Giorgio... :(

[dap-addict]

Most of Russian/Ucrain girls prefer prostitution, from my understanding, for 1 new girl that join porn 10 or so join prostitution.

Ist it also because there are so many agencies specialized in that field (Dubai, China, Paris etc) in Russia?
And on contrary even Art Niu (soft erotic) agencies you can count on 2 hands. And hard adult isn't present really at all.
Where have all the scouts gone?
I mean they could still earn money channeling new girls into porn, no?
You might loose them sooner or later to prostitution, the Paris-Dubai-China circle but first you shoot them 6-12months for your own projects.
Or do I see this too optimistic?

[Giorgio Grandi]

From what I understand, scout gets more money from prostitution, the double % comparing to porn and on an higher turnover.
You are very wrong if you think that adult model agencies are not involved in Prostitution, in fact I can only say that TWM does not do it, but according to the email "with references" from people involved in prostitution we get at TWM, is clear many other agency does it.

Challenge new girls into porn is as risky as do prostitution, so clearly most of scout prefer to risk for better money.

There is no solution

Most of Russian/Ucrain girls prefer prostitution, from my understanding, for 1 new girl that join porn 10 or so join prostitution.

Ist it also because there are so many agencies specialized in that field (Dubai, China, Paris etc) in Russia?
And on contrary even Art Niu (soft erotic) agencies you can count on 2 hands. And hard adult isn't present really at all.
Where have all the scouts gone?
I mean they could still earn money channeling new girls into porn, no?
You might loose them sooner or later to prostitution, the Paris-Dubai-China circle but first you shoot them 6-12months for your own projects.
Or do I see this too optimistic?

[dap-addict]

Giorgio, of course scout % from prostitution is higher since turnover from prostitution is higher, too.
And also of course many porn agencies are directly linked to prostitution, we just saw it this year when they busted or tried to bust Amour Russe and Khaula Dharma.
But isn't there still that more idealistic Art Niu wave in Russia and Ukraine?
The soft erotic way crossing to adult scouting at times as its also legal reasons they call themselves Art Niu?
Ist this an alternative way not really eaten up by the prostitution biz?
And arnt webcam girls like Kira Roller in Russia another possible source?


Finally, in your experience how many of your LP girls and/or TWM girls change for prostitution as a main source of income after 1 year working in porn for you?
30% ?
More?



[quote="Giorgio Grandi"]From what I understand, scout gets more money from prostitution, the double % comparing to porn and on an higher turnover.
You are very wrong if you think that adult model agencies are not involved in Prostitution, in fact I can only say that TWM does not do it, but according to the email "with references" from people involved in prostitution we get at TWM, is clear many other agency does it.

Challenge new girls into porn is as risky as do prostitution, so clearly most of scout prefer to risk for better money.

There is no solution

[Giorgio Grandi]

"Art Niu": it never really existed any wave, soft if very profitable for photographer and for the model. If you think that payout for a soft photo-shooting is higher then a payout for a BGa...

Giorgio, of course scout % from prostitution is higher since turnover from prostitution is higher, too.
And also of course many porn agencies are directly linked to prostitution, we just saw it this year when they busted or tried to bust Amour Russe and Khaula Dharma.
But isn't there still that more idealistic Art Niu wave in Russia and Ukraine?
The soft erotic way crossing to adult scouting at times as its also legal reasons they call themselves Art Niu?
Ist this an alternative way not really eaten up by the prostitution biz?
And arnt webcam girls like Kira Roller in Russia another possible source?


Finally, in your experience how many of your LP girls and/or TWM girls change for prostitution as a main source of income after 1 year working in porn for you?
30% ?
More?

From what I understand, scout gets more money from prostitution, the double % comparing to porn and on an higher turnover.
You are very wrong if you think that adult model agencies are not involved in Prostitution, in fact I can only say that TWM does not do it, but according to the email "with references" from people involved in prostitution we get at TWM, is clear many other agency does it.

Challenge new girls into porn is as risky as do prostitution, so clearly most of scout prefer to risk for better money.

There is no solution

[dap-addict]

"Art Niu": it never really existed any wave, soft if very profitable for photographer and for the model. If you think that payout for a soft photo-shooting is higher then a payout for a BGa...

Of course not!
But you got me wrong, Giorgio:
My question is wheter Art Niu cannot be a scouting system for better payout adult industry?

Its such a pity porn looses that battle against prostitution! But not completely - due to professionalism with some adult agencies and adult scouts at least.
But yes, I see even TWM is loosing girls to the prostitution biz (because of the higher income
But how many? 10% - 30% - 50%? After which time?

[Giorgio Grandi]

You did not get me at all, the payout for Soft (if the model is very good) is higher then a bga, and its easy to understand why: there are many sites with BG and just few soft websites, on soft market there is not much competition between website...
A very pretty girl is paid more for soft then for bg-anal!

We do not lose model because they join prostitution, we keep most of them coming if necessary, but most of girls that decide to shoot porn first, after increase the turnover with prostitution.

"Art Niu": it never really existed any wave, soft if very profitable for photographer and for the model. If you think that payout for a soft photo-shooting is higher then a payout for a BGa...

Of course not!
But you got me wrong, Giorgio:
My question is wheter Art Niu cannot be a scouting system for better payout adult industry?

Its such a pity porn looses that battle against prostitution! But not completely - due to professionalism with some adult agencies and adult scouts at least.
But yes, I see even TWM is loosing girls to the prostitution biz (because of the higher income
But how many? 10% - 30% - 50%? After which time?

[dap-addict]

You did not get me at all, the payout for Soft (if the model is very good) is higher then a bga, and its easy to understand why: there are many sites with BG and just few soft websites, on soft market there is not much competition between website...
A very pretty girl is paid more for soft then for bg-anal!

I know!
But then some or not that pretty.
They do 1-2 Art Niu shots and then they dont get booked anymore really, no? Cant you catch them for porn? Lost case, really?
I ask also because I get the impression some Russian Art Niu agencies are in touch somehow to EU adult agencies. Maybe its just called Art Niu Angecy for legal reasons in Putin Russia?

We do not lose model because they join prostitution, we keep most of them coming if necessary, but most of girls that decide to shoot porn first, after increase the turnover with prostitution.

I know you are full pro, dont worry!
But most girl are not, or they get tempted by the higher escort turnover. Question is when does it happen in the TWM average? Or asked the other way round: Given the unfavorable circumstances, for how many months can you actually plan a porn career of a TWM model now? How many months you are free and only with her so to say?
Sometimes I get the impression it is only 6mt.

[magizi877]

On the topic of repeating the models over and over, which I support, when are we gonna get more Nicole black, Scyley Jam or Monica Brown?



Giorgio teased us with scenes that were 3 on 1 followed by another 3 on 1 on the same model. When is that going to be released?

Did I misunderstood that?

[dap-addict]

On the topic of repeating the models over and over, which I support, when are we gonna get more Nicole black, Scyley Jam or Monica Brown?

Clear is now why Giorgio has to repeat the same girls: Simply for not loosing them to other sex works offered readily everywhere for them! Clearly to keep them pro porn actresses.
And if he has good performers selling fine on top, why shouldn't he do it?

Still, with most after some time there temptation to change the job is there.
(While some drop out for other reasons, family, bf, age etc. of course)
Question is how long can a director and agent at the same time as dedicated to porn as Giorgio Grandi be sure that if he can give them work in his projects?
Is it nowadays only 6mt?
Is it shorter with Czechs than Russians? Or the other way round?

[pastaga]

On the topic of repeating the models over and over, which I support, when are we gonna get more Nicole black, Scyley Jam or Monica Brown?

Clear is now why Giorgio has to repeat the same girls: Simply for not loosing them to other sex works offered readily everywhere for them! Clearly to keep them pro porn actresses.

Looks like Kira Roller is already offering meetings. I don't care as long as she is doing porn aside !
Lots of girls do both like Linda Sweet or Kiara Gold.
At least it's some kind of filter : only girls who truely like hardcore porn will keep doing it. Others will go escort or softcore...

[dap-addict]

99% of them do it aside of course, but for some time most of them also keep on high presence on porn, even Isabelle Clark, Linda Sweet or Susan Ayn did first porn mainly.
Question to understand Giorgio Grandis / TWMs situation is how much time nowadays they usually do wanna perform on porn sets (before they change the sex work genre)?
For how long is all this investment, the porn knowledge transfer, the Tw account building etc, done by Giorgio and Tarra?
Once it was 5 years, than when TWM started it was maybe 1-2 years, but now it looks like 6mt only!?

[pastaga]

99% of them do it aside of course, but for some time most of them also keep on high presence on porn, even Isabelle Clark, Linda Sweet or Susan Ayn did first porn mainly.
Question to understand Giorgio Grandis / TWMs situation is how much time nowadays they usually do wanna perform on porn sets (before they change the sex work genre)?
For how long is all this investment, the porn knowledge transfer, the Tw account building etc, done by Giorgio and Tarra?
Once it was 5 years, than when TWM started it was maybe 1-2 years, but now it looks like 6mt only!?

I guess there is no general rule. Some girls will stay in porn 3 months, others 10 years.
Look at girls like Alexis Crystal, Hnenessy or Angel Piaff. They're in porn for quite a long time. I guess it only depends of why they're here : to pay studies, to get money while raising a baby, or only because they love sex work.

[dap-addict]

Of course its individual.
But its still also economics, demand and fashion sort of.
All you examples started with porn a few years ago.
My concern and question for Giorgio is about 2017/2018 rookie starters.
I got the impression GIO/TWM can't even count on 1 year in average anymore.

[pastaga]

Who left TWM after 3 months ? Selvaggia, Kira, Monika and others are still here !

[Giorgio Grandi]

IF you seen girl from TWM on B.B. or E.B. they are there trough us as we have an agreement of “model share” with these agencies

[dap-addict]

IF you seen girl from TWM on B.B. or E.B. they are there trough us as we have an agreement of “model share” with these agencies

I think he didn't mean left for BB but left for prostitution.
Me, I still just wonder for how long you can nowadays realistically plan a porn girl career?
Because as you say most do sooner or later opt for escort as their main source of income.
But whats sooner - and what's later? How long is realistic an average TWM/BB model share girl porn career in 2017/18?

[Jimbo8012395]

Of course its individual.
But its still also economics, demand and fashion sort of.
All you examples started with porn a few years ago.
My concern and question for Giorgio is about 2017/2018 rookie starters.
I got the impression GIO/TWM can't even count on 1 year in average anymore.

It's not difficult why girls are more reluctant to star in porn now than before.

Back in the late 90's/early 2000's, there were very internet porn sites, broadband was in its infancy and there was no internet piracy (tube sites, one-click filehosting services, torrents etc). The chances of someone close (family, friends etc) finding out their daughter or sister or friend was in porn were far fewer particularly if she came from Eastern Europe. Now every man and his dog has access to the internet via their phones. There's zero chance her family won't find out especially as Legalporno pirated content is so easy to find online.

In addition, the money is nowhere near as good because it's harder for producers to make money from porn and that filters down to the talent and the content they perform. Look at Brandon Iron in the early 2000's filming bukkake, gokkun, DP, DAP by the dozen etc compared to what he filmed recently (I don't think he's even in the industry anymore). The game has changed.

[pastaga]

But then how do you explain that there's more and more performers on the US market lately ? (fix me if I'm wrong but it looks like this)

Do US studio pay better ? Because they belong to mindgeek ? Because doing escort is harder in the US ?
Also I think the borders between cam, [spam] and porn have never been tinier, which may help.

[Valo597]

Giorgio, since people are suggesting you change things up a bit, how about bringing in another hardcore American star? You've had great success with Angel Smalls and Charlotte Sartre. You should try and bring in Veronica Avluv. She's just as hardcore as anyone out there. She does it all and even wants to do piss scenes for LP. She has a huge following on here. With you directing, I think you could make some amazing scenes with her. Bring her in for a couple weeks and shoot 5 - 6 scenes. It would be perfection.

[Giorgio Grandi]

In USA is usual for most of website to shoot several scenes with the same model, this is the main difference from europe.
Payout are higher then europe, for sure, but is also true that life is more expensive...

But then how do you explain that there's more and more performers on the US market lately ? (fix me if I'm wrong but it looks like this)

Do US studio pay better ? Because they belong to mindgeek ? Because doing escort is harder in the US ?
Also I think the borders between cam, [spam] and porn have never been tinier, which may help.

[dap-addict]

Another aspect is that some girls also come from prostitution to porn and stay there for good or at least quite a long time.
Alysa is an example, Jessyka Wild (really very adorable!), Monika Wild (even more adorable!) too, it seems.
(sorry if I am wrong here! No pun intended)

On the other hand - the bad side - who left GIO after less than 1 year for this other main sex work income?
- Who did it without being on TWM (just working for GIO on set, but no model contract with Tarra)?
- Who did it despite TWMs great involvement and help to get more work porn scenes?
(the really sad cases annulling almost all investment by the agent)

[Giorgio Grandi]

..
On the other hand - the bad side - who left GIO after less than 1 year for this other main sex work income?
- Who did it without being on TWM (just working for GIO on set, but no model contract with Tarra)?
- Who did it despite TWMs great involvement and help to get more work porn scenes?
(the really sad cases annulling almost all investment by the agent)

I think no one, who left or hes been kicked out was for different reason

[dap-addict]

Didn't mean to say you should to pick them out because they do mostly prositution.
I think it comes by itself in this case anyway, because a model will get very difficult to manage, flake a lot, be ill a lot, have a full schedule (of that other sex work) always.

Question still is do you know of models working for you who within less than 1 year left porn for prostitution basically?
Or is prostitution option only a problem at the scouting new girls level?



Giorgio, thanks for all your very valid input here!
Thanks for letting users know whats going on!

[Giorgio Grandi]

Prostitution option is a problem in scouting for the most, because the initial offer is much higher

[dap-addict]

Prostitution option is a problem in scouting for the most, because the initial offer is much higher

I understood!
But later not anymore?



Why I ask?: I can imagine prostitution scouts also try later to get your girls over to work for them instead of working for you in porn. No?
Are they all that fair?
As fair as those other (not very professional than) adult agencies with links to prostitution?

[Wotan29]

@Valo597:

Totally agree! Veronica Avluv and Giorgio Grando would make a great combo. Unfortunately last year he missed her. Maybe this kinky sexbeast brings out the creativity in him again...

What I´d like to see with her:

BLACK BULLS ASS MASSACRE
Bring in a gang with the biggest black cocks possible and let them fuck her asshole like never before (and man, the bar is damn high as she has done almost anyything with her ass...). Please no DAP and TAP circus acts, rather 1 on 1 ballsdeep ass hammering - one after another, again and again and again, sometimes simultaneously facefucked really hard in all positions. Scene length at least one hour, she needs to be fucked almost in unconsciousness. If one pornstar can handle this treatment, then it´s Veronica Avluv (just watch her 1 on 1 scene with Bryan Gozzling).

A PISS STAR IS BORN
Preliminary note: She once said, that she would love to shoot piss scenes for LP. Later she backed down a bit, because it could negatively impact her US career. (Only very few US pornstars turn piss scenes in Europe.) If she does piss, please like that: No "standardized" soaking wet scene, where the main focus unfortunately is, that also a scene without wet content can be sold. Instead, full piss treatment in all variations. Which means simply: She gets fucked and pissed on at the same time - and of course drinks and slurps as much as possible.

One last request: Add on a lot of dirty talking. Veronica Avluv is predestined for it!

[blublubeacha]

veronica and giorgio absolutely. instabuy for sure

[dap-addict]

If it goes like Giorgio is foreseeing with porn vs. prostitution in Europe (EU and Russia!), only US pornstar imports can save us.
Than all Avluvs, Applegates, Chases a.o. will easily again and again turn up at his Prague studio.
And ticket prices will easily double or tripple without giving Czech girls better salaries.
I hope there is an alternative future, though!

[kidloco2]

Unlike in porn, global regular jobs' salaries significantly went up over the last years in Europe. Job and business opportunities for smarter and/or beautiful women are much broader. It's not an exception for a woman to get higher income than her partner.
And for the others, there is always prostitution/escort as well as social media that makes money.

Many years ago, girls preferred porn over escorting and prostitution because of avoiding common problems like STDs, harsh clients and environment or society opinion on prostitution. And there was limited space for cheap instant self promotion (no social media) and global traveling was not so common.
Not anymore today. Nobody fears of STDs, global traveling and acco is cheap and self promotion cost a few clicks.

Continuing this way, sooner or later porn will become only marginal matter. To make a global change in porn, some parameters in the formula above
have to change, so prostitution/escort won't be preferred over it.

A global crisis would certainly help .

[magizi877]

Many years ago, girls preferred porn over escorting and prostitution because of avoiding common problems like STDs, harsh clients and environment or society opinion on prostitution. And there was limited space for cheap instant self promotion (no social media) and global traveling was not so common.
Not anymore today. Nobody fears of STDs, global traveling and acco is cheap and self promotion cost a few clicks.

Do you realize Gonzo stopped producing scenes last year because of an STD?

[Chi_Cha]

But then how do you explain that there's more and more performers on the US market lately ? (fix me if I'm wrong but it looks like this)

Do US studio pay better ? Because they belong to mindgeek ? Because doing escort is harder in the US ?

More performers because, Us studios pay better for sure, i have read 13k $ for a simple anal scene of Riley Reid with Greg Lansky, they can afford it because the audience is big for mainstream content, more audience = more income, everyone here like double anal/gape/prolapse ect... but i've shown some lp stuff to "online friends" and they didn't like it, too hardcore for them, lp porn is still a niche market even if we all wish it to be more popular. There is also the fact that Us girls can build a worldwide image on social medias since they speak english while not all the eastern euro girls can, having a good image makes a model more sellable, and now with the new app [spam] they can have even more money just with social networking. At last, Mindgeek earn so much money with pornportal and all the big tube sites they bought , full of stolen content and ads they can easily pay newcomers but that doesn't mean you can't be successful if you are not under a big corporation, Greg Lansky who was a director for Reality Kings went independant, now he runs his own websites and is successful as f.

To come back on the lack of "new faces", it doesn't seem to me gonzo studio is running out of fishes or maybe you were talking about "double anal" fishes ? i know double anal sells good but maybe you should consider mixing it with models less hardcore that doing only simple anal, like this you have more fishes at your disposal . Puting that aside, to break the monotony of your scene i think you should work on your intro, the girls mostly appeared in underwear directly, you should always let them wear an outfit to do more teasing while undressing their sexy outfits, add more diversity to the lingerie, the classic black stocking is so boring and it's too often black or white you should diversify color and shape, especially when there is all sort of modern & "see through" lingerie out there, if it's too expensive then at least fishnets and pantyhose, more diversity to the high heels, nailart and on top of that fake accesories like earings, necklaces and bracelets, also haircut variations ... let them long though.

Recently i was impressed by one of brazzers' intro of kayla kayden with neon stuff ... this is so futuristic

[Giorgio Grandi]

let me clarify this.
Where the STD come from? They can from outside porn to porn, thats the rule (in general).
Well sometimes we have STD in porn because:
1-Producer did not take care to test all performers (and the perform did not check the test between each other), its rare but its still working
2-Performers did not keep a responsible conduct outside of the stage
3-bf or gf of the performer do not keep a responsible conduct outside of the stage
4-agent intentionally let shoot a performer that suppose to be in quarantine with a trick or allow a performer with a test that is not verified to perform
5-actor that shoot gay and also etero (as gay industry in CZ doesnt require the medical certificate for some STD that in etero are mandatory) or girl that have a bf what shoots gay

There are no other way for a STD to join porn. Take your conclusions from where STD came from the most.

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change topic

15 years ago without internet if (in CZ) you wanted to be a prostitute the solution where 2:
-brothel, means work for few bucks
-pickup foreigners and tourist in the disco
-street hooking
Porn was more profitable at that time, no matter if parents discovery you, the difference was high. Consider that 15 years ago with 1 year of shooting you was able to buy a small flat in some nice area of Prague, now I do not know any female performer that bough her own flat in the last 5 years (in Prague)

Now a prostitute in Cz is in general paid 5 time more then 15 years ago, but a porn model is paid the same.
Here we are not talking about "fish only", but we talk about big fish. Go back in 2005, make a list of performers and you see the difference in the "quality" of the "human material" involved in pornography in CZ with the actual market.

Lets offer to a new girl 5 time more then in 2005 and you will see what kind of girl would still join porn

Many years ago, girls preferred porn over escorting and prostitution because of avoiding common problems like STDs, harsh clients and environment or society opinion on prostitution. And there was limited space for cheap instant self promotion (no social media) and global traveling was not so common.
Not anymore today. Nobody fears of STDs, global traveling and acco is cheap and self promotion cost a few clicks.

Do you realize Gonzo stopped producing scenes last year because of an STD?

[kidloco2]

^ yeah, so true. BTW what kind of thing or change would possibly allow you to pay five times more to performers?

[dap-addict]

Now a prostitute in Cz is in general paid 5 time more then 15 years ago, but a porn model is paid the same.
Here we are not talking about "fish only", but we talk about big fish. Go back in 2005, make a list of performers and you see the difference in the "quality" of the "human material" involved in pornography in CZ with the actual market.

Lets offer to a new girl 5 time more then in 2005 and you will see what kind of girl would still join porn

Ok, taken.
But at the same time the girl does 1 DAP per month and earns in a few hours of work the same as the average Czech income, doing it in 2on1 or 3on1 mode only.
Ok, in Prague the average income end 2016 was 1400euro, but in all other regions - and most for girls dont come from Prague proper - it was much lower. In Karlovy Vary for instance the average was only 868euro. And now tell me for some girls not aiming at working 9 to 5 every day, porn wasnt way attractive still!?

[Chi_Cha]

^ yeah, so true. BTW what kind of thing or change would possibly allow you to pay five times more to performers?

Answer is evident, marketing, get more income by getting more customers, whereas there is so many porn producer out there, increase the visibility of the studio , do advertising across the web and social medias, it works like any other business in the end, even though it's harder to sell porn nowadays because of all the porn piracy (not only a porn case), fans will always pay to support their favorite production, polish every detail in your movies and try to improve your quality of your work every day like an art , i ve read once the mother of Greg Lansky dissuade him to do high quality content, she told him that it won't be "profitable" and there he is on tops.

[dap-addict]

Now a prostitute in Cz is in general paid 5 time more then 15 years ago, but a porn model is paid the same.
Here we are not talking about "fish only", but we talk about big fish. Go back in 2005, make a list of performers and you see the difference in the "quality" of the "human material" involved in pornography in CZ with the actual market.

Lets offer to a new girl 5 time more then in 2005 and you will see what kind of girl would still join porn

Ok, taken.
But at the same time the girl does 1 DAP per month and earns in a few hours of work the same as the average Czech income, doing it in 2on1 or 3on1 mode only.
Ok, in Prague the average income end 2016 was 1400euro, but in all other regions - and most for girls dont come from Prague proper - it was much lower. In Karlovy Vary for instance the average was only 868euro. And now tell me for some girls not aiming at working 9 to 5 every day, porn wasnt way attractive still!?

Completely forgot to point n at the average monthly salaries in Russia and Ukraine from where about half of our porn models come meanwhile:
In Russia average income is about 300euro / month
Moscow is more of course - 800euro /month
Piter is at 600e / month
But again, most porn girls may live meanwhile in Piter or Moscow officially but they basically commute from their home towns, i. e. 300e / month area.

In Ukraine its even lower average income:
Across the country average is 150e / month
Kiev is higher of course - 250e / month

Now ever been looking for an answer why more and more Ukrainian girls fine their way into porn?!
1 DAP performed in Prague = half a day of work = half a year average income at home!

[twistedvincent]

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!???
OMG, that's only about 300 USD a month, which is below the poverty level in the US.
Holy Shit!

[dKqd6b]

But you can't compare the cost of living in the US and the Ukraine.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Now a prostitute in Cz is in general paid 5 time more then 15 years ago, but a porn model is paid the same.
Here we are not talking about "fish only", but we talk about big fish. Go back in 2005, make a list of performers and you see the difference in the "quality" of the "human material" involved in pornography in CZ with the actual market.

Lets offer to a new girl 5 time more then in 2005 and you will see what kind of girl would still join porn

Ok, taken.
But at the same time the girl does 1 DAP per month and earns in a few hours of work the same as the average Czech income, doing it in 2on1 or 3on1 mode only.
Ok, in Prague the average income end 2016 was 1400euro, but in all other regions - and most for girls dont come from Prague proper - it was much lower. In Karlovy Vary for instance the average was only 868euro. And now tell me for some girls not aiming at working 9 to 5 every day, porn wasnt way attractive still!?

Completely forgot to point n at the average monthly salaries in Russia and Ukraine from where about half of our porn models come meanwhile:
In Russia average income is about 300euro / month
Moscow is more of course - 800euro /month
Piter is at 600e / month
But again, most porn girls may live meanwhile in Piter or Moscow officially but they basically commute from their home towns, i. e. 300e / month area.

In Ukraine its even lower average income:
Across the country average is 150e / month
Kiev is higher of course - 250e / month

Now ever been looking for an answer why more and more Ukrainian girls fine their way into porn?!
1 DAP performed in Prague = half a day of work = half a year average income at home!

Came on, like DAP is a candy you get in the morning, but anyway: 1 month in Corea in Bordel equal to over 8 year of salary.
Shit for shit, you take the higher profit

[dap-addict]

Now I understand why Seoul ha become a favorite travel destination of some former porn girls!

Ok, I get what you wanna say.
Porn always loses because prostitution ist payed better.
Still, prostitution is much much more time spent at work, porn has really to offer that in just half a day they get 1mt income (Czech girls), 4mt (Russian girls) and 6mt (Ukrainian girls).
Ok, maybe DAP isn't morning candy, lets say single anal than: In this case its 1 day porn work = 1mt/4mt/6mt.
Prostitution involves travel (not ideal for young Czech mothers like...x and y) and other in-cooodities, Arab sheiks wishes, Coran clerks wishes, Chineese party bosses wishes etc.