Should models get paid royalties?

[dap-addict]

Generally speaking girls fees run berserk last 2-3 years.

[Giorgio Grandi]

But even this is unlikely to happen in a good way. Because people who own businesses usually want to pay the least they can to those who work for them and keep the rest for themselves. They don't pay any more than they have to.

Why would you pay more, when you can pay less and still have more or less the same business?

Yeah :/

This is really, the root of all evil, lol.

This is a business model (in porn) bring to death.
I shot a model recently, we deal on a pretty high payout for her scenes. After she finish my shooting, she moved to budapest through an agent. She told be she has been contacted directly from a couple of producers in budapest, they told her smt like "I would like to shoot you, but performers like you have a rate that is too high".
I do not understand exactly the meaning of "performers like you" of the sentence tbh. Or, better to say, I know the contest. They are not crying poor because they are poor, they cry poor because of business model of membership website is overrated.
I make you an example: the same model told me about her business model on OF.

Before, she was shooting custom video for 50$/each and she was shooting 15 videos/month in average.
50$x15=750$
She used like 2h every 2 videos between preparation and shooting, this took her 15 hours/month.

Now, she charge 250$ for each custom video and she shoot 4-5 video/month.
Lets make math with 4
250$x4=1000$
Time to produce the content, 4-5 hours.

She gain more money and she use less time.
Even if from the customer point of view her content seams overpriced, the business model is more profitable and less time consuming.

This bring to several conclusion I know many users writing on the forum are not able to digest, royalties includes.
A good looking model with a decent management, can gain very good money on OF but doing much less sex than in my production. The reason is not my production who pays little, but the customer that do not pay enough.

Connecting my thoughts to a different topic about unbalance in the price between a scene with 3 boys and a scene with 10 boys, the unbalance in the price is related to 2 reason:
- cost of production doesnt include only the performers, but also the running cost necessary to produce the content
- maybe I have too many hesitations when I go to create the ticket price from the production cost, instead of using a simple mathematical calculation (which I use for certain scenes), when I see that the ticket price calculated grows exponentially, I manually lower the ticket price. As if to say, "Dear customer, the more you spend, the less you pay".

I should really start to considering the business model is still wrong. On the content with the higher production cost, is wrong to lower the price in ticket to stimulate the user to purchase.

[101mike101]

This is a business model (in porn) bring to death.
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Perhaps the problem is that porn nowadays is relatively easy to make. So, a lot of people are making a lot of porn. And on top of this, porn-scene are often copied and posted for free on the Internet. Which has led to a drop in the price of porn so much, that it's hard to make good money at it.

Porn ladies can probably make more money through escorting, rather than through making porn. But making porn even in this situation makes sense for the ladies. Because their porn videos are a good way to attract customers and have them pay more money.

The only problem with this scenario is that only some countries allow sex-workers to have sex legally with their customers. In many countries, including most of USA, it's a crime punishable by law.

I think porn-makers can still succeed in making relatively good money. But they need to do something different and unique to attract their porn-audience. The AnalVids.com website is doing some of that. Because practically every lady is taking guys inside her sexy butt.

But now even doing a lot of anal stuff is no longer enough. Because competitors are catching up and doing it too.

I think porn-makers need to innovate and do something new in a hot kind of way. Those, who do it first and become good at it, will get ahead of everybody else and have some success for a while, before they need to innovate again.

I think adding one-liner sex-talk between the lady and her studs before, during, and after her penetration might be such an innovation. Because adding some sex-talk and some one-liners into the scene makes the scene a lot more memorable than a scene without any sex-talk. And when you remember a porn-scene in a good way, then you naturally look for other such scenes.

Remembering a porn-scene for a long time and remembering it in a good way makes all the difference in the kind of scenes porn-fans look for and buy. Because when you look for a good porn-scene to buy, then you are relying on your memory and experiences of what you've seen before to guide your choice.

[Giorgio Grandi]

This is a business model (in porn) bring to death.
....

Perhaps the problem is that porn nowadays is relatively easy to make. So, a lot of people are making a lot of porn. And on top of this, porn-scene are often copied and posted for free on the Internet. Which has led to a drop in the price of porn so much, that it's hard to make good money at it.

Porn ladies can probably make more money through escorting, rather than through making porn. But making porn even in this situation makes sense for the ladies. Because their porn videos are a good way to attract customers and have them pay more money.

You got the point, without to understand it.
The true is not OF that is expensive, the true is that here content are underpriced.

An amateur video of a girl fucking 15 minute with a friend, on "private platform" can cost 10-20$, on PB GL478 (just to make an example) is 8.3tkt = 4.56$

For reference.
80 USD -> 144 tkt
80/144=0,55$
Price for 1 ticket, 0.55$

Just saying: 5tkt=2.75$
Or better an example: GL478 is 8.3tkt = 4.56$

GL478 is underpriced at least 300-400% respect to an homemade content, but the production cost of the content on PB is hundreds of time more expensive.

[101mike101]

This is a business model (in porn) bring to death.
....

Perhaps the problem is that porn nowadays is relatively easy to make. So, a lot of people are making a lot of porn. And on top of this, porn-scene are often copied and posted for free on the Internet. Which has led to a drop in the price of porn so much, that it's hard to make good money at it.

Porn ladies can probably make more money through escorting, rather than through making porn. But making porn even in this situation makes sense for the ladies. Because their porn videos are a good way to attract customers and have them pay more money.

You got the point, without to understand it.
The true is not OF that is expensive, the true is that here content are underpriced.

An amateur video of a girl fucking 15 minute with a friend, on "private platform" can cost 10-20$, on PB GL478 (just to make an example) is 8.3tkt = 4.56$

For reference.
80 USD -> 144 tkt
80/144=0,55$
Price for 1 ticket, 0.55$

Just saying: 5tkt=2.75$
Or better an example: GL478 is 8.3tkt = 4.56$

GL478 is underpriced at least 300-400% respect to an homemade content, but the production cost of the content on PB is hundreds of time more expensive.

I'm not sure that this is a fair way to calculate the difference in expense between an amateur doing it herself with a guy and a porn studio creating a porn scene.

Because one of the biggest expenses is the model fee. Both the guy and the lady need to get paid. So, you include this expense in your calculation for making a professional porn-scene. But you assume that the amateur lady and her guy are doing it for free, and they don't need any such fee. Which isn't fair. Because they are usually doing it for money too, and they are probably hoping to make at least as much money as people make in professional porn.

The only difference in the model expense is that the porn-studio assumes the risk and pays the ladies and the guys regardless of how successful the scene is. While in amateur porn, the lady and the guy assume the risk themselves, and they might or might not get paid.

But this difference doesn't mean that you can take out the model fee and assume that amateurs are doing it for free. The fairest way to calculate the expense would be to include the same model fees in both professional and amateur porn. And once you do that, then the difference in expense of making professional or amateur porn isn't as big as you say it is.

[bake0213]

The bottom line for the porn industry is that if people are willing to pay higher prices for shitty porn that meets their need in that moment, then those are $ lost to the studios. They have to hope they can charge more to the fewer who remain. I used to buy a scene a day, and now I buy a scene every 2 weeks. They have to make up for every person like me who spread their money elsewhere.

Models can perform less, direct their own content, and charge more. A win for them and a loss for the rest of us.

[101mike101]

The bottom line for the porn industry is that if people are willing to pay higher prices for shitty porn that meets their need in that moment, then those are $ lost to the studios. They have to hope they can charge more to the fewer who remain. I used to buy a scene a day, and now I buy a scene every 2 weeks. They have to make up for every person like me who spread their money elsewhere.

Models can perform less, direct their own content, and charge more. A win for them and a loss for the rest of us.

I think models being in control and directing their own content can motivate them to do more and harder stuff, than they would do otherwise with cocky guys.

A good example of this is Angela White. She was a hot big-tit lady, who never got an anal ride while she was working for others for a flat fee. But then she set up her own porn-company and started directing her own porn-films with herself in them. And that's when she started gaping her nice ass and doing anal, DP, DAP, and DPP. She directed her anal guys to nail her nice ass again and again. And they did a pretty good job too with their big dicks between her sexy ass-cheeks.

https://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=angelawhite/gender=f/angela-white.htm

When the hot lady is working for herself and taking the risk of not getting paid if her scene isn't popular, then she is much more likely to spread her cheeks and take on the anal dicks. Because in this situation she needs to look at it from the point of view of porn-fans and what they want to see her do with the guys. That's what being a porn-director is all about. And that's why she directs the anal guys to nail her nice ass.