Is the studio of Giorgio Grandi officially dead?

[vile1899]

I miss those days when we got 2 scenes per day, now its all reload or some shit like bts or interviews, and when we actually get a new one its like "meh". Giorgio get caught hearing some shit suggestions here and lost the aura of his scenes, which where in my opinion the best in all of porn. What really happened that cause this big downfall?

[torreycanyon616]

Yes. Nowadays it is all Latin, amateur material, reloads from many years ago and old scenes from other studios. The site has gone to waste a long long time ago.

[dap-addict]

What really happened that cause this big downfall?

There has already been so many discussions about it!
I'd now break it down to Giorgio turning 50yo soon and just needing a change in his life goals, plus you may add he wanted more profit than he could generate against the backlash of OF and pretty high base studio needs due to many employees.

[hjohjole]

Dead? Giorgio Grandi has retired from porn. He is probably running a successful fridge magnet business right now and he STILL manages to bang out a good solid five or so scenes with Vittoria Devine each and every month.
Now that is pretty fucking impressive i would say.

[peshmerga]

Why didn't Marco Nero take the helm of the studio? a changing of the guard between two Italians would have been more reassuring

[hjohjole]

Who cares? Who cares what person Giorgio has hired to keep pumping out this trash?

[xxxEVOxxx]

I do not think GIORGIO GRANDI studios is dead, in fact I very much think it is still alive and going in a different direction.

[Christopher_Williams1]

I've been following the situation closely. This is definitely not at the 2022 level of awesomeness, but things did improve from the first 8 months of the year. I would love to have more content to choose from, but I think Andrew needs to look after himself too. There's no denying that releasing every day will cause each scene to bring in less revenue. The pace right now is okay, but I would love to see more BBC porn. However, that scene with Leila Botwin provided enough BBC for me to get the same level of satisfaction that I tend to get from BBC porn. That scene had 3 black guys and the good ones too.

[dap-addict]

Why didn't Marco Nero take the helm of the studio? a changing of the guard between two Italians would have been more reassuring

That was what I heard and hoped for as well.
No idea what happened.

[xxxEVOxxx]

Last night was a poor day of releases, with no releases that we considered worthy of purchasing on 10th October.
We are hoping that as tonight is a Friday, and it is getting ready for the weekend...that there will be a lot of top releases in 2 hours' time.

My husband has been on very busy, work trip, and he has been volunteering to put the children to bed at night so has not been so active on here.
Both of us would love to see some strong scenes being released tonight.

[lp-fan]

I've just bought this two scenes with Rebel Rhyder and Brittany Bardot:
I am finally with Brittany Bardot (wet) doing extreme kinky stuff, 2on2 DAP/Fisting, prolapse, Pee Drink, Squirt & Creampie Swallow from 2024-06-20
and
Me and Brittany Bardot (wet) orgy with DAP, Fisting, Monster Prolapse, Pee Drink, Squirt, Cum in Mouth Swallow from 2024-06-22

Damn these are so hot and pervy.

I fear we won't get scenes like this anymore since Giorgio has retired.

[nomduac]

Great scenes are still coming out...I agree all the RELOADED scenes do make the feeds hard to read, I wish there was a filter so I could just see the new scenes...but you have to admit, the scenes being re-released as reloadeds are fucking classics.

I don't know what GG is up to these days. Maybe he's directing, maybe he's playing dominoes in a nice park with his family, and if so, he's more than earned the right. The man could release no more scenes for the rest of his life, and still get into the porn hall of fame.

Not that I don't want Gio to make any new scenes...but I only want him to make them if HE wants to make them. I mean let's face it, the man's an artist, and if he doesn't feel like making new work, we shouldn't criticize him; instead, we should appreciate all the wonderful art he produced in the past, and put respect on his name

GG, if you're out there, I hope you're doing well, taking care of yourself and the people you love, and spending time doing things that make you happy. thanks for all the good times <3


Just my two cents ;]

[xxxVIPERxxx]

Giorgio Grandi deserves his rest. He should definitely be inducted in to the porn Hall of Fame one day.

I remember a post I made in the past about him being semi-retired, but he suggested that he was still very active but just less active and taking more of a behind the scenes, and backward step.

Whatever he is doing right now. Many people just want to wish him well and good luck.

[lp-fan]

As you can see, the great times of super-duper Christmas and New Year Updates are over here.

[Christopher_Williams1]

They had to restructure the business for success. While we don't get the same level of frequency (which I advocated for lower frequency in order to improve the company's financial health), the brand name stays alive and that's a positive.

[Adorss]

There's no such thing as death. There is just start and end of cycles. Studio Giorgio Grandi death = new life, re-birth of porn.

[moartinsteglich]

Its pretty much dead.

Looking at the statistics, the studio lowered its output since Q3 2024 by around 75-85% at least (not counting "RELOAD" as output).
The previous stars are gone and those who stayed during 2025 (Emily Pink, Jureka del Mar, Alexxa Vice ...) havent had any scenes in ages.
There are around 2-3 good girls (definitely Anna de Ville, Nuria Milan, maybe Indy Lix) who produce the most selling scenes on here and keep the studio alive.

The market struggles in general. Gonzo is gone since 2023, yummy is also gone, NTF inactive as well and Angelo puts out a scene every 1-2 weeks. Makes total sense. Exclusive and model content gained popularity and the entire porn industry is oversaturated. There are just not enough consumers.

Andrew X misses an opportunity right now. There are no studios (paragraph above) actively producing hardcore content in this niche. There should be sufficient people to buy his scenes, he has room to scale. People are just tired and leaving (see forum activity), because all this RELOAD and a scene every now and then bullshit with the same or uninteresting models has no appeal for people to stay and wait here.

I think that this way to lead the studio, is what got it here in the first place. He took over a major studio (1-2 scenes daily) and crashed the upload rate on an instant. Maybe it was intentional and the studio wasn't profitable in the first place. If not, Giorgio Grandi / Andrew X needs to take a risk at this point. Gamble for the future (invest more money right now) to regrow the studio in order to save it, or keep going and drain the name Giorgio Grandi until no one buys his scenes anymore.

[hyapet]

It's not necessarily that the porn market is oversaturated - it's directionless - and not just this - the quality of the girls is going down.

Liberalism essentially destroys everything it touches - and seeing as it adheres so adamantly to group-think dynamics - women have been most affected by this scourge. What this translates to is "female empowerment" letting women tell other women what "beauty" and "beautiful" actually are. And the results have been wretched.

Girls with piercings and tattoos (and such low quality and shitty ones too) proliferate every single scene shot anywhere. Gone is femininity. Hello biker moms! Every girl, sixteen and up, looks like a member of the Hells Angels. And acts like it too. For all intents and purposes - we're watching people fuck burly men who just happen to have a pair of plastic tits thrown on them.

Is this a bit of an exaggeration? A touch perhaps - but the overall effect is the same. You see a "new hot young girl" enter porn - just that - she isn't. Like some kind of sci-fi horror movie - you can see where a girl at the age of 23 has already had multiple plastic surgeries - you see her body plastered with tattoos so ugly, they serve simultaneously to signal to her think-group that she believes what they do, which is to say, she hates herself too. And this comes across in the scene where she's not there to explore, or do something naughty, or be caught by surprise - but rather - to prove a point.

All of these things, by themselves, could kill an erection quicker than a sloppy naked grandma. But put together?

Fucking yikes!

The hottest ones? Who didn't do any of this? That were smart enough to do research into what men actually really like? Cosplaying as the hottest video game/anime girls that they know the guys love (and who they most closely resemble)? They're over on OF, almost showing a nipple, raking in millions.

Meanwhile - many of the newer generation that like traditional porn - but can't fucking find any of it anywhere that's actually decent - try their hand at AI porn.

Want to know what the most remarkable thing about AI porn is? In all the commercials I see for it - in all the videos I've watched - no nose rings - zero tattoos. Soft, curvaceous, pure super young hot girls bending over and doing all sorts of fun things.

Yes - it's not real. And the fact that it's actually entering into such a crowded market so easily should tell you how well the average porn viewer is getting serviced elsewhere.

Finally - there's the in-house crowd. Half of us want to see the girl drinking piss - the other half doesn't. Half the crowd is sick of all the literal male assholes crowding up the screen and the male talent acting like subs to the girls by licking their feet - the other half eats it up. Half the crowd cheers the loudest when some 59 year old blimp saunters into the room - the other half pleads to get some new talent into the studio under 30 that doesn't look like a skid-mark.

All of these preferences are working against each other at the same time - so that - when a scene releases - Andrew's lucky if 30% of the crowd remains interested at all in it.

I mean - it's easy to point the finger at Andrew and decry that he's missing this or not doing that right. And heck - who knows - some of that may actually be right. But I think it's also important to notice how much the things surrounding porn have changed as well. And that Andrew isn't descended from up high - able to determine and do things based on will alone. He may be looking at a very tight budget where - putting some money down on new models is going against the guaranteed profit (however meager) of getting the traditional crew to line up like they always have. Honestly - I wouldn't want to be faced with the decisions he is. No doubt I'd make a few better ones (of course) - but overall - the man definitely isn't in an easy position.

[clevertrevor]

Here we go, yet more screed from someone who should perhaps allow themselves to leave their basement, and get some sunshine on their face.

[hyapet]

Here we go, yet more screed from someone who should perhaps allow themselves to leave their basement, and get some sunshine on their face.

Typically, when smart people disagree with others, they attack the arguments, not the person.

Seems like naming yourself clever was a bit of an oversell, huh?

[TheVulture]

Liberalism essentially destroys everything it touches - and seeing as it adheres so adamantly to group-think dynamics - women have been most affected by this scourge. What this translates to is "female empowerment" letting women tell other women what "beauty" and "beautiful" actually are. And the results have been wretched.

It's weird that you assign the downfall of porn to liberalism. I don't know if the angry, misogynistic slant to porn since about 2010 that I abhor is the principle factor (I suppose I think and hope this in equal measure - the hope means a way out that runs parallel with my lust fantasies) but I'm 100% sure that it isn't down to liberalism.

What would liberalism mean in porn? I suppose maybe 2 things:

1. The generally accepted definition of "liberal" leading to lots of different versions of porn (so yes, some "manhandle" etc.) but very definitely not with the same tone running throughout all of it (again we're back to manhandle/male aggression, which exists in about 95% of modern porn scenes to at least some degree, even if we're only talking the odd face slap or throat grab, which didn't exist pre-2010).

2. The social/political positioning of "liberal", which would translate to an empowerment of women in the industry and the avoidance of anything portraying them in a negative light, eg aggression, humiliation, de facto subservience etc.

Whichever of these you apply - or applying both, if you wish - it is clear that liberalism either hasn't tried to assert itself on porn or has and has failed miserably.

Can you clarify what you mean by "liberalism". I like your style generally but I fear this is your sort of knee-jerk response to anything you find disappointing, symptomatic of people with a very market-driven, consumer-focused (and perhaps but not always right wing) take on things. It's much easier, after all, to blame all those pesky do-gooders out there than face up to difficult self-analysis, even when there is precious little evidence of any do-gooders in your vicinity.

[hjohjole]

Girls with piercings and tattoos (and such low quality and shitty ones too) proliferate every single scene shot anywhere. Gone is femininity. Hello biker moms!

Look! You are one of the fucking cuckolds who are begging on their knees for a new scene with Alexxa Vice in the thread "Please bring Alexxa vice back"
A woman that looks like this.

Did liberalism force you to spend all your money on Alexxa Vice scenes?
It didn't occur to you that maybe they would produce less trash porn if people did not pay money for trash porn?
You dont think that is part of the problem? People with shit taste like yourself and the lazy low effort porn producers that caters to them.

Feminism has not even done half the damage to porn compared to the damage that the porn industry willingly has done to itself.

[TheVulture]

Feminism in modern porn?

This is satire by this point, right?

[xxxVIPERxxx]

GIO studios is not officially dead, it has been taken over by Andrew X, who has moved the studio in a slightly different direction where future proofing, seeking value, and cost cutting measure have taken place to ensure the long term survival of the studio.

[hyapet]

It's weird that you assign the downfall of porn to liberalism. I don't know if the angry, misogynistic slant to porn since about 2010 that I abhor is the principle factor (I suppose I think and hope this in equal measure - the hope means a way out that runs parallel with my lust fantasies) but I'm 100% sure that it isn't down to liberalism.

What would liberalism mean in porn? I suppose maybe 2 things:

1. The generally accepted definition of "liberal" leading to lots of different versions of porn (so yes, some "manhandle" etc.) but very definitely not with the same tone running throughout all of it (again we're back to manhandle/male aggression, which exists in about 95% of modern porn scenes to at least some degree, even if we're only talking the odd face slap or throat grab, which didn't exist pre-2010).

2. The social/political positioning of "liberal", which would translate to an empowerment of women in the industry and the avoidance of anything portraying them in a negative light, eg aggression, humiliation, de facto subservience etc.

Whichever of these you apply - or applying both, if you wish - it is clear that liberalism either hasn't tried to assert itself on porn or has and has failed miserably.

Can you clarify what you mean by "liberalism". I like your style generally but I fear this is your sort of knee-jerk response to anything you find disappointing, symptomatic of people with a very market-driven, consumer-focused (and perhaps but not always right wing) take on things. It's much easier, after all, to blame all those pesky do-gooders out there than face up to difficult self-analysis, even when there is precious little evidence of any do-gooders in your vicinity.

Liberalism, or really, any kind of movement, acts in certain predictable ways. One of the main ways all movements tend to propagate themselves unto the next generation is that there are ideas or "virtues" locked within "the previous generation" that translate specifically well to the situations/circumstances faced by the next generation. These then get adopted - "mainstreamed" - and then venerated as the idea upon which the movement itself is based. Often, the previous generation's "masters" that specifically praised or pushed said ideal/idea/format are then celebrated as the "leading figures of the previous generation."

In liberalism's case - or in feminism's - or both, really - what started out as an affront to the traditional "patriarchal-based society" soon became untenable by the younger generations that no longer had either husbands or fathers, for the most part, to rebel against. Or at least not any that could hold the "traditional role" such figures traditionally stood for without getting either the police or child services called upon them.

Lacking a central figure to essentially "rebel against" - this targeting essentially got translated to "any man that breathes" - seeing as there's only one way for (radical) movements to extend their lifelines - and that's by becoming more extreme. So now - masculinity itself was under attack merely for existing. Gone were the days of "We want equality!" And in were the days of "All men are evil!"

The other component to this which ties directly into everything is the sexual revolution. Here it too transformed from, "I don't have to get married to be in a relationship with a man," to, "I don't have to be in a relationship with a man to have sex," to, "I can have sex with whoever I want at any given time."

Okay - but ... where to go from here?

Enter pornography. The last stop on the absolute degradation line. Thing is - the industry as it were was full of threats and gambles and, the pool of actual starlets being "so small" in comparison to the overall population, there was still the last sting of cast-away-edness to the entire thing. One was essentially removing oneself from respectable society by doing such a thing.

But ... feminism had nowhere to go! If only there were a way that everybody could be a pornographic whore - and not have to endure the actual threats that came with the territory ... and then it happened!

Enter OF! Well - here we go! Everyone can flood the Internet with pictures of their naked body - to prove their bona-fides to the cause - and rail against the patriarchy that no longer really exists - and by doing so - accomplish a spot on the hierarchical order of feminism/modernity/liberalism.

Other activities that place one on this totem pole include: getting shitty six-year old drawings plastered all over yourself with permanent ink. Drilling holes into various parts of your body. Changing genders. Anything to essentially shit upon the traditional aesthetics and understandings of what beauty actually is. Can't have a revolution if you don't rebel!

Coupled with the hatred they drill into these people based on their "lacking liberalism points" - with extra attention paid to you if you're: white, straight, or can think for yourself - all thanks to every learning institution from kindergarten to university - most girl's place their entire worth on how much they either hate themselves based on these metrics or have conformed to a cult that wants to objectively make them uglier for the sake of how much everyone literally hates them.

Liberalism has changed over the past fifteen years. Everything has. Conservatism used to mean "Be a good Christian and want the government to be out of your affairs." And now it means, "Get all the illegals out of our countries and try to restore any semblance of traditional society that we can to the best of our ability."

What is Conservatism now used to just be "centrist thinking." It's because of the liberals having been in power for so long that the definition of everything shifted away - following liberalism itself like a magnet. And liberalism - based not on a centrist ideal that can accomplish and meet it's own means and ends - but rather a continuous conquest or "revolution" that needs to overthrow the "wrong doers" - always needed to push things further left just in order to justify existing at all.

So - what was once, "Respect women's spaces!" became, "Let trans men into your bathroom so their balls can hang out of their bathing suit in your face - or else you're a TERF!"

And likewise - what was once, "Respect women's bodies!" became, "You're not really on the forefront of the movement unless you're hyper-sexualizing yourself towards everyone, at all times, and everywhere! From the Internet to the college dorm!"

Just as the trans men in public spaces provides an ironical self-own - so too is it ironical that the very fantasies women actually have - and which are now encouraged to flow free and unencumbered - involve them getting choked, hit, slapped, bitten, and completely dominated. Heightened, no doubt, by the fact that all actually traces of traditional masculinity have been purged from their lives.

No doubt there are men interested in said genres as well - but in a world in which almost everything is run, controlled, overseen, or participated in by women - it's odd that "aggressive porn" has exploded to such a degree.

I mean - if we were to believe what liberalism told us fifteen years ago - you'd swear it'd have to be the exact opposite.

[hyapet]

Just as the trans men in public spaces provides an ironical self-own ...

Sorry, that should be, "Just as the trans men in women's spaces provides an ironical self-own (for traditional liberalism) ...

[TheVulture]

There's some interesting stuff in there but what the hell is this bit?

but in a world in which almost everything is run, controlled, overseen, or participated in by women

That surely can't be a serious comment.

I get the idea of OF being "liberal" in a sense....I suppose only in that it softens porn to the point that pretty much any girl can easily partake of it without too much worry of stigma or doing any of the hard yards associated with hardcore porn. Still, it misses the point. Liberalism/feminism in porn would only be achieved when women are in control (or at least equal players) and engaging in exactly the acts of their choosing. What evidence is there that the girls on OF are sexually satisfied? Me, I watch the likes of Julie Silver and Lucy Lee in the Private era and I see horny young women getting their rocks off whilst leaving behind a body of work that entirely preserves their dignity (at least in so far as hardcore porn can). Is it possible to say the same of girls in hardcore porn today? Clearly not. And OF doesn't really count, because it's merely a capitalist outpost for savvy women who don't want to engage with their inner lust and fantasies, just fleece the most gullible blokes out there.

It seems to me that around 2006 porn had the potential to become at least slightly "feminist". More producers like Susi Medusa would have helped. I remember an interview where she said her modus operandi was to get the world's best porn sluts to explode from the screen. And her guys were always hard-fucking but functional. They knew their place. That's really the definition of female-driven porn (it also drove me fucking wild). It's also the kind of porn that I suspect would have no trouble constantly producing a conveyor belt of talent (there will always be attractive horny young sluts out there but most don't want to be physically assaulted or humiliated on screen, weirdly). It's also hard to see how governments could justify giving it a hard time. Instead, unpleasant dudes took over both behind and in front of the camera chasing the manosphere dollar and we are where we are.

I agree with you on the trans thing, btw. The left wing worldwide has completely dropped the ball by not only eschewing basic science but vilifying those who uphold it (ie the majority of ordinary people), something Karl Marx ("scientific socialism" remember) must be spinning in his grave about. However, most posters here are distinctly un-left wing and yet many of them love seeing men pretending to be women being anally penetrated, whilst (I assume) having no desire to ever watch gay porn and quite likely harbouring a disdain for it. That is a complex picture....the best analysis I can provide is that they enjoy misogyny in all its forms and are happy to transpose it to willing men to pad out the numbers. I don't watch trans porn though - does it include slapping, choking etc. to the same extent as with women or are trans porn stars spared that because of their biological male status? That would be interesting indeed to know but I'm not sure I care that much. I suppose I've made my point and will leave it at that.

The point is that porn is not by definition either feminist or anti-feminist. It can be either but will much more easily default to the latter without the concerted efforts of brave people (mostly but not exclusively women) to rein in a male brutishness that easily dominates in the absence of a clearly-defined directorial ethos. But leaving OF aside and focusing purely on the hardcore porn that we know and love, the industry is further away from even a slither of feminism than it has ever been. Anyone who disagrees with that is more damaged and/or dialled into some maniacal right wing sphere of influence than I could scarcely believe possible.

[dap-addict]

Its pretty much dead.

Looking at the statistics, the studio lowered its output since Q3 2024 by around 75-85% at least (not counting "RELOAD" as output).
(...)
Andrew X misses an opportunity right now. There are no studios (paragraph above) actively producing hardcore content in this niche. There should be sufficient people to buy his scenes, he has room to scale. People are just tired and leaving (see forum activity), because all this RELOAD and a scene every now and then...

I would definitely buy more GIO scenes, but I'm not the market.
However, I feel you are right and GIO could win more ground back with a slightly riskier booking policy.
Now about Andrew X. role, watching some BTS recently I am not sure anymore Andrew X. role really changed since Giorgio Grandi 'retired' 2y ago.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

A riskier, and slightly more aggressive booking policy is definitely needed from Andrew X. We have had 1 new Andrew X/GIO studio release in the past 4 days. Lots of reloads/BTS scenes.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Liberalism essentially destroys everything it touches - and seeing as it adheres so adamantly to group-think dynamics - women have been most affected by this scourge. What this translates to is "female empowerment" letting women tell other women what "beauty" and "beautiful" actually are. And the results have been wretched.

It's weird that you assign the downfall of porn to liberalism. I don't know if the angry, misogynistic slant to porn since about 2010 that I abhor is the principle factor (I suppose I think and hope this in equal measure - the hope means a way out that runs parallel with my lust fantasies) but I'm 100% sure that it isn't down to liberalism.

What would liberalism mean in porn? I suppose maybe 2 things:

1. The generally accepted definition of "liberal" leading to lots of different versions of porn (so yes, some "manhandle" etc.) but very definitely not with the same tone running throughout all of it (again we're back to manhandle/male aggression, which exists in about 95% of modern porn scenes to at least some degree, even if we're only talking the odd face slap or throat grab, which didn't exist pre-2010).

2. The social/political positioning of "liberal", which would translate to an empowerment of women in the industry and the avoidance of anything portraying them in a negative light, eg aggression, humiliation, de facto subservience etc.

Whichever of these you apply - or applying both, if you wish - it is clear that liberalism either hasn't tried to assert itself on porn or has and has failed miserably.

Can you clarify what you mean by "liberalism". I like your style generally but I fear this is your sort of knee-jerk response to anything you find disappointing, symptomatic of people with a very market-driven, consumer-focused (and perhaps but not always right wing) take on things. It's much easier, after all, to blame all those pesky do-gooders out there than face up to difficult self-analysis, even when there is precious little evidence of any do-gooders in your vicinity.

Hello.
I understand your point but it is totally wrong.

There are a number of OF accounts (and similar other platforms) where the user believes he is talking directly to the model, but instead he is chatting with some dude specialised in selling private videos.

I do not believe this is "Empowerment of women". Somehow could be the exact opposite, the systematic exploitation of women. On the other hand the models benefits a lot from this system, because it allows to scale their business with with minimal effort.

Anyway the recent developing with AI is going to totally change the OF market and so on. There are already tons of OF account that are totally AI generated (the girl really exist, but the content published are totally AI generated and the chat is totally AI driven). The destiny of "OF" porn goes in that direction, it's unthinkable that it could go differently, very soon even without a real girl as "sample"

There is a revolution coming, but I understand is it hard to believe. It is understandable. Even King George III at the declaration of independence of the USA wrote in his diary that "nothing important happened today".

95% of porn will be AI driven and generated in 10 years from now, the work of "porno model" will disappear almost totally. You will buy soon a DAP gangbang with the girl of your dream at less than 1/2 the price, looking as real as the real one. You will know its AI because it is written in the title.
It will be really, but really soon.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

There is a revolution coming, but I understand is it hard to believe. It is understandable. Even King George III at the declaration of independence of the USA wrote in his diary that "nothing important happened today".

95% of porn will be AI driven and generated in 10 years from now, the work of "porno model" will disappear almost totally. You will buy soon a DAP gangbang with the girl of your dream at less than 1/2 the price, looking as real as the real one. You will know its AI because it is written in the title.
It will be really, but really soon.

Thank you for the post Giorgio Grandi. It is nice to hear from you.

Regarding what he said, he is a reputable news article about how strong, and how much AI software is growing:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ek3gvdnj3o

He predicts that in 10 years' time, we will be able to buy a DAP Gangbang with our dream girls, at less than half the current prices, with the AI girls looking as real as a real girl. We would only be able to tell as it has AI written in the title.
I would like to think that before we get to that stage, that there are steps to control AI.
It makes me think back to the Terminator films, where AI/computer software becomes so powerful, that it eventually takes over the world.
I honestly prefer real life interactions, buildings connections, and relationships. The real thing is always preferable to the AI thing.

[hyapet]

There's some interesting stuff in there but what the hell is this bit?

but in a world in which almost everything is run, controlled, overseen, or participated in by women

That surely can't be a serious comment.

I get the idea of OF being "liberal" in a sense....I suppose only in that it softens porn to the point that pretty much any girl can easily partake of it without too much worry of stigma or doing any of the hard yards associated with hardcore porn. Still, it misses the point. Liberalism/feminism in porn would only be achieved when women are in control (or at least equal players) and engaging in exactly the acts of their choosing. What evidence is there that the girls on OF are sexually satisfied? Me, I watch the likes of Julie Silver and Lucy Lee in the Private era and I see horny young women getting their rocks off whilst leaving behind a body of work that entirely preserves their dignity (at least in so far as hardcore porn can). Is it possible to say the same of girls in hardcore porn today? Clearly not. And OF doesn't really count, because it's merely a capitalist outpost for savvy women who don't want to engage with their inner lust and fantasies, just fleece the most gullible blokes out there.

OF isn't a platform for sexual pleasure for many of these girls.

It's a platform to establish social status.

All the guys at University are jerking off to this one girl - and she totally knows it - because they're all subscribed to her OF. Word gets around. All the other girls hear this and automatically think, "What would happen if I were to open an account ..."

Traditionally - mind that word there - traditionally the idea of putting naked pictures of yourself on the Internet would be a serious no-go. But that was a word in which men ruled - and consequences were to be had. Now? There's a good chance that when the girl's Mom finds out - she'll open an account herself! And they might even start making content together.

Liberalism (re: socialism) is the very act of rebelling. It is essentially the Russian Revolution during the first world war on infinite repeat. Cycling through, and producing the same outcomes, regardless of where it lands. Except for China - which, if you were to make the argument that it worked there, it actually didn't. They used the premise of communism to set up a dictatorial state which heavily embraced capitalism to actually generate wealth. And that wealth, in and of itself, was used to curb the necessities of brutality that dictatorships are often saddled with. Take away China's money - and, well - just look at what happened during the Red Revolution there.

Okay - so the infinite act of rebellion that is necessitated for the bona-fides of any woman "being an actual woman" these days - makes OF serve as a gateway to show one's adherence to the cause.

It's not about sexual satisfaction. And for very few of the white women who are involved - coming from countries where hiring quotas - diversity initiatives - and the idea that any job a man has has to at least bring aboard one woman counterpart - it doesn't really have anything to do with the money either. Most girls on there, coming from a financial perspective, could have earned far more just by putting on a suit and going on the subway every day to and from work. Just look at any EU commission or collective - it looks to be that there is more woman than men there these days. Same goes for the "universities" which are the pipeline for these jobs (of power) - roughly 7 to 8 out of 10 people in the courses are women. The HR departments in traditional ensuring that any woman with a sexual complaint can walk away with millions of dollars of company funds - essentially makes everyone walk around them on eggshells - never to be challenged - never to be questioned - no matter how bad things get or how bad of a job they do. There's only one direction they'll ever go. Up.

Finances are not the reason girls do OF. Especially seeing that the majority of them earn like $73 a month on it. And yet their pictures are out there - on the Internet - forever.

That isn't a repercussion as far as they're concerned.

That's the whole point.

[hyapet]

95% of porn will be AI driven and generated in 10 years from now, the work of "porno model" will disappear almost totally. You will buy soon a DAP gangbang with the girl of your dream at less than 1/2 the price, looking as real as the real one. You will know its AI because it is written in the title.
It will be really, but really soon.

The idea that folks like xxxVIPERxxx have that guys "prefer real girls" is absolute bullshit.

A case could made for that - if it wasn't real girls just absolutely uglifying themselves in every manner possible. And in every manner that men don't want. Men don't want rainbow colored hair. They don't want nose and septum piercings. They don't want tattoos that cover up the girl's skin and make them look an entire Mad Max biker gang rolled into a single person. They don't want to look at somebody who's actively rebelling and hating them while they jack off.

They want soft. Subtle. Glowing. Natural. Pure.

In short - they want actual femininity. And the majority of OF models aren't there to provide content for the men - make no mistake - some are, I guess - but the majority of them are on there to make a statement. And there's nothing less fucking sexy than that.

Ever get turned on by somebody who's about to give you a lecture? Not me. Because I'm not a fucking cuck.

But - that's the problem. The world in which these "real girls" inhibit - has been entirely formed through the complete and utter degradation of men. Their understanding of men is that they are to be taken advantage of - used - and discarded at will. There's a reason why the girls on OF, who actually do have customers, refer to them as pay pigs. Because they're cucks.

I don't know about you - but I couldn't think of any other industry where the official title I have for my biggest spenders essentially translates to: gigantic fucking morons.

But! These men are the vast minority.

And while their dollars will certainly inflate and prop up several, hundreds, even thousands of girls OF accounts into the actual yearly millions mark - it is but a tiny drop in the overall porn bucket ocean.

And the rest of everyone else? They're going to be creating (as you said) 100% life-like (like - you can literally not tell the difference) girls who have the most voluptuous, bobbling tits, with a nice, slender, soft-as-silk, stainless creamy white skinned body, along with the juiciest, popping, so juicy you can feel it pussy, and the face of a 16 year old school girl.

It's already happening. If you look at Asian cam-girls - their entire body is essentially being transformed in real time to fit these exact characteristics - and the guys dropping mad cash on the stream either can't tell or don't care.

And yet - AI is learning. AI is always learning. Every one of these girls who performs in these videos - and rakes in big cash - has AI systems (several of them worldwide) deciphering the video - capturing the movements - cataloguing the expressions - and nailing the look.

The competition is between the very heightened ideal of every aspect of beauty compressed into a life-like person that acts and does everything you want them to automatically and without question - against an imperfect girl who's simultaneously trying to role-play as a clown and a bouncer at the same time. Needless to say ...

No contest.

And the Lords of Internet Porn know this as well. Almost every ad out there, whether video or image, is of and for AI porn. And why wouldn't it be? The returns and profit margins they're making on it must be disgusting.

When everybody - and I mean literally everybody - from the vast amounts of consumers - to the very titans of the industry itself - want this and want it bad - there's no question about whether or not it's going to happen.

Concerning the vast majority of the porn consumers, in an admittedly delicious irony, the girls in front of the webcams can go fuck themselves.

[dap-addict]

Giorgio Grandi writes 'in 10 years from now'.
So question still remains what happens 2026 to 2036.

[hyapet]

Giorgio Grandi writes 'in 10 years from now'.
So question still remains what happens 2026 to 2036.

It won't take that long. Everything Giorgio is mentioning will be available in three years, maximum.

I was asking ChatGPT (yes, actually) about when adult form video content would become viable via allowing your average drooling idiot retard to make the actual porno of their dreams (re: easy to use moron-enabled interface - non-expensive payment - enough assets to draw everyone in) - and to list the benchmarks of what would become available when. This was taking into account the fact that AI technology is having all of these resources pumped into it by the leading nations of the world at large - that the AI models will be helping write themselves - and that everyone will be boosting what everybody else has already done collectively.

It said this: that in late 2027 - early 2028, we might - might - see the ability to produce 30 second clips come into reality.

It said this three months ago.

That benchmark was passed a month ago.

This isn't some kind of "in the future" pipe-dream - this stuff looks to be right around the corner.

What we don't realize - and don't know - is just how much all of the world uses even legitimate AI systems (re: Grok, ChatGPT, etc.) to help produce porn.

The people in charge of these systems - and the governments themselves know that these systems will be the very things that they are dependent upon for the survival and success of their countries - know that everybody uses these things for porn. And they're happy about it!

There's a small faction of people who are all like, "These things are going to be the very end of humanity! Be aware! Be aware! Watch the fuck out! Stop using these systems!"

And everyone else is all like, "Yo man, did you ever wonder what Hannah Montana would've looked like with gigantic hooters? Check this out."

It's the trojan horse, so to say, to get AI acceptance adopted by, well, pretty much all the men. And that's going to be important. Because a lot of men are going to be losing their jobs to AI. A lot already have.

Which, all things considered, and in no small irony, just gives them more time to make AI porn.

That decade of busting nuts to scrawny, ugly, tattooed freaks you've got envisioned there, dap-addict, may actually turn out to be 18 months. 24 tops.

[TheVulture]

I'm against the idea of AI in principle but with porn I have mixed feelings, because it has gone so far away from what turns me on (hardcore lust between horny men and women with zero physical male aggression/mind games etc.) in the last 15 or so years that it might be my last hope. If I could type "hardcore anal gangbang with 10 guys and 1 girl where the girl loves it and the guys pound away with pleasured abandon and zero macho bullshit....focus mainly on the girl with her pleasure being unhindered by male hands, full profile shots throughout, no close-ups" and that delivered something like Private/Christoph Clark of yore (perhaps a bit harder for good measure as there are no limits) then obviously I'm as happy as a pig in shit and never have to argue with angry damaged dudes on the internet again, which is a double win.

I am rather taken with this scene, for example (I haven't bought it yet though):

https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/4186390

It looks quite real and the exaggerated nature of the dicks is quite cool. It's definitely horny, albeit in a cartoon-ish, artificial way. Could I wank to it? Probably.

The main problem (with that scene and in general) is that a large part of the excitement of porn is knowing that it's really happening....that there are girls who want to do that and guys happy to service them (taking the place of myself on the screen, in effect). Also I do want to see a bit of personality from a girl. Again, modern porn has all but removed that from existence (by design - its newer target consumer doesn't want any of that "feminist" bollocks, just roughed-up fuck dolls to order, ideally in pain or discomfort) but when I see an old Julie Silver or Lucy Lee scene or even more recent girls like Ariadna or Henessy, my dick gets hard at the first sight of them because of that learned knowledge and appreciation of their screen lust. When you lose that, you probably lose something quite important. Also, that pull that these girls have created over time becomes powerful from a consumer point of view. You want more scenes from those girls (up to a saturation point but this is quite high) because you know they instantly deliver. Can AI replicate that? I doubt it.

But then porn is a fantasy and quite transitory. Maybe it doesn't matter, or only matters a bit and the pros outweigh the cons.

I do think Giorgio might have a point but fundamentally real is always better than fake. If porn is going to try to stave off AI, that should be the angle it focuses on. Try to give something that AI can't - the twinkle in the eye, the lustful glances between the performers, the bodies of work performers have built up etc. etc. The audience won't be so captive but there might still be a "niche" product based on solely human reserves that no computer can generate. It could be a long shot (and possibly needs the help of wealthy, profit-indifferent benefactors, at least to begin with), but it feels like the only hope real porn has left.

[dap-addict]

...when I see an old Julie Silver or Lucy Lee scene or even more recent girls like Ariadna or Henessy, my dick gets hard at the first sight of them because of that learned knowledge and appreciation of their screen lust. When you lose that, you probably lose something quite important. Also, that pull that these girls have created over time becomes powerful from a consumer point of view. You want more scenes from those girls (up to a saturation point but this is quite high) because you know they instantly deliver. Can AI replicate that? I doubt it.
(...)
Try to give something that AI can't - the twinkle in the eye, the lustful glances between the performers, the bodies of work performers have built up etc. etc. (...) it feels like the only hope real porn has left.

I really hear you here, TheVulture.
This said you still have to be aware that also Julie Silver and Ariadna performed porn for money and were porn actresses first and foremost.
I also would like to send you out looking for - and actually finding! - these lustful glances between performers also today, be it with Stacy Bloom or Nuria Millan. You'll find it if you really look for it! Problem ofc is to find those films suiting your non-manhandle fetish.
Anyway, last and not least, I think Giorgio also wanted to divert the discussion a bit away from directors role to AI. But also AI would need directors.

[TheVulture]

This said you still have to be aware that also Julie Silver and Ariadna performed porn for money and were porn actresses first and foremost.

I honestly don't see the point of mentioning that. The fact that you always bring this up whenever I say something positive about porn makes me wonder why you even watch porn in the first place. It's like you're always trying to bring the mood down, to make sure we don't get carried away with expressions of positivity and hope and instead get back to the economic grind of the whole thing. Maybe you're also a bit threatened by the power the girls exert in this area as well, I dunno.

Are you not like me in that you watch porn to be aroused and that the pinnacle of that arousal is just being lost in what you're watching, taken away to some fantasy-land where mundane questions about real life day-to-day existence become irrelevant? I don't think you are and this is part of the problem. Without wishing to sound too dramatic or judgemental, I kind of pity you a bit. Everything is clipboard appraisal about positions, wage structures, DAP technique etc. Let yourself go a bit FFS. I've literally never watched a scene with Julie Silver, Lucy Lee, Ariadna, Henessy or any of the other relatively small number of porn girls at their level and thought "I wonder how much they're being paid for this scene" or checked myself with "Remember that these are just porn actresses". How joyless is that? I'm just awash with pleasure at the lust and female beauty exploding from the screen (which is why I hate it being tampered with by angry guys who demand to be the centre of attention and visibly enjoy reducing the girls' heat etc. etc.)

Women are paid well for porn not because of the "work" involved but because of the stigma attached to putting their hardcore sex lives out there for public consumption. Good porn accepts that and just seeks to present them as lustily as possible for the best enjoyment of the majority of ordinary people who enjoy taking that occasional naughty peek into this netherworld, whilst disregarding the sniffy opinions of people who object to porn as a concept. It's not rocket science, is it? But at the same time, it's much easier to make bad porn than good porn.

Constantly bringing it back to the fact that women are paid for porn just seems a mean-spirited way to constantly undermine their achievements and also, I suspect, to validate and excuse the very many recent lurches into much darker, women-unfriendly territory. You obviously have your views about how porn moves forward but I'm not sure you're the best custodian of its future for the simple reason that you don't really get it on a basic level and I don't think you have enough confidence in its greatest commodity - the top-level girls who given the right conditions will always produce volcanic and sellable content.

[dap-addict]

You make it always sound like all these girls would do the same we see on video also in private. It's blissful to live in this bubble.
But at the same time it's not taking these girls serious.

And just in case you wondered: I enjoy my porn very much as well, I'm just closer to production reality and trying to make forum members aware of it because porn is a serious business by serious people. And motivations to join it isnt always mainly lust for sex. It's just a reality.

[dap-addict]

Btw, my initial post here some days ago was actually about Giorgio Grandi playing a bigger role in GIO/AH productions again.
For me this is a good sign.