bake0213 wrote:3. Issues in Russia
There's no longer a sustainable model base here as a result. This is why you saw the same tired models over and over. These were the ones that the core customer here was willing to buy and so we got them over and over until they ran their course as well.
Giorgio Grandi wrote:There are no problems financially here
Regular models sells good and make good money for herself and for the producer.
We don’t have new models, the reason is that on OF a big slice of dudes pay 20$ for a 15 minutes video of a girls alone without anal and 50-100$/minute for a custom video. This bring every model with a bit of brain to make several thousand dollars/month without to struggle. Good models to make dozen of thousand/month.
You don’t understand the scale of this.
On the other side YOU DO NOT pay 40$ for a dap with pee or 30 for a dp, so a producer here cant offer 6000$ to a model for a dap pee and 4000 for a dp, but just a normal payout that is not interesting if you already have a good regular income
This is how it is.
Giorgio Grandi wrote:On the other side YOU DO NOT pay 40$ for a dap with pee, so a producer here cant offer 6000$ to a model for a dap pee, but just a normal payout that is not interesting if you already have a good regular income
This is how it is.
Chimpy.677 wrote:There is nothing more boring than porn from sites like OF, literally if I only had to watch porn from there I would never watch porn again, I don't understand people who pay for that.
Giorgio Grandi wrote:You don’t understand the scale of this.
dap-addict wrote:But not all OF girls have a regular income!
Also for some very attractive OF girls (I dont even know because I dont pay for OF and never will do) I would pay 40$ for DAPbreakin'. Maybe I should make a poll about it?
hyapet wrote:Have you ever heard of Tessa Fowler?
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You can branch into girl's who are doing similar content to come over and sell their stuff here - like Jewelz Blu or Bae York - but they are using AV/PB and not the other way around.
It's not that it's impossible - but you have to remember - time is money. And how do you start? Where do you search?
I believe it is fully possible - but the OF dream is still "too alive" in most girl's heads - and the contract structure of what exists at AV/PB, from my guesstimates, would be an immediate turn-off for these girls (who aren't interested in one time contracts where they don't receive dividends on the sales themselves).
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OF isn't a slice of the porno pie anymore.
OF is the pie at this point.
kuaheyden513 wrote:Low sales? Costs doesn't worth it? Not enough girls? Too many ugly gay guys in the website main page ?
Why? Why is it over? Don't tell me that is because 0nIyf4ans cuz' that's not true.
xxx wrote:And more on the topic of studios' fate: in my opinion very few of them are able to recognize beauty and who the best models are. "Studios" are also terrible at picking good thumbnails. On top of it they do not understand that releasing "filler" scenes slowly kills them as it kills the interest of their viewers and dilutes the visibility of their few good scenes. And when things get worse as a result of bad choices they try to go into harder content and that makes it even harder to get good models, and they spiral down.
Studio AGO simply do what they do, it's their style, like it or not. Lot worse thing is when someone many times and especially multiple times with the same girl, put title "Cum in Mouth, Swallow" and actually it corresponds to the truth, same as the color of "box" (in Pornbox Forum) in top left corner, is black. And color of every emoji here on forum is green.RedBaron wrote:Now he does not and is producing the same boring stuff (creampies, which are not swallowed) again and again.
xxx wrote:kuaheyden513 wrote:Low sales? Costs doesn't worth it? Not enough girls? Too many ugly gay guys in the website main page ?
Why? Why is it over? Don't tell me that is because 0nIyf4ans cuz' that's not true.
One day we may close the forum entirely and those uninformed doomsday threads will be part of the reason why.
In reality Pornbox has *always* been growing. Studios come and go, for various reasons unrelated to the platform.
With that said we have more work to do on the UI. We have released a big update yesterday that should help a lot users who are into trans, gay, lesbo/girls and not the rest. And we have more major updates coming.
xxx wrote:And more on the topic of studios' fate: in my opinion very few of them are able to recognize beauty and who the best models are. "Studios" are also terrible at picking good thumbnails.
xxx wrote:One day we may close the forum entirely and those uninformed doomsday threads will be part of the reason why.
hyapet wrote:xxx wrote:One day we may close the forum entirely and those uninformed doomsday threads will be part of the reason why.
That would be an unwise move.
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But! But! The stable of incredible directors and performers the overall business has had in the past (and present still) has built a loyal following of people who care passionately about your product. While that might seem like, yeah, who cares, it ultimately can provide a good bell-weather as to how your product is doing overall.
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Maybe the desire is to just be "another porno site." But, once you cross that line ...
You can't really come back.
Giorgio Grandi wrote:There are no problems financially here
Regular models sells good and make good money for herself and for the producer.
We don’t have new models, the reason is that on OF a big slice of dudes pay 20$ for a 15 minutes video of a girls alone without anal and 50-100$/minute for a custom video. This bring every model with a bit of brain to make several thousand dollars/month without to struggle. Good models to make dozen of thousand/month.
You don’t understand the scale of this.
On the other side YOU DO NOT pay 40$ for a dap with pee or 30 for a dp, so a producer here cant offer 6000$ to a model for a dap pee and 4000 for a dp, but just a normal payout that is not interesting if you already have a good regular income
This is how it is.
xxx wrote:One day we may close the forum entirely and those uninformed doomsday threads will be part of the reason why.
TYRESE wrote:Gay porn on the page causes people to not check out the page much anymore.
Gape_Connoisseur wrote:All things change. Inevitably there are ups and downs. It's about survival of the most adaptable and to make the most of opportunities.
xxx wrote:kuaheyden513 wrote:Low sales? Costs doesn't worth it? Not enough girls? Too many ugly gay guys in the website main page ?
Why? Why is it over? Don't tell me that is because 0nIyf4ans cuz' that's not true.
One day we may close the forum entirely and those uninformed doomsday threads will be part of the reason why.
In reality Pornbox has *always* been growing. Studios come and go, for various reasons unrelated to the platform.
With that said we have more work to do on the UI. We have released a big update yesterday that should help a lot users who are into trans, gay, lesbo/girls and not the rest. And we have more major updates coming.
jerrybb wrote:Giorgio Grandi wrote:There are no problems financially here
Regular models sells good and make good money for herself and for the producer.
We don’t have new models, the reason is that on OF a big slice of dudes pay 20$ for a 15 minutes video of a girls alone without anal and 50-100$/minute for a custom video. This bring every model with a bit of brain to make several thousand dollars/month without to struggle. Good models to make dozen of thousand/month.
You don’t understand the scale of this.
On the other side YOU DO NOT pay 40$ for a dap with pee or 30 for a dp, so a producer here cant offer 6000$ to a model for a dap pee and 4000 for a dp, but just a normal payout that is not interesting if you already have a good regular income
This is how it is.
Thanks for explanation Giorgio.
In average
With a hot girl that does anal and DP maybe I can make good money on short term, but with the amount of money she will start soon to get as Content Creator, she wont be available to perform anymore pretty soon.
A less hot girl will continue to perform for other longer time and more willing to experiment with DAP and Pee. A model performing DAP and Pee doesnt sell because she looks hot only, she sells because the niches she explores are highly selling compering to anal and DP.
obelix.courageux wrote:I have said in the past that I would like to see LP/AV try different genres. When I have suggested in the past that I think LP / AV should add a studio that specializes in lesbian kink, I was told they were not interested in doing lezdom. They seem to think lesbian kink can only be lezdom. I really wish they would stop thinking that everything has to be about domination.
Chimpy.677 wrote:I've already said the reasons a million times, these are the 3 main reasons:
1) The site has become a site where the only thing that matters is piss, vomit and prolapses. Women and sex don't matter, we can see this all the time, where if a new scene comes out and it doesn't have piss, vomit and prolapses people complain about it.
2) The strange taste that the users of the site have: they always prefer mature and not so pretty women to young and beautiful girls. It's like they have a broken sense of good taste.
3) They ask for a million times for scenes of the same model doing the same thing over and over and over again. It's an incredible thing, it seems that they don't get tired of seeing the same thing constantly.
abaco73 wrote:So, you think the site is dying because it does what users want?
Strange point...
By the way, I share your tastes (don't like piss, nor vomit, I prefer young girls and I never buy more than a couple of scenes with the same actress.
Still, a site will die if they don't follow the wishes of average user, not if it does.
Your points (even if I share them) are nonsense.
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