Multiple girl scenes not selling anymore?

[dap-addict]

Just realized that multiple girl scenes perform really bad this month so far.
Don't know the overall trend for 2018 (yet).
But maybe worth discussing.

https://www.legalporno.com/best-videos/2018/06

GIO dominating TOP 10 of course, but only 2 multiple girl scenes amongst them.
Three girls scenes even with top selling Barbie Sins performing really bad.

[2017sucks]

Hate multi girl scenes generally, always want to see 1 girl full serviced, full attention on her. Also, good pairings are so rare. Recently Giorgio shooted Avi, Kira - best pairing ever and leaved Avi unfucked. Yeah, I know that reply "but that one selling well" gonna follow my post, but it could be even better, with at least 5 mins of cocks in Avi's asshole.

About recent 3 girls scene, it sells bad because of most boring girl on LP - Selvaggia! Tragic decision to shoot her with Barbie. But what piss me off the most are multi girl scenes in parts! I mean, fuck the shit out of them in 1 - 90 mins scene and leave us to get something new next evening!

[SimplyStunning]

Hate multi girl scenes generally, always want to see 1 girl full serviced, full attention on her.

+1

[misangrenegra2]

I prefer full focus in 1 girl full anal treatment. 2 Girls is OK if there are a good role-play perfomance. More girls is difficult to focus in they, you have to "choice" what do you want to see.

[pastaga]

I like scenes with 2 or 3 girls, especially when they play roles (= not fucked equally). 4+ girls starts to get hard to keep focus on the action.
I hope LP studios will keep shooting them !

[misangrenegra2]

But in June 5 of 10 are two girl scenes.

I like 2 girl scenes as long as the action is not "in parallel, side by side" ie, no interaction between the girls. If girl 1 is sucking girl 2's pussy or ass while while girl 2 is getting fucked soundly, that is hot.
If girl 1 is sitting and rubbing roughly on girl 2's face, while girl 2 is getting fucked, DAP, fisted, etc...that is hot. Girl 1 could lean forward and do some ATM, etc, or guy 3 could fuck girl 1 in the ass while she is sitting on girl 2's face, rubbing herself hard on girl 2's face. The combos are endless as long as there is interaction between the 2 girls, the nastier the better.

Unfortunately, it seems the routine is girls tease and play with each other in the beginning and once the guys come in the girls might as well be in separate rooms because there is no interaction between them, or not enough.

To each his own, obviously, but there is no reason, other than direction, that a 2 girl scene can't be just as hot as any other. The directors need to be creative and not just do the routine time after time.

If Selvaggia is boring, and I do not argue that to you she is, but she's an actress, She needs a director to DIRECT her. She seems more than willing to do the most vile things, and you gotta love that!

You explain my point of view very well.

That is a scene with 2 girls needs. Roleplay and coperate together. Dirty talk, girl 1 ass fucked or DAPed waiting to suck the gape/rosebud etc...

[Wotan29]

DIRTY TALKING

Unfortunately one of the most neglected things in Giorgio scenes. He has a tendency to turn models into "dead fish". Especiallyint two girls scenes dirty talking is an absolute must. No matter, if it's well acted or - even better - real. Recently there was a scene with the awesome Jolee Love and Selvaggia: The ONE AND ONLY sentence in the whole one hour scene was Selvaggia "Do you have something for me?" when she wants some cum in her mouth from Jolee. Sic! Some girls are so great at dirty talking (especially native english speakers). Let the talk, Giorgio! And why always these silent intros? It would be so much hotter, when the girl speaks to us viewers in the camera how she wants to be fucked hard by all the guys. And when she cheers on the guys during the scene to fuck her even harder and deeper in the ass.

Remember, Giorgio: Dirty talking makes EVERY good scene even better!

[error01x]

I dont watch the multiple girl scenes, because there is far to little lesbian action. The girls dont lick good the pussy like on lesbian porn sites. It just tip kissing and tip licking like the girls hate lesbian action. No passion for lesbian activities.

So, I only watch the solo girl scenes like 5on1, 1on1, 7on1, 10on1!

So to make this multiple scenes better I would put more real lesbian activities in it. Like 1 girl kiss the shit out of the other girl. Or really hard pussy sucking and rimming.

[Kaderon]

I pass on every multi girl scene no matter how hot the girls are. Multiple girls + multiple guys = total chaos. I don't need to see a meat mountain and hectic camera cuts every 10 seconds.

[Giorgio Grandi]

You have a really wrong idea of what sells and what doesnt sells.
The gap between "Top scenes selling" and "Average scene selling" now is somehow not so wide as before, means that a scene that is not at the top of "Top Selling List of the month", it still selling good.
2 main point:
- some scenes sells a lot, so it seams other scenes are not selling well, but they are actually selling properly
- is not possible to get every time a result that can sell over the average as we are human beings, it doesnt matter if 1 or 2 girls in the scene sometimes the result is NOT how we want (so it maybe sells less than usual)

[2017sucks]

Giorgio, you just maded your 2nd best pairing ever by my opinion, Amirah-Jolee! But please! Don't tell me that Amirah shooted just this one in this visit, like 4 months ago! We need more of Amirah alone! Need TDD with TP and Waka Waka! It's really sad that her only TP was in scene with Saha Zima. Also, we need a lot, lot more of Jolee alone and also TP! I mean, look, https://www.legalporno.com/model/3802/jolee_love this is really discrimination of guys who don't watch (or doing that rare) multi girl scenes.

[Giorgio Grandi]

I was very happy to pair Amira with Jolee, but when I started to shoot I got into doubts, they did not match.
Im happy with the result, but I do not think the scene really hits "visually", there is something that doesnt not capture my attention enough: both models are beautiful, but they do not match together imho.

Giorgio, you just maded your 2nd best pairing ever by my opinion, Amirah-Jolee! But please! Don't tell me that Amirah shooted just this one in this visit, like 4 months ago! We need more of Amirah alone! Need TDD with TP and Waka Waka! It's really sad that her only TP was in scene with Saha Zima. Also, we need a lot, lot more of Jolee alone and also TP! I mean, look, https://www.legalporno.com/model/3802/jolee_love this is really discrimination of guys who don't watch (or doing that rare) multi girl scenes.

[tekaneo]

Forum doesnt represent the totally of all LP buyers.

End.

[2017sucks]

I was very happy to pair Amira with Jolee, but when I started to shoot I got into doubts, they did not match.
Im happy with the result, but I do not think the scene really hits "visually", there is something that doesnt not capture my attention enough: both models are beautiful, but they do not match together imho.

Giorgio, you just maded your 2nd best pairing ever by my opinion, Amirah-Jolee! But please! Don't tell me that Amirah shooted just this one in this visit, like 4 months ago! We need more of Amirah alone! Need TDD with TP and Waka Waka! It's really sad that her only TP was in scene with Saha Zima. Also, we need a lot, lot more of Jolee alone and also TP! I mean, look, https://www.legalporno.com/model/3802/jolee_love this is really discrimination of guys who don't watch (or doing that rare) multi girl scenes.

ok, so why don't shoot more Amirah alone and more Jolee alone?

[dap-addict]

You have a really wrong idea of what sells and what doesnt sells.
The gap between "Top scenes selling" and "Average scene selling" now is somehow not so wide as before, means that a scene that is not at the top of "Top Selling List of the month", it still selling good.

Thanks, Giorgio.
I dont know the exact numbers of course, also I dont know the exact investment in each scene and their profit performance. I am thus very glad multiple girls scenes still pay fine.
This said, isn't there still a tendency that they sell less than in the beginning of 2018 (Jan/Feb/Mar)?
And what in your POV makes a top seller multiple girl scene?
Interaction between girls or their girls rank only?

[Wotan29]

This is a very honest statement. Thank you for that, Giorgio! There is a simple solution: Match Jolee with more guys and less girls.
(And for my sake Amirah also. she´s a great girl, too.)

Did you read my following comment in the Jolee Love thread? What are your thoughts about i?
Sorry, if it sounds a bit harsh in places. Sometimes your biggest fans are also your biggest critics. Me, too.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Wotan29, we try to do what is possible to do, not all the performers are able to perform how I would love...

[Giorgio Grandi]

There is no general "down tendency" for scenes with multiple girl on 2018, not at all.

Top sellers are in general a mix of Good Action and Good Girls, if one of the 2 factors lacks, then the scene wont be a top seller.

You have a really wrong idea of what sells and what doesnt sells.
The gap between "Top scenes selling" and "Average scene selling" now is somehow not so wide as before, means that a scene that is not at the top of "Top Selling List of the month", it still selling good.

Thanks, Giorgio.
I dont know the exact numbers of course, also I dont know the exact investment in each scene and their profit performance. I am thus very glad multiple girls scenes still pay fine.
This said, isn't there still a tendency that they sell less than in the beginning of 2018 (Jan/Feb/Mar)?
And what in your POV makes a top seller multiple girl scene?
Interaction between girls or their girls rank only?

[Wotan29]

@Giorgio:
So that means JOLEE is not able to perform how you would LOVE to? That surprises me, because she started her porn career "from 0 to 100" with your two DAP Gangbangs (and has lately shot a Sperma Gangbang for German GGG Studio). I know it´s a job, but I really thought she´s a true slut willing to do almost anything. According the dirty talking: It really would pe a pleasure, if you allow more dirty talking or even encourage the models to do it. I know some girls can´t do that, but other girls are so damn good at it. And I´m only talking about the other girls!

[dap-addict]

Wotan, have you ever heard of people having good and bad days?
And have you ever considered porn is an entertainment industry with users fantasies sold and ideally mixed with performers fantasies, but the latter ideally only?
If you watched your fare of porn you may have noticed that Jollee sure is hot, but she's also a lot of fake. She's not a Monika Wilde, she's Jollee Love and you have to live with it.

There is no general "down tendency" for scenes with multiple girl on 2018, not at all.

Top sellers are in general a mix of Good Action and Good Girls, if one of the 2 factors lacks, then the scene wont be a top seller.

You have a really wrong idea of what sells and what doesnt sells.
The gap between "Top scenes selling" and "Average scene selling" now is somehow not so wide as before, means that a scene that is not at the top of "Top Selling List of the month", it still selling good.

Nice to hear there is no "down tendency", Giorgio!
Really glad to hear that because two-part 2-3 girls scenes should perform still really fine for your story based scenes to be reactivated.

Next than or course its a mix. Lets see how Amina & Jollee sell. Both girls are top taken alone, but they have to coop fine, too That was a big risk to take by you I see now.
Barbie Sins and Selvaggia are good sellers alone, too. But problem with Selvaggia is she isn't new anymore. Amina neither, but she has worked very little for you.

I wonder do you have top girls with a genuine lez drive?
Lez not dom!


I dont need them, I hate let porn, but I do still wonder.

[Giorgio Grandi]

I dont have anything to say about the performance of Jolee or Amira, they did a good job.
A scene is every time a team work: performers (male and female) cameraman, makeup, outfits and post production that bring to "model looking" and "action". Sometime there is something is missed in my opinion, but you can see the result only after the shooting, so probably it's my fault

[SimplyStunning]

No DP and / or TP in the scene

[SimplyStunning]

Replying to what Giorgio grandi may have missed in jolee/amirah scene above

[dap-addict]

We dont even know part 2 yet, Simply!

I dont have anything to say about the performance of Jolee or Amira, they did a good job.
A scene is every time a team work: performers (male and female) cameraman, makeup, outfits and post production that bring to "model looking" and "action". Sometime there is something is missed in my opinion, but you can see the result only after the shooting, so probably it's my fault

Isnt the clue the mood between the girls, the way they co-op or they dont?
As director you can direct them to kiss, touch, lick, slurp etc. but if they dont feel it it looks all too fake at a point. Or they even sort of avoid each other.

Btw, Giorgio, would be still interesting to get your feeling on the Barbie Sins/Selvaggia/Ellen Betsy scene?

[tagaydosh]

[quote="Giorgio Grandi"]I was very happy to pair Amira with Jolee, but when I started to shoot I got into doubts, they did not match.
Im happy with the result, but I do not think the scene really hits "visually", there is something that doesnt not capture my attention enough: both models are beautiful, but they do not match together imho.

I think the pairing and the scene was awesome. But I also agree with others that it was almost too good to be true: Amirah with Jolee. I think it has to do with submissiveness vs. dominance. Amirah can be dominant, but she is always so hot when she is getting pounded submissively. Jolee is still finding herself as a performer. Jolee is submissive in a slutty promiscuous way, while Amirah is more of a bondage fuck-doll in my eyes. Both Amirah and Jolee could use some treatment from Tina Kay, lol. The outfits were great, but didn't complement each other. I applaud Amirah and Jolee for trying and it certainly turned into a great scene that I loved. Maybe something more kinky and dirty could be done with the cumshots, or possible fisting.

[dap-addict]

Where do you real see some sub/dom play in this scene, especially part 2?

[teammelee15]

I dont have anything to say about the performance of Jolee or Amira, they did a good job.
A scene is every time a team work: performers (male and female) cameraman, makeup, outfits and post production that bring to "model looking" and "action". Sometime there is something is missed in my opinion, but you can see the result only after the shooting, so probably it's my fault

That or it's just that Amira (IMHO) looks like a bird and is not attractive in the least bit. Plus side is she looks like shes lost some weight but still

[Giorgio Grandi]

About "Barbie Sins/Selvaggia/Ellen Betsy", sales are 10% under the "yearly monthly average", the think is that my monthly average in June is pretty high. Consider that 9 "dry scene" in the best seller list of June, made it to the top 100 ever (+ other 3 scene "not wet" that are not showed in the top 100 and and are above Ms black part 1 (GIO689).
In 2 words, from the list of Top Seller for June, I placed 13 scenes in the top 15, 10 dry and 3 wet. From the 10 dry scenes, 9 made it to the top 100.

We dont even know part 2 yet, Simply!

I dont have anything to say about the performance of Jolee or Amira, they did a good job.
A scene is every time a team work: performers (male and female) cameraman, makeup, outfits and post production that bring to "model looking" and "action". Sometime there is something is missed in my opinion, but you can see the result only after the shooting, so probably it's my fault

Isnt the clue the mood between the girls, the way they co-op or they dont?
As director you can direct them to kiss, touch, lick, slurp etc. but if they dont feel it it looks all too fake at a point. Or they even sort of avoid each other.

Btw, Giorgio, would be still interesting to get your feeling on the Barbie Sins/Selvaggia/Ellen Betsy scene?

[dap-addict]

Thanks for this convincing answer, Giorgio!
I was just getting worried a bit.

So in terms of time and money invested do multiple girls scenes still perform better than single girls scenes?
What do you prefer to shoot yourself?

[Giorgio Grandi]

Its not a question of profit, its a question of audience. I think there is an audience for "double girls" scene as there is a audience for "one girl scene". The wider your audience the better it is

[tekaneo]

Its not a question of profit, its a question of audience. I think there is an audience for "double girls" scene as there is a audience for "one girl scene". The wider your audience the better it is

And this is why i said that forum doesnt represent the totally of all LP buyers with your phrase resume all. Thanks for making double/triple or more girls scenes because as you say there is an audience for them in which I include myself

[dap-addict]

And this is why i said that forum doesnt represent the totally of all LP buyers with your phrase resume all. Thanks for making double/triple or more girls scenes...

Forum represents users pretty well, just here we have more dedicated and better informed users with probably more refined fetishes, probabely a bit more picky ones, too.
But to be clear, Giorgio and all concerned, count me in of course, too!
I really like these 2-3 girl DAP competition like scenes.
Sometimes its difficult to fellow the action, sometimes the hottest is missed because there is only 1 camera and it has to focus, but I still like it all in all.
I am also a big fan of those simultaneous double or triple DAP frames!

This said all good girls also deserve single girl scenes often - and not only in their DAPbreakin' scene.

[dap-addict]

Its not a question of profit, its a question of audience. I think there is an audience for "double girls" scene as there is a audience for "one girl scene". The wider your audience the better it is

Sure!
Thanks, Giorgio!
But does it mean you dont produce for the partly lesbian g/g play audience, but just the two-99% hetero-girl audience?

[2017sucks]

Giorgio, you would be good politician. Speaks too much and say nothing. No answer about more Amirah alone and more Jolee alone. Also, what happened with Amina Danger? You promised more scenes few months ago and still nothing. viewtopic.php?p=171453#p171453

[Giorgio Grandi]

I have y personal holiday soon and my cameraman still stucks in russia waiting the working permission.. I do what I can, I cant shoot everything I would like...

[2017sucks]

Not sure. You could shoot Ria Sunn Wet scene at any time and you didn't. And now she retired. Luis and Stefano (GGG) shooted her Wet scenes and you didn't.

[tekaneo]

I have y personal holiday soon and my cameraman still stucks in russia waiting the working permission.. I do what I can, I cant shoot everything I would like...

Do you have enough material shot to keep us busy during your vacation with 1 scene/day?

[2017sucks]

Yes, don't worry. Tons of Selvaggia surely waiting us. Do you know her? It's some newbie, never shooted for Giorgio before, but I can bet lot of material waiting us.

[dap-addict]

I have y personal holiday soon and my cameraman still stucks in russia waiting the working permission.

Oh, no!
I keep my fingers crossed, Giorgio!
One thing is sure: You deserve a good family holiday!

Btw, good you have unreleased 37 scenes in stock; still I hope you dont have to use more than 10 of them and can keep the others for other crisis situations.
This said, about not shooting Ria Sunn in time; I'd also like to know why?
Maybe just no shooting slot free when she was readily available? Maybe she asked just too much for it?

[2017sucks]

I have y personal holiday soon and my cameraman still stucks in russia waiting the working permission.

Oh, no!
I keep my fingers crossed, Giorgio!
One thing is sure: You deserve a good family holiday!

Btw, good you have unreleased 37 scenes in stock; still I hope you dont have to use more than 10 of them and can keep the others for other crisis situations.
This said, about not shooting Ria Sunn in time; I'd also like to know why?
Maybe just no shooting slot free when she was readily available? Maybe she asked just too much for it?

Asked too much? It would be in top 5 or top 3 best sellers quickly after release!