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The gonzo monthly packs were set at a giant 75-80% or so discount (to see if sales would go up a lot - they didn't). This is going to change because we are making sales that are worth almost nothing, basically. So get them while you can at this rate. The discount will soon be adjusted way down and based on the real value instead of a flat fee.

Additionally we will add model packs, niche packs, and studio mega packs. But they will come a little later.

xxx wrote:Additionally we will add model packs, niche packs, and studio mega packs. But they will come a little later.

Niche packs.. me likes.

Shame, been buying the Gonzo packs almost every month since it came available. Been Great value.

If possible, can you still make the July 2019 scenes available to purchase for $30? I wanted to buy today but sad to see the option is no longer available when I clicked on the link. Was a big fan of the monthly gonzo packs.

xxx wrote:The gonzo monthly packs were set at a giant 75-80% or so discount (to see if sales would go up a lot - they didn't). This is going to change because we are making sales that are worth almost nothing, basically. So get them while you can at this rate. The discount will soon be adjusted way down and based on the real value instead of a flat fee.

Oh, shit, missed that post yesterday!
Now June flat rate is just over 100% up.
My mistake since I wanted to get all June about 10 days ago out of gratitude for free tickets received due to the 3-day-shutdown. But than I watched some of my previous bought DAPs instead and postponed the shopping of new DAPs. Now thats what I got from it!
But never mind, all good gets over, and sure selling content below price isn't good for gonzo.
Thus I'll get my missing June DAPs with tickets again.
Probably orces me to buy a bit less DAP, though.

Buying most needed missed opportunities for premium tickets straight away than:
Ciri DAPbreakin' = got that faster!
Sandra Soul gonzo DAP = need to check finally how she copes with Potro!
Polly Petrova = 2 more DAPs!

xxx, how much will the DAP niche flat rate be at about?

The levels of discount we are planning are :

- Monthly pack : 20%
- Model pack : 15%
- Genre pack : 15-25% (based on number of scenes)
- Studio pack : 15-30% (based on number of scenes)

Note that the price is also based on your individual tkt cost, and that these numbers may change.

I would love to make everything much cheaper but it's not really doable now at least.

25% mark down on DAP pack would be cheaper for me.

Which genre packs are in planning than?

Wow, the new prices for monthly pack are - wow!

In the beginning, when I discovered the monthly pack, I waited every month, until the "must-have"-scenes (plus "very-nice-to-have"-scenes) summed up to around 25 to 30 tickets. Then I bought the monthly pack. So I had those scenes, which I had bought anyhow and furthermore I discovered some nice scenes (and models), which I hadn't bought with tickets.
And then I bought some older scenes of those just discovered models.
The last few months, I got the monthly pack at the beginning of every month, because I believed, that the number of scenes, that I really wanted, will sum up to around 25 to 30 like the months before. And it happened.

What I want to say: I wouldn't have bought more scenes in the last months, than around 25 tickets - rather less.
So the 80%-discount you mention is a very theoretical value for someone, for whom every scene in the month is a "must-have"-scene.
The new price for monthly ticket isn't really worth of thinking about buying for me.

Read's XXX announcement:

xxx wrote:The gonzo monthly packs were set at a giant 75-80% or so discount (to see if sales would go up a lot - they didn't). This is going to change because we are making sales that are worth almost nothing, basically. So get them while you can at this rate. The discount will soon be adjusted way down and based on the real value instead of a flat fee.

xxx wrote:Additionally we will add model packs, niche packs, and studio mega packs. But they will come a little later.

check's new prices:

Prices has been increased by over 100%

Does basic math: $60 per month, times 12 month....

1 year of Gonzo scenes, $720

<---- /Puts FIREresist gear on

1 year of Brazzers: $120, 60 updates per month (vs the 25 of Gonzo)

Mmmhhh.....

Brazzers is full of tricks to make you pay more. Only a handful of sites are doing well with classic memberships every other paysite is struggling.

The classic $30 membership is a failed system. Everyone copies it but it sucks and they struggle to stay afloat. That's why you see every paysite with cross sale boxes on the join form + every dirty trick in the book after that to increase the revenue.

Wow - was intending to buy a month's worth of scenes, but the new price is crazy high.

I don't want to do it, but... I'm pretty sure that the total amount of money I've paid
over the past five years to Brazzers and LP is not proportional, not even remotely close.

Neither website is perfect.

I don't like "fake" boobs, faces, asses, or tattoos, lol
There is plenty of that over there. And bushes, ugh, lol.

I like anal porn, there is not much of that either.

But the videos are more erotic IMO, It's probably the story,
I think porn is moving back into story based, with the difference than before
the story took a long time to develop whereas now is more time efficient.

The pictures are like a million times better, lol. (I love pictures)
I make an annual suggestion topic for Luis about pictures, because man, his pictures are so bad. lol
But TBH it seems hopeless.

THE BEST OF ALL, no pissing and no prolapse over at brazzers. lol

you know, I was the guy who complained about the overly edited videos back in the day
and "dry" versions on the pee videos, are basically buying overly edited videos.

Why would I do that?

I can't even begin to imagine how a guy would fantasize about a pretty girl wanting to get pissed.
This is just insane. So vulgar. I don't understand how some of the most beautiful
women on the planet, appear in the same place, as pissing videos,
what is the thought process of this being a good idea.

How is pissing making you more money, lol, OMG.
How is Giorgio saying that, when Pissing was banned, LP got much bigger,
and IF SO, why the fuck did this shit came back.

and if I don't like something they put up, I can filter it out. (AT brazzers)
SO I don't even have to know it existed.

This sounds so easy to implement, the tags are already there.
WHY IS THIS NOT BEING IMPLEMENTED?!

I also like, that I can vote for models I wish to see return.
(In a way that actually feels like it works).

You know, when I cancelled my account I typed "I want to take a break"
(From seeing the front page loaded with pissing shit).

You know, most people who quit a company, don't ever explain why.

And I thought it would be like a 2 week tops break.

But now that I haven't seen much LP porn,
I checked the Gonzo studio page back on july 9th,
and I was like WTF, 50% of the releases of this month are pissing?! THE FUCK?!

It's hard to explain, but when I check the LP home page,
it's like seeing it black and white,
Like it just doesn't make me feel the excitement,

I was so hyped for Cindy Shine coming back and her video totally sucked,
it was like she was being fucked as an 18 year old newbie.

No energy, MEH

Luis was like, today we are gonna film a boring ass video, with super star cindy Shine, let's do IT. lol

You know, I was under the impression that you wanted to get more sales with each passing release,
but a lot of videos look half baked, no passion, with inexplicable grainy shadows, yesterday release,
1 on 1 with oil and a hot 27 year old, like the video could have been so much better, but it's so tamed.

Brazzers is mostly all vaginal, but it's not tamed.

Does anybody cares about quality over there? lol

I'm ranting, I'll shut up now

You need huge numbers to make a membership site works. Even with mainstream content it doesn't work because there is no need for many sites. It works for a few of them and the thousands of other sites don't work.

Now, when you sell extra expensive scenes (we spend a bit more on content than Brazzers, and others) with stuff like DAP and pee, you can never reach high numbers because the number of people ready to buy this is limited in the first place. Niche content is bound to have a high price or its production would disappear.

If we were to turn LP into a $30 membership site we would have to lower the production to 1 scene every 1-2 days.

magizi87 wrote:Read's XXX announcement:

xxx wrote:The gonzo monthly packs were set at a giant 75-80% or so discount (to see if sales would go up a lot - they didn't). This is going to change because we are making sales that are worth almost nothing, basically. So get them while you can at this rate. The discount will soon be adjusted way down and based on the real value instead of a flat fee.

xxx wrote:Additionally we will add model packs, niche packs, and studio mega packs. But they will come a little later.

check's new prices:

Prices has been increased by over 100%

Does basic math: $60 per month, times 12 month....

1 year of Gonzo scenes, $720

<---- /Puts FIREresist gear on

1 year of Brazzers: $120, 60 updates per month (vs the 25 of Gonzo)

Mmmhhh.....

I had Brazzers for years, but finally stopped renewing because it is utter shit.

xxx wrote:You need huge numbers to make a membership site works. Even with mainstream content it doesn't work because there is no need for many sites. It works for a few of them and the thousands of other sites don't work.

Now, when you sell extra expensive scenes (we spend a bit more on content than Brazzers, and others) with stuff like DAP and pee, you can never reach high numbers because the number of people ready to buy this is limited in the first place. Niche content is bound to have a high price or its production would disappear.

If we were to turn LP into a $30 membership site we would have to lower the production to 1 scene every 1-2 days.

The only sites I have a recurring membership on, besides LP, are EA, and 21sex. All others, (to maximize the return on my money) I do a yearly, or six a month subscription every other year and I download the scenes I want. There just isn't enough new content(especially anal) to maintain an active account.

magizi87 wrote:You know, I was under the impression that you wanted to get more sales with each passing release,
but a lot of videos look half baked, no passion, with inexplicable grainy shadows, yesterday release,
1 on 1 with oil and a hot 27 year old, like the video could have been so much better, but it's so tamed.

Does anybody cares about quality over there? lol

The main Luis quality is for sure his spirit of initiative...he went to Brazil, Colombia and now he has again a project about castings sessions in August in Colombia, but I have to say that there're many Stefano gonzos scenes, also if sometimes available at max 720p, which are giving me much more pleasure & enjoyment!
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So magizi87 I understand your point perfectly!!!

Obviously you guys at LP are in the business of making money, nothing wrong with that, and I imagine that whopping 80% discount for the monthly gonzo pack probably wasn't making much return for you guys if any but it was oh so good of a deal that spoiled me. These new packs sound promising but the higher price points will honestly cause me to become a lot more picky and probably spend much less than $30 a month on gonzo now. Whereas before those $30 monthly gonzo packs were pretty much a guaranteed buy for me around midway through the month.

Homo*_*Eroticus wrote:The main Luis quality is for sure his spirit of initiative...he went to Brazil, Colombia and now he has again a project about castings sessions in August in Colombia, but I have to say that there're many Stefano gonzos scenes, also if sometimes available at max 720p, which are giving me much more pleasure & enjoyment!
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So magizi87 I understand your point perfectly!!!

I don't like that Luis works outside of Prague, lol.

He changes the camera settings, because lighting conditions change due to different location and ambient,
his movies recorded outside the white room all look subpar, ALL of them.
and when he goes back to Prague, the camera settings were messed up so much
that it takes him entire batch of new movies just to get back to normal. lol

ruining dozens of scenes for picky fans like me. lol

on top of that, he also seem to change his camera style drastically each time he goes away.

He came back from South america this last time,
and made so many movies without showing the girls feet and full body.

So what I feel ends up happening, is worse looking videos
and it also seemS to fracture his team of studs,
where most of them have to find work elsewhere,
because they were not invited to brazil, or colombia or whatever,
and when he comes back we get a bunch of scenes
with guys from the C or so tier. SSOOOOOOO,
worse looking videos and much less rough sex.loooool

I also think they just don't do male-dom anymore,
there isn't a Mike Angelo per say,
A lot of the male actors probably just do what Luis tells them to do
and they don't do anything on their own, they don't add their own spin to the scene.
They are basically dildoes with legs.

Just ask me what I think of the dildo part of movies.

I did loved Vero, Polly and Natasha, they all did amazing scenes,
similar to the sex quality of the likes of Arwen,
but now that I've seem them do so much pissing,
I kinda don't care about them anymore, they disgust me. lol

dammit, sucks to realize this.

My last purchased scene is june third,
that's an eternity ago for a guy like me.

I got so many POS pissing scenes into my pornbox because of this stupid monthly pack.
Don't even want to look into my pornbox anymore.

#SADFACE

vinpin wrote:Obviously you guys at LP are in the business of making money, nothing wrong with that, and I imagine that whopping 80% discount for the monthly gonzo pack probably wasn't making much return for you guys if any but it was oh so good of a deal that spoiled me. These new packs sound promising but the higher price points will honestly cause me to become a lot more picky and probably spend much less than $30 a month on gonzo now. Whereas before those $30 monthly gonzo packs were pretty much a guaranteed buy for me around midway through the month.

THIS!

magizi87 wrote:I don't like that Luis works outside of Prague, lol.

My last purchased scene is june third,
that's an eternity ago for a guy like me.

But the third scene of June was shot in Colombia.... Emily Pink first anal!!!

magizi87 wrote:I also think they just don't do male-dom anymore,
there isn't a Mike Angelo per say,
A lot of the male actors probably just do what Luis tells them to do
and they don't do anything on their own, they don't add their own spin to the scene.
They are basically dildoes with legs.

dammit, sucks to realize this.

They tend to compensate this fact with this fucking pissing "action" that by the way, looks exceptionally artificial to me!

magizi87 wrote:Read's XXX announcement:

check's new prices:

Prices has been increased by over 100%

Does basic math: $60 per month, times 12 month....

1 year of Gonzo scenes, $720

<---- /Puts FIREresist gear on

1 year of Brazzers: $120, 60 updates per month (vs the 25 of Gonzo)

Mmmhhh.....

Haha, did you seriously just compare Brazzers to LP? I wouldnt pay $10 a year for Brazzers low quality vanilla crap. There is no comparison!

They make different porn. Call it vanilla I don't care.
I like women, women have vaginas and anuses, and IMO both should be fucked.
That's kinda why I like both of them, Brazzers and LP.

I mentioned Brazzers because, probably, they make more money than LP,
interestingly, XXX said his productions are more expensive than theirs.

So Brazzers makes more money, spending less money.

While here, we have mister XXX offering pissing and prolapse porn,
to scare off as many people as possible, from buying the anal porn.

And DAP is gay.

So whoever is left, has to pay more money.

Anyways, XXX said:

xxx wrote:You need huge numbers to make a membership site works. Even with mainstream content it doesn't work because there is no need for many sites. It works for a few of them and the thousands of other sites don't work.

Now, when you sell extra expensive scenes (we spend a bit more on content than Brazzers, and others) with stuff like DAP and pee, you can never reach high numbers because the number of people ready to buy this is limited in the first place. Niche content is bound to have a high price or its production would disappear.

If we were to turn LP into a $30 membership site we would have to lower the production to 1 scene every 1-2 days.

They just figured out a way to keep people hooked.
The logic must be, "rather take a small amount of money, than no money because you left".

Something like that.

I discovered Brazzers through RealityKings.

In the beginning, I got a deal for $9.99 per month, which was and still is,
offered as a 75% discount via advertisement websites, porn rank websites.
You google, "best porn websites" and this comes up first, we all been there, right?

I have never seen LegalPorno appear on these rankings, ever,

Probably because XXX doesn't seem to spend money on marketing.
XXX must think that ranking websites are based on people opinions,
but in reality, they put whoever pays the most money, on top.

So, RealityKings has many, MANY, many videos, but they also offer "loyalty" packs
so you pay, (I don't remember anymore), $40 or $60, something like that,
as a one time payment and they give you access to MOFOS or Brazzers, etc.
so long as you don't cancel your recurring payment, $9.99, you get access to those websites too.

It's a pretty smart system IMO, because I feel like I win, and they get to accumulate more loyal fans.

Like, at this point. I pay more money for Netflix or Spotify. Which in my mind, are similar to porn.

Anyways. I think you get the picture of how they managed to keep those low prices and offer so much content.
I mean, their value wasn't as good back then, I remember Brazzers not updating on weekends and
just posting 1 scene per day, now they update 2 every day. MOfos 1 every single day.
Funny, that for me, the one that got me hooked, RealitKings, is my least favorite of what they offer. lol

My story on how I discovered SIneplex, back then LP didn't existed, is completely different.

I was looking for videos about Stacy Snake on google,
and found one at piratebay (ROFL) by mysterious production called sineplex.

I remember thinking "THIS VIDEO IS AWESOME"

The first time I stepped into SIneplex,
my first thought was:

"GEE!, I hope this is not one of those child porn websites",
it looked so devious, lol

I still think "LEGALPORNO" as a brand name sounds sketchy.

The kinda situation where you are not sure if you want to share your credit card info with, lol.

Mmmmm I went off the tangent far too long,
Just wanted to say this,
I think I figured out where does the 75-80% discount that XXX mentioned earlier, comes from:

So, LegalPorno offers to just buy TKT at different price ranges,
from 10 TKT all the way up to 250 TKT.

So, they must be thinking that 1 tkt is worth $1.29 USD.
This number comes from the offer of 10 tkt for $12.90

and that everything else,
including but not limited to, studio subscriptions and monthly memberships,
are discounted rates.

So for instance, if I take into account Gonzo releases from today,
all the way back to June 21st 2019 (1 month worth of releases) I learned this:

23 new GONZO scenes (excluding the dry versions)
average price per scene is 4.41 TKT
total amount needed to by them all, 101.5 TKT

SO YEAH, with these numbers the old $30 per one month was a 76.74% discount.
And if per say the new model is $60 per one month of releases, which XXX said it wont be flat,
so, it could be higher or lower per month, depending on the number of releases during said month,
but for the sake of this example lets say it is flat at $60.00 USD, it would be a 54.26% discount.

which sounds pretty good but, if you do the math,
the 3 month subscription plan offers better value
and gives you flexibility to buy scenes from other studios.

anyways I also realized while doing all of this calculation that
if the average scene price is 4.41 TKT:

The amount of scenes you can buy in one month, hasn't really gone up at all.
with an average of 10.8 new purchasable scenes per month, with the best value pack,
the 3 month subscription. Subscription below this one offer worse value and less purchasable scenes.

Which further compounds against my comparison with brazzers,
because over there, If I have time to watch 60 new releases in the month,
I could do it.

Where as here I can just watch 10 or 11 scenes in a given month.
(Assuming I just don't buy more TKT whenever is needed, as some of you might end up doing)

The math for whoever is interested:

Hey magizi87, are you a business consultant???

Very sad, i just wanted to buy some months for the old price, but i was too late It was a very good offer and i hope that there will be a "comeback" of this opportunity in the future.

I am surprised - these prices are definitely too high (business will not be on this)

Yes, the prices are too high. Maybe gonzo could start a new try to sell all gonzo scenes for 30 or 35 Euro. I guess a lot of people who are sad that this opportunity doesn exist anymore would buy some months directly

2 cents:
membership website (pay nothing and download all) are not in the game anymore, there are much better and more interesting content elsewhere.

just google for Sia Siberia, check her account on MV ([spam].com) and notes the prices for a single scene and the "31 videos package" at 170$. She fucks only with her BF and some lesbo/solo. She is cute of course. She makes more money than a model following a "normal" business model, easy.
Most of producers of membership website are not able to pay enough to a model to generate the interest of other models to join the industry, without to count they shoot a model just (2-4) time in her entire career.
So most of cute/smart girls are going "solo" on "revenueshare program" with platforms like MV, and see the price people pay for them.

Porn is changing, in next 10 years you will see how many membership website will be able to survive the models going "solo": just a few.
Platforms like MV or OF will do better and who stay into some pretty HC niche (as LP) will make it as well and continue growing.

xxx wrote:The gonzo monthly packs were set at a giant 75-80% or so discount (to see if sales would go up a lot - they didn't). This is going to change because we are making sales that are worth almost nothing, basically. So get them while you can at this rate. The discount will soon be adjusted way down and based on the real value instead of a flat fee.

It would have been nice to have had some notice. I was planning on grabbing June 2019 and November 2018 months but this happened. Maybe announced it and made it starting August with the new pricing. LP seems really bad at nit giving subscribers enough notice before making major changes ie getting rid of free tickets and so forth. With an annoucement there could have been a large amount of monthly packages sold. So a win win.

What makes it worse is that link for Gonzo scenes saying - 'get for $0.99' is still up there along with the question mark information next to it saying - 'Follow this link to go to studio page where you can buy all scenes released within July 2019 cheaper.' There were 25 scenes in July meaning I should be able to get them for $25. But due to price increase the cost is roughly $58. That is deceptive/false advertising and I find it frustrating nothing has been done about it.

All other sites bore me. I have been with LP almost exclusively for years. JaySin was good for gape fans but he could never shoot creampies because of EA's policy. Premium Bukkake is good, but not cheap. Prices will always go up, that is life. I gladly pay $30 for 42 tickets. No one else has the content that LP has

There are several problem with this price increase:

firstly it is double the price, which is crazy.
secondly, I dont like everything that Gonzo produces and I don't like all the actresses either.
Thirdly, the older scenes are "free ticket" only so even if I buy additional tickets I can't use them for the older scenes which makes buying them no longer possible without waiting ages to get free tickets or paying the cash price which is always way too over-priced.

I never seen any business model work whereby if they are losing money they increase the price. If anything you should realise that maybe you are already more expensive than the competition and reduce further your prices to make people more willing to part with their hard earned cash. Everyone wants value for money at the end of the day, and not everyone has the same tastes (which goes to my second point).

I would not mind this price increase if it was to include all monthly videos rather than for just one studio. (a all LP monthly sciences option) that might be then worth the 60 Euros.

I look forward to see what you do in the future with Genres and models, but guess you will also over-price everything.

I bought several months and was considering buying more when they go to free ticket only mode (as mentioned in my third point), but now with the price increase I will be buying none.

mrichardson1975 wrote:Thirdly, the older scenes are "free ticket" only so even if I buy additional tickets I can't use them for the older scenes which makes buying them no longer possible

Really?
Cant you just pay for them with premium tickets?

mrichardson1975 wrote:There are several problem with this price increase:

firstly it is double the price, which is crazy.
secondly, I dont like everything that Gonzo produces and I don't like all the actresses either.
Thirdly, the older scenes are "free ticket" only so even if I buy additional tickets I can't use them for the older scenes which makes buying them no longer possible without waiting ages to get free tickets or paying the cash price which is always way too over-priced.

I never seen any business model work whereby if they are losing money they increase the price. If anything you should realise that maybe you are already more expensive than the competition and reduce further your prices to make people more willing to part with their hard earned cash. Everyone wants value for money at the end of the day, and not everyone has the same tastes (which goes to my second point).

I would not mind this price increase if it was to include all monthly videos rather than for just one studio. (a all LP monthly sciences option) that might be then worth the 60 Euros.

I look forward to see what you do in the future with Genres and models, but guess you will also over-price everything.

I bought several months and was considering buying more when they go to free ticket only mode (as mentioned in my third point), but now with the price increase I will be buying none.

I would have said it in more kindly words, but generally I agree with most of this post.