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There is no need for big expensive orgies, a bunch of Dylan Brown, Mike Chapman, Yves Morgan, LittleMaly, BlackLine, Ed Junior, Tony Brooklyn, Mr. Longwood, Freddy Gong. 1 on 1 and 2 on 1 can work, and maybe the occasional 3 on 1. No pee drinking, and no DAP necessary, just good old school balls deep black cock penetration with facials.

It will drastically cut productions costs, it will increase the pool of girls available, and you can aim for quantity 40 minutes to 1 hour videos that can sell over time. Sometimes going back to basis is all that it takes.

Yes some people will get upset, some will not like it, some will go, but it will eventually growth things where you can again do whatever you want for a while, even PISS DAP orgies once the base growths, rinse and repeat.

If people leave is not like it hasn't happened before, so no big deal, plus the cuts in productions helps with prices, helps with growth, helps with new clients, it is basically a win / win, specially for older users that are happy with just goo balls deep BBC pounding.

It make take a good couple years to reach the orgy, DAP, piss levels again, but a pool of new models will be available for the future like the old wave of Kristy Black, Cindy Shine, Ria Sunn, Eveline Dellai, Anna De Ville, etc., just a new generation of hotties, and now that older generation will be the new MILFs, which is hot as well.

If only patience was an option, but with money I understand it is always difficult to wait.

Retaining a minimal BBC crew in opposition or also complementary to AGOs white crew is an idea, indeed!
I cant imagine users to go below DAP, though! Which doenst mean that some hot DP wouldn't sell and wouldn't be able to get new circles of porn users.

For this endeavor to work, GIO still would need to rent out some of his studio rooms to other productions in order to cut base costs.

dap-addict wrote:Retaining a minimal BBC crew in opposition or also complementary to AGOs white crew is an idea, indeed!
I cant imagine users to go below DAP, though! Which doenst mean that some hot DP wouldn't sell and wouldn't be able to get new circles of porn users.

For this endeavor to work, GIO still would need to rent out some of his studio rooms to other productions in order to cut base costs.

And the thing is that he can completely delegate and let those two years build the base. It would built the new generation of attractive girls performing, and it will built a base of new costumers. After a couple years the stars from that generation would more likely do DAP and not just DP because they are already established. Which is exactly what happened with the previous generation.

In the previous generation the only reason why we have these insanely hot stars like Ria Sunn is because for a while all they had to do is DP, so more girls are willing to do that. The only reason why the pool of girls is so small is because studios demand DAP and piss right away, and that scares attractive girls away. So you have to baby step it just like before.

Everyone loves balls deep, DP, BBC, and hot youngsters, so if you have that you can easily build again. The hardest thing would be the patience to go over that all over again, but if GIO is delegating it shouldn't be hard at all, he can just sit back and let it grow.

YuriyProneBone wrote:The hardest thing would be the patience to go over that all over again, but if GIO is delegating it shouldn't be hard at all, he can just sit back and let it grow.

I think he could commission such a project to Tony Brooklyn who failed with his own BBC studio project in Budapest and had to work as an actor again. He could direct and act at the beginning, than move to just directing.

What we dont know however is how much studio space Giorgio could rent out to him and what would be a feasible price for such an endeavor to work.

But for sure there is still a market potential for a BBC project.
But again I dont think Brooklyn could run it only on 1on1 anal and DP because EKS will eventually attract other BBC to work for them and also AGO might be tempted to build his own BBC crew on the debris of soon to be sacked GIO BBC crew. Both studios would offer wet BBC DAP because this is in their studio DNA.

There are too much unknown quantity of the reasons except the 2 things that Gio wrote: Tired and losing money.

Too much things changed during covid: Prices rised more than the double, a lot of studios appeared (this could means something good in terms of competitivity because would regulate the market) but i always thought that if all these new content released every day really could be supported, i mean... the sites used to released before like 4-5 scenes each day, today the number is insane.. Really the number of clients increased too much to cover the offer? Maybe i'm saying something crazy but all that offer could affect to the sales, if you have 1000 clients for 4 products, and now you offer 40.. i'm sure that the sales will be split.

Doesn't know if the fact of shoot mainly gangbangs is the real problem here, is not what the majority seem to pay for?

The establishment of some fetishes meaned the lost of some users, i guess that this affected to unknown customers, but i guess that the numbers should add up, if not i don't get the point of why the studios just established piss.

I'm agree that now seems something mandatory that the girls must do when 5-6 years ago, piss content was something shooted eventually, and surely this reduce the cast of them.

Other point for me that changed the picture in the site, was the fact of release 1 scene per day, like a decade ago, the studios released maybe 2 scenes per week. Not only gio, but this is something very ambicious, instead of offer 10-12 scenes per month, now we have 30-35 scenes per month, and i go back to my second paragraph.. the demand is to big to cover the offer?

I know that this could be just 1 or 2 points of the whole picture, also a lot of performers and directors started to want their piece of cake, someones have been stablished well, other just gone or are quite close..

I'm agree that reduce the number to 1-3 on 1 could help to reduce the cost, but something else should be added as addition to catch the attention, if not will be the same but with less guys in the scene and focusing more the content in anal/DP than DAP or pee.

If i compare this site with others porn sites, the other sites have the content very well organizated by genres and fetishes, here the mix is unevitable, the content is what it is, you cannot just go for an specific genre, except for dry or wet. I mean, there are site on you can see how they perfectly have different sections/series of content. Maybe this could help in general.

I could write more, adding the fact of how many girls gain a lot of money, even more than in porn productions, shooting poor and unprofessional content in their rooms, here the main factor is the costumer can interactuate directly and get custom content, satisfaying personal desires, even when the content is to forget.

misangrenegra2 wrote:There are too much unknown quantity of the reasons except the 2 things that Gio wrote: Tired and losing money.

Too much things changed during covid: Prices rised more than the double, a lot of studios appeared (this could means something good in terms of competitivity because would regulate the market) but i always thought that if all these new content released every day really could be supported, i mean... the sites used to released before like 4-5 scenes each day, today the number is insane..

That crazy price rise or TKT value devaluation by 35% in April 2022 was said to be an effect of inflation and fee rises, but from inside contacts I know one of main reasons was to eliminate all those small studios again.

It's exactly what happened, PAF and N&F and a few others died and GIO got more of a monopoly like position amongst Prague studios. But what they didnt forsee was that small studios shooting in Latin America could survive thanks to much lower local fees. They tried to solve this problem with new import deals, but it didnt work out and GIO complained that he lost money on most girls.
At the same time they had already killed the buying power of porn users, because TKTs were worth much less and daily number of released films still got bigger because of re-releases of old material. Some users must have jumped to a diet of 1,8-3,6TKT films instead of GIOs 9-18TKT films. Its natural.

Fees in Prague are too high for sustainable production there is no question about that, but EU girls wont perform demanding porn sex acts for much less than an average monthly income. They would maybe do it if they were offered really much more work, but that didnt happen because users dont buy so many scenes anymore. It's a vicious circle.

One way I see is that dry BBC DP/DVP trick Yuri proposed guided by his own viewer needs. DP/DVP is based on a fairly cheap fee a new studio could lower by good import deals. Big question is would users really go below wet and DAP? - Alienating old users and gaining new ones could work, however.
It's not in my own user interest, but indeed I see some potential in this idea.

On the other hand a new studio could consider 3on1 BBC wet + male fisted extreme power-fuck DAPs, maybe with some real submissive manhandle or bdsm based on the old Brazilian import deal and try to keep old users and gain new ones on the fetish fringes. Production cost would come down, maybe it would be sustainable.

YuriyProneBone wrote:There is no need for big expensive orgies, a bunch of Dylan Brown, Mike Chapman, Yves Morgan, LittleMaly, BlackLine, Ed Junior, Tony Brooklyn, Mr. Longwood, Freddy Gong. 1 on 1 and 2 on 1 can work, and maybe the occasional 3 on 1. No pee drinking, and no DAP necessary, just good old school balls deep black cock penetration with facials.

Sounds like you over-estimate studs fees in relation to girls sex act based fees.
2-3 BBC more is more expensive ofc, but DP isnt that much less expensive than DAP and wet isnt expensive really, but has proofed to broaden clients pool a lot.

Main trick would be to pay half or even 1/3 of girls Prague fee, while - and this is important! - paying still a fair win-win fee to the girl showing her appreciation.
I dont wanna go into details of past and possible future import deals, but building a new BBC studios talent pool on ex-LTP girls and Brazilian Mambo talent while shooting less high price EU and super-high-priced US girls could be a sustainable option.

Problem is this works only with a guaranteed pretty high import figure with a decent local scout percentage and many scenes offered per girl so that she still can earn decent $$$ in Europe. And this requires quite some upfront capital from any new studio.

Anyway, a simple simulation based on 10 wet 3on1 BBC DAPs with such import girls opposed to 10 local/EU/US girl wet 6on1 mixed team DAPs renders an up to 3 times lower travel cost included average sex act fee. A simulation based on imported 3on1 wet DAP talent vs. local 3on1 dry DP talent renders the import DAP option still 1,5 to 2 times cheaper.

dap-addict wrote:

misangrenegra2 wrote:There are too much unknown quantity of the reasons except the 2 things that Gio wrote: Tired and losing money.

Too much things changed during covid: Prices rised more than the double, a lot of studios appeared (this could means something good in terms of competitivity because would regulate the market) but i always thought that if all these new content released every day really could be supported, i mean... the sites used to released before like 4-5 scenes each day, today the number is insane..

That crazy price rise or TKT value devaluation by 35% in April 2022 was said to be an effect of inflation and fee rises, but from inside contacts I know one of main reasons was to eliminate all those small studios again.

It's exactly what happened, PAF and N&F and a few others died and GIO got more of a monopoly like position amongst Prague studios. But what they didnt forsee was that small studios shooting in Latin America could survive thanks to much lower local fees. They tried to solve this problem with new import deals, but it didnt work out and GIO complained that he lost money on most girls.
At the same time they had already killed the buying power of porn users, because TKTs were worth much less and daily number of released films still got bigger because of re-releases of old material. Some users must have jumped to a diet of 1,8-3,6TKT films instead of GIOs 9-18TKT films. Its natural.

Fees in Prague are too high for sustainable production there is no question about that, but EU girls wont perform demanding porn sex acts for much less than an average monthly income. They would maybe do it if they were offered really much more work, but that didnt happen because users dont buy so many scenes anymore. It's a vicious circle.

One way I see is that dry BBC DP/DVP trick Yuri proposed guided by his own viewer needs. DP/DVP is based on a fairly cheap fee a new studio could lower by good import deals. Big question is would users really go below wet and DAP? - Alienating old users and gaining new ones could work, however.
It's not in my own user interest, but indeed I see some potential in this idea.

On the other hand a new studio could consider 3on1 BBC wet + male fisted extreme power-fuck DAPs, maybe with some real submissive manhandle or bdsm based on the old Brazilian import deal and try to keep old users and gain new ones on the fetish fringes. Production cost would come down, maybe it would be sustainable.

In somehow you are "agree" with what i wrote.
The rise of TICKET price was the end of a lot customers, even in the forum a some of them said openly that were focused in old content.

Is hard to believe that the scenes we currently pay between 11-15 in average, used to cost between 4'5-6 TKTs.

Also you said too that the competitivy seems that splitted the sales, even with that, studios like PAF and NF fallen, but Latin studios resisted, i don't know currently how is going to LTP, but Natasha's studio is fine and Yummy studio is perfectly one of the tops studios, including some russian studios who still shooting.

Is what i wrote, the offer increased too much in relation to the demand.

All those factors maked that the costumers where more and more selective, also i'm sure that a lot of them just purchased a few scenes per month.

Is like you said: a vicious circle.. how can the customers still supporting all the offer when the prices is to high and there are a lot of scenes per day? sounds impossible, looks like an error of calcutation in the production system, i don't know if they expected attract a thousands of new costumers because if you offer a lot of content, should be there a lot of customers who want that. But seems that has been an overload of content that simply cannot be supported, even other top porn sites doesn't release each day something new.

Maybe back to the basis could help, less releases with good quality, starting for something less expensive than massive gangbangs but who knows..

misangrenegra2 wrote:

how can the customers still supporting all the offer when the prices is to high and there are a lot of scenes per day?

seems that has been an overload of content that simply cannot be supported, even other top porn sites doesn't release each day something new

It seems then that the market here is different from all others: if supply/competition increases, shouldn't the average ticket price for all studios fall? I'm confused.

M_sicas_Candido wrote:

misangrenegra2 wrote:

how can the customers still supporting all the offer when the prices is to high and there are a lot of scenes per day?

seems that has been an overload of content that simply cannot be supported, even other top porn sites doesn't release each day something new

It seems then that the market here is different from all others: if supply/competition increases, shouldn't the average ticket price for all studios fall? I'm confused.

Yes, notice that i wrote this "a lot of studios appeared (this could means something good in terms of competitivity because would regulate the market) but i always thought that if all these new content released every day really could be supported.."

The rule of the market is what you wrote, if there are more offering the "same" product (porn scenes), would be "reasonable" decrease the prices to look more attractive to the customers because if there are more and more offer, your target is catch the demand. In this porn site has been the opposite.

Between 2016 to begining of 2020 (more or less), were here no more than 5-6 studios? and the prices were incredible good (between 4'5 - 6 TKT), even less before that, you could support a lot of content spending a reasonable price.

That rule didn't work as should, you can check that in 2020 in forward, appear here new studios, and the price rised (scenes between 6,2 to almost 8), then, more studios and a lot of more new content (amateur, new studios, a lot of old random content added) brought us to this situation and the price is almost the triple than just 4 years ago.

I can understand that the covid and the inflation was a big damage to the productions, but you can see that offer a hundred of scenes each day doesn't mean that the prices will be more low.

My point, including that fact, was that if AV/LP counted with a X number of clientes before all those changes.. how can be possible offer 20x times more content each day if the "number of clients" (This is a guess, i don't buy that randomly the number of clients just increased several times to be able to support everything) didn't rise too much.

I think that was one of the problems, in a short time, appeared here several new studios trying to get their piece of cake, is leggit, but the customer were overloaded with too much content, including the need to pay almost the triple to support the same quantity as 4 years ago.. is almost impossible that the whole studios have a good balance, at least is something that i don't get it, maybe i'm wrong but this just looks splitted the sells (including the fact of release scenes each day)

misangrenegra2 wrote:My point, including that fact, was that if AV/LP counted with a X number of clientes before all those changes.. how can be possible offer 20x times more content each day if the "number of clients" (This is a guess, i don't buy that randomly the number of clients just increased several times to be able to support everything) didn't rise too much.

I think that was one of the problems, in a short time, appeared here several new studios trying to get their piece of cake, is leggit, but the customer were overloaded with too much content, including the need to pay almost the triple to support the same quantity as 4 years ago.. is almost impossible that the whole studios have a good balance

I think you have to distinguish between what I call core LP studios and amateur/re-release of old scenes studios.

Now of the new core LP studios we have NRX (Russia) gone due to internal Russian situation and LTP (Colombia) gone due to seemingly similar local problems. And than we have studios economically forced out of the market like N&F and PAF (Prague). Plus you may add smaller studios like Ferrero Anal Experience, RobbyBianchi (new releases) and LTV releasing under new GIO wing since more or less 1mt.
And you have also 4 new studios survivers - AGO, Mambo Perv, NTP and EKS.

If you analyze this further its no wonder that PAF Prague and N&F Prague were economically driven out not only by much higher output not met by higher demand, but because they couldnt compensate lowering TKT prices with much lower performers fees. PAF and N&F both were facing high Prague going rates.
I was in contact with PAF at the time (in 2021 or 2022) trying to broker a 2-DAP deal at a win-win rate for both girl and studio, realizing that they cant get Czech girls on the long run if they cant offer them a slightly higher rate than market dominating GIO and Gonzo.
AGO did it and was successful by creating a new style, but PAF and N&F basically just offered the users the same as GIO and Gonzo.

misangrenegra2 wrote:I think that was one of the problems, in a short time, appeared here several new studios trying to get their piece of cake, is leggit, but the customer were overloaded with too much content, including the need to pay almost the triple to support the same quantity as 4 years ago.. is almost impossible that the whole studios have a good balance, at least is something that i don't get it, maybe i'm wrong but this just looks splitted the sells (including the fact of release scenes each day)

If you are just a content provider as xxx was at that stage when he already commissioned Gonzo scenes in a kind of franchise it seems in your interest to have as many studios as possible. I suppose GIO is now wanna correct his mistakes by better release schedule control of the smaller studios he will release under his label.

But ofc misangrenegra is right about porn user budgets. With much higher TKT prices most users had to curb down their porn consumption. This resulted in less scenes sold and from this a vicious circle started because one of only production cost variable were performers fees. With OF, Fansly a.o. rises at same time performers were provided alternative incomes and wouldn't easily perform at lower pay. Big Prague studios like GIO and AGO could compensate this with multiple-scene-deals, but small studios with less cash flow like PAF and N&F couldnt usually offer more than 2-DAP-deals - and they didnt have the resources to invest into scouting at all. Florane Russell for instance constantly posted on social media they were looking for talent and paying 1k per DAP - a fee well below Prague going fee. You can easily see the effect comparing their talents quality with GIO and AGO. They did have popular girls, too ofc, but they also had to dwell on many less popular girls. Viscious circle.
Once they were out of business GIO was facing locally only AGO as competitor, but also had to realize that Latin American Studios are able to propose much lower TKT prices because of much lower local fees. They tried to compensate this by smart import deals, but at the end higher basic production costs drove GIO out, while only AGO stays, producing much cheaper from the very start despite about 25% higher fees payed and introducing a flat rate subscription a long time ago.

Btw, if you go back to our April 2022 price rise discussions you can read Giorgio claiming many times that xxx action of devaluating tickets is/was in GIO interest. Paradox is that in the end this decision kicked him out of production and not the new AGO studio!