Andrew X needs new talent

[greenfunk727]

For me, Andrew X makes the best content, makes the best scenes and the most awesome sex acts. I’m happy that he has taken over Gio’s studio but after roughly a year since Gio hung up his spurs it has become obvious to me that the biggest issue facing Andrew X is the talent pool.

I have no issues with returning models making lots of scenes, especially if they’re pushing boundaries such as Alexxa vice. However you always need to bring in fresh new talent from time to time and in the last 12 months hardly any of the models that have been shot by Andrew have been new. Nearly all of them have been Gio’s old returning models.

I feel this is a real issue for this studio. Sales seem to be good which I’m pleased about but scouting for new talent must be prioritised for long-term profitability.

Thoughts?

[xxxVIPERxxx]

For me, Andrew X makes the best content, makes the best scenes and the most awesome sex acts. I’m happy that he has taken over Gio’s studio but after roughly a year since Gio hung up his spurs it has become obvious to me that the biggest issue facing Andrew X is the talent pool.

I have no issues with returning models making lots of scenes, especially if they’re pushing boundaries such as Alexxa vice. However you always need to bring in fresh new talent from time to time and in the last 12 months hardly any of the models that have been shot by Andrew have been new. Nearly all of them have been Gio’s old returning models.

I feel this is a real issue for this studio. Sales seem to be good which I’m pleased about but scouting for new talent must be prioritised for long-term profitability.

Thoughts?

There are at least 2 new talents who he has shot e.g. Indy Lix, and Stella Scandic...there might be one or two others...but you are right in terms of getting the next generation and a pool of new talents in.

[greenfunk727]

I agree with you regarding those two models. Indy lix has shot a few scenes but in my opinion, they need to be more anal heavy. Hopefully she can shoot some more anal focused gangbangs.

Stella looks promising. In her one and only seen I thought she looked quite pretty./slutty but so far only a one on one which to be honest I don’t think counts as new talent yet haha!

But we are still way off the glory days of Giorgio in his prime.

[paco80741]

Personally, none of these new talents have captured my interest, I believe instead that there are many models of certified quality who no longer hang around the GIO studios, this I think is the fundamental problem

[hyapet]

Andrew shoots amazing scenes - but his actual talent pool will essentially remain the handful of actresses who have already shot porn with GIO - and nothing is going to change this.

The last of the absolute beauties who were willing to shoot traditional porn - only did so because they got into the industry just before OF took off. Baby Kxtten was camming, like, traditional camming, when she got picked up by the studios here. Anna De Ville as well could qualify for pulling in thousands daily on an OF page, although she may be a little older, but still.

Everyone that looks as hot as Baby Kxtten these days will sit in front of a camera and be like, "If we get to $2,000, I'll show you my first bra strap."

And the only reason Baby Kxtten can't do that is because there are so many videos of her on the net of her getting plugged by the entire soccer team at the same time.

So, it's not like somebody is yelling at Andrew, "Hey, Andrew! There's a whole bunch of super hot 18 year old white girls in the lobby of the building wanting to shoot porn, which are we going to choose?" To which Andrew replies, "None of them! I'm shooting Vittoria Devine today! Tell all those hot girls to go home! Permanently! Our studio is no place for them!"

Like, I think there are, like, actual odds on the table, a better chance for the Crusaders back in the day to bring home a genuine holy relic, than there is for Andrew to go out and find somebody that's white, young, and super hot who's willing to shoot porn at the studio.

That isn't his fault. That's the reality he's been handed. He's been doing an amazing job with what he's got - but - there are no magic wands that can bring back the young, white, super hot girls.

Sorry.

[clevertrevor]

Andrew shoots amazing scenes - but his actual talent pool will essentially remain the handful of actresses who have already shot porn with GIO - and nothing is going to change this.

The last of the absolute beauties who were willing to shoot traditional porn - only did so because they got into the industry just before OF took off. Baby Kxtten was camming, like, traditional camming, when she got picked up by the studios here. Anna De Ville as well could qualify for pulling in thousands daily on an OF page, although she may be a little older, but still.

Everyone that looks as hot as Baby Kxtten these days will sit in front of a camera and be like, "If we get to $2,000, I'll show you my first bra strap."

And the only reason Baby Kxtten can't do that is because there are so many videos of her on the net of her getting plugged by the entire soccer team at the same time.

So, it's not like somebody is yelling at Andrew, "Hey, Andrew! There's a whole bunch of super hot 18 year old white girls in the lobby of the building wanting to shoot porn, which are we going to choose?" To which Andrew replies, "None of them! I'm shooting Vittoria Devine today! Tell all those hot girls to go home! Permanently! Our studio is no place for them!"

Like, I think there are, like, actual odds on the table, a better chance for the Crusaders back in the day to bring home a genuine holy relic, than there is for Andrew to go out and find somebody that's white, young, and super hot who's willing to shoot porn at the studio.

That isn't his fault. That's the reality he's been handed. He's been doing an amazing job with what he's got - but - there are no magic wands that can bring back the young, white, super hot girls.

Sorry.

I think at the moment, we're in a situation where those who wish to go further than OF -"la página azul"... "the blue page", as Nuria has explained, can still do so, if they wish. With Andrew and Angelo, there remains that opportunity, for those who choose that.

So, as it has been more recently, we're talking about somewhat older women, who have some years of sexual experience, and can realistically choose to further their exhibitionist tendencies. The train of younger women being recruited to hardcore pornography for a fast buck looks to be over, in the West, at least.

But I'm undoubtedly in favour of this. It demonstrates that the female performers have more agency, that there is more to porn than just the fulfilment of male consumers' fantasies, and that there are also their own.

Pornography is, in and of itself, not "bad" nor "dirty", even if the term itself literally translates as "writing about whores". Undoubtedly, the industry has in the past been exploitative... but then which industry can ever claim it has not been, nor is now, not?

I prefer to take a sex-positive view of it all. Like, as a species, we're moving on. We've understood that we can prevent unwanted pregnancies. We've realised that monogamy is not everyone's bag. We've learned that homosexuality is not an illness. People can fuck for money, fuck for other people's entertainment, without stigma or shame. I think that's a better situation than that which existed before.

[hyapet]

I think at the moment, we're in a situation where those who wish to go further than OF -"la página azul"... "the blue page", as Nuria has explained, can still do so, if they wish. With Andrew and Angelo, there remains that opportunity, for those who choose that.

If someone wants to shove a three foot long dildo up their ass on OF - they very well can. You can do anything on OF - except glug piss.

They understood that that would kill their credibility in the short term, and their business in the long term.

Go figure.

So, as it has been more recently, we're talking about somewhat older women, who have some years of sexual experience, and can realistically choose to further their exhibitionist tendencies. The train of younger women being recruited to hardcore pornography for a fast buck looks to be over, in the West, at least.

That's a very PG13 way of saying that, "The older gals have to do more sick shit in order to keep an audience," and, "The younger ones are moving away from that because they'd rather milk some simp for hundreds of dollars to be able to see their bra-strap for fifteen seconds - hee hee."

But I'm undoubtedly in favour of this. It demonstrates that the female performers have more agency, that there is more to porn than just the fulfilment of male consumers' fantasies, and that there are also their own.

Yeah - I think the real fantasy is that of still being able to earn a living shooting porn.

Sorry to say it, Bud. But I'm not looking to spend my time watching someone else have fun. If somebody tells me - hey - guess what - you're going to have to watch some extremely happy forty year old woman glug piss from a jug - I'll be like, the fucking hell I do.

You might have noticed it? Studio closures? That means not enough dollars are coming in. Now - there's a year's long list of reasons why this is - but, for the most part, much of the porn that's being produced isn't getting people's dollars.

So, the 40 year old piss-glugger and the director can have the best time in the world as they're giving each other hugs as he's putting up the Out Of Business sign on the studio's doors.

Pornography is, in and of itself, not "bad" nor "dirty", even if the term itself literally translates as "writing about whores". Undoubtedly, the industry has in the past been exploitative... but then which industry can ever claim it has not been, nor is now, not?

Well, it goes beyond that. The exploitation is awful, to be sure, but if we're being real here - the trade-off for a life in pornography is honestly very heavy. There's an untold of side to the industry where a ton of girls commit suicide, or find that later in life the opportunities or things they never once thought they'd want to have, have had their doors closed on them now.

Like, this isn't everybody - but the very lifestyle is opening the eyes of a lot of girls who are like, "Hey, why don't any of the seriously good men out there have any interest in me?" You know - stable job - attractive - normal - doesn't spend their day jacking it to porn. And it's like, that's a reality check a lot of OF girls have already had to cash, but it goes to everyone in the business.

Like, I used to know someone, quite well I thought, and then I found out that she actually did hooking on the side. And it was like, "Fucking ewww ..." And, quite honestly, I never looked at her the same way again. And this wasn't a conscious decision - I didn't sit down and be like, "Hey, let's have a discussion about this." It was more like a trap-door opened in my gut, and when I saw this girl now, it was just like, "Ewww ..."

And that's honestly the reaction most guys have. Not all. But, if I were going to be going into business, or going to war, or coming up with an idea with a bunch of guys - I would want them all to have the same feeling I did. I would know they were solid because of it. That they held standards within themselves - and for others - and wanted what was actually the best for everyone.

I prefer to take a sex-positive view of it all. Like, as a species, we're moving on. We've understood that we can prevent unwanted pregnancies. We've realised that monogamy is not everyone's bag. We've learned that homosexuality is not an illness. People can fuck for money, fuck for other people's entertainment, without stigma or shame. I think that's a better situation than that which existed before.

Yeah - well - you probably think that this liberal view is very enlightened - but in all honesty - it's just a set of circumstances that you've been corralled into thinking. And this isn't something that just happens with this - but with most if not all aspects of human life. If you grew up in a society that bowed down every evening and prayed to the moon - and I came up to you - in those circumstances - and was like, "Your moon is full of shit. Fuck your praying to it." No matter how right (or wrong) I may have been - you'd probably want to kill me under the circumstances in which you were raised.

Many of these "liberal" tendencies have - quite honestly - just gone way too far. A correction is needed - and is starting to take place in society now - but it's still at the beginning stages. Should people be throwing stones at gay people? Absolutely not. Should gay people be humping the air in front of children with their dicks hanging out in a public parade? Absolutely not.

People have been fucking women for money since the beginning of time. But - there should be a shame attached to it. Because what makes a woman actually happy is having a stable family whose children she's rearing to take on the world. So that when her kids are doing the same - and she's giving her grand kids a sweet treat - the smile on her face is powerful enough to melt a glacier.

So, yeah, I might be sitting in front of a screen, with my dick in my hand, watching Baby Kxtten getting tossed between a bunch of black dudes like a beach ball - but once she's off the screen - I cease to care. As does everyone else. And once she's done producing scenes in five, in ten, in twenty, in thirty, in however many years - it's not hard to guess that the smile on her face when she's opening the tuna can for her cat isn't going to necessarily be the same victory lap as the grandma with her kids.

Remember - if you have to normalize it - that shit typically ain't normal.

It is what it is - but never forget - it is what it actually is.

[clevertrevor]

I'm not really interested in being lectured about my personal ethics, or spoken to as if I'm a halfwit, thanks. This seems to be a habit of yours, I've noticed elsewhere, sadly.

I don't attempt to speak for others, either, endeavouring to steer clear of obvious logical fallacies. I'm quite happy with having the liberal perspective you seem uncomfortable with, and FWIW I actually do rather consider the wellbeing of the performers I watch more generally, off-screen, to be important. (I just happen to enjoy what they do.) I prioritise science over religion, something many in the US seem to have trouble with. I fail to see how a "correction" to that is needed.

Here in Western Europe, anyway, we haven't had a "ton" of performers committing suicide. There was Karen Lancaume two decades ago, and Sophie Anderson two years ago, but the latter woman had had a terrible life of exploitation outside of porn. Can't think of any others. As many have been murdered by jealous/jilted ex-partners in the same period, I believe.

There are different paths to a career in porn, especially of the kind Andrew X produces, of course. Nuria and Rebel both have degrees, are married, and are sexually explorative, and left regular employment when they realised such a move was viable, Baby Kitten had a kid at fifteen and was a sex worker before she entered the industry (as are all the British women who've shot for GIO, as far as I can tell). But, she seems to have done reasonably well out of it.

Anyway, I can't be bothered to argue the toss over much of this.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I did a Google search to check who it suggested were the top two, maintsream porn stars in the world.
It came up as Angela White (3 consecutive wins, as the only ever back to back to back AVN Female Performer of the Year). She has a massive natural ass, and even bigger tits on a slim to curvy body.

Then, it was Abella Danger (7x AVN Most Epic Ass of the Year). She has a big natural ass, relatively small tits on a slim body.

The shift in perception of female beauty has now moved on to slim to curvy, feminine body shapes, with big, natural asses, and big tits (either enhanced or natural).

There was a long time, when tall, stick thin girls with a supermodel image were considered the most beautiful, but I think we are rightly moving with the modern times.
Even going back a couple of decades ago, DD cups were considered the basic minimum to enter glamour modelling.

The problems are also with finding these types of talents, who are willing to do hardcore porn. In the small handful of women who do fit this profile, how many of them are willing to do hardcore porn in the manner of GIO/Andrew X studios.

[hyapet]

I'm not really interested in being lectured about my personal ethics, or spoken to as if I'm a halfwit, thanks.

If you don't want to be spoken to like you're a half-wit, then stop saying half-wit shit.

I don't attempt to speak for others, either, endeavouring to steer clear of obvious logical fallacies. I'm quite happy with having the liberal perspective you seem uncomfortable with, and FWIW I actually do rather consider the wellbeing of the performers I watch more generally, off-screen, to be important. (I just happen to enjoy what they do.) I prioritise science over religion, something many in the US seem to have trouble with. I fail to see how a "correction" to that is needed.

Please explain to me how science explains the choices one makes and how it affects their lives consequentially when it comes to porn.

Here in Western Europe, anyway, we haven't had a "ton" of performers committing suicide. There was Karen Lancaume two decades ago, and Sophie Anderson two years ago, but the latter woman had had a terrible life of exploitation outside of porn. Can't think of any others. As many have been murdered by jealous/jilted ex-partners in the same period, I believe.

That's because a lot of the performers that do die (due to their involvement in the industry) end up doing so because of drug overdoses. I wonder why they're doing drugs ... or how they got access to them ... it couldn't possibly be from their pimps ... oh, sorry, their "agents" that cart them around from studio to studio and then exploit them as prostitutes in-between, could it?

No - it absolutely couldn't. That wouldn't be the very liberal way of looking at things. You know, sans the glazing of superficial, passive-aggressive, reality-denying bullshit.

Outside of death - there's a fifty/fifty chance that any actress you bring up here, from Europe, when you ask, "What happened to them," DAP-Addict will come in and explain that, because they "couldn't handle the pressure of all the mental breakdowns they kept having," they decided to leave the industry. Usually with friends and family begging them to stop doing what they were doing.

Ugggghhhh! When will these people finally learn to accept liberalism!

There are different paths to a career in porn, especially of the kind Andrew X produces, of course. Nuria and Rebel both have degrees, are married, and are sexually explorative, and left regular employment when they realised such a move was viable, Baby Kitten had a kid at fifteen and was a sex worker before she entered the industry (as are all the British women who've shot for GIO, as far as I can tell). But, she seems to have done reasonably well out of it.

Anyway, I can't be bothered to argue the toss over much of this.

But you just did argue the toss over it - so if you don't want to argue the toss over it - then don't fucking reply.

Sure - in some instances - absolutely - the performers actually dig the lifestyle - and you can see them having fun on the sets.

But there comes the rub. Many of the people who enjoy this type of porn aren't enjoying it because they're appreciative of the female anatomy and really like seeing all the interesting angles the performer can put herself in while she's giving high-fives to the entire stud-team during the process (which Nuria, Rebel, and Baby Kxtten are all famous for). They're fans of the genre - they're enjoying it - because they enjoy seeing women get put into painful positions and experiences. Their understanding of it being - "if the girl can't take it - that must mean she's really feeling it."

Forget right or wrong - it's a basis for a large portion of the consumers of this type of content. So, if they're not seeing some either getting psychologically or physically hurt, they're not getting anywhere near as hard as they would be otherwise. And the porn-stars who are on screen looking like they'd rather be anywhere else right then and there - that look or feeling usually travels with them well after the shoot - especially seeing that almost anywhere they go after that point, somebody will recognize them as being, "Have you seen where this girl has been and what she's done? Yo man, I'll send you the link, you won't believe it."

Even if we absolutely low-ball the stats and really "liberalize" the definition and say fifty percent of the people who perform end up "expressing or exhibiting symptoms of regret," in what other fucking industry would it be permissible to have half the people who engage in the industry itself walk away from it with some form of (often very serious) trauma?

[hyapet]

I did a Google search to check who it suggested were the top two, maintsream porn stars in the world.
It came up as Angela White (3 consecutive wins, as the only ever back to back to back AVN Female Performer of the Year). She has a massive natural ass, and even bigger tits on a slim to curvy body.

Then, it was Abella Danger (7x AVN Most Epic Ass of the Year). She has a big natural ass, relatively small tits on a slim body.

The shift in perception of female beauty has now moved on to slim to curvy, feminine body shapes, with big, natural asses, and big tits (either enhanced or natural).

There was a long time, when tall, stick thin girls with a supermodel image were considered the most beautiful, but I think we are rightly moving with the modern times.
Even going back a couple of decades ago, DD cups were considered the basic minimum to enter glamour modelling.

The problems are also with finding these types of talents, who are willing to do hardcore porn. In the small handful of women who do fit this profile, how many of them are willing to do hardcore porn in the manner of GIO/Andrew X studios.

Thick girls were always sexier (not fat - but juicy, large breasted, and thick assed), but North American "beauty standards" going all the way back to the beginning of the 20th century, and probably before, dictated that "super thin" was "super attractive" - even when it really wasn't. And how did this happen? Well, there was a pipeline affect.

First - you had the actual fashion houses and mainstream "beauty standards" implemented by the American media. I have no idea why they implemented the thin angle, maybe it was to save on material costs for making the clothing (lol lol lol), but all I can say from a personal viewpoint is, the girls and women that go down fashion runways are fucking ugly as all fuck. It's like watching a coat-hanger trying to learn how to walk. It's ... awkward ... and absolutely unsettling just how close to the line of anorexia these models and the fashion houses who employ them get to.

So - from there - if that's who girls are being told is beautiful - then - that's who they're going to believe is actually beautiful. Remember - girls are often, most usually, absolutely dumb as fuck. Ever since women have become "super liberated" in the past thirty years - the objective measurements for beauty have become (based on what women are telling themselves) - filling your entire body up with plastic - tattoo'ing yourself up like a pirate - getting fat as fuck off of junk food. Fucking morons. Before that? In the 90's still - if you weren't anorexic thin, like, if you could so much as pinch a little bit of flesh on the waist-line of a girl, then (according to the girls in social circles) you were fat! (Eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww!!!!!)

If you ask most guys though - like, ordinary Joes and Johns, like, guys who still identify as guys, and don't dream of taking out the local trans girl, or guy, so she, or he, or whatever, can pimp him out to all of her, or his, or whatever's male friends - like - if you're talking to a normal dude - most of the time - this is what they'll tell you that they like (you can remove one or two of these from the list at any time, except for the last one, typically):

- The Bigger The Tits - The Better
- Having some Junk in the Trunk is Absolutely Awesome
- Having a pouch on the stomach is alright - but they start to push back when pouches become rolls
- Cute, soft, natural face
- No tattoos, nose-rings, facial piercings, or signs they're a deviant feminist freak

That's not to say that thin isn't extremely hot. Or that people don't prefer it. Just that they don't have an aversion to thickness - and if they can grab it and squeeze it - and it's soft (and not endless) - they'll typically love it.

In that sense - OF has become the great equalizer. The notion of "beauty" has somewhat become "everyone can dig what they want to dig." But the idea that thin was somehow the overwhelming preference? That didn't hold up.

There's always a variety and mix of angles to everything. But thicc is awesome. And it is absolutely zero surprise that those three porn-stars are considered the top of the field.

[jjwhite1985]

I'm not really interested in being lectured about my personal ethics, or spoken to as if I'm a halfwit, thanks. This seems to be a habit of yours, I've noticed elsewhere, sadly.

I don't attempt to speak for others, either, endeavouring to steer clear of obvious logical fallacies. I'm quite happy with having the liberal perspective you seem uncomfortable with, and FWIW I actually do rather consider the wellbeing of the performers I watch more generally, off-screen, to be important. (I just happen to enjoy what they do.) I prioritise science over religion, something many in the US seem to have trouble with. I fail to see how a "correction" to that is needed.

Here in Western Europe, anyway, we haven't had a "ton" of performers committing suicide. There was Karen Lancaume two decades ago, and Sophie Anderson two years ago, but the latter woman had had a terrible life of exploitation outside of porn. Can't think of any others. As many have been murdered by jealous/jilted ex-partners in the same period, I believe.

There are different paths to a career in porn, especially of the kind Andrew X produces, of course. Nuria and Rebel both have degrees, are married, and are sexually explorative, and left regular employment when they realised such a move was viable, Baby Kitten had a kid at fifteen and was a sex worker before she entered the industry (as are all the British women who've shot for GIO, as far as I can tell). But, she seems to have done reasonably well out of it.

Anyway, I can't be bothered to argue the toss over much of this.

You don't need to get into argue with these kinds of comments, or even read them. If you go onto somebody's profile and click add foe it will hide all their posts, acting kinda like a block feature - it's great for forum hygiene, I did it for this particular user a while back when it became clear what he was. Before I logged in today I could see he's been going thread to thread again polluting them with his autistic incel clown shit, but logging in is like waving an anti-jackass wand.

[greenfunk727]

I did a Google search to check who it suggested were the top two, maintsream porn stars in the world.
It came up as Angela White (3 consecutive wins, as the only ever back to back to back AVN Female Performer of the Year). She has a massive natural ass, and even bigger tits on a slim to curvy body.

Then, it was Abella Danger (7x AVN Most Epic Ass of the Year). She has a big natural ass, relatively small tits on a slim body.

The shift in perception of female beauty has now moved on to slim to curvy, feminine body shapes, with big, natural asses, and big tits (either enhanced or natural).

There was a long time, when tall, stick thin girls with a supermodel image were considered the most beautiful, but I think we are rightly moving with the modern times.
Even going back a couple of decades ago, DD cups were considered the basic minimum to enter glamour modelling.

The problems are also with finding these types of talents, who are willing to do hardcore porn. In the small handful of women who do fit this profile, how many of them are willing to do hardcore porn in the manner of GIO/Andrew X studios.

AVN and porn industry awards are like the oscars. It's just industry shite. The porn industry doesn't want to give awards to some one like Rebel Rhyder who's doing a 3 hour anal gangbang with 10 guys, drinking litres of piss, puking it up and drinking it again.

They give the awards to PR friendly mainstream performers who can interview well and show the industry in a good light.

[hyapet]

I'm not really interested in being lectured about my personal ethics, or spoken to as if I'm a halfwit, thanks. This seems to be a habit of yours, I've noticed elsewhere, sadly.

I don't attempt to speak for others, either, endeavouring to steer clear of obvious logical fallacies. I'm quite happy with having the liberal perspective you seem uncomfortable with, and FWIW I actually do rather consider the wellbeing of the performers I watch more generally, off-screen, to be important. (I just happen to enjoy what they do.) I prioritise science over religion, something many in the US seem to have trouble with. I fail to see how a "correction" to that is needed.

Here in Western Europe, anyway, we haven't had a "ton" of performers committing suicide. There was Karen Lancaume two decades ago, and Sophie Anderson two years ago, but the latter woman had had a terrible life of exploitation outside of porn. Can't think of any others. As many have been murdered by jealous/jilted ex-partners in the same period, I believe.

There are different paths to a career in porn, especially of the kind Andrew X produces, of course. Nuria and Rebel both have degrees, are married, and are sexually explorative, and left regular employment when they realised such a move was viable, Baby Kitten had a kid at fifteen and was a sex worker before she entered the industry (as are all the British women who've shot for GIO, as far as I can tell). But, she seems to have done reasonably well out of it.

Anyway, I can't be bothered to argue the toss over much of this.

You don't need to get into argue with these kinds of comments, or even read them. If you go onto somebody's profile and click add foe it will hide all their posts, acting kinda like a block feature - it's great for forum hygiene, I did it for this particular user a while back when it became clear what he was. Before I logged in today I could see he's been going thread to thread again polluting them with his autistic incel clown shit, but logging in is like waving an anti-jackass wand.

JJWhite's got one trick and one trick alone up his sleeve.

He doesn't read.

In the final twist of irony - what he labels as "autistic incel clown shit" is actually exactly the opposite.

Someone positing that women have intrinsic worth and that performing in this kind of content directly harms them (that's the reality of it, sorry) isn't "autistic incel clown shit" behavior. However, emphasizing that women need to be drinking piss and eating shit on screen while having three dicks pounding into their asshole for the world to see actually is autistic incel clown shit behavior.

Leave it to to jay-jay to use words he doesn't actually understand. Somebody probably told him the definition once but he didn't read it because he'd already blocked their profile.

[greenfunk727]

I'm not really interested in being lectured about my personal ethics, or spoken to as if I'm a halfwit, thanks. This seems to be a habit of yours, I've noticed elsewhere, sadly.

I don't attempt to speak for others, either, endeavouring to steer clear of obvious logical fallacies. I'm quite happy with having the liberal perspective you seem uncomfortable with, and FWIW I actually do rather consider the wellbeing of the performers I watch more generally, off-screen, to be important. (I just happen to enjoy what they do.) I prioritise science over religion, something many in the US seem to have trouble with. I fail to see how a "correction" to that is needed.

Here in Western Europe, anyway, we haven't had a "ton" of performers committing suicide. There was Karen Lancaume two decades ago, and Sophie Anderson two years ago, but the latter woman had had a terrible life of exploitation outside of porn. Can't think of any others. As many have been murdered by jealous/jilted ex-partners in the same period, I believe.

There are different paths to a career in porn, especially of the kind Andrew X produces, of course. Nuria and Rebel both have degrees, are married, and are sexually explorative, and left regular employment when they realised such a move was viable, Baby Kitten had a kid at fifteen and was a sex worker before she entered the industry (as are all the British women who've shot for GIO, as far as I can tell). But, she seems to have done reasonably well out of it.

Anyway, I can't be bothered to argue the toss over much of this.

You don't need to get into argue with these kinds of comments, or even read them. If you go onto somebody's profile and click add foe it will hide all their posts, acting kinda like a block feature - it's great for forum hygiene, I did it for this particular user a while back when it became clear what he was. Before I logged in today I could see he's been going thread to thread again polluting them with his autistic incel clown shit, but logging in is like waving an anti-jackass wand.

JJWhite's got one trick and one trick alone up his sleeve.

He doesn't read.

In the final twist of irony - what he labels as "autistic incel clown shit" is actually exactly the opposite.

Someone positing that women have intrinsic worth and that performing in this kind of content directly harms them (that's the reality of it, sorry) isn't "autistic incel clown shit" behavior. However, emphasizing that women need to be drinking piss and eating shit on screen while having three dicks pounding into their asshole for the world to see actually is autistic incel clown shit behavior.

Leave it to to jay-jay to use words he doesn't actually understand. Somebody probably told him the definition once but he didn't read it because he'd already blocked their profile.

Congratulations on ruining yet another thread.