Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

[dap-addict]

NRX and EKS are closed or at least they dont produce porn anymore.
Gonzo already stopped shooting new scenes end of Oct 2023.
And now I see that GIO is releasing a given girl usually not in the 14-day-intervall but extending that interval to 21 days.

Today was a pretty good day, but more and more days now we have only 1 core AVLP studio release and maybe 1-2 secondary AVLP studio releases.


p.ex. Angie's 2nd DAP released as late as 21days after DAPbreakin:
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/1158987 (GIO2733)

How to counteract?
I feel AVLP core actors might found their own studios of re-build them and really take off, like Luca Ferrero Anal Experience studio for instance. Many other actors have such smaller side studios. John Price I heard will be soon re-sume shootings and produce more porn again.
But problem is as well as Luca as John that they shoot in high-price surroundings be it Prague or Bologna. And obviously costs have to be cut or TKT prices rises further, which users will not accept I am afraid.
In this situation only option I see are small Latina studios to boost their productions, like Mike Zander for instance. Or maybe small Russian studios IF they can find another town to shoot their porn, a place less checked by authorities, maybe in Siberia for instance.

Anyway, 1-3 new studios seem needed, but studios able to produce at a fair local price which is much lower than the Prague or Bologna price. Not only talking about sex act fees, but also studs, camera, studio rooms etc.

[dap-addict]

Anyway, what do other users reckon?
Is the now lower 10 or so AVLP studio output sufficient for their consumers needs?

A Gringo shooting DAP in Brazil because its cheaper than in Prague:
Paying a higher DAP rate than Hardbrazil ofc, but much less than in Prg. https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/1240042 (OB280)


A side question is also how much AVLP production knowledge could be transferred to Latin America for instance to found a 3rd Prague bred studio besides Yummy and Mambo Perv? Or whether it wouldn't be better to instigate local pornographers to shoot also or more in the Prague or at least Europorn style?
Make Hardcore Brazil really shave the girls and shoot less pussy sex warm-ups and generally 2-3 times longer scenes for instance

I also mention this because Gringos shooting in Brazil or Colombia are not always well received and locals could get the girls and studs for cheaper - but still fair - fees.
Talking about a factor of 4-5 instead of 2-3 cheaper Prague going rate.

[pfetish206]

Good we need a slowdown. Most studios produce the same scenes anyway. Its not the end of the world. New studios are not needed so they can do what, make the same video. Enjoy the decline. I rather two studios make quality then 100 make utter shit. We have two many studios too be honestly. This slowdown only disadvantage is more higher ticket prices.

[jjwhite1985]

Wrote this a while back on Jolee Love's thread, I think it applies here to an extent. There'll alway be porn studios but their output is only gonna go down, not up imo. I have no insider knowledge so I'm just guessing, but it's just the direction adult content has been going in.

Ultimately I think the market share of mainstream porn studios is only going to keep going down. Hugely popular girls like Jolee, Kristy Black plus others in Europe and Stateside can make more money on their own channels, plus they haven't got to worry about dealing with studios, directors, other talent, contracts etc. I don't think it'll ever disappear completely as there'll always be a demand for professional porn, but I think the amount of time the top girls spend in studios shooting for mainstream companies will keep getting smaller.

[misangrenegra2]

That a studio stop their production is not good but currently there are around 6 top studios producing regularly.

The point is.. how many studios do you need shooting regularly? Here there are a group of costumers and bring 3-4 new studios will not increase by magic art the number of them, i prefer 5-6 to choice than 20 studios and don't have the possibility to support everything.

The variety of studios is good, each one have a unique style than each one prefer over others but currently the 95% of the releases are from little studios, particular studios or random studios trying to sell old content.

Where i see that there are a little variety is in some particular studios of some pornstars focused in anal masturbation, the variety is in the use of a lot of dildos, outfits, and colorful scenarios, some of them are really good with extraordinary anal skills but are too much expensive, more than a gangbang scene by far.

At then end there are these 5-6 studios shooting mainly anal gangbangs, what i guess the majority is what is looking for, there are some good 2 on 1 or 1on1 but there are other studios that the quality of sex and performance is not the same and if you want some variety looking for other genres as anal masturbation, is too much expensive.

[deerenbung]

I'm always intrigued by forum users who are worried they will run out of porn if there aren't multiple scenes they want to watch released every day. How much money are you spending on porn to feel limited by that? How much time are you spending watching it?

All in good jest I'm very glad there are people out there propping up the studio porn industry but that level of porn consumption is pretty alien to me.

I agree with misangrenegra, there are still several top studios producing good porn, and while more would be nice I don't think we're at danger level yet.

[jjwhite1985]

Funny that you started this thread today and now Gio releases some homemade crap for "Giorgio's Labs". Pretty unusual and can't see a reason for it other than lack of actual new content. For what it's worth, I'm not someone who needs new content everyday, sometimes I'll go weeks without buying a scene depending on what scenes/girls are released, but I do check out the new scenes most days and it's interesting that the output doesn't seem what it used to be.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Funny that you started this thread today and now Gio releases some homemade crap for "Giorgio's Labs". Pretty unusual and can't see a reason for it other than lack of actual new content. For what it's worth, I'm not someone who needs new content everyday, sometimes I'll go weeks without buying a scene depending on what scenes/girls are released, but I do check out the new scenes most days and it's interesting that the output doesn't seem what it used to be.

GGLAB is a studio that was born to release content from other directors, it was initially meant for this reason
When the platform opened to everyone, most of director skipped GGLAB and went directly to the platform (NRX, ERIKA, KATOTTI for example).

There are tons of content in "small studios" that are actually pretty decent. I will be offering regularly on GGLAB new content from other director/studios (first release) and I will re-release also content from other director/studios I am pretty sure just a small part of users had the opportunity to evaluate for purchase

P.S. The output deosnt seem what is used to be because models do not care to perform for other studios other than for themself. Market is shifting (again), who want tu survive needs to adapt.

[dap-addict]

P.S. The output deosnt seem what is used to be because models do not care to perform for other studios other than for themself. Market is shifting (again), who want tu survive needs to adapt.

That's very unfortunate, but that OFy etc is trying to kill porn we know for a long time, just look at Kristy Black or the very recent Jolly Love move. But at the same time most OFy porn is too soft for AVLP fans and only studios have the resources to shoot gangbangs.

So what you mean by adapt?
I'd say to adapt would mean find new talent pools, and ideally cheaper ones.

[Giorgio Grandi]

P.S. The output deosnt seem what is used to be because models do not care to perform for other studios other than for themself. Market is shifting (again), who want tu survive needs to adapt.

That's very unfortunate, but that OFy etc is trying to kill porn we know for a long time, just look at Kristy Black or the very recent Jolly Love move. But at the same time most OFy porn is too soft for AVLP fans and only studios have the resources to shoot gangbangs.

So what you mean by adapt?
I'd say to adapt would mean find new talent pools, and ideally cheaper ones.

Porn we know is already death.
We will be shifting to something different, as in the way we produce the content as in the way we market them

[pfetish206]

P.S. The output deosnt seem what is used to be because models do not care to perform for other studios other than for themself. Market is shifting (again), who want tu survive needs to adapt.

That's very unfortunate, but that OFy etc is trying to kill porn we know for a long time, just look at Kristy Black or the very recent Jolly Love move. But at the same time most OFy porn is too soft for AVLP fans and only studios have the resources to shoot gangbangs.

So what you mean by adapt?
I'd say to adapt would mean find new talent pools, and ideally cheaper ones.

Porn we know is already death.
We will be shifting to something different, as in the way we produce the content as in the way we market them

Will there be a crowd fund flim option to help support our fav av studios doing slowdowns?

[M_sicas_Candido]

We will be shifting to something different, as in the way we produce the content as in the way we market them

I hope this doesn't mean reducing the quality of traditional studios!

Please do not change the way you film (photography) you are the one who does it best. But you may need to vary some things that have become repetitive for a long time. The following are needed: new scenarios (thank God those white inner walls which saturated the background no longer exist); new series etc. The GIO studio has improved a lot since replacing the male Czech cast by Italian ones - professionalism has increased and therefore the treatment to female performers as well.

Let us remember that OF (in an equitable comparison to GIO) surpasses it in no way, it is far below. The only advantage that the amateur content site may have is the possibility of interacting with the artists (but that doesn't even provide projection).

[dap-addict]

Porn we know is already death.
We will be shifting to something different, as in the way we produce the content as in the way we market them

To be honest I dont understand much what you say.
To what different?
To produce less? Cheaper? Less professional?
To market how, involve the girl more for instance? Pay her less upfront?

[jjwhite1985]

Funny that you started this thread today and now Gio releases some homemade crap for "Giorgio's Labs". Pretty unusual and can't see a reason for it other than lack of actual new content. For what it's worth, I'm not someone who needs new content everyday, sometimes I'll go weeks without buying a scene depending on what scenes/girls are released, but I do check out the new scenes most days and it's interesting that the output doesn't seem what it used to be.

GGLAB is a studio that was born to release content from other directors, it was initially meant for this reason
When the platform opened to everyone, most of director skipped GGLAB and went directly to the platform (NRX, ERIKA, KATOTTI for example).

There are tons of content in "small studios" that are actually pretty decent. I will be offering regularly on GGLAB new content from other director/studios (first release) and I will re-release also content from other director/studios I am pretty sure just a small part of users had the opportunity to evaluate for purchase

P.S. The output deosnt seem what is used to be because models do not care to perform for other studios other than for themself. Market is shifting (again), who want tu survive needs to adapt.

Makes sense. Why deal with studios, directors, other talent, contracts etc. when you can make more money on OF with a small dildo and a vibrator from the comfort of your own home. It amazes me how many dudes will pay for this kind of stuff

[Vancouver]

You are bitching there are not, what, 5 to 10 new scenes PER DAY that all in your desired category?

Very few people can watch 10 hours of porn, PER DAY, 7 days a week, or willingly invest the kind of money to buy that much.

We all appreciate your dedication to porn and DAP, but bitching there is not enough being released is madness. FFS not many people can keep up with your porn consumption pace.

[Vancouver]

Further

Unless you have 8 - 10 hours PER DAY and say, 1000 dollars PER MONTH to invest into buying scenes, there is no way you can complain there is not enough being released here. Good fuckin god.

[Paizal]

It amazes me how many dudes will pay for this kind of stuff

In the end, this desire has always been there. It reflects the cliché of the porn fan. The lonely loser who will do anything to get a response from porn girls. Now he has the opportunity by buying their overpriced clips and hoping for a thank you.

[2017sucks]

Maybe finally more CZ and euro girls, instead of "millions" of Latinas? Maybe more DPs instead of DAPs (sorry DAP, just saying and you know its cheaper... )? Maybe some exclusive girls, from wherever they are? To sign a 1-2 year contract with her agency, with some guaranteed minimum number of scenes? Maybe even some collaborations, co-exclusive girls, 1 Prague + 1 studio in South America or wherever and euro girls also shooting for Luis, Oscar, Natasha, not just Latinas coming to Prague?

[YuriyProneBone]

For a new brand I recommend:

- DRAMAS, Story based movies that last 3 hours where the girl gets anal multiple times because of consequences from bad decisions, poverty, inflation, paying debts, coercion, losing a game, etc., things where the girl has no choice but to do anal, basically something people can relate with real life challenges

- Build a career for a girl, meaning, nice covers, nice costumes, and have the same girl making multiple movies, they don't even need to do crazy stuff, they can do the same balls deep anal over and over again, but their acting skills will naturally build over time and compensate

- Be predictable with prices. Movies launch at $25, after certain period they go to $20, then $15, and finally they go down to $10 and stay there. There are people that want to buy new releases, and there are people that want to wait to get a 3 hours $25 per $10. I would say a 6 month period is a good amount of time to go through this cycles.

-If it is predictable people know they have to wait 6 months to get the price they want and they will wait, but that way you cover fans that want to support new releases and the cheap people that just want to feel they won something.

- Have temporary sales, and flash sales, that way people keep waiting for those and be happy to land a deal when it happens.

- Basically copycat the JAV market, but with Euro babes taking BBC balls deep anal without censorship.

This market is the one that creates the strongest base because it is predictable and they never change the model.

Changing the model is the way you lose people, always, the whole idea of adapting doesn't work.

A brand is a brand. What producers can do is create a new brand with a different name and try something new.

When the same brand changes something costumers go. If expectations change costumers go too. If prices change costumers go of course. This is for all industries.

It is better for McDonald's to start a new franchise called Chipotle than sell Burritos at McDonald's. They can sell Burritos yes, but as long as they don't stop selling burgers. If they want Burritos to be a thing, they need a new brand, a new chain, hence Chipotle.

[dap-addict]

You are bitching there are not, what, 5 to 10 new scenes PER DAY that all in your desired category?

I am not bitching I am just concerned by the fact that we lost 3 studios with lots of output in 4mt. I am also clearly not asking for 5-10 scenes per day in my desired category and you know that exactly! I've always for years asked for a 2 DAP scenes per day, not 5 and not 10! But its not about DAP it's about the general production slowdown since 2024 and the growing intervals between scenes released, i.e the old 14 days rule extended often to 21 days now. Read OP first, please!


@2017sucks: DP is cheaper indeed, but still a Czech DP cost much more than a Brazilian, Colombian or even Russian DAP even and production prices have to come down in the mix if we dont wanna - and most of us cant! - pay 20TKT per scene soon.

[M_sicas_Candido]

Why does the market pay more to Czech or other European performers if the logistical cost is lower?

[2017sucks]

And what if and when Latinas become stars, then asking for more money? And travel costs still there?

[dap-addict]

Why does the market pay more to Czech or other European performers if the logistical cost is lower?

Because payment is based on living costs in given places.
Going rates in Prague are the same for all models working in Prague, only individual rates can go up and down, but based on local going rates. Same is for European models working in Rio or Medellin, btw.

What I am asking to consider is only a mix of production places bashing porn production on a mix of cheaper and more expensive places. And as I called for in OP consider to open 2-3 new studios to replace Gonzo, NRX and EKS also at least partly in cheaper porn production places than Prague.
In a second fine-tuning step producers ofc could also consider paying models working in Prague according to their living costs in the places they live. Latina imports would work usually for less than locally based Czech models, also if import costs are deduced.

Goal however always has to be to pay the girls fair fees for their porn work!

[dap-addict]

And what if and when Latinas become stars, then asking for more money? And travel costs still there?

Stars will always ask for more money, no matter where they work. It's upon individual arrangement between studio and star to find a compromise usually. Some rising but also long-time stars clearly out-play themselves with too high expectation. It's bad for fans, but them to blame. Some girls also have to learn to be realistic. This may take time.

[dap-addict]

edit: This said ofc its not a good ideal for any studio to ask long standing stars to work for 10 or 20 or even 30% less fee than before, the more when question concerns girls living in high price places like Prague or Budapest or Berlin. And the more not if it's girls helping studio a lot with their own ideas and commitment before being asked to work for cheaper.

[M_sicas_Candido]

And what if and when Latinas become stars, then asking for more money? And travel costs still there?

Well, if Prague studios have to pay a girl more just because she's Czech, wouldn't it be better to invest in variety? The professional value of an actress must lie in her experience, acts performed and, therefore, potential of sales.

And do you think it would be fair for, for example, Emily Pink - who became a big Latin star - to continue earning the same payment since she started working in Prague? Or Francys Belle, the Brazilian queen?

[M_sicas_Candido]

Why does the market pay more to Czech or other European performers if the logistical cost is lower?

Because payment is based on living costs in given places.
Going rates in Prague are the same for all models working in Prague, only individual rates can go up and down, but based on local going rates. Same is for European models working in Rio or Medellin, btw.

Ok. Thanks.

[Oscar Batty]

[quote="dap-addict"]

A Gringo shooting DAP in Brazil because its cheaper than in Prague: [/quote

This statement is very misleading. Brazilians always charge Gringos more, especially if you cant speak Portuguese, when I arrived in Brazil, I paid the same or in some instances even more until Luis tipped me about the prices that he paid, as we agreed that both should be paying similar prices to the girls. The most important is the language and negociation skills and your connection with local.

The other important thing is to get a work permit, else the local producer will call the policia federal on you (You will be arrested and thrown out of the country, we all went through this at a certain moment )

[Oscar Batty]

A Gringo shooting DAP in Brazil because its cheaper than in Prague:

This statement is very misleading. Brazilians always charge Gringos more, especially if you cant speak Portuguese, when I arrived in Brazil, I paid the same or in some instances even more until Luis tipped me about the prices that he paid, as we agreed that both should be paying similar prices to the girls. The most important is the language and negociation skills and your connection with local.

The other important thing is to get a work permit, else the local producer will call the policia federal on you (You will be arrested and thrown out of the country, we all went through this at a certain moment )

[YuriyProneBone]

About the permits I found that out because a friend learned the hard way. I do have some productions of my own that I paid for in the past that I shot myself without a crew, and not only the permit is important, also the legal contract where you make them sign they are going to do XYZ on camera is important and that you can profit from it. I actually never sold my content, but if someone wants to sell their they have to keep this in mind.

[dap-addict]

A Gringo shooting DAP in Brazil because its cheaper than in Prague:

This statement is very misleading. Brazilians always charge Gringos more, especially if you cant speak Portuguese, when I arrived in Brazil, I paid the same or in some instances even more until Luis tipped me about the prices that he paid, as we agreed that both should be paying similar prices to the girls. The most important is the language and negociation skills and your connection with local.

Oscar, ofc Gringos pay always more, but it's still cheaper than in EU.
Thats the only thing I wanted to say basically and I already included info that you pay more than locals, if you put the whole of my quote, see here:

A Gringo shooting DAP in Brazil because its cheaper than in Prague:
Paying a higher DAP rate than Hardbrazil ofc, but much less than in Prg. https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/1240042 (OB280)

[dap-addict]

And do you think it would be fair for, for example, Emily Pink - who became a big Latin star - to continue earning the same payment since she started working in Prague? Or Francys Belle, the Brazilian queen?

Well, Emily Pink moved to Prague and is now subject to Prague living costs, thus ofc she should earn the same as locally based Czech girls. Same with Francys Belle who has moved to Spain a long time ago, or also Veronica Leal who lives in Budapest, all 3 expensive places compared to Medellin or São Paulo.

[2017sucks]

And what if and when Latinas become stars, then asking for more money? And travel costs still there?

Well, if Prague studios have to pay a girl more just because she's Czech, wouldn't it be better to invest in variety? The professional value of an actress must lie in her experience, acts performed and, therefore, potential of sales.

And do you think it would be fair for, for example, Emily Pink - who became a big Latin star - to continue earning the same payment since she started working in Prague? Or Francys Belle, the Brazilian queen?

Euro girls also deserves a chance to earn their bread, outside of Only Craps and risky Dubai shit eating. Same as every other person in born and raised in Europe, male and female in any job.

[dap-addict]

Euro girls also deserves a chance to earn their bread, outside of Only Craps and risky Dubai shit eating. Same as every other person in born and raised in Europe, male and female in any job.

This is why in OP I call for an overall balance of porn investment keeping it fair for the girls everywhere, ie. balance high fee porn production destinations like Prague (and also Budapest) with cheaper production places like Medellin or São Paulo - and there balance incoming Gringo directors with local directors because they also pay different fees. Such a mixture of fees and base costs can still save Prague as main hardcore anal porn destination!

[paobroncix01]

Funny that you started this thread today and now Gio releases some homemade crap for "Giorgio's Labs". Pretty unusual and can't see a reason for it other than lack of actual new content. For what it's worth, I'm not someone who needs new content everyday, sometimes I'll go weeks without buying a scene depending on what scenes/girls are released, but I do check out the new scenes most days and it's interesting that the output doesn't seem what it used to be.

GGLAB is a studio that was born to release content from other directors, it was initially meant for this reason
When the platform opened to everyone, most of director skipped GGLAB and went directly to the platform (NRX, ERIKA, KATOTTI for example).

There are tons of content in "small studios" that are actually pretty decent. I will be offering regularly on GGLAB new content from other director/studios (first release) and I will re-release also content from other director/studios I am pretty sure just a small part of users had the opportunity to evaluate for purchase

P.S. The output deosnt seem what is used to be because models do not care to perform for other studios other than for themself. Market is shifting (again), who want tu survive needs to adapt.

As we see more models move toward OF accounts, webcamming or other social media, I think the traditional studios need to adapt to this new reality to survive.
When models are more interested in working as camgirl or OF model than working for the traditional studios, why not offer them a co-production for videos. The video can be released on several different platforms, the models can publish them on their own social media accounts, and the traditional studios can publish them in the traditional ways. As long as the price is everywhere the same, and there are good agreements about how the revenues are being split.
The productions costs can go down this way, the models can publish very professional content on their accounts instead of home made movies, so it is interesting for them as well, and in total a larger crowd is reached. It can be a win-win situation.

[vvvv84335]

So much drama! Everything has to change to adapt to the present day at some point.. It's just a fact of life and no amount of whining and bitching about it on an internet forum will change that. What will change it? Will be different from performer to performer. If they can make more money somewhere else doing stuff they're comfortable with, they'll go there. So you'll have to engage in discussion with the performers if it's so important to you... This thread is a waste of time

[M_sicas_Candido]

Well, Emily Pink moved to Prague and is now subject to Prague living costs, thus ofc she should earn the same as locally based Czech girls. Same with Francys Belle who has moved to Spain a long time ago, or also Veronica Leal who lives in Budapest, all 3 expensive places compared to Medellin or São Paulo.

I just think it's strange for performers to have their salary defined simply by where they live and not by their performance in front of the cameras.

[marcoB]

Well, Emily Pink moved to Prague and is now subject to Prague living costs, thus ofc she should earn the same as locally based Czech girls. Same with Francys Belle who has moved to Spain a long time ago, or also Veronica Leal who lives in Budapest, all 3 expensive places compared to Medellin or São Paulo.

I just think it's strange for performers to have their salary defined simply by where they live and not by their performance in front of the cameras.

That's not just the case for performers. That's the case nearly all jobs. If you work in a poor country you earn much less.

[dap-addict]

P.S. The output deosnt seem what is used to be because models do not care to perform for other studios other than for themself. Market is shifting (again), who want tu survive needs to adapt.

(...)
When models are more interested in working as camgirl or OF model than working for the traditional studios, why not offer them a co-production for videos. The video can be released on several different platforms, the models can publish them on their own social media accounts, and the traditional studios can publish them in the traditional ways. (...)
The productions costs can go down this way, the models can publish very professional content on their accounts instead of home made movies, so it is interesting for them as well, and in total a larger crowd is reached. It can be a win-win situation.

Good idea!
I didnt even think of that, but you are right.
Maybe that is it what Giorgio Grandi was referring to?

[2017sucks]

So much drama! Everything has to change to adapt to the present day at some point.. It's just a fact of life and no amount of whining and bitching about it on an internet forum will change that. What will change it? Will be different from performer to performer. If they can make more money somewhere else doing stuff they're comfortable with, they'll go there. So you'll have to engage in discussion with the performers if it's so important to you... This thread is a waste of time

Anyone can say that for any topic, depends what they prefer and like... "only my thing(s)and girl(s) important".

@ DAP

Or maybe a group of 5-20 euro girls to declare some sort of independence, make organization and studio. I know its hard to do it and not so reasonable to write it in 21st century, in kingdom of individualism. But just imagine a studio owned by 5 famous euro stars, shooting each other and so on. Or sometimes being together, 3, 4 of them in some orgy and 5th girl with camera. Well... For this I hope to be so rare... Need 1 girl gb only...