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Hello everyone. I created this thread to share with you the story of how Sheer, Pornbox and Analvids simply don't care about big content producers. As a result of technical problems on the part of the site, I lost a large amount. And now I will tell you how it happened

On October 12th, I posted a group scene: "Hard Double Anal and Pissing Shower for Skinny Teen Sofa Weber". Many people know that I don't release such scenes very often, because they are complex and expensive to produce. However, with good models I am ready to take risks sometimes. October 12th was Saturday, the video was released for 10 minutes on all sites and immediately sent for review. The reason was unclear to me - after all, I did not change anything in the video settings and it was checked by the technical team quite a long time ago. I wrote about this to support, but since it was Saturday, they answered me only on Monday. In the end, we solved the problem only by Tuesday. Well, how did we solve it... if you can call it that. The video was already at the bottom of the list and the projected income for it was just terrible. This is not surprising, because three days have passed - the video has dropped to the bottom, and almost no one has bought it. All that the support team answered was: "Your video is now online and everything is fine with it." Do you think this is fine? Then Sheer support wrote to me that after 15 days I would be able to send a counter offer for payment. Of course, I already knew that this was a scam - never in my life have these counter offers been satisfied. Moreover, they were never even considered by the management.

In total, my forecast for the scene was about $ 1,247. After that, I decided to conduct an experiment and check how much I lost. According to the most conservative estimates, the amount was $ 1,205. Why such an amount? Read on. The first three days after the release of the video was unavailable to users and lost a significant part of the income. As we know, the first days are the most important for the projected income. Then the video drops to the bottom and almost no one sees it. After that, I re-uploaded the same video exclusively without errors and about 60 people bought it in the first three days. This is a significant difference and it clearly shows what would have happened if the video had been released without technical problems. As I said, the video was re-uploaded, so only about 60 people bought it. Otherwise, many more users would have bought it if it had not been re-uploaded. Unfortunately, you can’t re-upload a video exclusively and it was recalculated as non-exclusive. So I received mere pennies for it. In fact, my money was simply stolen. So, 62 people bought the original content and I received an advance payment of $1,246 for it. Another 60 people bought the re-uploaded video. From this it follows that my losses are at least $1,205. Although I think it’s much more, but this can no longer be proven or verified. So I asked to return at least this amount to my balance. For my part, I did everything correctly and did not make any mistakes when releasing the video, namely: the video was uploaded well in advance (about a month before the release) and checked by the team. I did not change the date or change the title of the video, nor did I change any other information in the video before the release. So it is not my fault that I lost this money. Sheer support writes constantly that they have forwarded my request to management. But almost three weeks have passed and there is no answer. Although I regularly remind them of this problem. It is obvious that either Sheer support did not forward my request to management, or the management of Sheer, Pornbox and Analvids frankly do not care about content producers

I hope that the community on the Pornbox forum will be able to convey this problem to the management of Sheer, Pornbox and Analvids. I believe that a large company should pay for its mistakes or deduct money from technical specialists who were to blame for this. And not blame it all on content producers. I would be grateful for the dissemination of this information on the forum and in X, I will also soon publish this post in X. If anyone has had such situations, write about it - I know of at least three large studios that have had the same problems

Nick Morris wrote:For my part, I did everything correctly and did not make any mistakes when releasing the video, namely: the video was uploaded well in advance (about a month before the release) and checked by the team.

I simply dont get it!
Why would they do something like that?
And it happens all the time, namely also to NTP.

dap-addict wrote::mad:

Nick Morris wrote:For my part, I did everything correctly and did not make any mistakes when releasing the video, namely: the video was uploaded well in advance (about a month before the release) and checked by the team.

I simply dont get it!
Why would they do something like that?
And it happens all the time, namely also to NTP.

Do you mean Natasha Teen Production? Unfortunately, this is a common problem. It's strange that no one raised this topic seriously on the forum. Or maybe I just didn't find it? In any case, it discourages any desire to work

Unfortunately we have all been victim of this. I think if you properly check the support forum, you will realize that I and other producers have brought this up to this forum. Unfortunately the sheer support is mostly very slow which really make it hard for us.

The site management should perhaps invest more bringing more personal to the support team, which I think will be helping most of us. As we release scenes 7 days a week, support on Saturday and Sunday is needed, even if it is very limited.

About the calculation of the projected earnings, the first day is the most important day, if your scene doesn't do well on the first day, it will be very hard to make any profit or even avoid a lost.

Oscar Batty wrote:Unfortunately we have all been victim of this. I think if you properly check the support forum, you will realize that I and other producers have brought this up to this forum. Unfortunately the sheer support is mostly very slow which really make it hard for us.

The site management should perhaps invest more bringing more personal to the support team, which I think will be helping most of us. As we release scenes 7 days a week, support on Saturday and Sunday is needed, even if it is very limited.

About the calculation of the projected earnings, the first day is the most important day, if your scene doesn't do well on the first day, it will be very hard to make any profit or even avoid a lost.

If the scene disappeared on the first day for some reason, it will definitely be unprofitable. It is important to introduce a function to restart the same scene as a new one without rebooting, which is currently impossible, since there is no such technical possibility

P.S. I wonder why Sheer management is so mean and bad to producers and does not compensate for losses in such cases?

Nick Morris wrote:P.S. I wonder why Sheer management is so mean and bad to producers and does not compensate for losses in such cases?

To be honest I have a suspicion about Sheer support (or lack of) to be favoring one formerly big studio, which to my knowledge is also financially involved in Sheer. Plan was to keep small studios small enough to not pose any serious competition. Now meanwhile all set-up has changed after Gonzo and GIO studios stopped production, but Sheer support seems not to have realized that happened.
It's just a guess, but a pretty well informed one.

dap-addict wrote:

Nick Morris wrote:P.S. I wonder why Sheer management is so mean and bad to producers and does not compensate for losses in such cases?

To be honest I have a suspicion about Sheer support (or lack of) to be favoring one formerly big studio, which to my knowledge is also financially involved in Sheer. Plan was to keep small studios small enough to not pose any serious competition. Now meanwhile all set-up has changed after Gonzo and GIO studios stopped production, but Sheer support seems not to have realized that happened.
It's just a guess, but a pretty well informed one.

Regardless, their attitude makes it clear that they don't care about content creators. Based on this, it remains to give them home videos as non-exclusive. And upload high-quality studio videos to your own website. I have already started creating my own website

Is 'support' more than one person? Anyway, good luck with this, but just as a user it's clear to see that the site seems to be plagued with issues and heading in the wrong direction. The issue with certain studios scenes disappearing a few hours after being published has been discussed on here and reported for over a year, but clearly still seems to be occurring. Now huge chunks of previously released scenes keep randomly disappearing from the libraries of users without anyone telling us, apparently because scenes have been flagged for 'review'. It would be nice if things could get back to normal, but this site has looked to be on shaky ground for a while now, so it's getting harder to have much confidence in the way things are going.

davebowman wrote:Is 'support' more than one person? Anyway, good luck with this, but just as a user it's clear to see that the site seems to be plagued with issues and heading in the wrong direction. The issue with certain studios scenes disappearing a few hours after being published has been discussed on here and reported for over a year, but clearly still seems to be occurring. Now huge chunks of previously released scenes keep randomly disappearing from the libraries of users without anyone telling us, apparently because scenes have been flagged for 'review'. It would be nice if things could get back to normal, but this site has looked to be on shaky ground for a while now, so it's getting harder to have much confidence in the way things are going.

Yes, I read about it on the forum. It's even worse for content creators - we lose thousands of dollars from one such mistake. And they happen with regular frequency. That's why I decided to write about it here

Nick Morris wrote:

dap-addict wrote::mad:

Nick Morris wrote:For my part, I did everything correctly and did not make any mistakes when releasing the video, namely: the video was uploaded well in advance (about a month before the release) and checked by the team.

I simply dont get it!
Why would they do something like that?
And it happens all the time, namely also to NTP.

Do you mean Natasha Teen Production? Unfortunately, this is a common problem. It's strange that no one raised this topic seriously on the forum. Or maybe I just didn't find it? In any case, it discourages any desire to work

hey Nick, much respect to you and your models in russia, and i'm very sorry to hear about your bad experience with sheer/pornbox (or whoever proves to be ultimately responsible for your problem)

i'm just an end-user consumer, so i really know nothing of what happens behind the scenes and (as such) can't comment with any authority beyond saying that if things have gotten to the point that major creators (from which sheer/pornbox have made a lot of money over the years) feel compelled to come to the forum to document their bad experiences of dealing with these companies (because the internal structures for settling disputes between creators and distributor is not functioning) then something clearly needs to be done sooner than later to address this.

as DAPaddict notes, this situation (as you recount it) seems to align with similar experiences other creators/studios here have faced in recent times (NatashaTeenProductions being one, and perhaps LatinTeensProduction being another).
this is the thread that refers to the situation as members have commented upon it, with regard to the frequent disappearance of content produced by the latin-american studios
Lots of scenes being remove daily, what's going on?
viewtopic.php?f=96&t=89398

it's interesting (maybe a coincidence, maybe not) that these are producers who operate outside the EU, as you do.

are the reasons your scenes being removed related to the actual scenes themselves (purely technical issues) or are they concerned with processsing of the legal paperwork and banking side of things?
it could be that sheer/pornbox are only effectively geared up to deal with EU generated content, and non-EU studios are getting a second class service as a consequence. that's purely speculation, but one direction in which the evidence points.
if so it's something that needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency, because the producers and consumers are the parties on which the very future of sheer and pornbox depends. to ignore their documented concerns would not be bad business but ultimately suicidal, because without them sheer/pornbox would have literally no business to speak of at all

even if the EU factor has nothing to do with it, your account of the situation as described from the perspective of an angry and disappointed creator/studio, already looks *really bad* for sheer/pornbox, and certainly any creator or studio head noticing this thread and reading of your experience is very likely to be put off from approaching either of those companies for distribution, which theatens to undermine the future of their model. so this issue can't be ignored for long

i hope you get some kind of satisfactory resolution to this matter Nick. everyone on the forum knows you are already really struggling against the system where you are to be be able to bring members the content you do, and i hope they respect you and your performers for continuing to try to do that. so what no one here wants to see (or shouldn't if they really understand the situation) is to see you go through that ordeal at home, only for your efforts to be undermined on the disribution front.
you deserve better treatment and i hope you can find a way to ensure you get treated more fairly in future by those parties responsible for the current state of affairs

with huge respect and solidarity to you and your team in Russia for all you do. and don't let the bastards get you down!

TYPO "to ignore their documented concerns would not *only* be bad business but ultimately suicidal"

latina-girls-yes wrote:TYPO "to ignore their documented concerns would not *only* be bad business but ultimately suicidal"

Thanks for your support. Let's wait until someone from the management notices this topic or will it simply be deleted as "inconvenient" for the site's reputation

It's also happened a number of times to EKS, in fact she was one of the first to come on the forum and let customers know that it was nothing to do with the studios, just pornbox fuckery screwing everyone over. EKS is based in Romania now I believe so doesn't look like an EU or bureaucracy issue, just an incompetence issue on the part of whoever's running the website.

this is a disgrace people are doing hard work and then are screwed over by "tehnical issues" as no one is willing to fix this.

Hey Nick, that's really disheartening to read about the mess that's been going on here for a long time affecting the content creators also. It is really frustrating. Patiently looking forward for things to improve and get back to good old days.

BTW, I just bought that scene of yours. Sofa is one of my top favorites. Keep up the great work and good luck!

maxymax wrote:Hey Nick, that's really disheartening to read about the mess that's been going on here for a long time affecting the content creators also. It is really frustrating. Patiently looking forward for things to improve and get back to good old days.

BTW, I just bought that scene of yours. Sofa is one of my top favorites. Keep up the great work and good luck!

Thank you friend for your support, we look forward to better times

I’m sorry and angry for you Nick (& other content creators)
I don’t really understand the payment model but can empathise with the lost income.
We users have also been pickpocketed to the value of $100’s or even $1000’s by PB taking our paid for content without warning or refund.

It’s disgraceful and disrespectful behaviour and will lead to the death of the site if not resolved soon!

Just wanted to say, absolutely incredible work, Nick. Showing so many how it's done - and done well.

What I'm about to say here isn't meant as a refutation to your claim - or to say that it doesn't matter - or to downplay the impact of losing that kind of money. What happened to you was terrible - but I'm just going to put some observations on the line and let whatever conclusions be drawn from it.

At first - I was absolutely bewildered by Pornbox's choice to seemingly put endless mountains of crap on the website. It just ... didn't make any sense. Here you had a handful of studios producing outrageously amazing porn (yourself being one of them), and then there are countless videos released that are ... not as high of quality ... to put it lightly. There are also videos from fifteen years ago - and from other North American distributors and studios - and ... just a whole potpourri of literally everything related to porn. But then ... it clicked.

Pornbox is essentially carpet bombing the Google based algorithm. The algorithm favors links that get the most hits, because, in loose translation, somebody clicking a link means they've found what they're searching for. So, in essence, in the gigantic sea of porn that is the Internet, Pornbox is making sure that it has something of everything and everybody. If there's a studio that's ever produced porn - it most likely has some of it's most popular scenes on Pornbox somewhere.

What this does is cast a gigantic net over everybody that's searching for porn on the Internet. You wouldn't believe the number of times I was looking for something completely unrelated to Pornbox - for it to produce not just one, but several links to Pornbox content, simply because it thought, "There's a good chance one of these links might be successful."

In essence, Pornbox is trying to become the default Internet crossroads of all things porn related. It's an undertaking that's so insanely large in scope - it's almost actually insane to try it. But ... releasing 100 videos per day, over the course of a year, is 36,500 porn videos on the site. Over the course of a decade, that's 365,000 videos. Suddenly ... that might not be so crazy anymore. As in, there's just enough of everything on the site, that it essentially becomes a black hole for all Google searches. Anybody searching for porn on Google will just automatically get dumped here, one way or another.

Searching for Bangbros? Here are all the Bangbros scenes that Pornbox has, says Google. Kind of brilliant, actually.

Because, once people get dumped here, the inquisitive nature of their brain will take over and begin checking out things unrelated to the thing they came here searching for. They might check the studios tab - or the models tab - and therein get sucked into the more Pornbox-specific content that the site itself produces.

Likewise - in this ecosystem - or any ecosystem - there will always be folks who are vying for top preference within the hierarchy. To assume the main enterprise, Pornbox itself, treats all studios equally is ... well, let's just say that it's highly unlikely. Meaning ...

There are most likely systems within the system that give preferential treatment to certain studios over others. Whether it's connections - or straight up cash bribes - there are not only going to be things that determine which release that day gets top billing on the site itself - but whether or not it releases at all. Even if that means (hint, hint) throwing a couple of good scenes under the bus - then so be it.

But - why do this? Because the point of the secondary inside-job preferential system isn't to just have a few people paying for preferential treatment - it's to have everybody paying for it, one way or another, sooner or later. Which, that act in and of itself, will make the people who were first paying for it pay even more.

Meanwhile, those who don't play the game, receive encouragement to do so. Like, waking up to find their AAA+++ scene just got released at the bottom of the pile, underneath all of the bedroom shot, shaky-handheld camera, trans or gay porn files.

Now - this is all mega assumptive. [B}I'm making assumptions here.[/B] But, from what I've seen of the business world, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest.

The question is - do you want to play that game?

It's easy enough to say no, but ultimately, do you want to just naturally have some of the best content on the site that acts as the black hole of all Internet porn, assuring that every day, there will be thousands of people dropping by that would have otherwise never checked the site out? Can you survive out there on your own? Some producers absolutely can - and I'm not inferring here that you can't. Just that - that's a big jump to make. Going from being one of the family to being out there all on your own. That's no small jump to make.

Which, again, comes back to whether or not you want to play the game, and if so, to what degree.

You make incredible stuff, Nick. I'm a huge fan. It would be a shame to see your content no longer be on the site, as it's one of the few quality studios who looks to have an unstoppable future, alongside incredible talent, and unparalleled vision. Your work has the ability to find it's way to the very top of the pile - no matter what else is released here. So, the benefits of staying here should be quite clear. The only real question is ...

Do you want to play the game?

Sweep11 wrote:We users have also been pickpocketed to the value of $100’s or even $1000’s by PB taking our paid for content without warning or refund.

It’s disgraceful and disrespectful behaviour (...)!

+ 1
It's all very disturbing for me!

dap-addict wrote:

Sweep11 wrote:We users have also been pickpocketed to the value of $100’s or even $1000’s by PB taking our paid for content without warning or refund.

It’s disgraceful and disrespectful behaviour (...)!

+ 1
It's all very disturbing for me!

Everyone is worried about this