About Jolee Love

[zaisafi]

Cane Jolee Love Join Andrew X Studio or AGO Studio in Coming Days or Month ?

[paco80741]

It would be nice to have a definitive answer from Jolee or Andrew... in the worst case scenario we fans will have to deal with it

[dap-addict]

Its good to keep demanding that to happen, but in this special case I wouldnt expect better results with fans lobbying. In other cases it actually helped, but here Jolee is just a very independant performer generating still lots revenues with her other endeavours.

Andrew X. on the other side has still limited funds - like most studios do btw.

[Raghav_Roy]

Look no further if you want a top-notch professional who respects your comfort and preferences. Customer satisfaction is obviously their top goal.

[paco80741]

Its good to keep demanding that to happen, but in this special case I wouldnt expect better results with fans lobbying. In other cases it actually helped, but here Jolee is just a very independant performer generating still lots revenues with her other endeavours.

Andrew X. on the other side has still limited funds - like most studios do btw.

Andrew X will have limited funds and will have the difficulties that many other studios have but that has not stopped them from shooting scenes with Anna de Ville, Rebel Ryder, Ria Sunn (before she got pregnant)... that is, models with equal "seniority" as Jolee and large fan following...
Vittoria Devine and Nuria Millan (two extraordinary performers) have more or less shot half of the scenes published by Andrew X, do they work for free? or at discounted rates? I have a hard time imagining it but I am certainly not in the industry and I have no inside information

[jjwhite1985]

Its good to keep demanding that to happen, but in this special case I wouldnt expect better results with fans lobbying. In other cases it actually helped, but here Jolee is just a very independant performer generating still lots revenues with her other endeavours.

Andrew X. on the other side has still limited funds - like most studios do btw.

Andrew X will have limited funds and will have the difficulties that many other studios have but that has not stopped them from shooting scenes with Anna de Ville, Rebel Ryder, Ria Sunn (before she got pregnant)... that is, models with equal "seniority" as Jolee and large fan following...
Vittoria Devine and Nuria Millan (two extraordinary performers) have more or less shot half of the scenes published by Andrew X, do they work for free? or at discounted rates? I have a hard time imagining it but I am certainly not in the industry and I have no inside information

My guess is that either Jolee's fee is higher and she won't lower it to shoot for GIO (like Kristy Black), or that she just doesn't have any interest in shooting for LP these days. There's no way they wouldn't be shooting with her if she was available and affordable.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

So the question comes down to, is she available and is Jolee Love affordable in today's financial climate?

[jjwhite1985]

So the question comes down to, is she available and is Jolee Love affordable in today's financial climate?

Well the answer is obviously no to at least one of those questions

[TomHardick]

It would be nice to have kind of an answer from Andrew, maybe he didn't even try to get Jolee, who knows. Jolee never was the kind of girl who interacts with fans. On interviews she plays the ambiguous, i mean, that's her game, in order to get more subs for her OF and cam shows. She's basically shooting a couple of scenes just for staying visible and mantaining the status of an active pornstar. I'm still thinking about that picture on the couch of GIO's studio, what happened?.

[dap-addict]

Andrew never communicated with fans.
He does his thing and thats it. But sure is fact that time of big financial resources and cross-financing with other GIO studios etc are gone.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

It is not just on an individual basis e.g. Andrew X himself, the porn studios e.g. AGO, GIO studios, Yummy etc...but it is the state of the global financial situation.

There is still a significant cost of living crisis, high inflation, energy crisis with gas/electricity/fuel still being quite expensive compared to 5+ years ago.
For most people, the amount of disposable income is nowhere near as high as it once was.

My water fees have more than doubled in the space of just over a year as well! Most basic necessities are on average much more expensive than it used to be.
Therefore, the best strategy is to be a bit more prudent, and financially saavy.
There will come a time, when Andrew has more disposable income or access to credit increases, but for now I am in support and praise his more frugal approach to managing the finances.

[paco80741]

It is not just on an individual basis e.g. Andrew X himself, the porn studios e.g. AGO, GIO studios, Yummy etc...but it is the state of the global financial situation.

There is still a significant cost of living crisis, high inflation, energy crisis with gas/electricity/fuel still being quite expensive compared to 5+ years ago.
For most people, the amount of disposable income is nowhere near as high as it once was.

My water fees have more than doubled in the space of just over a year as well! Most basic necessities are on average much more expensive than it used to be.
Therefore, the best strategy is to be a bit more prudent, and financially saavy.
There will come a time, when Andrew has more disposable income or access to credit increases, but for now I am in support and praise his more frugal approach to managing the finances.

there is no doubt that the economic situation has worsened globally and that there are certainly difficulties... that said, it does not seem to me that this situation has prevented Andrew from continuing to work with Anna de Ville, Veronica Leal, Rebel Ryder, Ria Sunn, Silvia Dellai... evidently this crisis only prevents him from filming with Jolee.
if Jolee asks for a "largely" higher fee than her colleagues of equal "seniority" and equal "following" it is she who (voluntarily?) puts herself out of the market.
I provide a service activity in my city and the fee I ask for is on average comparable to what the competition asks for, if I asked for double no one would turn to me... that said, the fee can marginally vary depending on the presumed quality provided (subjective evaluation) or the specificity of the service provided.
if Jolee's immediate future is to publish a couple of scenes a year (and we come from an absence from GIO studios of more than a year and a half) it is reasonable to think that one of her scenes could be sold at a higher price than average (law of supply and demand). it would only be a matter of trying and verifying if the market recognizes this added value.
personally in the last two years I have purchased very few scenes (my favorite models are now all out of the game) for one of Jolee's two annual scenes I would be very willing to pay a higher price than average.

[dap-addict]

As already said many times it is not only a fee question.
Some bad blood evolved between Jolee and that studio and obviousely they dont come together anymore. Jolee changed her direction after being sent home 1,5y ago and as long as she can create enough revenues with that new direction she'll stay there. Also you have to consider that German porn market always was a thing apart a bit from general Europorn. Once upon a time they had some real avantguard and enveloppe pushing studios now its the opposite and became very soft. But thats it. Jolee works in this market now and not the general Europorn market.

Andrew always was rather a service provider for studio and not a leading mind. I still dont see really how that has changed since he took over the remainants of GIO. He does very solid work, but he has no vision and I dont see him as a fighter like Giorgio was. In this case however, he'd need to fight for Jolee, to fight to get her back!

[paco80741]

In this case however, he'd need to fight for Jolee, to fight to get her back!

I totally agree.

[liko19]

If she had a fight and was sent home 1.5 years ago, that's in the past. Today is a completely different time, porn is controlled by other, larger studios. A fanatic named GG, who hated naked women and, with the support of a few screaming courtiers, unleashed an avalanche of sex in clothes, a spacesuit and a wetsuit, is fortunately in the graveyard and apart from a few courtiers, not even a dog will bark at him anymore. Jolee could definitely find her place in decent studios like EKS or Yummy. EKS is an honest studio that doesn't shoot things that make the vast majority of people's stomachs turn.

[dap-addict]

,,,and, with the support of a few screaming courtiers, unleashed an avalanche...

I will continue to defend GIO esthetics, but I will also put in my word for more naked girls productions like EKS offers. Problem still is, Jolee also wasnt interested in working for EKS and granting Erika her DAP-ability as far as I know.

[TomHardick]

Does Andrew even read the forum?. I mean, as fans, we've been asking for Jolee for more than a year; but maybe he doesn't even know that Jolee has a huge fanbase and worth to try a comeback.

[jjwhite1985]

Does Andrew even read the forum?. I mean, as fans, we've been asking for Jolee for more than a year; but maybe he doesn't even know that Jolee has a huge fanbase and worth to try a comeback.

Everything he needs to know regarding that will be in the sales figures and revenues for her scenes. The forum users don't scratch the surface of their total market.

That said, if it's true that the last time she was supposed to shoot for GIO she was sent home for "aesthetic" reasons to do with her body, I can totally see that she'd refuse to ever shoot for that studio again...

[liko19]

Does Andrew even read the forum?. I mean, as fans, we've been asking for Jolee for more than a year; but maybe he doesn't even know that Jolee has a huge fanbase and worth to try a comeback.

Everything he needs to know regarding that will be in the sales figures and revenues for her scenes. The forum users don't scratch the surface of their total market.

That said, if it's true that the last time she was supposed to shoot for GIO she was sent home for "aesthetic" reasons to do with her body, I can totally see that she'd refuse to ever shoot for that studio again...

Well, if it's in positive numbers, then of course it's as you write it. But if I'm in negative numbers, or on the verge of survival, then a good businessman, in this case a producer, should be interested in what his customers want to see and who they are interested in. It's nice that as a producer you like something and you're happy with it because it's to your taste, but if the customer doesn't like it, then you're simply bankrupt.

[dap-addict]

From 2023 Jolee loves sales numbers dumped.
It therefore maybe wasnt only for aesthetic reasons.
She has many fans but how good would she really sell? These are questions Andrew might ask himself as well.

[jjwhite1985]

Does Andrew even read the forum?. I mean, as fans, we've been asking for Jolee for more than a year; but maybe he doesn't even know that Jolee has a huge fanbase and worth to try a comeback.

Everything he needs to know regarding that will be in the sales figures and revenues for her scenes. The forum users don't scratch the surface of their total market.

That said, if it's true that the last time she was supposed to shoot for GIO she was sent home for "aesthetic" reasons to do with her body, I can totally see that she'd refuse to ever shoot for that studio again...

Well, if it's in positive numbers, then of course it's as you write it. But if I'm in negative numbers, or on the verge of survival, then a good businessman, in this case a producer, should be interested in what his customers want to see and who they are interested in. It's nice that as a producer you like something and you're happy with it because it's to your taste, but if the customer doesn't like it, then you're simply bankrupt.

You miss the point - whether something is popular, or whether the customers like it or not, all of that is determined by the sales performance of the scene. A handful of voices on a forum don't come into it as the number is insignificantly small compared to the total number of people who buy the scenes. Someone may now and again get a scene idea from a forum, but they couldn't use it to gauge popularity.

I did hear that Jolee's sales weren't so good as time went on, which may be part of why they aren't trying super hard to get her back. My take is that the more scenes she made, the more repetitive things got. Hundreds of scenes for GIO, Gonzo etc, but it felt like once you'd seen three or four then you'd seen them all. And I say this as a huge Jolee fan who would love to see her back shooting hardcore anal.

[paco80741]

I did hear that Jolee's sales weren't so good as time went on, which may be part of why they aren't trying super hard to get her back. My take is that the more scenes she made, the more repetitive things got. Hundreds of scenes for GIO, Gonzo etc, but it felt like once you'd seen three or four then you'd seen them all. And I say this as a huge Jolee fan who would love to see her back shooting hardcore anal.[/quote]
I agree with what you say, and right now Andrew is taking the same risk with Nuria Millan and Vittoria Devine. I would be more in favor of a large rotation of models...
that said I am convinced that if Jolee came back after this long absence it would sell very well and if she shot a couple of scenes a year it would certainly not get boring.