funding site, I would contribute. Than we give money to SOS to shoot only cream scenes since its our money. Aside from that I can't think of anything else we can do. SAD sad day. PC I'm a computer programer if you need your own site I can do it cheaply.