Alexa Nova's porn diary

[Boshanks]

So I've previously raised my concerns regarding the use of anesthetic in porn and the inherent dangers that could arise from something so irresponsible. The last time I had this debate I stated that what was being achieved on this site was questionable, that it was being achieved unnaturally and in my opinion dangerously. I said the studio were clearly providing the means for these models to artificially achieve DAP on set, and that this practice is beyond studid and poses real threats to their health.

Of course the loudest two showed up to defend this, dap-addict and gapefan, telling me I was anti LP, I have no idea what's going on and I'm speculating, that it was Monica Santiago who brought anesthetic to set, that LP can't control what the models do, that it's free will, blah blah blah.

So I just wanted to have this discussion again in light of what I already knew to be true. As you will see from miss Nova's diary https://steemit.com/life/@alexanova/diary-of-a-pornstar-i-m-back-recap-of-my-2017-so-far, she is overwhelmingly positive about her visit to LP, she seemed to have a great time and got to do several scenes while in Prague. The part I found the most interesting though was this

Then I did a 5 on 1 double anal scene for a different Legal Porno director.... Giorgio! I put a mini football in my ass for the intro, that was intense! But definitely helped me prepare for the scene, lol... the director insisted that I use numbing stuff for my butthole... and I was like, “I've never had to use numbing stuff in any of the anal scenes I've done before.” and he still insisted, so I put on a tiny bit.

So like I've been saying for months, what's being achieved here is being done dangerously and with little regard for the models safety. I wonder how positive Alexa would have been about her trip if she'd suffered an injury because she was numb to what was being done to her body, or the ramifications and bad publicity it would have caused for the site if something like this was to occur. It should also be taken in to consideration that Alexa is an anal pro that's been practicing for years, and in her own words, it was still insisted that she use it. She said that she's never had to use anything like that before, indicating that nobody else has ever insisted on her using such a product, dismissing any defensive claims previously made by others that this is common practice.

Ask yourself now how brand new 18 year old models are doing what they're doing for this site and who's instigating it. I thought the last time I had this conversation that the silence from LP regarding my concerns spoke volumes, and now I know why.

I personally have no interest in supporting porn where the models are numb to what they're experiencing, I also have no interest in supporting a director who has a blatant disregard for the womens welfare by insisting they take these measures when performing for him. It's only a matter of time before a serious incident shines a light on what's happening at LP.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Came on: "Numbing", are you serious?

Im using a gel with a percentage of lidocaine between 1 and 2.5%, lower dose then the lidocaine I got when I did a nose inspection (dont know how to call it, they just introduced a viewer in my nose), that was 4.5% and it was painful anyway.
The great benefit of this cream I use is not the anesthesia, the benefit is that if almost do not get dry for longer time.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Well, really is that serious?

..."That scene was released the next day, and did ridiculously well. Just checked and it has had 189,971 views....... and they have to pay for it, for it to register as a 'view'. Each person paid $5 to view it...... 189,971 views x $5 = $949,855 that was profited from that one scene. I got paid approximately 0.18% of that profit amount for that scene. That's pretty sad, haha. We don't get royalties i..."

Views are related to the trailer for fuck say not the the amount of sales....

[Boshanks]

Came on: "Numbing", are you serious?

Im using a gel with a percentage of lidocaine between 1 and 2.5%, lower dose then the lidocaine I got when I did a nose inspection (dont know how to call it, they just introduced a viewer in my nose), that was 4.5% and it was painful anyway.
The great benefit of this cream I use is not the anesthesia, the benefit is that if almost do not get dry for longer time.

Numbing was the word she used, I'm going to assume she has a better understanding of how your lidocaine affected her body, unless of course you regularly rub it in to your own asshole and you're calling her a liar ?

You say the great benefit of it is its lubricating properties ? They have a product for that, it's called lube, and it doesn't have any of the negative and serious side effects that lidocaine can have on the body. You know as well as I do that this product is not for anal sex, you also know that it's what is allowing you to achieve what you are with these models.

Why are you insisting on its use, and why are you using it at all for sex acts ?

[Giorgio Grandi]

Normal lube gets dry faster and specially get "white" in my opinion when the action gets fast and intense.
Also a tube of good anal lube cost like 30 euro and finish after 3 days, this solution is cheaper and more efficient.
Also, you can ask any doctor and he will agree that this amount of lidocaine wont have any side effect and not even a concrete benefit in the action.

Said that, I do not call anyone a liar, I think she did not use the proper words and as the diary she wrote contain several other inaccuracies Im not really considering reliable.


I would not even have posted an answer If I had read her diary before

[Boshanks]

I know for a fact that if I asked any doctor if lidocaine was okay to use as lubrication for anal sex, the answer would be a resounding no, but we both know that the lube angle is bullshit anyway.

The possible complications with its use in any dosage are well documented and extensive, especially when it gets in to the bloodstream, so surely you can understand that using it to perform prolonged and vigorous anal sex is an unnecessary risk to the models, and one you're probably not educating them properly on either, and for what, to save some euros ?

[Giorgio Grandi]

ok, Boshanks, as you say.

[deanob73]

Is it just me or do others think, if a model chooses to do porn, the onus is also on her to at least browse the scene content of those she intends to work for?

I'm pretty sure a model can say no to any producer her agency may put her forward for.

What's more there has to be some girls who take the "I won't knock it until I try it" approach. They do a DAP scene and may think "noooope, never again" and all power to them for it.

Im less worried about a model filming one DAP scene every two weeks than the recent increase in prolapsing. That fetish is out and out dangerous and nothing good can come of it.

That's my two cents. And remember opinions are like assholes, we all have one.

[Boshanks]

I agree with some of this, but how does a model look at scene content and know she's gonna be told to use a numbing agent when she turns up to work ? Further more, this isn't as black and white as onus. Some of these young girls are impressionable, some might not be the brightest and are just trying to earn a quick buck to get out of a shit situation or pay for an education. Is there not an onus on the director to act responsibly and not practice something as stupid as this ?

The issue here is a topical anesthetic being used inappropriately, that's been confirmed here today, it's supposedly being used as a fucking lube, but not only that, it's being insisted upon. What the fuck is going on ?

I don't see this as having an opinion, anyone with common sense can surely understand how dangerous this is. There is a reason Alexa has never encountered anyone else making such demands to perform anal.

I know why it's use is being insisted on, as does everyone else including Giorgio. Take a look around at every single other website in operation, what is the glaringly obvious difference that only this site is somehow achieving on a daily basis, and at whose potential expense ?

[deanob73]

Can't say I disagree, very interesting discussion.

[magizi877]

Can point us out to the source that informs this medicine puts ones life at risk?

[Boshanks]

Sure, it's called google. It's not hard to educate yourself about the complications and sensitivity to lidocaine regardless of concentration.

For the lazy

Lidocaine Side Effects

Common Side Effects of Lidocaine

High blood pressure
Swelling or swelling or redness of the skin at the site of injection if receiving lidocaine via injection into the veins
Constipation, nausea, and/or vomiting
Confusion, dizziness, headache, funny feeling or tingling in the toes, fingers, or hands

Serious Side Effects

Changes in heart rhythm
Methemoglobinemia, a very rare-yet-serious blood disorder caused by the blood not being able to carry as much oxygen as it normally would
A condition called malignant hyperthermia where body temperature can rise as high as 113 degrees Fahrenheit with fever, sweating, racing, heartbeat, muscle pain
Seizures
Anaphylaxis, a sudden, severe, and life-threatening allergic reaction where your tongue and throat swell, your throat may close, you break out in hives, your blood drops to a dangerously low level, and you have trouble breathing

Rare Side Effects

Lidocaine may cause some unpredictable side effects including baldness and dizziness.

Does this sound like something that should be used as lube for anal, or even be on a porn set ?

[Giorgio Grandi]

This post looks like a crusade and its the more incredible bullshit you can find on internet.

January 2017
We got a nice model but she was struggling with anal, too much for my taste. So we decided to bring her to a proctologist for a check up, I supposed she had some internal issue. Our model manager leave the room because the doctor wants to look at her. After the visit he suggested her 2 localised injection of mesocain one inside and one around the asshole, the model agrees and she gets directly the injection and also a prescription for a 6% lidacain for surgical use.
4 days after she was on the stage and she was struggling as before.
That was not our proctologist, we google it and we simply chose him because his location had a good parking. Doctor decision.

2001
My girlfriend was diagnosed @Anal fissures@. Therapy: insertion with Dilatan (google for it) for 3 weeks, every day for at least 30 minute using 2.5 lidocaine cream. The lidocain cream had a very specific meaning in this therapy for what I remember. Doctor decision.

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Stud spray (12 fucking percent lidocain, google for it), its used for delay the orgasm applied directly on the dick or in the gay community for "relax the asshole". 12 fucking % directly on the dick, basically everyone using this spay suppose to be dead already.

In the case of the cream I use, according to paperwork attached to the item is possible to use a full @cream tube@ for fill out completely the urethra in the case of catheter insertion (this is one of the application). We consume like 2 tubes/month with an average of 15 scenes. Each tube is about 15g of cream, means in average 2 grams of cream for each scene. There is not margin for overdose.

If you are concerned about the health of models, you should start with something else.

May 2015
The model "EE" arrive at the makeup at 8:30 in the morning, she did not sleep all the night because she was parting with cocaine. She was not even able to properly clean her ass and she even shitted in the makeup room. Sent at home.

March 2017
A hungarian model contact me from Budapest asking for job, but she is scary about anal sex. I told her Ive my system and she asked me if I use the same "method" as "Mr. KK", I answer Im not going to stick 1/2 gram of cocaine in her ass, this was her answer: "Haha, ok"

Spring 2015
Working like actor on a kind of very good production with also an american girl. The girl refuse to perform in anal unless someone wont provide her cocaine, she even complain the production is "not professional" because there is no cocaine available on the table.

Summer 2017
When I tried to speak with a model for understand the reason of her very strange behavior and attitude she claims to have been taking cristal math for the last 6 months almost every day and she doesnt feel in confort to be sober.

Spring 2017
I discovered that several girls from Cz worked for a website where the topic was a model drinking heavy alcohol to feel bad and to vomit, naturally naked. You can google smt if you really want to be disgusted.

To accuse me that I do not care of the people I work with, is really a nonsense since I work almost every time with the same people and most of the time if I shoot a model only one time if because of my decision (even if clearly there are model that do not like to work with me). Also, just for make it more clear, no one is giving to the models "lidocaine", but a cream that contact a low percentage that anyone can buy in farmacy without prescription.

Also your information about side effects are wrong very wrong, here we go with something realistic:

More common:
Flushing or redness of the skin
itching skin
small red or purple spots on the skin
unusually warm skin

Less common:
Bruising, bleeding, burning, swelling, or pain at the application site

All the more "heavy" side effect are noted as "Frequency not reported", means its rare, very rare.
More informations - drugs com / sfx/ lidocaine-side-effects.html

The side effect you reported are not common at all.

[Boshanks]

Tell me, Giorgio, does your over the counter cream say for external use only ?

First point: doctor doesn't say to use internally, or to go back on set in a few days and use it as lube.

Second point: what your girlfriend would have been given was to help with pain externally, once again, not internally or to be used as lube. It was to aid recovery, not so that she could carry on performing anal.

Third point: A quick google of stud spray says this in its warnings about use, Do not apply to broken or inflamed skin, or use if your partner is pregnant. If you have, or have had, liver or kidney problems ask your doctor before using the spray.

Fourth point: It's not about margin for overdose, it's not a fucking lube, it's not for numbing the anus so that you can perform anal, and it's not supposed to be administered by somebody who has no idea about the medical history of the person they insist use it, i.e liver, kidney or heart issues. It has a very real threat of causing complications when used inappropriately, and is totally unnecessary in this instance.

Fifth point: What women do off set is out of your control, what they do on your set, or more specifically what you're insisting they do in this case, is in your control. Whether they can buy it over the counter or not is completely irrelevant, there are hundreds of creams you can buy over the counter, are you suggesting they can all be used as lube ?

The side effects I posted came directly from the first result on google http://www.everydayhealth.com/drugs/lidocaine

The second result brings up https://www.drugs.com/sfx/lidocaine-side-effects.html

The third result brings up details specific to topical creams http://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-8532-9170/lidocaine-topical/lidocaine-topical/details#uses

The second link demonstrates that the side effects of Lidocaine once inside the body can be far more serious and is information specifically for healthcare professionals, not directors playing doctor on a porn set. The third has several mentions on the dangers of getting it near different body parts, including internally.

What does what you're using say about internal oral or anal use ? Or better yet, just link the product you're using to perform anal and I'll look myself.

[magizi877]

I did googled before asking, you don't have to be so rude.
I just didn't found anything that was rare about it, as far as drugs are concerned anyway.
I think you want to make it sound worse than what it is.

For instance if you google a commonly used drug, called aspire, you can find an almost endless list of adverse effects.
There are famous people who have died because they were allergic to it. But those are very rare.
Most of us happily drink the goddam pill if we have a headache or present fever without a second thought.

Every medicine or drug may present side effects.
You want to make it sound like these happen all the time.
And you are not even taking into consideration the weight of the user and the size of the doze, or how frequent is being used.
If Alexa was truthful and that was her first time using it, then it doesn't sound like she has a drug addiction problem
and as with most drugs, what actually kills you, is overdose.

[Boshanks]

And you don't have to be sarcastic when asking for a source

You're completely missing my point. Of course all drugs have potential side effects, and guidelines are set out and put in place for their use to prevent someone potentially experiencing them. In this case, a drug is being used for methods outside of its intended use, which could potentially cause complications that are completely unnecessary, especially considering his claims that it's being used for lube (which is bullshit btw, it's being used to numb the anus so that prolonged DAP is more achievable)

Most of us happily take a pill for a headache because we know it's been developed and gone through extensive testing specifically for that purpose. Nobody has done extensive testing on the safety of using a topical anesthetic as lube for anal sex, add to that the dangers of oral consumption that's occurring every time the model does ass to mouth.

Taken from the webmd page for topical creams containing Lidocaine:

Before using this medication, tell your doctor or pharmacist your medical history, especially of: broken skin/infection in the area where lidocaine is to be used, heart disease, liver disease.

Remember that your doctor has prescribed this medication because he or she has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects

In this instance Dr Giorgio has decided it's safe to use as lube.


But forget about the potential side effects of the medication for a second and instead think about the effect it's having on the body. Taken from the same webmd page for topical creams containing Lidocaine:

Lidocaine is a local anesthetic that works by causing temporary numbness/loss of feeling in the skin and mucous membranes.

What about that description suggests to you that this is a good idea for new models performing extreme and physically demanding insertions ? If you're numb to what your doing, how do you know when your body is warning you about potential damage ? And more importantly, why is its use being insisted upon.

[magizi877]

Just noticed I misspelled aspirin. lol

What about that description suggests to you that this is a good idea for new models performing extreme and physically demanding insertions ? If you're numb to what your doing, how do you know when your body is warning you about potential damage ? And more importantly, why is its use being insisted upon.

Anal sex does kinda hurts.

Honestly I could come up with dozens of reasons.
For instance, the babes get paid a lot of money, and they need to look good.
So it is probable that Giorgio thinks it's too high of a risk to have a scene cancelled, if the girl thinks she can't handle it, or if the scene underperforms in the sales because people look at the trailer and it appears she is having the worst day of her life.

You know we don't have the perspective of knowing what works and what doesn't work, like porn directors do.
You need to relax and take into account that this is what he does for a living and he's been doing it for a long, long time.

My most logical reason is that if you can get Lidocaine at a drug store without prescription, Is not as bad as you think.
Also as per wikipedia, this substance was discovered in 1946, pharmaceuticals are in that business to make money
and it is in their best interest that the drugs they sell, don't kill their customers.

I'm still old fashion and think spit is the best type of lube, lol. But Europeans probably think is too gross.
Giorgio probably uses it for it's numbing effect and at the same time, found out it works better than lube and cheaper.

Think about it like this, pretend for a minute that porn actresses are stunt actors for an action film,
They jump from moving vehicles, get beaten, jump off buildings etc, it is a risky job. Injuries do occur.
You are the guy telling them their job is too risky and not worth doing.
But you don't understand that's what they like to do and the injuries are part of it.

In this case Lidocaine is used as a painkiller, simple as that.

I'm gonna go back to make some more gifs and maybe play some Overwatch
Don't lose sleep over this and if all else fails, just blame the DAP fans. lol

[HwtOxc8K]

This thread is entertaining

Spring 2017
I discovered that several girls from Cz worked for a website where the topic was a model drinking heavy alcohol to feel bad and to vomit, naturally naked. You can google smt if you really want to be disgusted.

What do I need to google? I have to know more about this important issue!

[Giorgio Grandi]

First point: doctor doesn't say to use internally, or to go back on set in a few days and use it as lube.


"in gel è indicato per facilitare le manovre endouretrali, quali: l'introduzione nell'uretra di cateteri; dilatazioni ed esami della vescica (cistoscopia) a scopo esplorativo e curativo"

Use google translator, internal use is allowed.

Second point: what your girlfriend would have been given was to help with pain externally, once again, not internally or to be used as lube. It was to aid recovery, not so that she could carry on performing anal.
It was used as lube for insert the "dilatan"

Third point: A quick google of stud spray says this in its warnings about use, Do not apply to broken or inflamed skin, or use if your partner is pregnant. If you have, or have had, liver or kidney problems ask your doctor before using the spray.
That was just a example of how "staff" with lidocaine is used n high percentage

Fourth point: It's not about margin for overdose, it's not a fucking lube, it's not for numbing the anus so that you can perform anal, and it's not supposed to be administered by somebody who has no idea about the medical history of the person they insist use it, i.e liver, kidney or heart issues. It has a very real threat of causing complications when used inappropriately, and is totally unnecessary in this instance.
I dont force anyone, but I strongly suggest it and as I said is prescripted as anal "lube" for the insertion of the dilatan. Its not a "very real threat" at all even thinking we used this cream even 15 years ago in italy.

Fifth point: What women do off set is out of your control, what they do on your set, or more specifically what you're insisting they do in this case, is in your control. Whether they can buy it over the counter or not is completely irrelevant, there are hundreds of creams you can buy over the counter, are you suggesting they can all be used as lube ?
This is a good point anyway, but lets make it like this. You came here to have anal sex, rough anal sex and you need to do it properly. You know this from before and technically its not my problem how you do it. I suggest you to use my cream, I strongly suggest it specially if I dont know you, but I will not avoid to shoot if you dont want. On the other side if you dont perform properly or if you are evidently in pain I will interrupt the scene (no matter what lube you use. So far most of CZ models are using a lidocaine cream from CZ ( about 5%, I dont remember and they buy the cream themselves) and in russia is common to use "EGIS Lidocaine 10%" for anal shooting with new models. I dont even talk about cases of cocaine inserted in the ass directly (in europe)

You can continue to post side effects of "lidocaine" in general and you are not posting side effect of a cream contain low percentage. You can really push this topic forever but I want change a system that in the last 15 years did not give any issue.

You make is look like we fill the ass internally and externally with anesthetic, but this for sure not happening.

I really told all I need to tell in this topic except the fact that we also do not technically use lidocaine as lube, but we use a gel containing a low percentage of lidocaine as "lube" for the anal preparation, during the shooting the boys add a very low amount of gel directly on the dick (for avoid foam) otherwise we rarely use it again.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Have fun
imgur com / huNM8zO

The website now seams close, but you can find several videos on tubes

This thread is entertaining

Spring 2017
I discovered that several girls from Cz worked for a website where the topic was a model drinking heavy alcohol to feel bad and to vomit, naturally naked. You can google smt if you really want to be disgusted.

What do I need to google? I have to know more about this important issue!

[Boshanks]

My most logical reason is that if you can get Lidocaine at a drug store without prescription, Is not as bad as you think.
Also as per wikipedia, this substance was discovered in 1946, pharmaceuticals are in that business to make money
and it is in their best interest that the drugs they sell, don't kill their customers.

When used as directed. If you bought some cough syrup and went home and put it in your eye, is it the fault of the pharmaceutical company if that causes injury ? Or better yet, whose fault is it if your boss reassured you that it was safe to do so and insisted you did it when you turned up to work ?

You are the guy telling them their job is too risky and not worth doing.

Am I, where have I said that ? I'm the guy questioning why a director has taken it upon himself to insist on administering medication that numbs the models before shooting.

And Giorgio, I raised the issue of side effects because in your own words, using this Lidocaine cream is a cheaper alternative to buying lube, and that's not its intended purpose. I've seen a fair bit of porn in my time, admittedly nowhere near as much as you, and one thing I don't recall seeing on set when lube was asked for and applied, was somebody reaching for the topical anesthetic cream. In fact I've seen you applying actual lube to toys in warm ups with models, so what is the real reason for its use ?

I'm not going to carry this on, I've made my position clear and said my piece. I have no interest in watching or supporting porn where women are being numbed in order to perform it. I've been saying for months that this was clearly happening and that it was being used and provided by the studio, and that's the case.

[Boshanks]

As a side note, Alexa made no mention of the insistence of its use at the Gonzo studio. Have you not informed them of this amazing cheaper alternative to lube ?

[teammelee15]

So I just read through this and just chuckled. I think it's funny how you are so concerned about a little bit of Lidocaine 2.5%!!!! that GG uses. I would be surprised if he didn't! First off 2.5-5% is nothing. Second it puts the ladies at ease more then numbs it. Basically just helps relax the anus and makes the whole scene better for everyone. I use this stuff https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IB4F54M/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Anesten which is 10.5% Just put a little bit on my finger and put it up the wife's butt and have the most amazing DAP sex twice a week. Been doing that for 2 years. No side affects whatsoever. Talked to the doctor about it and ya their are some side affects that can occur. Just like ANY medicine in the existence of mankind. But are you going to have serious life threatening complications from it no. If their are bad side affects thats
usually when YOU STOP USING IT! Shit Viagra gives me flushing now and then but doesn't mean I am going to stop using it. The benefits overwhelm the negatives imo. Oh and GG if your looking for the best damn anal lube in the world. Try this stuff!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N3SU0GK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1 Way better then Silicon and half the price. We go through 32oz every month. Happy ass *ucking!

[teammelee15]

I'm not going to carry this on, I've made my position clear and said my piece. I have no interest in watching or supporting porn where women are being numbed in order to perform it. I've been saying for months that this was clearly happening and that it was being used and provided by the studio, and that's the case.

You can honestly sit there in your chair and tell me that you dont think that in all the world of porn that girls ARE NOT using Lidocaine while doing anal sex? Buddy you live under a rock if you believe that every director, studio, and escorts in the whole *ucking world are not using it. Shit I bet you anything most ladies would do it themselves without a GG guy telling them to because they dont want to be miserable taking 1-2 dicks up the ass. I mean come on seriously As far as you being so concerned about GG doing such an unspeakable act like putting a measly 2.5% up their butt while your waking it off to Belle Clair taking 4 dicks up the ass (naturally) to the point where you cannot support such an inhuman act and watch/buy/support this website then GTFO you Hypocrite troll.

[Boshanks]

Another dipshit who wants to claim a doctor said it's okay to use external anesthetic internally to perform anal sex

As far as you being so concerned about GG doing such an unspeakable act like putting a measly 2.5% up their butt while your waking it off to Belle Clair taking 4 dicks up the ass (naturally) to the point where you cannot support such an inhuman act and watch/buy/support this website then GTFO you Hypocrite troll.

I haven't seen Belle Clair take 4 dicks in the ass, nor would I want to. The idea of four men mounting each other and attempting to position themselves to rub each others cocks at the opening of a woman's ass, who I might add can probably just about be seen beneath them, sounds like something more aimed towards gay or bisexual men.

I also made no mention of anything being inhuman, just stupid and irresponsible

I'm not sure why you bumped this to tell me to GTFO, what part of me stating I have no interest in supporting this didn't you understand? I'd already got the fuck out you retard.

[teammelee15]

Another dipshit who wants to claim a doctor said it's okay to use external anesthetic internally to perform anal sex

As far as you being so concerned about GG doing such an unspeakable act like putting a measly 2.5% up their butt while your waking it off to Belle Clair taking 4 dicks up the ass (naturally) to the point where you cannot support such an inhuman act and watch/buy/support this website then GTFO you Hypocrite troll.

I haven't seen Belle Clair take 4 dicks in the ass, nor would I want to. The idea of four men mounting each other and attempting to position themselves to s at the opening of a woman's ass, who I might add can probably just about be seen beneath them, sounds like something more aimed towards gay or bisexual men.

I also made no mention of anything being inhuman, just stupid and irresponsible

I'm not sure why you bumped this to tell me to GTFO, what part of me stating I have no interest in supporting this didn't you understand? I'd already got the fuck out you retard.

I never said my doctor said it was ok. Just that the side effects are not what you/the all mighty google says it is/your going to DIE!

Im sooooooo sure you haven't seen Belle Clair's QAP scene. right Yet you are on a "95% "rub each others cock" website...and you call me a retard

You have no interest in supporting LP. Yet your still here trolling the forums? Right

Your just another fat *uck trolling the forums spitting your jealousy of something you will never in a million years get to experience.

[Boshanks]

I've never once wasted tickets on a QAP or TAP scene, I think they're nonsense and watching it does absolutely nothing for me. I've been here since the beginning, long before GG joined, long before the site became an extreme joke that focuses on acts over model selection. The majority of my tickets get spent on DP content and almost primarily at the Gonzo studio since Giorgio developed such an aversion to pussy.

I don't know what more you want me say that I haven't already. Id finished speaking and dragging my point out, I stated that in my last post a week ago and this thread was dead and buried. You decided to bump it to tell me to GTFO.

Your just another fat *uck trolling the forums spitting your jealousy of something you will never in a million years get to experience.

Reading this comment tells me two things: 1. Either you or your wife are overweight. It was your go to insult indicating it's something that's close to home. 2. That you think telling everybody about would you do in your personal life on a porn forum gives you credence or some sort of self worth. Nobody cares about what you and your overweight wife get up to. If you enjoy rubbing dicks with another man and using lidocaine, that's cool, good luck with that. There's no brownie points to be earned here mentioning it in most of your posts.

[teammelee15]

I've never once wasted tickets on a QAP or TAP scene, I think they're nonsense and watching it does absolutely nothing for me. I've been here since the beginning, long before GG joined, long before the site became an extreme joke that focuses on acts over model selection. The majority of my tickets get spent on DP content and almost primarily at the Gonzo studio since Giorgio developed such an aversion to pussy.

Then why are you on a website that is pretty much all DAP? Go to brazzers and 21stsextury if DP and Model selection is what you want. Imo both are garbage.

1. Either you or your wife are overweight. It was your go to insult indicating it's something that's close to home. 2. That you think telling everybody about would you do in your personal life on a porn forum gives you credence or some sort of self worth. Nobody cares about what you and your overweight wife get up to. If you enjoy rubbing dicks with another man and using lidocaine, that's cool, good luck with that. There's no brownie points to be earned here mentioning it in most of your posts.

Lol Neither of us are overweight. Why would I say that if we were? That would make me a *itch. We are in the lifestyle and are lucky enough to experience a great sex life with other couples, and do some LP stuff. We DAP mostly with a toy but have done it with another man on occasion. Sorry you think "its a gay act" I use to think that to. But it is something me and the wife love to do and dont look at it in a gay way what so ever. Sorry that you do. I was simply stating that your thread about GG being a bad dude for having the ladies use a tiny bit of a common over the over the counter drug on their bum was the worst thing in the world to do to such a gal was *ucking stupid. No brownie points needed buddy I am living the life and enjoying every minute of it.

[Boshanks]

Then why are you on a website that is pretty much all DAP? Go to brazzers and 21stsextury if DP and Model selection is what you want. Imo both are garbage.

We DAP mostly with a toy but have done it with another man on occasion. Sorry you think "its a gay act" I use to think that to.

Like you said, both of those sites are trash. Im still here because I've been a member for years and Gonzo still occasionally puts out content with models that peak my interest. Nobody does hardcore fucking quite like LP, but unlike most here, hardcore for me doesn't mean how many dicks can we fit in a hole.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy DAP content from time to time, especially when it involves some of my favourite models like Linda, Timea and Arwen. It's not something I'd have any interest doing in my personal life, but I don't think DAP is necessarily a gay act. For sure there's something homo erotic about it, gay guys who've posted on the forum in the past talking about why they're here supports that view. When I mention rubbing dicks I'm specifically talking about the women who can barely perform it, when it's just dudes rubbing their cock heads together at the opening of her ass. QAP on the other hand is another story altogether, I can't understand what's appealing about that for a straight viewer whatsoever.

Again with regards to the thread topic though, I expressed my views and they differ from yours, that's cool. I don't agree with the use of Lidocaine nor do I think it's use should be insisted upon, but like I said, this topic along with my pov was dead before you decided to resurface it.

[Sir Noel]

Boshanks,
I am afraid you jumped the shark when you said you were concerned that when performing ass to mouth the girls may end up taking lidocaine orally!

I mean you do realise that lidocaine is a VERY common ingredient for toothache and minor dental work? Directly using lidocaine orally is super common.

[Boshanks]

I absolutely do realise that, it's part of the same family of local anesthetics as benzocaine, something I've personally used in a otc gel called Oragel many times.

As I've already mentioned, Noel, there is a distinct difference in the make up of a product depending on it's instructed use. When you talk about anesthetics for toothache, those items have been specifically tested and created for oral application, It's not just about the core ingredient. It certainly wouldn't be wise to walk in to a pharmacy and buy any old cream which includes said ingredient and apply it within your mouth.

When you're talking about Lidocaine for minor dentistry, that's its pure form and it's being administered by a professional who knows exactly what to do if for example methemoglobinemia, however slim or rare, was to occur. Once again, in this instance it's being used for the exact purpose of its development by an expert.

I stand by my argument on this. Numbing the pain receptors in delicate tissue that's prone to tears, whilst simultaneously performing acts that are massively increasing the risk of such an injury, is stupid behaviour and shouldn't be insisted upon or encouraged by the studio.

And just to clarify my point here, I'm not talking about the risks of anal sex or particular acts and positions. Im talking about interfering with the bodies natural ability to warn you if potential damage is occurring while you're performing them.

Honestly Noel I've said all I want to say on the topic, I have no interest or intention of pursuing this or dragging it out any longer. Feel free to reply to my comment if you disagree or object with anything I've said. You can pm me as well if you want, I'm happy to discuss this further in private if you feel I'm wrong or ill informed on any point.

[Sir Noel]

No need but reading between the lines I think this is the truth:
There are two forms of pain we could be talking of. One is the being stretched too far/having your internal organs pummeled etc that I think you are concerned over. Other is the tiny little cuts you see around the anus sometimes.
Now I know from private life that those little cuts can mean sex becomes sore and it usually signals the end of anal for the day. If you look at the videos now they are in very high defs you can often see this little cuts, the kind of thing which would cause a lot of discomfort or a scene switching to vag otherwise.
My guess is that the low % lidocaine works not because it is some miracle lube but because it just stops the stinging pain from those little cuts (which heal quickly afterwards ime)
I don't believe they are numbing the anus, rectum and colon in a way which could lead to the damage you fear. If ot dis that would be a real worry.

[teammelee15]

Even with using 10% Lidocaine on my wife she can still feel pain/discomfort. You make it sound like it 100% numbs the anus to the point that you can shove 2 baseball bats in the ass and she wont feel you ripping her a new one. Like I said before it just puts her at ease and relaxes the muscles more then Numbs it. I know this because I first tried it on myself before ever trying it on my wife. You can still feel id say 60% of whats going on back there. Plus these gals that GG shoots either have stretched their butt to the point of being able to take two dicks over time or they warm up with big anal plugs before the shot. It's not like he just pulls some chick off the street thats never had anal before says put this Lidocaine up your bum wait 15 min and then we are going to shove 2 big dicks up your ass ok? I mean seriously

[teammelee15]

Oh Jeez why revive this pointless topic. It's probably a tube of Lidocaine/lube would be my guess. As much discomfort as Nicole Black has doing DAP hopefully GG ups the % of it from 5% to 10% because I am tired of ALL Nicole's scenes were the guys dont F#ck her the way she needs to be at this point. She has done what 10 scenes? Still cant handle DAP well at all.

[teammelee15]

Could be a Tide Pen on the go stain remover as well. Haha

[risobod]

Good evening. Tell me a good drug for new erection. I want to emphasize that I need a drug that will not work without any sexual arousal. That is, for it to act, it is necessary to start sexual preludes in the same way as if I had not taken any drug to solve the problem of erectile dysfunction. What can you advise me? Thank you in advance for your help.

[Bruno111]

This post looks like a crusade and its the more incredible bullshit you can find on internet.

January 2017
We got a nice model but she was struggling with anal, too much for my taste. So we decided to bring her to a proctologist for a check up, I supposed she had some internal issue. Our model manager leave the room because the doctor wants to look at her. After the visit he suggested her 2 localised injection of mesocain one inside and one around the asshole, the model agrees and she gets directly the injection and also a prescription for a 6% lidacain for surgical use.
4 days after she was on the stage and she was struggling as before.
That was not our proctologist, we google it and we simply chose him because his location had a good parking. Doctor decision.

2001
My girlfriend was diagnosed @Anal fissures@. Therapy: insertion with Dilatan (google for it) for 3 weeks, every day for at least 30 minute using 2.5 lidocaine cream. The lidocain cream had a very specific meaning in this therapy for what I remember. Doctor decision.

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Stud spray (12 fucking percent lidocain, google for it), its used for delay the orgasm applied directly on the dick or in the gay community for "relax the asshole". 12 fucking % directly on the dick, basically everyone using this spay suppose to be dead already.

In the case of the cream I use, according to paperwork attached to the item is possible to use a full @cream tube@ for fill out completely the urethra in the case of catheter insertion (this is one of the application). We consume like 2 tubes/month with an average of 15 scenes. Each tube is about 15g of cream, means in average 2 grams of cream for each scene. There is not margin for overdose.

If you are concerned about the health of models, you should start with something else.

May 2015
The model "EE" arrive at the makeup at 8:30 in the morning, she did not sleep all the night because she was parting with cocaine. She was not even able to properly clean her ass and she even shitted in the makeup room. Sent at home.

March 2017
A hungarian model contact me from Budapest asking for job, but she is scary about anal sex. I told her Ive my system and she asked me if I use the same "method" as "Mr. KK", I answer Im not going to stick 1/2 gram of cocaine in her ass, this was her answer: "Haha, ok"

Spring 2015
Working like actor on a kind of very good production with also an american girl. The girl refuse to perform in anal unless someone wont provide her cocaine, she even complain the production is "not professional" because there is no cocaine available on the table.

Summer 2017
When I tried to speak with a model for understand the reason of her very strange behavior and attitude she claims to have been taking cristal math for the last 6 months almost every day and she doesnt feel in confort to be sober.

Spring 2017
I discovered that several girls from Cz worked for a website where the topic was a model drinking heavy alcohol to feel bad and to vomit, naturally naked. You can google smt if you really want to be disgusted.

To accuse me that I do not care of the people I work with, is really a nonsense since I work almost every time with the same people and most of the time if I shoot a model only one time if because of my decision (even if clearly there are model that do not like to work with me). Also, just for make it more clear, no one is giving to the models "lidocaine", but a cream that contact a low percentage that anyone can buy in farmacy without prescription.

Also your information about side effects are wrong very wrong, here we go with something realistic:

More common:
Flushing or redness of the skin
itching skin
small red or purple spots on the skin
unusually warm skin

Less common:
Bruising, bleeding, burning, swelling, or pain at the application site

All the more "heavy" side effect are noted as "Frequency not reported", means its rare, very rare.
More informations - drugs com / sfx/ lidocaine-side-effects.html

The side effect you reported are not common at all.

Can you say what for lube Alita Angel used for dap and why I can order it.