PornBox.com

It's scary how dull and shitty this site is now. What a shame.

I don't even talk about the 80% of gay amateurish scenes and reloads we get everyday.
But there's like zero Euro girls now, just the same latinas and the same flabby dicked black acrobats they call porn studs..

I used to come every day, getting a bonner just by seeing the thumbnails, watching half a dozen trailers a day. I'm sure a lot of people were the same. Now I come here just from time to time, stay like 30 seconds, shake my head, raise my eyes and leave...

Oh sure, the real porn addicts probably still come and buy scenes to fill their needs (aka get crooked into buying mediocre boring porn at a high price), but they are like heroin addicts using the first shit they find on the street to get their fix, they are not the fine "fancy drug" conoisseurs they're used to be

A few years ago I made a thread called "are latinas taking over LP". At the time it was a breath of fresh air. I think we can answer now that yes, Latinas (they're beautiful) and Latin Studios (they are awfull) took over AnalVidz completely...for the worse.

RIP Analvidz, it was good while it lasted!

Regarding the gay content, you can filter this out.

I agree that on some days, the releases are poor in general...with only 1 or 2 potentially buy-able scenes.

The days when LPAV was releasing content on a daily basis where 5+ scenes are buyable and quite decent are sadly behind us.

However, I would say that the site is evolving, and porn in general has been evolving.
Some of the scenes now, and some of the girls now are as good as they have ever been.

So, to summarise I would not despair.

I would despair somewhat.

Because the site hasn't modernized in a manner that would ensure long term survival.

Whoever's in charge of the thing must think that peak porn happened in 2001, when you would be thrilled when you found an actual website (with videos!!!), and you didn't mind seeing a few thumbnails with dudes sucking each other's cocks, because, maybe, just maybe, after browsing through 200 or so videos, you would find one that was actually watchable.

I can't distinguish the top of the site from the bottom of it anymore in terms of quality. The top usually has some gay shit - which, let's be fucking honest, nobody that shows up to a site that has gay fucking porn right at the top is going to say, "Hey, you know what, I think maybe if I just fuck around with the options for five minutes, I can figure out a way to stop seeing guys fucking each other when I visit."

No, they're going to be like, "Ewww. Fuck. If I wanted gay porn, I would've gone to a gay porn site. What the fuck is this shit? Fuck off Analvids!"

Guess how many shitty videos it takes to kill any interest in the site? Two. One can be a mistake. A second one is intentional.

You know what else is great? When an actual good scene gets released - and then falls behind to Page 4 on the second day it's out. Fucking brilliant.

It's like, "Want to watch a good scene? Spend fifteen minutes trying to find it! Hahahahaha!"

I remember a time, like, way back when, when I would visit Legalporno, and I would see a long list of absolutely mind-bendingly gorgeous girls, listed one after another, in an endless succession, doing the most perverse and incredible sex acts. Not wet sports. But, you know, actual sex. Not staring at a man's asshole for fifteen minutes straight. But, you know, watching the girl get proper fucked.

But there was no need to pollute the list with tons of awful crap, because, the quality of yesterday would still be quality today. And if the person who already visited yesterday visited today and only had two new scenes to choose from - that'd be alright - because they were quality.

These ghetto-ass, behind-the-dumpster, 480p poor lighting, two ugly fat Mexicans fucking each other, these red-light rooms where you can't make out fuck all, these gay videos that, like all bad ideas on AV/PB, seem to be filtering into everything else, just gives the site such a cheap, greasy, and (not good) dirty feeling.

There are still studios who shoot incredible content.

Too bad they're being actively hunted by the haunted design and non-sensical neighboring videos.

Like throwing a gold brick into the sewer.

I'm surprised nobody who produces decent content has said anything about this. Like, "Why is my top tier production rubbing up against this absolute garbage? What the fuck is wrong with you people? Do you want me to lose all of my money? Do you want to lose all of yours? Wake the fuck up!"

hyapet wrote:I'm surprised nobody who produces decent content has said anything about this. Like, "Why is my top tier production rubbing up against this absolute garbage? What the fuck is wrong with you people? Do you want me to lose all of my money? Do you want to lose all of yours? Wake the fuck up!"

AnalVids/Pornbox move to a tube-style 'quantity over quality' tube site model was made a couple of years ago, and I don't see the 'good old days' ever coming back. I would suggest adding a separate premium site (maybe branded under the old Legal Porno brand, which used to be a mark of quality, and might still hold some prestige and good will amongst customers) where only the top studios offer their product - top quality anal action free from this unending deluge of amateur crap and reissued 90's scenes. However, with Gonzo & NRX dead, and other studios clearly struggling, I'm not sure if there is enough quality product left to make it worthwhile.

So much crap that even if suddenly there's a good scene, there's a very good chance you'll miss it

Evil_Del wrote:A few years ago I made a thread called "are latinas taking over LP". At the time it was a breath of fresh air. I think we can answer now that yes, Latinas (they're beautiful) and Latin Studios (they are awfull) took over AnalVidz completely...for the worse.

True, but it's because European porn sex act fees have run out of hand and only Latina girls work still for affordable fees basically.

When imported to Prague or Bukarest Latina girls scenes are much better than when produced by NTP and her wood problem studs, but importing costs again are high.


Btw, as for the site organization I recently have a kind of A-studios and B-studios view on my landing page. A-studios are not basically all old LP studio plus ex-DDF. B-studios are the old re-posted scenes shit. Only problem is scam studio LTP/Anal Teens/Bruno Films is listed like an A-Studio. But I just ignore them and life with that.

It's still a major turn off for the new customer, though. Who is vitally important.

So, some new porn consumer figures, hey, I really like those DP's they do in North America, but I wonder if it could get more intense. And somebody points them towards analvids.com.

They go to the main page of analvids.com and the first thing you see in the top right corner is Sakura Chan's first DPP - found here: https://www.analvids.com/watch/730329/9 ... k_discount

And that's good.

Then they say, "Okay? What are the options for the site?" And of course - newest releases are going to the be the first thing they check out. Like - just human instinct.

Okay - so then Buddy gets to the Newest Releases page - and he sees two dudes sucking each other's dick in the top left hand corner and the same two dudes fucking each other in the top right.

And do you know what he's going to think?

He's going to think that the entire site is a bait and switch. Promised steak - delivered tofu. Like, several parts of his brain will be trying to work out what's actually going on here. Why would a site that's producing what looks like top notch content - tell me that the best thing they have on sale for the entire day yesterday is two dudes shooting a webcam movie of them fucking each other in a low light dingy apartment? How ... does this add up?

And he'll come to the conclusion - quite rightly so - that it fucking doesn't.

And at that point - the trust will be broken. The chance for the credit card to come out of the holster will be severely diminished. He's not in the zone of thinking, "Man - so much great fucking porn - where do I even start?" Instead, he's thinking, "How much of this stuff is actually good?"

First impressions, man. Important.

And would you go to the options for the site and start dinking around with what you want to see and what you don't after having such arrived? It's porn on the Internet, man. I fucking wouldn't. Especially not after seeing two dudes giving each other the business at the top of the page using a 1990's video camera.

Tube sites are a dime a dozen - but even they know how to separate their categories automatically.

Why AV/PB would want to take after that model - when they have their own studios that could easily fit the traditional "this is the cream of our crop - please enjoy" model is beyond me.

Some days now - I forget to check the main page.

That would've been impossible a year ago. Now - it's like - meh.

You can only push tofu in front of everybody so many times before they start equating your restaurant with that instead of steak.

And for the new customer?

Why would he even look at the menu after seeing that crap?

dap-addict wrote:True, but it's because European porn sex act fees have run out of hand and only Latina girls work still for affordable fees basically.

This is the bit we haven't yet drilled down into though. Why is it that only Latinas will take the fees currently on offer? Is it because porn has made the work so difficult and degrading that only girls from economically challenged parts of the world will now consider it? Euro girls haven't all of a sudden become prudish, have they? Probably those of them who are now 18-21 and would otherwise have been open to the idea of getting into hardcore porn have been watching the likes of AV/LP on their phones for the best part of 10 years and decided "No thanks" to the degrading/humiliating style of action they've seen. And who can blame them.

TheVulture wrote:

dap-addict wrote:True, but it's because European porn sex act fees have run out of hand and only Latina girls work still for affordable fees basically.

This is the bit we haven't yet drilled down into though. Why is it that only Latinas will take the fees currently on offer? Is it because porn has made the work so difficult and degrading that only girls from economically challenged parts of the world will now consider it? Euro girls haven't all of a sudden become prudish, have they? Probably those of them who are now 18-21 and would otherwise have been open to the idea of getting into hardcore porn have been watching the likes of AV/LP on their phones for the best part of 10 years and decided "No thanks" to the degrading/humiliating style of action they've seen. And who can blame them.

South Americans can afford to work for less, this has always been the case (see constant arguments about "importing cheap labor" through the southern border of the US). The difference now is that porn studios are no longer profitable enough to pay the fees that a lot of American/Euro performers demand.

jjwhite1985 wrote:

TheVulture wrote:

dap-addict wrote:True, but it's because European porn sex act fees have run out of hand and only Latina girls work still for affordable fees basically.

This is the bit we haven't yet drilled down into though. Why is it that only Latinas will take the fees currently on offer? Is it because porn has made the work so difficult and degrading that only girls from economically challenged parts of the world will now consider it? Euro girls haven't all of a sudden become prudish, have they? Probably those of them who are now 18-21 and would otherwise have been open to the idea of getting into hardcore porn have been watching the likes of AV/LP on their phones for the best part of 10 years and decided "No thanks" to the degrading/humiliating style of action they've seen. And who can blame them.

South Americans can afford to work for less, this has always been the case (see constant arguments about "importing cheap labor" through the southern border of the US). The difference now is that porn studios are no longer profitable enough to pay the fees that a lot of American/Euro performers demand.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Economic and financial times are tough...cost of living, energy, fuel, super high inflation has meant that the price of everything has gone up a lot. So they can no longer match the fees demanded by a lot of Euro performers. So they have to resort to South American talents, which is no bad thing!

jjwhite1985 wrote:South Americans can afford to work for less, this has always been the case (see constant arguments about "importing cheap labor" through the southern border of the US). The difference now is that porn studios are no longer profitable enough to pay the fees that a lot of American/Euro performers demand.

Indeed, it's the exploitation of cheap labour. But why has the porn industry come to that exclusively (I accept there has always been some of that, and probably always will)? The porn stables are not completely at the mercy of economics. If they can offer something to the girls that transcends pure monetary value then they should still be able to attract Euro girls, no?

Is everyone else here of the opinion that there are now no Euro girls who want to have their brains fucked out in ways they can't in their private lives unless they're paid a shit ton of money? I suspect so, and this has genuinely always been the case here, where everyone seems to have a "lowest common denominator" approach to porn girls. I don't subscribe to that way of thinking. I think there's a balancing act, namely that if the porn is more rewarding and dignified then the girls would probably accept less money.

One thing this current climate might do is give the girls more power to dictate their terms (outside of money). A girl could say "Look, I'll do this. It looks great. But I don't like the slapping/choking/twisting. And you can stick puking up your arse. You can fuck the brains out of me but nothing more. Those are my terms. You don't like them? OK, I've got my OF. See ya!" That's incredibly refreshing. The boot is on the other foot. It will be fascinating to see if any girls put that into action, maybe via an agency or other collective. It would potentially be the self-correcting sea change that the industry needs. The men had their chance and they ran the industry into the ground chasing the extreme dollar. Now maybe the girls can take over and rebuild from the ground up.

Evil_Del wrote:It's scary how dull and shitty this site is now. What a shame.

I don't even talk about the 80% of gay amateurish scenes and reloads we get everyday.
But there's like zero Euro girls now, just the same latinas and the same flabby dicked black acrobats they call porn studs..

I used to come every day, getting a bonner just by seeing the thumbnails, watching half a dozen trailers a day. I'm sure a lot of people were the same. Now I come here just from time to time, stay like 30 seconds, shake my head, raise my eyes and leave...

Oh sure, the real porn addicts probably still come and buy scenes to fill their needs (aka get crooked into buying mediocre boring porn at a high price), but they are like heroin addicts using the first shit they find on the street to get their fix, they are not the fine "fancy drug" conoisseurs they're used to be

A few years ago I made a thread called "are latinas taking over LP". At the time it was a breath of fresh air. I think we can answer now that yes, Latinas (they're beautiful) and Latin Studios (they are awfull) took over AnalVidz completely...for the worse.

RIP Analvidz, it was good while it lasted!

Best porn site on the web. If you can't see that then don't bother coming back. Probably just a wind up merchant from another porn site.

TheVulture wrote:One thing this current climate might do is give the girls more power to dictate their terms (outside of money). A girl could say "Look, I'll do this. It looks great. But I don't like the slapping/choking/twisting. And you can stick puking up your arse. You can fuck the brains out of me but nothing more. Those are my terms. You don't like them? OK, I've got my OF. See ya!" That's incredibly refreshing.

Yes, but thats what Emily Pink tried last half year and it didnt work out for her. I mention her not because she's from South America, but because she lives in Prague, is therefore more like a Czech model. Well, Emily went back to AGO to star in 100% Hell as you know. Why? Because it's all set up and she trusts Angelo Godshack and his studs team. Another example could be Stacy Bloom who has her own studio and Fansly and other outlets, but recently seems to make a lot of PR for an agency setting up private meetings. OF/Fansly etc give the girls power, yes, but for many really good actresses it obviously doenst work out. It might work out for Kristy Black, Silvia Soprano and Sandra Soul, but not for everyone. And there is no rule, or maybe apart from ability to really create a loyal following. It's not about sex, but a live work balance basically, porn just being a job to earn money.

Back to Latin American girls: They work at competitive rates. As simple as that!
And rates in EU run out of hand driven by studios in Prague offering exorbitant fees when they made still good profits without any long term strategy. I know a than popular Colombian girl who got offered 6000$ for a DP only! WTF, such fees kill the biz! And no wonder than suddenly same studios had to change from high offers to very low ones. And so EU girls were cut out all over a sudden.

You gotta remember, though, dap_addict, these are different eco-systems with different ranges of competition.

When you're willing to take three dicks up the stink - then, you're going to narrow the field with potential contenders or even people willing to compete. What that means is, in that eco-system, somebody like Emily Pink is a big fish. But ...

When that same girl goes to OF - she's not only dealing with a much bigger eco-system - but one that doesn't prize her talents to the same degree (and also limits which talents she can even exhibit). I mean, there's no good way to say this, but when it comes to beauty, for TAP action and stuff like that, Emily Pink is a solid 7 out of 10. But, when she goes to OF, and you can see what some of that competition looks like, she's very suddenly a 3 or 4 out of 10 in that pond. And that's being kind.

Her fans won't follow her there - and why would they? They've already got videos of her taking three dudes up the arse - what are they going to do now? Masturbate to her sitting on a couch? And she can't shoot professional grade porn, because the very nature of OF makes having a studio both impractical and too expensive. Might as well go to the pros for that, right?

So, it all goes to the ladder breaking. Once girls ladder break - that's it. They've lost "their cherry," so to say. The girls on OF will build up the break to each ladder like it's a once in a decade event - and they're brilliant for doing so. Take some true top-notch beauties that appeared here on AV/PB for example. The Hayek sisters. Unfathomably beautiful twins of all fucking things. If they would've gone to OF, they would've made 1,000x more than they did with traditional porn, and their most well sold scene would be them gently kissing each other's nipples. Not taking two bazookas up the rear at the same time.

Now that they've done that - that's what's expected of them. There's no going back. You as a DAP-breaker should know this.

So your Emily Pink example doesn't hold as a truth for the medium as a whole.

In short - because the girls have the power on the medium - ladder breaks have become that much rarer and that much more valuable.

Girls who've already broken every imaginable ladder don't have much to offer anymore - in fact - they can just kind of keep going around and doing the same thing they've already done. What for one performer would be, "OMG! She's doing a DAP?!?" For another is, "Oh, only two cocks up the ass this time?" Which is why girls like Eden Ivy were so smart in how they absolutely pilfered AV/PB/GIO on their own terms. No DAP breaking. Just an endless, never-ending string of DP's. Keeping their value while still extracting maximum cash. That's smart. And, that also kills the industry.

But, honestly man? You've got literally thousands of girls on OF that absolutely stand toe-to-toe with some of the cutest/hottest/youngest girls who've ever done porn throughout it's entire history. Imagine having thousands of Lily Rader's just everywhere you look. One more insanely hot than the next.

Isis666xxx was right - guys follow the beauties. Giorgio was right - the OF industry is eating traditional porn alive.

If anything, the fact that Emily Pink couldn't make it within OF is just a showcase of what a "bad career move" it is for somebody who actually is beautiful (even if she doesn't hold a candle to the aforementioned thousand Lily Raders) because, having already sacrificed all of her rungs, and having tons of videos on the net of you doing way more intense and dirty stuff, her value in the OF market was already shot before she even tried to set foot in it.

It was like she traded all of her casino chips for nickels and quarters. It was an absolute downgrade in potential earning. But again, that's not to say she didn't make the right move originally.

She should've stuck to traditional porn. That was her only chance to make money in the industry. The thousand Lily Raders would have eaten her alive regardless.

Which showcases, in it's entirety, the absolutely dire situation the traditional porn industry is in all around.

dap-addict wrote:Yes, but thats what Emily Pink tried last half year and it didnt work out for her. I mention her not because she's from South America, but because she lives in Prague, is therefore more like a Czech model. Well, Emily went back to AGO to star in 100% Hell as you know. Why? Because it's all set up and she trusts Angelo Godshack and his studs team. Another example could be Stacy Bloom who has her own studio and Fansly and other outlets, but recently seems to make a lot of PR for an agency setting up private meetings. OF/Fansly etc give the girls power, yes, but for many really good actresses it obviously doenst work out. It might work out for Kristy Black, Silvia Soprano and Sandra Soul, but not for everyone. And there is no rule, or maybe apart from ability to really create a loyal following. It's not about sex, but a live work balance basically, porn just being a job to earn money.

Back to Latin American girls: They work at competitive rates. As simple as that!
And rates in EU run out of hand driven by studios in Prague offering exorbitant fees when they made still good profits without any long term strategy. I know a than popular Colombian girl who got offered 6000$ for a DP only! WTF, such fees kill the biz! And no wonder than suddenly same studios had to change from high offers to very low ones. And so EU girls were cut out all over a sudden.

Bold bit is where you lost me. You've met and interviewed lots of porn girls. You're quite sure that for all of them it's not even in the slightest about the sex?

TheVulture wrote:Bold bit is where you lost me. You've met and interviewed lots of porn girls. You're quite sure that for all of them it's not even in the slightest about the sex?

Of course it isn't.

Sex for a girl isn't difficult to acquire. It's a resource that there's a lot of in all places. All any girl has to do at any bar, any club, any social gathering is send a half luke-warm signal into the air and, without fail, there'll be a line-up of guys displaying interest.

Typically the girl's that fall into porn want to make money in two ways. Fast and easy. Or so they think. Getting a few grand for an afternoon's worth of work sounds good to them. The biggest trade off they typically have to consider is if they want to pretty much say goodbye to all of their family, friends, and entire social network that knew them as somebody that didn't laugh when getting pee'd on in front of a video camera. For many of them, those things don't even exist.

But saying a girl does porn because she enjoys sex is like saying that men enjoy going to work because they like drinking tap water. It's everywhere. The job gives them no greater access to tap water than they would have otherwise had anyways. And ...

Believe it or not - the girl isn't really allowed to just display her natural self during a shoot. She typically has to make constant eye-contact with the video camera, and then pretend that the video camera is a person who's she's simultaneously hitting on while she's getting fucked. She usually comes up with a persona or personality that she thinks will sell well or give her notoriety which then leads to more work for, hopefully, more money.

I might enjoy watching movies, but it's not the same kind of enjoyment if I have to be doing a handstand the entire time I'm watching it. These girls make it look naturally a lot of the time, but the demands on their positioning, their expressions, their script and vocals actually do make this a very physical, and very real job.

If you were to watch two people just naturally fucking - it's typically the most boring thing in the world. These girls go out and put on a real show. It's a lot closer to gymnastics than it is to normal sex. And while gymnastic sex can still be a lot of fun - the entire production process in and of itself turns the whole thing into a procedure. And I'm sure that as much fun as some girl's might convince you they're having when their colon starts to tear apart on the fifth reshoot of a scene - or for the inability to sit on a chair for a few days afterwards - the safe money is to say they're doing it for the gigantic wad of cash they're going to get, and not the gigantic wad of sperm they've contractually agreed to eat.

Sex for girls are easy to come by.

Usually, it is much more difficult for guys to get laid...than girls.

The reputation of the website is light years away from what it used to be. Sorry for the harsh statement. Of course the environment has changed completely (e.g. lot of girls are able making good money on OF instead of taking the extra effort filming with LP/AV) and the fee for the actrices have been rising tremendously. However the question still is why so many low quality videos are being posted every single day? Some days you can scroll several pages through videos that are not attractive at all IMHO.

Then there's this awful trend having more and more latina girls in the movies. Don't get me wrong, this is no racist statement, instead it is a personal opinion. The beauty of former east-european girls, whether it is Czech, Slovakian, Hungarian or Ukranians or real hotties from middle/western europe is not comparable with these girls. Those have been super energetic, their make-up and clothing was super attractive, tattoos were still decent and not overwhelming as it is nowadays. Well, everyone is having a different taste.

Just my two cents.

TheVulture wrote:

dap-addict wrote:It's not about sex, but a live work balance basically, porn just being a job to earn money.

Back to Latin American girls: They work at competitive rates. As simple as that!
And rates in EU run out of hand driven by studios in Prague offering exorbitant fees when they made still good profits without any long term strategy. I know a than popular Colombian girl who got offered 6000$ for a DP only! WTF, such fees kill the biz! And no wonder than suddenly same studios had to change from high offers to very low ones. And so EU girls were cut out all over a sudden.

Bold bit is where you lost me. You've met and interviewed lots of porn girls. You're quite sure that for all of them it's not even in the slightest about the sex?

Writing the bold sentence I didnt say there was no sex involved in that work, nor did I say there were no girls looking for this kind of work instead of other jobs because they liked sex. I only said that the main reason to join porn biz for them is money.
But you TheVulture and I and many other porn users know that the best LP girls are those who can actually still really get off on a porn set IF actors are good, mood is relaxed enough and they are at ease and have a good day: Stacy Bloom can do that, Moona Snake could, a few others as well. They are an exception, though. And also for them porn is mainly work.