So which is the real reason of LP/AV is dying?

[xxxVIPERxxx]

It's funny you should mention Kristy Black, since she's probably the most notorious example of the new porn landscape - one of the most popular performers at LP, who mostly abandoned the site in order to focus predominantly on OF, and the occasional vanilla shoot.

Well, I didn't know that so cheers for the info.

I'm not sure that invalidates my point, because Kristy has performed extreme anal for a number of years now.

Yes, and now she doesn't have to unless she wants to and someone is willing to pay her fee, which hasn't been the case at LP for a while now which is why we don't see her anymore.

Yes, it is a combination of not being able to agree on a fee, scheduling issues that mutually benefit both parties, and perhaps Kristy Black is just not that interested anymore in hardcore porn on here. Some girls prefer doing glamour shoots, and/or softcore porn...if that is the case, it is their choice.

[TheVulture]

Yes, and now she doesn't have to unless she wants to and someone is willing to pay her fee, which hasn't been the case at LP for a while now which is why we don't see her anymore.

You're missing the point though, which is that no-one performs extreme anal porn forever. You're assuming she no longer does it because no-one will pay her enough but we don't know that. Perhaps she is on a natural wind down and OF is thus a nice gentle way for her to slowly retire from porn.

Kristy's situation is interesting and useful as an analysis point but we need to know the thoughts of younger girls than her (potentially) at the beginning of their porn careers to fully understand which way the wind is blowing here.

[jjwhite1985]

That's isn't the point. The point is she no longer does it because she makes boat loads of cash on OF and doesn't need to settle for a lower fee. This phenomenon has had a huge impact across the entire industry - the US porn scene, the Euro scene, all of it. And not just the hardcore sites like LP. I mean, you don't even need to take it from me, Giorgio's comment near the beginning of the thread said it all:

We don’t have new models, the reason is that on OF a big slice of dudes pay 20$ for a 15 minutes video of a girls alone without anal and 50-100$/minute for a custom video. This bring every model with a bit of brain to make several thousand dollars/month without to struggle. Good models to make dozen of thousand/month.
You don’t understand the scale of this.

On the other side YOU DO NOT pay 40$ for a dap with pee or 30 for a dp, so a producer here cant offer 6000$ to a model for a dap pee and 4000 for a dp, but just a normal payout that is not interesting if you already have a good regular income

Your mistake is thinking that porn is more than a job.

[fister2]

Giorgio is exactly on the point with this issue. As many times already mentioned here, why would any girl perform DAP or even TAP as it's difficult and painful, or degrading acts as piss drinking and/or vomiting when they can have better money with less effort?

[TheVulture]

Your mistake is thinking that porn is more than a job.

Have you ever seen a scene with Anna de Ville/Kristy Black/Silvia Soprano/Rebecca Sharon etc. etc.?

Very obviously it is more than a job for a lot of girls.

None of them would do it without being paid well but that's mainly because of the stigma that comes with the exposure. I guarantee you that many girls would do it for free if they categorically knew it wasn't being recorded and no-one would ever know.

Your mistake is equating the pay aspect of porn with the uniform concept of labour exchange.

[TheVulture]

Giorgio is exactly on the point with this issue. As many times already mentioned here, why would any girl perform DAP or even TAP as it's difficult and painful, or degrading acts as piss drinking and/or vomiting when they can have better money with less effort?

Well, we're getting somewhere now because you're admitting that the sex acts you want to see are degrading.

Are you sure that DAP and TAP are uniformly painful or is it that part of your fantasy? Obviously, they can be and a lot of girls wouldn't ever dare try them. But they can also be amazing and painless when done correctly, I'm pretty confident.

It's like saying "No-one would go on the world's highest and fastest rollercoaster because it's too scary".

[jjwhite1985]

Your mistake is thinking that porn is more than a job.

Have you ever seen a scene with Anna de Ville/Kristy Black/Silvia Soprano/Rebecca Sharon etc. etc.?

Very obviously it is more than a job for a lot of girls.

None of them would do it without being paid well but that's mainly because of the stigma that comes with the exposure. I guarantee you that many girls would do it for free if they categorically knew it wasn't being recorded and no-one would ever know.

Your mistake is equating the pay aspect of porn with the uniform concept of labour exchange.

I have no idea why you would think any of this. The idea that pornstars are just living out their gangbang fantasies or whatever, is ironically a very male fantasy in itself, which in fairness a lot of male porn fans fall into the trap of thinking, I suspect because subconsciously it makes the whole thing even hotter for them.

And again, the girls you mention as examples show that you're not really engaging with reality here. Anna de Ville often reiterates to fans, particularly on X, that her work and personal life are two different things, and what she likes in her personal life is actually pretty vanilla. Kristy and Silvia rarely, if ever, shoot mainstream porn nowadays, because they are both predominantly focused on their OF. Rebecca Sharon got married and retired.

I mean, it seems to me that you're keeping this conversation going round in circles because, despite all evidence, you aren't convinced that the change in the dynamic of the industry is behind traditional studios struggling, and are instead trying to make a point about the style of porn that LP produces, which you happen to not be a fan of. People do this all the time on the forum, but the thing is, if the style was one that you were personally a fan of, then you'd likely have no problem seeing that the emergence of direct-engagement sites like OF are what's killed the traditional industry.

[hyapet]

jjwhite1985 pretty much nails it.

They're called actresses for a reason.

They also go from site to site to site for a reason as well. Because they look at it as a career - and the sites they go to reflect where they think they're at in their careers and what they consider the best option to be.

If the biggest paycheck came from a site that mimicked the 1920's silent movie era - you'd better believe Anne De Ville would be giving her best Charlie Chaplin impression as she took whatever meat she contractually agreed to take.

Ever want to know why the girl's are almost never referenced by even their stage names in porno productions? Because, by dressing them up differently and with different hair styles, the audience can be persuaded to forget that they saw the exact same chick just a week ago taking two gigantic black cocks when this week she's pretending that she's a virgin school girl, and oh gosh big brother, whatever are you doing in my room!

For all the actresses that supposedly loved gangbang porn so much - they haven't all conglomerated in an effort to save the industry that has the biggest studs who can give them the best gangbangs. The minute they smelled one dollar more - there came the OF account - and there they were, with yet another new look, trying to hook as many passing fish in the new pond.

I mean ... what's next? The girl's just love drinking piss at home - and can't wait to come to Legalporno to get paid, of all things - to drink a few liters here? What else?

Did they bring their own jug as well?

[TheVulture]

I don't agree with much that jjwhite1985 and hyapet say here. Of course women have sexual fantasies just like men and of course they involve the kind of acts that you see in hardcore porn. But there's little point in taking that further.

The interesting point is that I've been saying what I'm saying now on here for years and up til now have always been piled on with commentary like "Shut up snowflake, this is what porn is now and it's great, go somewhere else, we want our manhandle scenes" etc. etc. Those guys don't seem to be around here so much now and certainly have less licence to crow as essentially they've become obsolete. I can't prove that if porn had followed my advice things would be any different or that I'm any less obsolete (although I do know that my tastes didn't create this predicament) but I do find it bizarre that porn thought it could somehow make things much more physically demanding (in a non-sex way, I'm talking about the girls having to deal with the guys' hands doing angry male-dom things for the best part of an hour at a time) and aesthetically much more degrading without essentially killing the cash cow. Given that its most valued assets are, erm, the girls, was that really ever going to work?

If stable type porn is going to make a comeback I think it's clear that it's going to have to start making porn that its female stars want to make rather than what some sociopathic dudes who get a boner for Andrew Tate want to watch. That, fundamentally, is a good thing, and as it ever should have been. Porn has needed a reset for at least 10 years. Let's hope it gets one.

[TheVulture]

For all the actresses that supposedly loved gangbang porn so much - they haven't all conglomerated in an effort to save the industry that has the biggest studs who can give them the best gangbangs.

This is at best flawed and at worst downright mean-spirited. For about 15 years the industry has reduced the girls' standing to fuck dolls for hire to the extent that they likely have nowhere near the personal confidence or industry connections to make this happen even if they wanted to. If porn had allowed the girls to become more dominant in the industry via model agencies, on set input, script writing, set design etc., heck, even unions of some form then not only could they more suitably do such a thing but it probably wouldn't be needed in the first place.

[jjwhite1985]

Just about everyone who's engaged with you on this topic has told you the same thing, even Giorgio has posted about this on the forum. It's like you've been living under a rock for the last 4-5 years, I'm not sure how someone has internet access and isn't aware of the effect the content-creator economy has had on the porn world. But whatever, your opinion is your opinion, peace out

[hyapet]

This is at best flawed and at worst downright mean-spirited. For about 15 years the industry has reduced the girls' standing to fuck dolls for hire to the extent that they likely have nowhere near the personal confidence or industry connections to make this happen even if they wanted to. If porn had allowed the girls to become more dominant in the industry via model agencies, on set input, script writing, set design etc., heck, even unions of some form then not only could they more suitably do such a thing but it probably wouldn't be needed in the first place.

All of your arguments, in order to survive at any given moment, need to ignore at least 50% of what's actually going on. This quote is the perfect example.

By giving the girl's "more agency" - by giving them more roles - and more say in the industry - where do you think that that is going to lead? Well ... obviously ... the girl's who are shooting the porn asking for more money.

And - oh! Wouldn't you look! That's exactly what happened with OF! Like ...

Not that girl's are somehow bad for wanting more cash - nobody is bad for wanting more cash in their specific field of work - but, as with all things, the minute somebody gets the weight and control that otherwise alluded them, they will maximize it so that it translates directly to more money.

You think giving girl's "more roles of power" in the absolute meat-grinder of an industry that is porn would have any effect outside of them trying to grab a larger slice of the pie? If the conditions were reversed, then you could say the exact same thing about men.

And that goes to your other observation that "if only the boys were a little nicer on set" - absolutely ignores the sex acts that have already become "normalized." It's like, hey, see this eighteen inch tree-trunk of a cock that could tickle your lungs if inserted all the way inside of you? Take two of them. In your ass. At the same time.

That's absolutely okay! No worries there! But!

If the girl gets slapped around - then suddenly the big red line's been crossed.

Like - I don't like that shit either. I don't like pissing. I don't like puking. I don't care for all the rough bozo shit.

And one can definitely make the argument that by introducing all of that real degenerate type bullshit - a good chunk of this place not only scalped what could have been a much more lucrative industry with a ton more hot girls willing to jump aboard - but simultaneously dug itself the shallow pit that transformed into it's almost-grave.

Regardless of all that, TheVulture, OF, man! Fucking OF!

Everything you said would have helped this industry OF did. But, more than that, a girl has the earning potential, key word there, potential, of roughly a thousand times what she gets paid to work here. And that's while doing one twentieth the word and enduring one twentieth the pain, if any at all.

You're talking about rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

Some shit was inevitable. Others got exasperated by decisions made in house. But, overall, there are roughly 100,000 more girls shooting porn these days then there were five years ago. And yet - all of the traditional porno houses struggle to attract talent.

Do you honestly think that's because 100,000s of the new actresses said, simultaneously, in unison, "Ah, it's a bit more rough than it needs to be," or, "They could really use some more women in higher positions of power in the industry."

This isn't a telecommunications firm that tries to connect up and coming businesses with overseas talent. This is porn. Fucking porn.

And the Facebook of porn just crash-landed into the industry like two to three years ago. So, guess what - ...

All the myspaces are struggling to keep their doors open.

That's pretty much it.

[tcooo]

Not sure dying is the right word but stagnant or downwards spiral are appropriate at least. Prob started after the spam of garbage vids/uploaders on this site. I stopped my subscription the day they "overhauled" the site and the visibility of video's I wanted went downhill. (just a quick peek every so often to check the site)
Even now I got 'pee' sex and such turned off, but the video's are all showing pee vids on the mainpage. And video's I liked/dislikes are still not showing up, only the "loved" ones.

OF and such will play a part in it all too but sites like Evil Angel and many others show they can do perfectly fine. OF isn't the same obviously.

[Himself]

I come here less because the content that interests me has become scarce.

Wanna see ass being pounded like theres no tomorrow, preferably 1x1 with an attractive girl thats into it and an endowed male.
https://el.phncdn.com/pics/gifs/046/901 ... 1011a.webm

Instead I get men rubbing dicks on each other while subduing females because somehow its her fault that none of them can assfuck properly.

The other day there was an interesting scene
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/2142102
Would have been better had the rasta guy given rein to balls deep non-stop in that ass, but no, they throw in another male to steal screentime and rob the girl focus from provinding the most memorable anal scene in a good while. Thats just plain wrong.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

Once they get the scene removal thing completely sorted out, and all previous scenes pass review and get reinstated...LPAV will be alright and will continue to grow.

[bake0213]

The site isn't dying at all. They are simply replacing hard anal/DAP/prolapse/piss customers with those willing to buy lower quality tube content.

[TYRESE]

Gay porn in killing the site.

[dap-addict]

Once they get the scene removal thing completely sorted out, and all previous scenes pass review and get reinstated...LPAV will be alright and will continue to grow.

Btw, I checked model names "A" on my old internal DAPlist not updated for many many years and so far all GIO/Gonzo/SOS scenes bought those many years ago were still in my pornbox - or have meanwhile been restored again.
That fact made me more optimistic again!
However, that removal thing must have cost them many customers!

[beklof]

An interesting topic, but difficult to analyze.
Of course, I can only speak for myself, but really, I regularly check out what's on offer here (maybe for 30 studios most of the time) and what I've noticed is that I find fewer interesting videos these days than before. Another attention, more and more often your favorite video can be found in Latino studios, as well as the hottest girls.

In my opinion, extreme stuff has taken on far too big a role in many studios nowadays and the phenomenon even seems to be getting stronger. The phenomenon is excellently seen in the pissing genre. Everything starts to be just gangbang pissing, huge bowls and all kinds of exaggeration. Things have gotten completely out of hand and it's starting to be just a circus where it's impossible to see what is sexually arousing. Although porn itself can be called extreme, many studios have taken it so extreme nowadays that it mostly makes you feel sick.

I've actually become more critical and started hoping for a return closer to basic porn(if you can call it that way). Anal(1 on 1, dp, dap) without hard grips, retching, slapping, gangbang pissing, 10 guys, etc. That the video ends with cum in mouth and swallow, cum in ass, cum on face, and not with ridiculous peeing here and there on a girl. If there is pissing involved why can't it be simply 1 on 1 piss in the mouth or up to 2 on 1 and without any idiotic goblets or bowls? Then there would be something natural about it, and not of five, six, seven guy's gangbang pissing, that makes it just a ridiculous circus.

So give us more real alternatives! For those of us who don't want to watch the porn circus and endless exaggeration in everything.

Here someone wrote like my own thoughts on OF! I know about its appeal to girls, and that there are many who make good money, but like the guy I mentioned, I just don't realize its popularity in terms of viewers. POV shooting that looks endlessly boring and bland and kills all interest. When Savannah Bond started doing OF, my interest in her stopped all at once. Those videos are total crap! Same thing with Aletta Ocean! Not interested anymore.

In addition, all the girls who have previously worked in studios, their OF videos are much softer than those made with studos. I'm wondering if OF's popularity will last in the long run? Viewers can also get bored with POV crap and OF's soft and boring porn and start longing for real studio porn.