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Porn language sounds really harsh sometimes but we all know its just insider jokes basically.
All that happens on a porn set is based on mutual agreements of adults and a lot is just fake.
Still, Gemini recently posted pics showing real tears of Olivia Devine (viewtopic.php?f=104&t=8182&p=58020&hilit=Olivia#p58020)...other examples can be found...and it just makes me wonder how much we porn fans really do care about our girls?

What are your feelings when you observe them haveing really hard moments on set?
Tender? Do you worry? Or do you just close your eyes?
Did you ever really wish for a porn girl to take a brake or even leave that biz as it seems too hard for her?


Disclaimer: Please no anti-porner bullshit here! No girls are forced to perform what they do! Its all mutual...but it still can be a really hard job at times.

I care and respect them so much, that 50% of all LP female porn stars I could immediately marry and threat them as a princess for the rest of my live.

Timea, Gina Gerson, Olivia Devine, Linda Sweet, Goldie, Arwen, Sandra Luberc, Valentina Blanco, Nicole : All of you... Just sent me a Personal Message and I will make you an offer LP will never match

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Have you been a regular fan of hers before she became for you what she is now?

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I want to comment to the OP referring to Olivia's tears.

I think most of us (the fans), male performers, directors, studio staff, etc do not have ill will against her or any other actress.
That being said, any profession or hobby comes with "occupational hazards".

For instance, action sequences in movies. Require the actor to perform physical stunts and sometimes, something, goes wrong
and they end up injured. Jackie Chan is know for sharing such cases in youtube but there are many others.

Contact sports come with the inherent risk of injuries that can go as far as causing one to become quadriplegic or even death.
Same thing with motorcycling, a thing I love doing for commuting and for fun. Just google "motorcycle injuries" if you have the stomach.

Even professions that sound "safe" such as engineering, can be pretty harsh sometimes. I work in a power plant, trust me I know.

You have to know all the aspects of what you are doing, why you are doing it and what could go wrong.

In this case, back to Olivia. Getting penetrated down her throat, ass, etc could cause physical rejection, pain, etc. This is why they set limits,
"I'm OK with this and that, I can do this for this amount of time, etc" and when it's too hard or they need a break the director cuts the
action and resumes sometime later. Maybe even adds BTS footage as an option. But the point is, that they are in control.

I think we all like a mix of pleasure with a touch of pain. That has to be a thing, among other things that attract fans and performers alike to this site, am I rite?

Of course people who set their limit above the average are extraordinary and we love them, if that thing that they are doing, is something
that interest us. But that's just my opinion.

magizi87 wrote:This is why they set limits,
"I'm OK with this and that, I can do this for this amount of time, etc" and when it's too hard or they need a break the director cuts the
action and resumes sometime later.

Thanks for this imput, magizi!
Just a detail: Breaks during anal/dap often make the pooper contract again. Thus doenst always help much...

yeah I don't like to see them to the point of quiting a scene. If they're cool with some of the rough stuff, fine, but don't mistreat them. Even during the rough scenes, the performers should be very watchful to make sure they don't push the girls too far.

To me, it's all up to the girl. There are certainly scenes that go too far, and it's uncomfortable to watch, but as long as it's her choice, I would never tell her that she's wrong to do it.

After all, she obviously has her reasons for doing it, and who am I to question her judgment?

If they are happy they give better scenes in my opinion.

I want them to enjoy themselves, that's what sex is about, no matter how soft or hard - mutual pleasure.

Of course, bouncebounce, but we have to be realistic: For a lot of these performers its just a job - one they enjoy more or less of course, also depending on the day.
Sure when the girl really enjoys her job that shows in her scenes. And these scenes sell better among the more demanding consumers with a long porn watching habit.

Besides I think TLA sent a very important imput. In that Olivia Devine scene I refered to we have to remember she had always full control of that scene as she could have stopped it at any point. Of course she may risk less payment if she doenst perform an act she agreed on being booked for, but they all know that health and well-being is the core in this biz. For me truely caring for the girls I watch perform the porn I want does also mean respecting her choices.
Same applies to the Mya Diamond scene discussed here earlier but later erased. (... ) Its a thin line to walk, but some girls still do decide to perform something looking unconfortable at some point or even causing pain.
True care for a porngirl is more than just wishing her to have fun always and an easy job, its accepting her choices - and checking the biz to accept them, too. On set its always a relation of trust - trust that all is fully mutual and everything performed without stop calls is fine. Who claims mistreatment afterwards isnt very credible.

Some initial discussions, but also not a popular thread.
Would be interested how current forum users see the matter more than 4 years later?
My impression is, generally girls are more at ease performing what they agreed to be booked for nowadays. Also just spread word what LP needs from those girls who want to work for them.

I care for everyone about the same as they care about me.

dap-addict wrote:Some initial discussions, but also not a popular thread.
Would be interested how current forum users see the matter more than 4 years later?
My impression is, generally girls are more at ease performing what they agreed to be booked for nowadays. Also just spread word what LP needs from those girls who want to work for them.

I like a mix of things.
I can really enjoy a scene where the girl is clearly enjoying it and having fun, but i also really like girls not enjoying it and just keep going for the money.

Michael_Ko1 wrote:I like a mix of things.
I can really enjoy a scene where the girl is clearly enjoying it and having fun, but i also really like girls not enjoying it and just keep going for the money.

But would you wish for a girl clearly having a hard time to be able to change her job?
Or do you derive your joy from their lack of options to gain the money needed?

This is a rather old thread but the question is still valid so I'll reply...

In answer to the thread title I very much do care, and I won't buy or enjoy scenes where I think the woman is really unhappy to be doing what she is. The best scenes for me are the complete opposite, when a woman looks like she's getting turned on and enjoying sex .

The start of the thread was about 'tears' though and that's actually a more complex subject. People's eyes can water for a range of reasons and it's not a 1 to 1 correlation between this and someone being necessarily unhappy. I am unfortunately aware that there are porn scenes where a woman is very obviously crying as she in unhappy with what is happening and I wouldn't want anything to do with those personally, both as I wouldn't want to support them being made and because I wouldn't be remotely turned on by watching them. I will though buy and watch scenes where a woman's eyes may water from deepthroating a cock, which to me is very different.

I care to the point that I feel bad for the girls if they’re going through difficult things, I respect them and am grateful for the entertainment they provide. They’re not my girlfriend though so you won’t ever see me just giving money or gifts to my favourites. I’ll pay for porn that I want but that’s as far as it goes. In terms of the scene itself, it’s much more important to me to get a good scene that I like than whether the girl had fun in the scene. That doesn’t mean that I want the girl to suffer abuse on set, not at all, I hate that. It’s just not that important to me if people are having fun. I am happy if they are just doing it for the money as long as they can convincingly pretend they are having great sex.

dap-addict wrote:

Michael_Ko1 wrote:I like a mix of things.
I can really enjoy a scene where the girl is clearly enjoying it and having fun, but i also really like girls not enjoying it and just keep going for the money.

But would you wish for a girl clearly having a hard time to be able to change her job?
Or do you derive your joy from their lack of options to gain the money needed?

A bit of a late reply, but better late then never

Well off course i believe in choice. If the girl does not want to do it, she should not agree to it. And if so to say she really needs the money, then she also needs to accept whatever she agreed to.
I think there is multiple parts to it.
Off course i feel for the girl if she feels the need to really do things she does not want to do. At the same time she is also "a product" that is booked to produce a porn video. And i do realize for girls "being" that product is much more intense since its their holes actually getting penetrated and stretched, a very different sensation then just inserting yourself.

I like seeing the real emotion, if it is a good emotion of enjoyment, love that. If the girl is just taking a big pounding and she clearly doesnt enjoy that, i enjoy watching that too. Off course proper safe wording needs to be there but untill then i also think the girls should be professional about it (just like the men/producers should be).

Michael_Ko1 wrote:At the same time she is also "a product" that is booked to produce a porn video. And i do realize for girls "being" that product is much more intense since its their holes actually getting penetrated and stretched, a very different sensation then just inserting yourself.

Late replay, too, but that "product" reference is very important in this discussion!
Girls basically have to learn to play just a role and not set themselves into what is happening on and off set. This however is easy said and really difficult to do!

dap-addict wrote:

Michael_Ko1 wrote:At the same time she is also "a product" that is booked to produce a porn video. And i do realize for girls "being" that product is much more intense since its their holes actually getting penetrated and stretched, a very different sensation then just inserting yourself.

Late replay, too, but that "product" reference is very important in this discussion!
Girls basically have to learn to play just a role and not set themselves into what is happening on and off set. This however is easy said and really difficult to do!

i don't have time to go into the other aspects of this thread that i could say much about (i just dropped in to quickly browse last night's updates), but calling the models 'products' is a really ugly and dehumanising way of of refering to them and having noticed that i can't pass it by without comment

the models are never products. they are fistly 'human beings' or 'people'. following from that they are 'women'. when they are at work they can be called 'workers'. the value of their work can be called their 'labour' (within the capitalist model)

but they are never 'products'

the only time a person can be referred to as a 'product' is at a slave auction. and even then it's actually more correct to say that (even in that horrendous situation) they still remain 'human beings' and it is ultimately only the value of their potential 'labour' that is being sold

the only thing you can call a 'product' in xxx production is the scene which is sold

calling women 'products' is a *really* slippery moral slope to be on. don't do it!

Product is a very bad choice of words here.
A video production by a studio is a product. These women are models and performers, who are offering a service, just like for example an IT consultant is offering a service.
And they are true professionals at the job they are doing, because we know that it is not an easy job at all. It takes talent, skills, training, persistence, and work ethics to do this job in a good way.
And the studio's are using their services to complete their products, the video productions.

paobroncix01 wrote:Product is a very bad choice of words here.
A video production by a studio is a product. These women are models and performers, who are offering a service, just like for example an IT consultant is offering a service.
And they are true professionals at the job they are doing, because we know that it is not an easy job at all. It takes talent, skills, training, persistence, and work ethics to do this job in a good way.
And the studio's are using their services to complete their products, the video productions.

Perfectly said

I care a lot for active or potentially active performers in porn who both my partner and I like.
Examples of whom are: Francys Belle, Vittoria Divine, Adeline, Ria Sunn, Nuria M, Angie Bloom, Rebel Rhyder, Lena Coxx, Qween Goddess, Jolee Love, and many more.

However, for some who have not been active, and are potentially permanently retired...they may not be in my thoughts or radar.