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Let me open this thread because I think there are many of us who as simple civilian fans contributed to girls starting porn or pushing their envelopes.

We always talk about adult agencies and porn studios recruiting successes, but a bit too little about fans grassroots work.

There was a fan yesterday or some days ago who asked for a list of adult agencies: This is my indirect answer! There are also fans and most girls are independant today anyway, they dont need agencies anymore. I dont claim agencies were bad, but picture is much more diverse!

Me, I started about 20y ago by trying to convince already existing porn girls I liked to try DAP. One of the first was Simony Diamond, a huge star than. I got in contact and rose money for her DAPbreakin' aound 2005 - 10 years before GIO finally got her for DAP if I'm not mistaken - but she wanted too much money at that time. However, this experience showed me it was possible to take direct action as a simple civilian fan I was than.
Next one was Carla Cox... and here I actually succeeded, but her DAPbreakin' was too short and too bad. Failure or success?

How is your story?
Is there a cam-girl you motivated to do hardcore anal?
Or a fave girl not into piss or vomit you motivated to jump her former red line?

I ask because I know we are a few here with some successes - and some failures, which still showed us how this biz really works.

Big leap forward took a long long time however. It started many many years latr when first really very motivated completely civilian girl contacted me and asked for helping her perform DAP for LP. She wanted to become a porn star as simple as that! But she also needed money of course or maybe better: She was tired of her small shop assistants job and looking for an easier and faster way to earn her money, and much better money! Just checked how much they payed for her 1st DAP and wow, that was 372,7 times more per hour than that shop assistant job she had!

I took that call and saw maybe more I wanted from the inside workings of that biz. But it was worth it, and I kept doing it, even if that girl for personal reasons dropped out too fast.

Yet another egocentric, forum hijacking operation disguised as content/user participation. And yet people keep asking, 'Why is the forum decaying?'—Jesus bloody Christ.

cool topic dap-addict!
do you have pics of your personal successes?

Is cool read this kind of histories. Must be quite exciting and cool achieve that a girl enter in porn by your own advice or help.

I'm wondering how often this really happen. Don't seems something common that a porn user does contact with some cam girl and convice them to enter in the industry, i think would be rare read other experiences like that form other users except of you.

In unrelated news many models are harassed by wannabe model recruiters.

I do see that bad side of fans action. There actually has been a plague of social media agents only. GIO wrote about notorious guys earning actually a living never meeting these girls some years ago. And ofc fans have to be very polite and to proof they can really help getting porn jobs. Pro girls will soon figure out who is who.
Still I know of fans visitng cam sites for instance and linking some of these girls to LP studios. Me I am not cam site interested. Today I mainly act if girls approach me. However, I started offering to pay motivation fees for DAPbreakin's of Simony Diamond, Carla Cox a.o. Eurobabes of 15-20y ago. I dont see this as a harrassment. But I see such fans action may have a dark side if fans dont show needed respect.

My first success was a DAPbreakin' of Carla Cox financed for her own website https://carlacoxrocks.com
I cant even find that scene anymore today, lol.
Anyway, it was an expensive endeavor and I had no profit share at all, but I really wanted that DAP and agreed on her propositions than about 15y ago.
Scene itself sort of failed because they could use less than half a minute of DAP footage and only 1 position. Still to my knowledge its her only DAP scene.

Coop was nice and rspectful on both sides, but I clearly payed too much. Also there was no content share agreement than, which today I would instist of. At that time it was a product of love, however. I still dont regret a single Euro payed for it!

Next success was Jenna Lovely DAPbreakin', another really rare one.
Here co-op was more fair than with Carla Cox; goodwill of her DAP team for me as just a common civilian fan at that time around 2011-13 was really great. DAP itself wasnt something to rave about and I remember the girl to drop out pretty fast afterwards due to one of the early Prague syph outbreaks. Still both Czech ladies thought me it was possible!
And this was pre-LP times...

DD_hh_sgp wrote:do you have pics of your personal successes?

Really can't find it, but for Jenny Lovely the dvd title was something like Disharmony, something tongue in cheek. Cant find that film at the moment, it was a small label I think, maybe only a local Czech one.
But here is a pic of her fitting the way she looked than for that DAP pretty well. You might remember her rather heavily made-up for 21S. We choose a more timid aura, also fitting her BTS character better.

Ok, found it finally, dvd released later was called Disharmony: The Debacle (Orchid).

Filming was artsy and Jenna Lovely didnt perform DAP well. Also she retired soon after that DAPbreakin. I dont remember how much I contributed financially but I remember some talks. Despite DAP itself being a failure it showed me it's possible!

dap-addict wrote:Let me open this thread because I think there are many of us who as simple civilian fans contributed to girls starting porn or pushing their envelopes.

We always talk about adult agencies and porn studios recruiting successes, but a bit too little about fans grassroots work.

There was a fan yesterday or some days ago who asked for a list of adult agencies: This is my indirect answer! There are also fans and most girls are independant today anyway, they dont need agencies anymore. I dont claim agencies were bad, but picture is much more diverse!

Me, I started about 20y ago by trying to convince already existing porn girls I liked to try DAP. One of the first was Simony Diamond, a huge star than. I got in contact and rose money for her DAPbreakin' aound 2005 - 10 years before GIO finally got her for DAP if I'm not mistaken - but she wanted too much money at that time. However, this experience showed me it was possible to take direct action as a simple civilian fan I was than.
Next one was Carla Cox... and here I actually succeeded, but her DAPbreakin' was too short and too bad. Failure or success?

How is your story?
Is there a cam-girl you motivated to do hardcore anal?
Or a fave girl not into piss or vomit you motivated to jump her former red line?

I ask because I know we are a few here with some successes - and some failures, which still showed us how this biz really works.

Nice thread, man! I've talked with few girls as well about that, which I found in Internet, and some of them were interested in filming, but later they changed their plans, or just afraid to do it, so no real success.
Anyway, maybe you remember, I wrote here my idea about crowdfunding platform to attract new actresses in industry, so, I've started to make it! I want to add some gamification process with clear awards and kinda level system of actresses, what do you think? In attachments one page of the platform I'm making now, there is will be studio access, access for actresses and for supporters, supporters will make the funds by donations, actress could apply for the funding, after that supporters will vote for actress herself, her outfit and scene details, for studio who will shoot the scene etc. and finally actress and studio will have a time to make a scene and receive the money from fund. What do you think?

SuperKeksimus, looks nice, but the virginity thing isnt realistic.
Least boys in real life a girl had I motived for DAP was 3 BF plus some one-night-stands. Virginity is a completely unrealistic concept imo.

Btw, also watch out about anal creampies since 99% are faked. Its not worth the fuss imo. Also large cum-shooter groops are difficult and fussy to film. I'd concentrate on 3-4 main scenarios. Just basic stuff like 3on1, 5on1 etc.
Also please be aware that even small gangbangs are expensive to shoot and it wont be that easy to collect the funds needed.

This is one of the reasons I funded that Carla Cox DAPbreakin' just with 2 studs. And even such small group of actors was an expnsive endeavor, because you also need to rent a studio, a MU, a lightman, a cameraman, post production etc.

dap-addict wrote:SuperKeksimus, looks nice, but the virginity thing isnt realistic.
Least boys in real life a girl had I motived for DAP was 3 BF plus some one-night-stands. Virginity is a completely unrealistic concept imo.

Yea, I agree, but for getting a fund actress could film in anal only scenes and play virgin, right? Like Bianca Dantas doing for example, all of her scenes is anal-only, so it isnt hard to not film in classic scenes for a good money support, I think.
Or even make a virginity surgery for 1 scene to show it on camera, it isnt expensive but will be mind-blowing for many guys, I bet! The market is ready for it.
Anyway if you have some ideas about the platform itself, levels or special fund (there is on a top right corner) write it, I want to make a real platform which will change the industry and opinion of community is valuable.

dap-addict wrote:Btw, also watch out about anal creampies since 99% are faked. Its not worth the fuss imo. Also large cum-shooter groops are difficult and fussy to film. I'd concentrate on 3-4 main scenarios. Just basic stuff like 3on1, 5on1 etc.
Also please be aware that even small gangbangs are expensive to shoot and it wont be that easy to collect the funds needed.

This is one of the reasons I funded that Carla Cox DAPbreakin' just with 2 studs. And even such small group of actors was an expnsive endeavor, because you also need to rent a studio, a MU, a lightman, a cameraman, post production etc.

It's everything on a studios side, I'm not going to organize and shoot anything, platform will be only for attract and support the actresses, like OF.
Shooting should be done by professionals, and I'm not professional.

SuperKeksimus wrote:Nice thread, man! I've talked with few girls as well about that, which I found in Internet, and some of them were interested in filming, but later they changed their plans, or just afraid to do it, so no real success.

Main problem is cam girls you meet while working on chats answer your questions the way they think you want to hear. Cam girl scouting has a chance only if you meet them outside their work hours, which is much more difficult ofc.

Keksimus, around 2010 when I started buying first DAP scenes I was able to fund such scenes with a few 1000$ each, but I never did it completly alone. Today, 15y later I wouldnt pay more than 500$ I think even for my most wanted DAPbreakin' because other alternative DAP scenes are readily available at 5-15$, i.e. 30times less. But this is a reason I'd actually be interested to share costs with other fans. Question is just are you able to find 10-20 users ready to pay a serious sum really?

SuperKeksimus wrote:Shooting should be done by professionals, and I'm not professional.

The 2 up-mentioned shootings were done by professionals as well, but in Carla Cox case I had still to pay all the needed hard- and software, incl studs DAP-ing her in that scene. In Jenna Lovelys case luckily I had support by director who shared my dream. That scene was much cheaper for me and consisted mainly of a motivation payment for Jenna. It was 3-5 times cheaper than the Carla Cox thing, but that one I clearly over-payed not knowing local going rates etc. I was just still very naive than!

Soon after these two initial trials I managed to find a studio really sharing my vision (and going byond) and that made it much more easy. I think as a crowdfunding project would have to go this way, all the rest is too expensive.

dap-addict wrote:

SuperKeksimus wrote:Nice thread, man! I've talked with few girls as well about that, which I found in Internet, and some of them were interested in filming, but later they changed their plans, or just afraid to do it, so no real success.

Main problem is cam girls you meet while working on chats answer your questions the way they think you want to hear. Cam girl scouting has a chance only if you meet them outside their work hours, which is much more difficult ofc.

Keksimus, around 2010 when I started buying first DAP scenes I was able to fund such scenes with a few 1000$ each, but I never did it completly alone. Today, 15y later I wouldnt pay more than 500$ I think even for my most wanted DAPbreakin' because other alternative DAP scenes are readily available at 5-15$, i.e. 30times less. But this is a reason I'd actually be interested to share costs with other fans. Question is just are you able to find 10-20 users ready to pay a serious sum really?

I think the main key is not to find a 10-20 guys who will pay 300-700$ each, but make a platform where 5000 guys can subscribe and pay 5$ each, that's an aim.
5000 guys isn't much even if we are talking about porn market, it's huge and I bet a lot of guys wanted to be involved in it as supporters and the community who will have a right of vote and influence on industry for just 5-10$ per month as a support to actress directly

dap-addict wrote:

DD_hh_sgp wrote:do you have pics of your personal successes?

Really can't find it, but for Jenny Lovely the dvd title was something like Disharmony, something tongue in cheek. Cant find that film at the moment, it was a small label I think, maybe only a local Czech one.
But here is a pic of her fitting the way she looked than for that DAP pretty well. You might remember her rather heavily made-up for 21S. We choose a more timid aura, also fitting her BTS character better.

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looking at Jennas ass it should have worked better;)

dap-addict wrote:Btw, also watch out about anal creampies since 99% are faked. Its not worth the fuss imo. Also large cum-shooter groops are difficult and fussy to film. I'd concentrate on 3-4 main scenarios. Just basic stuff like 3on1, 5on1 etc.
Also please be aware that even small gangbangs are expensive to shoot and it wont be that easy to collect the funds needed.

This is one of the reasons I funded that Carla Cox DAPbreakin' just with 2 studs. And even such small group of actors was an expnsive endeavor, because you also need to rent a studio, a MU, a lightman, a cameraman, post production etc.

Carla Cox...liked that DPfanatics scene! Beautiful ass!

DD_hh_sgp wrote:looking at Jennas ass it should have worked better;)

I think she had a bad day and there were crew problems.
You also have to take into account that your gape is one of her best.
DAPbreakin' was nothing to get very excited about in terms of quality, but I felt big satisfaction Jenna Lovely was finally broken in. Too bad she retired soon after. She was way under shock after that first major STD outbreak in years, but truth spoken nothing dramatic happened. For me it was a big loss than and I had also planned to co-pay for a 2nd DAP shot differently.
I still keep very fond memories for her!

dap-addict wrote:Big leap forward took a long long time however. It started many many years latr when first really very motivated completely civilian girl contacted me and asked for helping her perform DAP for LP. She wanted to become a porn star as simple as that! But she also needed money of course or maybe better: She was tired of her small shop assistants job and looking for an easier and faster way to earn her money, and much better money! Just checked how much they payed for her 1st DAP and wow, that was 372,7 times more per hour than that shop assistant job she had!

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I took that call and saw maybe more I wanted from the inside workings of that biz. But it was worth it, and I kept doing it, even if that girl for personal reasons dropped out too fast.

Ava Harris' DP Piss scene (GL404) was brilliant. Really enjoyed it. https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215460

Her DAP scene less so. Shame she didn't sell that well and then had her lips done and got some bad tattoos. A lot of promise there.

Jimbo8012395 wrote:Shame she didn't sell that well and then had her lips done and got some bad tattoos. A lot of promise there.

Thats the human factor and freedom of girls in civilized biz relations: I knew she dreamt of getting some tattoos and we had agreed that she'll consult all tattoo ideas before implementing them. But turned out she just did them sponatnously - on spot, the side belly figure because a friend proposed her to do it, the one on her ass cheek in polish in an emotional turmoil. Both harmed her sales and re-booking options.

On DP vs. DAP I'll comment later, thats more complicated.

Jimbo8012395 wrote:Her DAP scene less so.

DAP scene was her about 5th ever anal scene in all her life. She prepared before travelling to Prague for that shot, but she couldnt really imagine how much training is needed. Luckily she had a pretty gigh pain tolerance and as you could read in our interview she really had promised to me to do that DAPbreakin' and wanted to keep her promise. Studs had to help her ofc and there were quite a few brakes, more than usual. You see that actually watching that video, its quite cut and pasted, made into one piece in post-production.
My highlight in that DAP shot was that during one of the post-DAP 1on1 assfucks Ava got the very first orgasms in her entire sex life, which started about 5y prior to her deciding to try porn. Listening her describing how she felt was so heartwarming! But yes, also sad because it showed she wasnt lucky with BFs and private lovers 15-21yo.
For me that scene however is also a proof how much good and joy - under certain circumstances - can give to those girls!

correction: ...porn jobs can give to those girls!
It wanst a DAPgasm, though.
That would have been mega-kaif!

DAPbreakin scene @ GIO1747: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215645

I was really surprised how much users felt by trailer or screenshots of other info that this scene is heavily cut, which lowered sales ofc.
Still today I reproach myself that I didnt insist more on Ava training more before takeing the train to Prague. At the same time I was far as always and dependant on what she told me, I am no baby-sitter but was just a means helping her reach her porn goal. Bottom line of that work day is she was very happy about her payment! That glow of her eyes, that joy of her voice, its worth a lot - even that work day was sure hard for her!

Jimbo8012395 wrote:Ava Harris' DP Piss scene (GL404) was brilliant. Really enjoyed it. https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215460

Her DP scene sold actually better than her DAP and also her anal intro, something happening very seldom @ GIO those days.
All her scenes were released in very string competition months, which dindt help her positioning, Anyway, specially for you, Jimbo, here is Ava's first DP styleing, revised later and opted for a more goth look.

DD_hh_sgp wrote:cool topic dap-addict!
do you have pics of your personal successes?

Clue is if you starr from zero like in Avas case you get such pics first and you have to get a girl trimmed up to such a state - at minmum.

Some fans may claim both girls had naked torsos and thats was what counted, but between these two fotos is a tremendous lot of unpayed work done by almost everybody involved in those first three porn shots leading to DAPbreakin, uncountable hours on my part motivateing her to really dare to try it and jump into that pond, to really challenge herself, to really put her body on that crucial porn test!
And than in the end you get a sales sheet ideally and it just may look much worse than you expected! Despite all those hours and all your care, despite all that hard work of the girl! Porn can be brutally competitive, but also crazy rewarding. Thats why now I mainly remember her eyes when she got her DAPbreakin' payslip - and her stories how that very first orgasm of her life felt.

tobias83 wrote:Jesus bloody Christ.

Lets put it like this: IF BFs and lovers of civilan girls would and be less egocentric and care more for their needs girls would come to porn sets to get orgasms!
World is immersing in jealousy, egoisms and wars instead of building a new kingdom of good. peace and joy!

correction: Girls wouldn't come to porn to get orgasms!

SuperKeksimus wrote:Anyway if you have some ideas about the platform itself, levels or special fund (there is on a top right corner) write it, I want to make a real platform which will change the industry and opinion of community is valuable.

My advice would be to get the options as little as possible influenced by your own fetishes and make options as easy as possible. A very limited number of scripts or fetishes will make it easier to realize, I think.
This said me, I would not go below DAP, so you may just need that virgin thing or that bukkake option. You start that homepage, so your fetishes count most in your project.

Anyway, less is more I think.
I wish you luck!
Cool idea!

SuperKeksimus, important is also to link it to a trusted crowd-funding provider I think, because while I trust my own projects and can put there hundreds of $ easily, me and a lot other fans will think twice if somebody we dont know personally asks us the same. I hope its possible under disguise with a mainstream provider, just collecting funds for a seemingly mainstream film.
Have you any ideas about these money technicalities yet?

dap-addict wrote:

Jimbo8012395 wrote:Ava Harris' DP Piss scene (GL404) was brilliant. Really enjoyed it. https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215460

Her DP scene sold actually better than her DAP and also her anal intro, something happening very seldom @ GIO those days.
All her scenes were released in very string competition months, which dindt help her positioning, Anyway, specially for you, Jimbo, here is Ava's first DP styleing, revised later and opted for a more goth look.

Ava Harris @ GIO BTS 2-21.jpg

Ava wasn't the prettiest girl Giorgio had ever shot, but she was still attractive and really had something about her (a bit awkward, delightfully submissive). She was a very good piss drinker and took hard anal like a trooper. I wish she'd done another DP (maybe Waka Waka) before jumping into a DAP. It might have prepared her better for what was to come.

Jimbo8012395 wrote:I wish she'd done another DP (maybe Waka Waka) before jumping into a DAP. It might have prepared her better for what was to come.

I see your point and you are right. But there was a booking slot cramming and they just had to try it or leave it. 1 actor prepared her the evening before as good as he could, that helped a lot. But outcome was as it was. Luckily Ava's pain tolerance was really extraordinary and she's true sub also in private life. You see from this that not all is just acting ofc. DAP is so challangeing that often real inner self of girls bursts out in middle of a pro set! DAPbreakins or real rookies are un-calculable in essence!
Ava was super hard with herself, I'll always hail her for her comittement to porn!

Just to kill all sick porn fan fantasies: No, her ass wasnt destroyed after that shot and after her real anal trooper work she could very soon do all needed again with no pain. I dont remember exactly so many years later, but it must have been 40-50min after her post-sperm shower Ava was strolling nearby Albert market to buy chips and coke.

dap-addict wrote:

Jimbo8012395 wrote:I wish she'd done another DP (maybe Waka Waka) before jumping into a DAP. It might have prepared her better for what was to come.

I see your point and you are right. But there was a booking slot cramming and they just had to try it or leave it. 1 actor prepared her the evening before as good as he could, that helped a lot. But outcome was as it was. Luckily Ava's pain tolerance was really extraordinary and she's true sub also in private life. You see from this that not all is just acting ofc. DAP is so challangeing that often real inner self of girls bursts out in middle of a pro set! DAPbreakins or real rookies are un-calculable in essence!
Ava was super hard with herself, I'll always hail her for her comittement to porn!

Not all women are created equal in this respect. Some have a very high pain tolerances. Some have very elastic assholes. Some have both. But both usually come with experience. A former girlfriend of mine could take 4 fingers in her ass, even without lube, but she'd done a lot of anal in her life.

It's a shame Ava only did 3 scenes with Giorgio. I think Ava's situation could have been managed better by Giorgio tbh.

As for porn scenarios, I'd love to do a full DVD with a mixture of girls of different sizes to do DP, DAP. From slim (Size 8 UK) up to pleasantly plump (size 16 UK). I also think pretty, normal sized girls with a bit of chub are chronically under represented in porn. It's either girls who are slim or girls who are massive and morbidly obese. There's rarely an in-between.

Ava's pain tolerance is really high, but experience was low. Also lower then first communicated, otherwise I would have insisted more and monitored training effects. As it was I was just happy she was training and counted on her body-consciousness. Anyway, without that hight pain tolerance that DAPbreakin could have easily ended as a stopped scene with lots of money lost for GIO.
And as you said yourself ofc such failures are worse more for niche attractive girls.

Jimbo8012395 wrote:It's a shame Ava only did 3 scenes with Giorgio. I think Ava's situation could have been managed better by Giorgio tbh.

There were big plans and also a beauty enhancement proposition, but it was a time GIO had a lot of new models and competition was extremely hard. Also sth right hand seemed not to know what left hand had proposed. Ava decided to not wait but do it herself on her own cost, but outcome with those tattoos were as they were. For me it was extremely frustrating because ofc I had planned to go further than just her DAPbreakin'. She later worked also for AGO, I dont know whether you know that DAP.


As for your last idea: DVDs are dead, at least I think so. Although me, too, I keep about 500 stored away in dusty old boxes somewhere in an attic.

Jimbo8012395 wrote:I think Ava's situation could have been managed better by Giorgio tbh.

To avoid misunderstandings: GIO had a plan and proposition for Ava. But than basically she did those ugly crazy tattooes, and also her 3 scenes under-performed financially. I have to stress however that studio had a fair and workable plan for Ava Harris incl. some enhancements and also dental care. I was actually impressed! On the other hand there is always a girl with her dreams and her turmoils, her love-affairs etc. She had just turned 21yo when she performed DAP and had never been abroad before. Prague opened a new world for her, but in the end it wasnt compatible. Just shows that good will from biz and anal talent from girls side is a lot, but its not all!
We are all dealing with humans, with emotions, anal hardcore porn production is not a factory line!

dap-addict wrote:

Jimbo8012395 wrote:I think Ava's situation could have been managed better by Giorgio tbh.

To avoid misunderstandings: GIO had a plan and proposition for Ava. But than basically she did those ugly crazy tattooes, and also her 3 scenes under-performed financially. I have to stress however that studio had a fair and workable plan for Ava Harris incl. some enhancements and also dental care. I was actually impressed! On the other hand there is always a girl with her dreams and her turmoils, her love-affairs etc. She had just turned 21yo when she performed DAP and had never been abroad before. Prague opened a new world for her, but in the end it wasnt compatible. Just shows that good will from biz and anal talent from girls side is a lot, but its not all!
We are all dealing with humans, with emotions, anal hardcore porn production is not a factory line!

That's a shame. Giorgio's always come across as a decent guy tbf.