Camerawork

[tgcfc26]

I mentioned this a couple of months ago and I want to raise the issue again, the camerawork for some time now has been way below the standard I expect from this company. I can honestly say that a lot of the filming infuriates me more than any other site. I'm tired of paying for content that's being let down by something which is fundamental to its quality. I think this needs to be openly discussed in more detail because I know I'm not alone on this, at the same time I welcome the opinions of those who feel this is a non issue, perhaps I'm being overly critical. To clarify what it is that annoys me most, the constant close ups and poor angles. I'll give examples from only the last few days to stay relevant but this has been an issue for me for a long time now.

First up http://legalporno.com/watch/28603/billie_star_blanche_bradburry_double_anal_gangbang_feat_nacho_vidal_sz580

When there are two girls in a scene I would like to see both in full view whenever possible, there is no excuse for the filming of one of them from just inches away while the second girl is on the border of the shot. It's annoying to see them getting fucked side by side on the sofa and the cameraman deciding that the best angle is a close up of one of them, or just filming as if the other isn't even there. Please take a few steps back and capture everything that's going on, I want to see all of the body and face as well as the penetration. I'm not saying completely scrap the close up but it shouldn't dominate a scene, the focus should be on having all of the action in one shot. I know this is easier said than done but that's the point of direction, get them in to positions that showcase everything and position yourself better to capture it. There were times where the setup was spot on only to be spoiled by ridiculously close filming and poor judgement, it's ruining a lot of these scenes. (I know Billie left for a short time during this scene, my points are based on the times she was present)

Which brings me on to the next example http://legalporno.com/watch/28625/teen_anal_gangbang_4v4_timea_bella_anita_bellini_linda_sweet_tina_hot_teen_sz583

Capturing something like this is always going to be a challenge, there is simply too much going on to not miss most of it and to a certain extent you did a good job, but again it's riddled with bad angles, decisions on where to focus, and zoomed in filming. At one point all he's focusing on is Anita sucking a dick when just out of shot another girl is being dp'ed..... WTF ? Let me give you an example of what I think would have been incredible to watch: two of the girls side by side getting fucked in the arse in reverse cowgirl, the other two are getting fucked on the floor in doggy, positioned at opposing angles in front so that we can see everything while they perform ATM on the girls above them, meanwhile the cameraman stands back to capture it all in shot, perhaps zooming in briefly for the gapes and ATM. Or even three of the girls side by side getting fucked in the arse in reverse cowgirl while the fourth girl makes her way down the line and does ATM on all of them. Those are just two examples of how you could of incorporated all of the girls on screen at the same time for the customer.

I'm not saying they are complete write offs, at times the filming is perfect, but it's typically seconds away from being ruined with a bad decision. When you have everything on view and the action is perfect, stick with it, you don't need to constantly zoom in, move about, cut girls out and fuck around.

If anyone chooses to reply or add to this, please stay on topic.

[utopiaa]

Sure the whole view is important too, but so it close ups. Seems to me many users here don't want close ups at all, but somekinda vouyer type of scenes (Not meaning you the OP).

One problem with multiple girl scenes is also something that can't be solved. Some like the other girl more and wish she is more on the focus and other likes the other girl more, so they both complain

One problem that is been voiced and i agree is that the ATM shots are quite often not so great, meaning the toy/dick goes off screen. I think it is more of a communication problem with actors/cameraguy thought. Do we do a gape shot or do we do ATM shot. I think many of the old sineplex scenes had pretty great ATM position where the other girl is on the top mouth open waiting the dick to come directly from ass to mouth, this way the gape shots are possible too in the same shot and no dick goes offscreen.

Here is 2 examples. This is only 1 variation. there is also 1 where the girl is more on top. or the girls is more down too. There are some scenes with this or similar position used thought already on the Gonzo scenes.

Example 1

Example 2, more closer

[Tastes Like Ass]

I mentioned this a couple of months ago and I want to raise the issue again, the camerawork for some time now has been way below the standard I expect from this company. I can honestly say that a lot of the filming infuriates me more than any other site. I'm tired of paying for content that's being let down by something which is fundamental to its quality. I think this needs to be openly discussed in more detail because I know I'm not alone on this, at the same time I welcome the opinions of those who feel this is a non issue, perhaps I'm being overly critical. To clarify what it is that annoys me most, the constant close ups and poor angles. I'll give examples from only the last few days to stay relevant but this has been an issue for me for a long time now.

First up http://legalporno.com/watch/28603/billie_star_blanche_bradburry_double_anal_gangbang_feat_nacho_vidal_sz580

When there are two girls in a scene I would like to see both in full view whenever possible, there is no excuse for the filming of one of them from just inches away while the second girl is on the border of the shot. It's annoying to see them getting fucked side by side on the sofa and the cameraman deciding that the best angle is a close up of one of them, or just filming as if the other isn't even there. Please take a few steps back and capture everything that's going on, I want to see all of the body and face as well as the penetration. I'm not saying completely scrap the close up but it shouldn't dominate a scene, the focus should be on having all of the action in one shot. I know this is easier said than done but that's the point of direction, get them in to positions that showcase everything and position yourself better to capture it. There were times where the setup was spot on only to be spoiled by ridiculously close filming and poor judgement, it's ruining a lot of these scenes. (I know Billie left for a short time during this scene, my points are based on the times she was present)

Which brings me on to the next example http://legalporno.com/watch/28625/teen_anal_gangbang_4v4_timea_bella_anita_bellini_linda_sweet_tina_hot_teen_sz583

Capturing something like this is always going to be a challenge, there is simply too much going on to not miss most of it and to a certain extent you did a good job, but again it's riddled with bad angles, decisions on where to focus, and zoomed in filming. At one point all he's focusing on is Anita sucking a dick when just out of shot another girl is being dp'ed..... WTF ? Let me give you an example of what I think would have been incredible to watch: two of the girls side by side getting fucked in the arse in reverse cowgirl, the other two are getting fucked on the floor in doggy, positioned at opposing angles in front so that we can see everything while they perform ATM on the girls above them, meanwhile the cameraman stands back to capture it all in shot, perhaps zooming in briefly for the gapes and ATM. Or even three of the girls side by side getting fucked in the arse in reverse cowgirl while the fourth girl makes her way down the line and does ATM on all of them. Those are just two examples of how you could of incorporated all of the girls on screen at the same time for the customer.

I'm not saying they are complete write offs, at times the filming is perfect, but it's typically seconds away from being ruined with a bad decision. When you have everything on view and the action is perfect, stick with it, you don't need to constantly zoom in, move about, cut girls out and fuck around.

If anyone chooses to reply or add to this, please stay on topic.

Extremely well said. I agree 100% with everything you said.

[Tastes Like Ass]

Sure the whole view is important too, but so it close ups. Seems to me many users here don't want close ups at all, but somekinda vouyer type of scenes (Not meaning you the OP).

Well, I have been one of the most vocal critics of closeups, but I'm not saying to do away with them entirely. There are some instances where a closeup is really the only way to get a good look at something that you want to see, and in that case they're fine. But closeups that serve no real purpose should be kept to a minimum.

For example, look at the 2 shots that you posted. The first shot seems to me to be superior to the second shot in every conceivable way. In the first shot, you can see everything that you can see in the second shot, plus you get a much better look at the face of the girl who's getting fucked. In this case, zooming in serves no purpose whatsoever. I just can't imagine anyone preferring the second shot over the first, unless they are extremely near-sighted!

I see this in a lot of the scenes, especially in the last 3-4 months (since around the time of the split). They will have a great angle, where you can clearly see everything of interest, but then, for no apparent reason, they zoom in just enough to move something interesting (usually, but not always, the girl's face) out of the frame. This is simply inexplicable, yet it happens so frequently that it must be intentional.

I also agree with the OP that closeups should be used even more sparingly in big group scenes (like the recent 4 on 4 orgy scene), since the whole point of these scenes is to see multiple girls getting fucked at the same time, and frequent closeups are obviously counterproductive to that goal.

[eknbb2]

Sure the whole view is important too, but so it close ups. Seems to me many users here don't want close ups at all, but somekinda vouyer type of scenes (Not meaning you the OP).

I wholly agree with what you wrote, while many here are on a crusade against close ups, I certainly can't find joy in scenes that are lacking them.

[Tastes Like Ass]

Here is an example of a scene that has, in my opinion, almost perfect camerawork:

http://legalporno.com/watch/27923/kreme ... weet_sz385

Notice that there is very little camera movement and virtually no extreme closeups.

Nevertheless, the cameraman (SOS?) manages to clearly capture everything that I want to see (the penetration, both girls' faces, and most of the body of the girl who is getting fucked) at almost all times.

I feel that every scene should be shot like this, and if anyone who has watched this scene disagrees, I would really like to know why, and how they think that it could be improved upon.

[hernando]

I purchased the scene with Tina and Anita etc because it had Tina in it, but basically it was shot terribly.

I was confused rather than aroused.

[Blaze]

Capturing something like this is always going to be a challenge, there is simply too much going on to not miss most of it and to a certain extent you did a good job, but again it's riddled with bad angles, decisions on where to focus, and zoomed in filming. At one point all he's focusing on is Anita sucking a dick when just out of shot another girl is being dp'ed..... WTF ? Let me give you an example of what I think would have been incredible to watch: two of the girls side by side getting fucked in the arse in reverse cowgirl, the other two are getting fucked on the floor in doggy, positioned at opposing angles in front so that we can see everything while they perform ATM on the girls above them, meanwhile the cameraman stands back to capture it all in shot, perhaps zooming in briefly for the gapes and ATM. Or even three of the girls side by side getting fucked in the arse in reverse cowgirl while the fourth girl makes her way down the line and does ATM on all of them. Those are just two examples of how you could of incorporated all of the girls on screen at the same time for the customer.

Amen to this !
It's surprising they never thought about this before, there is so much potential with 4 actresses on the same set ...

For example, look at the 2 shots that you posted. The first shot seems to me to be superior to the second shot in every conceivable way. In the first shot, you can see everything that you can see in the second shot, plus you get a much better look at the face of the girl who's getting fucked. In this case, zooming in serves no purpose whatsoever. I just can't imagine anyone preferring the second shot over the first, unless they are extremely near-sighted!

I dont need glasses but if I have to choose between these both, I would take the second shot !

What's wrong with close-ups ? I don't find absolutely necessary to always see the entire girl's bodies or both faces. I prefer that the cameraman shoot a good steady close-up ATOGM with just the ass and the face, letting the actor easily alternate between the asshole and the mouth of the girl, without the need to change the camera's angle (we can see the ATOGM and gaping asshole in the same time).
Same thing when it concerns scenes with multiple girls, don't remove the close-ups, even if it means a longer scene.
No needs to abuse of the close-ups but just keep a good ratio (50/50?) between wide shots and close-ups.

The scenes would be really boring to watch without that ...

[eknbb2]

I dont need glasses but if I have to choose between these both, I would take the second shot !

I too would prefer the second shot any day, 'nuff said.

[DoubleOrNothing]

Agreed.

The camera is not too close often, but close way too often.

[jeffandersonn]

hi

could you please shoot this angle more often??




i like your camera work but there is definitely a lack ok this angle....with the camera stuck in this position for at least 30/40 seconds

thanks

[gapefan]

^Nothing against you jeffandersonn, but I myself don't like that angle much.

You can't see the girls face, or much of the girl at all really...

Not my favorite camera angle...

[magizi877]

I'll make some suggestions once I'm home. I like that camera angle when executed properly. Which is a rare occurrence when it happens.

[jeffandersonn]

hey Gapefan, i'm not talking about doing the entire dp scene with that angle........i'm just saying to spend 30-40 seconds with camera in that position.

legalporno scene last long enough to please everybody.

my 2 cent

[gapefan]

Fair enough jeffandersonn and magizi87

Maybe there is a good way to shoot that angle...

I'm interested to see what magizi87 is talking about.

And you're right 1 minute would only be a small part of the scene.

[Tastes Like Ass]

^Back in the '90s, that angle used to be extremely common. In fact, just about every DP shot back then consisted of large doses of that angle, and for that reason, I used to hate DPs. Fortunately, about 10 years ago, someone figured out that perhaps the viewer would rather see more of the girl, and less of the guys' nuts, and that angle has thankfully become a lot less common.

[kidloco]

I'd hate that zoomed-in US 90s style backshot DP angle. It's only nice for a short cut when the bottom guy spreads her ass with both hands and the top guy
pulls out his dick for some gape shots.

I prefer diagonal view from back, so you can see girls tits and face as well as the actual anal and pussy penetretion, with the top guy's leg pushed up or just out of the view, since it's usually blocking your view to see the penetration.
The best is when the bottom guy holds girl's ass cheeks with both hands and spreads it apart.


I also hate side view, where you see the girl but you don't see the penetration.

By the way, this position /move would be welcome too:

[Tastes Like Ass]

I prefer diagonal view from back, so you can see girls tits and face as well as the actual anal and pussy penetretion, with the top guy's leg pushed up or just out of the view, since it's usually blocking your view to see the penetration.

Yeah, that's my preference as well. Another good option is to have the top guy angle his upper body away from the camera, while the girl angles her upper body toward the camera. Either way works for me, as long as you can see all the stuff you mentioned.

[kidloco]

Yep, letting the guy leaning backwards works fine.

Then there's that awkward "hot-dog"position with the girl laying on her side (like spoon), one guy fucks her in the pussy from the front (face 2 face), while the other guy fucks her anally from the back while lifting her
leg up high. The shot is taken like diagonally from her feet.

[kidloco]

Capturing something like this is always going to be a challenge, there is simply too much going on to not miss most of it and to a certain extent you did a good job, but again it's riddled with bad angles, decisions on where to focus, and zoomed in filming. At one point all he's focusing on is Anita sucking a dick when just out of shot another girl is being dp'ed..... WTF ? Let me give you an example of what I think would have been incredible to watch: two of the girls side by side getting fucked in the arse in reverse cowgirl, the other two are getting fucked on the floor in doggy, positioned at opposing angles in front so that we can see everything while they perform ATM on the girls above them, meanwhile the cameraman stands back to capture it all in shot, perhaps zooming in briefly for the gapes and ATM. Or even three of the girls side by side getting fucked in the arse in reverse cowgirl while the fourth girl makes her way down the line and does ATM on all of them. Those are just two examples of how you could of incorporated all of the girls on screen at the same time for the customer.

That's genius idea, but as a camera guy, I think it's impossible to shoot so it doesn't look like crap. It would be too much far away or too close to the action.
That's even problem with two girls doing reverse cowgirl anal side by side, when you see both of them, the action is not close enough, and when they zoom
for some gape shot, you immediately lost your view of the action next to it with the other girl, which would drive me nuts.

When shooting RAC anal or anything side by side, I would put the camera on a dolly or slider and pan it from side to side.

Another idea for 4 on 2/4 scene I have is like this:
guy 1: laying on the floor or couch
girl 1: exchanging repeately between two positions - one being fast anal penetration in squatting position on guy 1, the second being doggy anal with guy 2 (girl 1 is still over guy 1 on her knees)
guy 3 and 4 holds girl's 1 hands during squatting anal and spread her ass cheeks for gapes and spit in during doggy.
girl 2 does ATM when changing positions from squat to doggy
girl 3 and 4 suck guys' 3 and 4 dicks.

They exchange positions after a while (boys and girls).

[magizi877]

I forgot about this topic...

Anyways. I was watching some old porn videos I had on an unplugged hard drive (a 250 gb one I found while cleaning) and I saw this video featuring Christina Bella. This girl was so cute before all the "cosmetic surgery" ... /sigh. I hope girls like Karina Grand don't go much further. Getting off topic heh.

I wanted to share my opinion about a particular shot in this brazzers movie. Check it out.



The way she is standing makes her look extra beautiful. This just screams sexy out loud. She spread her legs just right, so that you can see both legs and the way she is standing on her tip toes, oh man. And the camera man was capturing her entire body. I cropped like maybe 15% off the picture, because I think he was a bit to far away, In the original file you can see the dude's entire body also and even more of the scenery, but I judge that to be unnecessary.

I reckon not all girls can bend their bodies exactly like this, but IMO this is something that is sorely missing in pretty much all LP videos of the past year, Not all, girls like Cayenne Klein, Stacy Snake,Jessica Swan or Mya Diamond, were really good at position their bodies in ways that were extra sexy to look at WHILE getting fucked.

This is why I'm not particularly fond of new girls, they are extra good at looking awkward while getting fucked. Sometimes you get a jackpot with girls like Luna that are just great out of the box. Just saying some extra effort should be made to teach the girls how to move. And I still can't understand why 90% of the footage is shot this close: (and the other 10% is just so oblivious its hilarious).



Recently somebody mentioned that Cayenne said she hated doing anal, and she is glad she doesn't have to do it anymore, blah blah, if that is true, maybe you people could ask her what was going through her head during the scene? how did she do it? I mean she looked like she was loving it. This is somewhat important to know as the studio shooting this stuff right? It could be the key that makes a girl looks so good. (ALL this girls are good looking but clearly some are really trying) Obviously keep it a secret, fans don't need to know.

So would you kindly shoot more full body shots (of the girl) it doesn't matter which postion she is in. And while doing so ask her to look extra sexy

[prophetman13]

hi

could you please shoot this angle more often??




i like your camera work but there is definitely a lack ok this angle....with the camera stuck in this position for at least 30/40 seconds

thanks

more of this please. more of this in cowgirl as well. best angle in porn.

[tgcfc26]

^ I'm not a big fan of that angle, you can't see the woman at all, just a pair of bollocks hammering away.

[scandal]

I totally agree with tgcfc26 that the camerawork is often poor in several scenes, not only in those mentioned above and I'm glad he pointed it out:

From my own experience as a filmmaker (e.g. wedding videos, sport events, private videos (e.g. vacation trips) and other) I can tell that the solution is very very simple:

Use at least 2 cameras to capture the action from at least one other additional angle - in the editing process you can boost the material by putting it all together as you like - starting e.g. with intensity....

This raises everything - on one hand the costs (but that should be worth it) but especially quality - so every coustumer should be satisfied - which would have a positive effect on ticket sales!

The example of the Brazzers Clip position is great in my personal opinion. This is a position which you could greatly intercut with CU-shots.... Only one of many possibilities....

I like intensity - and hell!!! - from the trailer my eye can tell if the scenes are great or lame....
Example: If many video effects are used in a trailer it means the the quality of the full video lacks of quality.
Good Movies don't need a high amount of effects...

Think about it, LP!

[utopiaa]

They already use 2 cameras in some scenes atleast, as can be seen in the Hotvideo.fr Mike Angelo videos. But on some scenes, especially the early ones the 2 camera made the scenes worse as they did some weird angles, so the other camera guy would be unseen.

[kidloco]

The problem is that they are not basically using the two cameras to cover one shot with different angles to make a good cut later in the post, but to cover
different action spots in more comlicated more crowded scenes at the same time, which seems like a good idea but actually it's not, because usually
when one camera captures hot action that should be captured with different shots, the other one is shooting a boring penetration or blowjob.

There's clearly lack of onsite in-action director - exactly what LP was after but didn't find yet. At least those two cameramen could communicate more and better
with each other about who's shooting what and how at any given moment.
Otherwise it's just double videotaping a sex reality show - that's good for an amateur site but doesn't stand for LP standards IMHO.

[dap-addict]

I think it would be better to just shoot more scenes with 1 girl only.
Or at least if it has to be 2 girls have them perform hot acts consecutive rather than at the same time and have just 1 camera switching from girl to girl.

[luithoran]

I think it would be better to just shoot more scenes with 1 girl only.
Or at least if it has to be 2 girls have them perform hot acts consecutive rather than at the same time and have just 1 camera switching from girl to girl.

+1 It would be better with 1 girl only because the camera is focused at 100% on her.

[Tastes Like Ass]

It makes it much easier to shoot scenes with multiple girls, if you pull the camera back, and get more full body shots, even when you are focusing on one girl. The reason the camerawork sucks in a lot of the multi-girl Gonzo scenes is because the camera guy is too focused on closeups and semi-closeups. As a result, he is constantly zooming in and out, as well as panning back and forth between the girls. All that camera movement is very disorienting and makes it hard to follow the action.

SOS and Giorgio do a better job, but if you really want to see how to shoot a scene with multiple girls and multiple guys, check out some of Jay Sin's old scenes that he did back in his Sineplex days. Plenty of full body shots, only occasional closeups, and slow, smooth transitions. Those scenes should be required viewing for any director that intends to shoot group scenes.

[SensHK33]

It makes it much easier to shoot scenes with multiple girls, if you pull the camera back, and get more full body shots, even when you are focusing on one girl. The reason the camerawork sucks in a lot of the multi-girl Gonzo scenes is because the camera guy is too focused on closeups and semi-closeups. As a result, he is constantly zooming in and out, as well as panning back and forth between the girls. All that camera movement is very disorienting and makes it hard to follow the action.

SOS and Giorgio do a better job, but if you really want to see how to shoot a scene with multiple girls and multiple guys, check out some of Jay Sin's old scenes that he did back in his Sineplex days. Plenty of full body shots, only occasional closeups, and slow, smooth transitions. Those scenes should be required viewing for any director that intends to shoot group scenes.

It hasn't been as bad as some of the previous crop of scenes. Still, if xxx thinks about it, if the camera work improves will it improve in sales? We won't know because in general the scenes have been shot in the same general manner for the longest period of time now, but with some improvements. I'm hoping XXX will think about a general full body view and reduced emphasis zooming in and out and test it out if sales improve. The delivery of the content is just as important as the content itself.

Just from my standpoint too much over emphasis on:
- zooming in or her ass everytime she pulls out
- Zooming in for ass licking
- Zooming in on face when she is sucking the dildo

I can understand some viewers want that, but it doesn't have to be done every single time. A nice complete full body shot with no zooming in or out for a good period of time still works and sometime improves the effect/appeal of the scene.
I would just be happier seeing her spread open while she is sucking that dildo with a full view of her.

But with that being said, the latest scenes I have bought have been pretty good although a bit more improvement with the camera work will surpass many of the other companies for content.

[kidloco]

You follow the action going on by wise cuts in the post, not with the actual movements of the camera. They can shoot multi girl scene even with 3 cameras, but
they have to know what to do, ie. shoot one girl with all 3 cameras at a time, or just 2 and use 3. one for general view, then you cut it in the right order and use the audio from one (if you don't have external mic which u should).

[sky_mds]

It would be great if there was a better balance between close ups and shots from far away.
If there is a beautiful woman in the scene (and there is always a beautiful woman) then the camera should complement their bodies by showing them a lot more than in close ups.
When one has to watch a dick penetrating a pussy for five minutes you're like "Ok, I get it. Show me something else!".
There should be more shots of the girls faces reacting, their breasts and their long legs should also be shown, especially during dp.

[SensHK33]

It would be great if there was a better balance between close ups and shots from far away.
If there is a beautiful woman in the scene (and there is always a beautiful woman) then the camera should complement their bodies by showing them a lot more than in close ups.
When one has to watch a dick penetrating a pussy for five minutes you're like "Ok, I get it. Show me something else!".
There should be more shots of the girls faces reacting, their breasts and their long legs should also be shown, especially during dp.

I totally agree. The latest batches have stopped the constant movement, only to return back to the close zoom in shots. Could the director/cameraman zoom out a bit more and keep that view constant.

Like 5 min of this view, then 5 of this view and then 5 of this if it is difficult to maintain.

[magizi877]

Disclaimer. Dear Gonzo studio, I love your work. But in my humble opinion, your camera work is noticeable less good than GG and Sineplex.

Hopefully what comes out in this post is interpreted as "constructive criticism".

Ever since I got this scene I thought "this is exactly what Gonzo needs to do".
I think it was captured by porn Jesus himself, Giorgio Grandi.



To be fair
Doggy DP is probably one of the hardest positions to capture correctly.
You have to find an angle that is the least obstructed by the men, but also, an angle that makes her look good.

But, in comes GG and does it, with 2 girls in the same frame.
And the result is so much better, than the usual Gonzo camera position, with just 1 girl.

Unfortunately when I make the gifs, I look for the best moments and at the same time, the moments that were best captured.
Meaning I don't have any gifs with poor camera work.

So I don't have any animated illustrations for comparison. But I swear, there is so MUCH footage
Where the gonzo camera man is shooting a closeup, pans out to a "wide shot"...
And even then, we can't see any more of the girl that we previously could, and all he is capturing as extra, with his wide shot, are the men upper body parts and more of the scenery.
And I'm like "epic fail" is so hilarious and sooooo wrong.

The reason why this is important is because, Gonzo probably does like half their scenes with 2 or more girls.
And what ends up happening is either, he is close to a girl in a way that you can't see whats happening to the other,
or his doing a wide shot, but capturing one while the other is obscured by the other performers, or she is cropped, or whatever.

Anyways, some key differences.

When Gonzo does a 2 girl scene, both girls are on the same sofa at the same distance from the camera, so to get a wide shot, the camera man would need to move too far out.
That's a reason why I figure he doesn't do it.

But GG figured that one girl is closer to the camera, in first plane. Cleverly using a different sofa.
While the other girl is in the background. So he can capture both while not being too far away from both.

And the result is so superior.
We can see everything we care about (mostly) while keeping the unwanted stuff to a minimal.

Another difference I think, is that gonzo must probably capture most stuff while standing still (on his feet)
While GG is probably squatting, crouching, or bend over. I dunno. It kind of looks that way.



By being nearer to the floor, GG can capture more of the girl. and less of the men.
Notice how in the one made by GG you can see the women chest, more of their legs, (the women's)
While in the Gonzo's you can only see her face and ass, and a lot more of men ass and legs.

[dap-addict]

These posts are so helpful, magizi87, I hope somebody in charge there really reads this!
Do you have any signs that is happeing?