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wow, I do hope that 8.3 is 3.8 backwards, because ...

I'm affraid it truly is 8.3. You know US stars demands more money than most European girls and it's obvious members must cover part of the cost, normal thing. For me personally it's not a problem, she isn't in my type and I will skip it. From other side if some scene with my fav model would cost 8.3tkt I suppose I would buy it anyway.

The US "stars" can kiss my left nut. The Euro amateur/semi pro/escort girls taking it up the ass and drinking piss is way hotter than over the hill porn star dap tap tip fucking circus show. I would not pay 3.8, never mind 8.3. Not for this kind of scene. There are some I would, but not this. Further more, LP does not have the subscriber base to cover the cost of of so called "stars", and perhaps the exodus of the piss fans is showing its effect, hence 8.3 LOL what a joke. I sooo hope for Christmas present this year, Sineplex breaks off and goes back to the good old Euro girl, anal, piss, cream recipe.

^ Get used to it, they are making big $$$ here those has-been performers

staygold wrote:^ Get used to it, they are making big $$$ here those has-been performers

The economy must be good. Girls are getting uglier, and performances worse.

I'm glad to have US girls shooting over in Europe, but 8.3 tkts for a scene is absolute madness!

I would only pay something like that for an absolute favourite performer, like Juelz Ventura.

I'll gladly be skipping this scene, unless the price is lowered to something more sensible, like 5 tkts.

I would have paid 10 tickets to see Maddy swallow up 10 guys sperm in a rough blowbang especially with IR-DAP, _ _ _ _ _ but for her first DAP. Having said that there are people out there already nearly 90000 and not even 2 days.

i am not buying it for 8.3TK, its not more than 4 Tkt worth

I agree 8.3 is much overpriced. This scene should cost max 4-5tkts, but as I said there are some users who are ready to spend 8.3 or even more for fav stars. I'm curious how the sales of this particular scene looks like.

Kriss1986 wrote:I agree 8.3 is much overpriced. This scene should cost max 4-5tkts, but as I said there are some users who are ready to spend 8.3 or even more for fav stars. I'm curious how the sales of this particular scene looks like.

I tend to think that a lot of Maddy's and Aj's fans will buy this scene of them together for the 12 bucks price. It is very well worth if it you are a fan of either, and they have large fanbases.

The ticket price will not appeal to regular LP users, and these girls are different than the usual LP performers (thicker, US based, and a very different style of performance).

LP should do fine with fans of these ladies buying the scene outright, and there are LP customers like me who will pay the 8.3 tickets because of who is in it. I love seeing the US girls come over and hope more come. It is a different style of performance and I love seeing them mixing the LP style with them.

I can agree that for regular ticket buyers who are used to LP pricing, this will turn a lot of them off from buying the scene.

I also will say the camera work was not very good..... I still enjoyed the scene very much.

mistress_cindy2008 wrote:

Kriss1986 wrote:I agree 8.3 is much overpriced. This scene should cost max 4-5tkts, but as I said there are some users who are ready to spend 8.3 or even more for fav stars. I'm curious how the sales of this particular scene looks like.

I tend to think that a lot of Maddy's and Aj's fans will buy this scene of them together for the 12 bucks price. It is very well worth if it you are a fan of either, and they have large fanbases.

The ticket price will not appeal to regular LP users, and these girls are different than the usual LP performers (thicker, US based, and a very different style of performance).

LP should do fine with fans of these ladies buying the scene outright, and there are LP customers like me who will pay the 8.3 tickets because of who is in it. I love seeing the US girls come over and hope more come. It is a different style of performance and I love seeing them mixing the LP style with them.

I can agree that for regular ticket buyers who are used to LP pricing, this will turn a lot of them off from buying the scene.

I also will say the camera work was not very good..... I still enjoyed the scene very much.

Hello Cindy,

It was just my private opinion about this particular scene , nothing personal and nothing against Maddy or Aj, both are fine just not in my type. I understand your point of view - I would also spend even 12tkt to buy scene with my fav models. Yeah maybe "style" is a little different but I don't see any difference in quality of act, both US and also European girls can perform act at the same high level. But we should left conversation about our preferences, each of us have different and it's normal thing. I'm glad you enjoyed this scene . Maybe few word's abut price - for me it's not important if it's 8tkts, 4tks or whatever because for me it's not a main criterion to buy video or not. Sometimes I'm wondering why some people complain about price when they even never would buy scene due a model? I suppose that sales of mentioned scene are fine so high price is not an issue.

I guess people like to complain.
Also if people are accustomed to buy 'x' number of scenes per month at 3 tkts or 3.5 tkts each, and then they see prices generally rising to 4.5 or 5 tkts now they must buy fewer scenes or more tkts, so yes they will complain about that.
And if they see a scene for 8.3 tkts this is a big target for all the complainers.

But nobody is forced to buy it.

avanfurwet wrote:I guess people like to complain.
Also if people are accustomed to buy 'x' number of scenes per month at 3 tkts or 3.5 tkts each, and then they see prices generally rising to 4.5 or 5 tkts now they must buy fewer scenes or more tkts, so yes they will complain about that.
And if they see a scene for 8.3 tkts this is a big target for all the complainers.

But nobody is forced to buy it.

Sorry, in this case the cost of the scene is not equivalent to the content of it, at least not that I saw in the preview. Generally, more $$$ = better product.

The cost of the scene is equivalent to the investments made to shoot it. Enough said!
If you dont like it, dont buy it!

Look the sales rates and you see a lot of users think is worth, they may reside in the US but they have a right to good porn as well! Most important: Europorn wont die!

dap-addict wrote:The cost of the scene is equivalent to the investments made to shoot it. Enough said!
If you dont like it, dont buy it!

Look the sales rates and you see a lot of users think is worth, they may reside in the US but they have a right to good porn as well! Most important: Europorn wont die!

Weren't you just bitching about gonzos increase in prices in another thread? You are one bi polar sob.

rollin_dubs187 wrote:

dap-addict wrote:The cost of the scene is equivalent to the investments made to shoot it. Enough said!
If you dont like it, dont buy it!

Look the sales rates and you see a lot of users think is worth, they may reside in the US but they have a right to good porn as well! Most important: Europorn wont die!

Weren't you just bitching about gonzos increase in prices in another thread? You are one bi polar sob.

Yep its right here

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drevokocur66 wrote:
Sorry, in this case the cost of the scene is not equivalent to the content of it, at least not that I saw in the preview.

Maybe, for you. If so, don't buy. No need to say the "girls are getting uglier" just because they're not your favourites.

drevokocur66 wrote:Generally, more $$$ = better product.

I agree. Although people will have different opinions about what is "better".

I don't understand how 1 year ago LP priced the Xmas scene with 3 expensive stars, Casey Calvert, Maddy O'Reilly and Hope Howell at 6.6 tkts, and today LP price the DAP scene with Maddy and AJ at 8.3 tkts.

I understand DAP is more, and travel to Prague is more (but spread over 5+ scenes per model), but for me the numbers still don't make sense.

Anyway, LP can charge what they like, we can bitch all we want, and LP will live or die by their sales figures.

From some reasons LP valued this particular scene for 8.3tkt. The sales anyway looks fine so it seems high amount of tkt isn't problem for some users. Yes I agree maybe in this case the cost of the scene is not equivalent to the content of it, but as DAP-a said LP invest for those models and now they wont earn $$ it's simple rule. The point is, as long as LP will not increase price for all scenes I don't have any issue.

Finally got round to viewing this scene.

Different people will want different things in a scene. Most important for me are:

- Which girl(s) are in the scene - are they my "type"
- Girls' performance and mood of the scene - which for me needs to be a happy mood
- Girls' outfits - e.g. I like pretty dresses and heels, hate stockings & suspenders
- Boys' performance - which for me just translates into showing the girls off and helping the girls to appear happy

So this scene delivered exactly what I expected when I bought it. Two favourite honeys in nice outfits getting naked and delivering a great performance and appearing to really love what they're doing. Maddy & AJ genuinely seemed to enjoy working together. I enjoyed their scene.

Comments about the price of the scene have been covered elsewhere. Honestly, the price looks high considering the technical shortcomings, but it was 2 high-profile expensive girls giving a great show so I guess in the end it's down to whether you're a fan or not.

People have criticised the lighting, camera work and editing for this scene. My personal experience was:

Overall lighting and camera was OK for me. Clearly not as good as we're accustomed to from Giorgio or the best US sites like Tushy. But didn't really distract me or spoil my enjoyment. I thought it could have been brighter but the black & white floor didn't help.

Knowing that Proxy was an intern at Gonzo, I'd not rush in to be too harsh in criticising her. I bet Giorgio's earliest scenes as a camera operator/director don't look so great technically compared with his work today.

Worst criticism from me is the jumpy editing, one particularly jarring example would be around 39:05 where AJ takes her first DAP reverse cowgirl, and the scene jumps from dismount after DP to resume part way through the DAP in the same position. Of course, the editor can't show action if the camera didn't capture it in the first place, so maybe not the editor's fault here. But maybe something a more experienced director would have re-shot to make sure the scene was complete.

The still photos which came with the scene I think show potential for improvement. They look to have a blue colour cast. I think they would have been punchier with a little fill-flash. And stuff you can get away with in video getting in close using wide angle, just looks oddly distorted in stills. So sometimes I think the photographer needs to step back to maintain a natural perspective.

The BTS footage (thanks for that btw) was an interesting insight into the shooting of the stills. Looked like a good-natured and relaxed set where experienced professional actors and actresses were doing a good job and working with Proxy to help her out and get the job done. Clearly Proxy's inexperience meant she didn't really boss the set and organise a quick, smooth flow to zip through the positions like a veteran director would, but she got the job done and IMO she'll learn and get better with experience.

avanfurwet wrote:Finally got round to viewing this scene.

Different people will want different things in a scene. Most important for me are:

- Which girl(s) are in the scene - are they my "type"
- Girls' performance and mood of the scene - which for me needs to be a happy mood
- Girls' outfits - e.g. I like pretty dresses and heels, hate stockings & suspenders
- Boys' performance - which for me just translates into showing the girls off and helping the girls to appear happy

So this scene delivered exactly what I expected when I bought it. Two favourite honeys in nice outfits getting naked and delivering a great performance and appearing to really love what they're doing. Maddy & AJ genuinely seemed to enjoy working together. I enjoyed their scene.

Comments about the price of the scene have been covered elsewhere. Honestly, the price looks high considering the technical shortcomings, but it was 2 high-profile expensive girls giving a great show so I guess in the end it's down to whether you're a fan or not.

People have criticised the lighting, camera work and editing for this scene. My personal experience was:

Overall lighting and camera was OK for me. Clearly not as good as we're accustomed to from Giorgio or the best US sites like Tushy. But didn't really distract me or spoil my enjoyment. I thought it could have been brighter but the black & white floor didn't help.

Knowing that Proxy was an intern at Gonzo, I'd not rush in to be too harsh in criticising her. I bet Giorgio's earliest scenes as a camera operator/director don't look so great technically compared with his work today.

Worst criticism from me is the jumpy editing, one particularly jarring example would be around 39:05 where AJ takes her first DAP reverse cowgirl, and the scene jumps from dismount after DP to resume part way through the DAP in the same position. Of course, the editor can't show action if the camera didn't capture it in the first place, so maybe not the editor's fault here. But maybe something a more experienced director would have re-shot to make sure the scene was complete.

The still photos which came with the scene I think show potential for improvement. They look to have a blue colour cast. I think they would have been punchier with a little fill-flash. And stuff you can get away with in video getting in close using wide angle, just looks oddly distorted in stills. So sometimes I think the photographer needs to step back to maintain a natural perspective.

The BTS footage (thanks for that btw) was an interesting insight into the shooting of the stills. Looked like a good-natured and relaxed set where experienced professional actors and actresses were doing a good job and working with Proxy to help her out and get the job done. Clearly Proxy's inexperience meant she didn't really boss the set and organise a quick, smooth flow to zip through the positions like a veteran director would, but she got the job done and IMO she'll learn and get better with experience.

Thank you for this extensive review . Both girls aren't exactly in my type but anyway I must admit this particular scene is damn good. Both ladies provided action at good high level so their fans will not be disappointed .

LP could have shoot good scenes with her , but recently scene with us pornstars are like a circus .Personnaly i can jerk on this ! Stop this circus please