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TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:56 pm

by dap-addict

Had a look at the 100 best selling LP scenes of 2023 and found porn producer tendencies reflected there basically.

https://pornbox.com/application/store/best-sellers/2023

The TOP100 sales list might be a personalized algorithm, no idea.

This said it looked pretty accurate to me.
Mine starts with Sakura Chan @ NRX as rank 1 seller (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/730322) goes via this Siswet g/g fisting scene as rank 10 (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/469049) and this Elina Ssand DAP as nr. 50 (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/474600) to a bit strangely this dry Little Chloe DP only as nr. 100 (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/315219).

Now in terms of best selling studios it clearly shows that cheaper studios like NTP selling DAP and single anal at almost half the GIO price have a serious advantage. But it shows also that users are prepared to pay a lot of tickets for a good multiple girls scene, especially featuring also at least US girl.

Studio sales ranks are as fellows:
1. NTP (29%)
2. NRX (15%)
AGO (14%)
GIO (13%)
5. different g/g or solo fisting studios & compilations (11%)
6. Gonzo (7%)
7. LTP (Colombia), EKS (Russia), LVP (France) (3% each)
10. VK (Russia), Mike Zander (Colombia) (1% each)

Again this is an indication why Gonzo wasnt worth keep going anymore.

Also disturbing for me is that the best selling Mambo Perv scene is only ranked 142th.

In terms of fetishes wet sells better than dry (around 40%) - and locking back at 2023 with no surprise: NHB (= no holds barred) outsells 0% pussy (just above 1/3 of scenes). This said the latter was never dominant at PB, but this time I counted only DAP/DP/DVP as true NHB and not the mere DP warm-up DAP scenes.
Also dry scenes still do sell, but they need to be much cheaper than wet. NTP specializes in dry and they sell fine, LTP specializing in wet doenst sell well for instance.
Title advertisement based analysis also shows that the forum hyped prolapse, puke and also food or milk scenes dont really sell that much.

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:13 pm

by dap-addict

A closer analysis also shows that 10-20 girls dominate the TOP100 sales.
Surprisingly neither Anna de Ville, nor Kaitlyn Katsaros or Emily Pink are amongst.
Also most of GIO/Gonzo/AGO Colombian and Brazilian imports of 2023 didnt contribute much to top selling scenes when shot in Prague.

Top selling girls are Vero Leal (almost 10%), Rebel Rhyder (8%), Sasha Page and Elina Ssand (7% each).
Best selling classical Eurobabes are the Dellai twins, but only when performing together. Also no Jolee Love scene amongst TOP100.

Because me I am porn shopping mainly sex act and performance based a closer analysis here is important to foresee what 2024 could bring.
50% of TOP100 scenes are DAP/TAP based.
25% are single anal based and that mostly in 0% pussy format, with anal intro scenes selling best.

I am actually pretty surprised that clear pussy porn backlash scenes are not really on a high rise. DVP/TVP and good old DP based scenes are a mere 17% of TOP100 sales - with DP luckily still pretty strong. Only 5% of scenes are DVP/TVP based or feature more pussy porn footage than anal footage.
With 7% TOP100 market share there is a clear rise in 2023 with fisting scenes - male fisting as well as g/g fisting.

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:44 pm

by dap-addict

Does anybody in his personlized algorithm have very differing results?
Or does draw other conclusions?

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:57 pm

by xxxVIPERxxx

Wow, I respect and applaud your attention to detail on all these things...I spend as much time as I can as an active contributor on these forums...but the lack of time (and energy) would prevent me from doing such a detailed analysis.

I salute your efforts good sir!

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:11 pm

by dap-addict

dap-addict wrote:Had a look at the 100 best selling LP scenes of 2023 and found porn producer tendencies reflected there basically.

https://pornbox.com/application/store/best-sellers/2023

The TOP100 sales list might be a personalized algorithm, no idea.
This said it looked pretty accurate to me. Actually just did a test and logged out for a re-check: TOP50 sales look the same, but 50-100 there are some changes. I'd say 75-85% are still the same TOP100 scenes, which still enables me to draw the fellowing general conclusions.

My personalized algorithm TOP100 sales list starts with Sakura Chan @ NRX as rank 1 seller (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/730322) goes via this Siswet g/g fisting scene as rank 10 (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/469049) and this Elina Ssand DAP as nr. 50 (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/474600) to a bit strangely this dry Little Chloe DP only as nr. 100 (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/315219).

Now in terms of best selling studios it clearly shows that cheaper studios like NTP selling DAP and single anal at almost half the GIO price have a serious advantage. But it shows also that users are prepared to pay a lot of tickets for a good multiple girls scene, especially featuring also at least US girl.

Studio sales ranks are as fellows:
1. NTP (29%)
2. NRX (15%)
AGO (14%)
GIO (13%)
5. different g/g or solo fisting studios & compilations (11%)
6. Gonzo (7%)
7. LTP (Colombia), EKS (Russia), LVP (France) (3% each)
10. VK (Russia), Mike Zander (Colombia) (1% each)

Again this is an indication why Gonzo wasnt worth keep going anymore.
Also disturbing for me is that the best selling Mambo Perv scene is only ranked 142th.

In terms of fetishes wet sells better than dry (around 40%) - and locking back at 2023 with no surprise: NHB (= no holds barred) outsells 0% pussy (just above 1/3 of scenes). This said the latter was never dominant at PB, but this time I counted only DAP/DP/DVP as true NHB and not the mere DP warm-up DAP scenes.
Also dry scenes still do sell, but they need to be much cheaper than wet. NTP specializes in dry and they sell fine, LTP specializing in wet doenst sell well for instance.
Title advertisement based analysis also shows that the forum hyped prolapse, puke and also food or milk scenes dont really sell that much.

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:12 pm

by dap-addict

Sorry, I just wanted to post this:
Actually just did a test and logged out for a re-check: TOP50 sales look the same, but 50-100 there are some changes. I'd say 75-85% are still the same TOP100 scenes, which still enables me to draw those general conclusions.

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:37 pm

by Buck_Meister

with his 0% pussy nonsense, black-only scenes and scenes where there is more piss than fucking, I expected GIO to go bankrupt instead of Gonzo
may be it's just a question of time
Kudos to AGO for the good performance as a newbie

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:27 pm

by xxxVIPERxxx

Hmmm...I just quickly checked...for me, the Gonzo Christmas Special scene is the bestseller of 2023.

Number 2 is a Rebel Rhyder Gonzo scene.

Number 3 is a Jureka del Mar and KK XFREAXX scene.

...

Number 10 is a Veronica Leal buttrose GIO scene.

Number 20 is a Rebel Rhyder Slammed Brides GIO scene.

GIO-related and Gonzo studio scenes make up the entirety of the top 20 bestsellers of 2023 for me...

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:32 pm

by xxxVIPERxxx

It is also worth mentioning that an American girl features, and you could argue is the headline act in every single one of the top 10 bestsellers of 2023 for my Pornbox algorithm...apart from Jureka del Mar, Veronica Leal, and Ria Sunn...of which I am not surprised by because those 3 are very big names at LPAV.

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:49 pm

by YuriyProneBone

Natasha destroys because she has all the right elements

1. DOESN'T PISS LOYAL COSTUMERS AWAY BY ASKING FOR RIDICULOUS PRICES

She has 1 hour anal gangbangs with black dicks for 5 and 6 tickets, that's REASONABLE

2. THE STUDIO IS PATIENT

Is not rushing to increase prices when is not selling, it waits and knows over time base builds up

3. HAS CREATIVITY TO FUCK HARD THEIR HOTTIES

It doesn't repeat the same formula, and you are left satisfied knowing that each video will have a creative weird position and the girls will get fucked properlly

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:13 am

by zeusanalfreak299

Thank you so much for doing such analysis!

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:28 pm

by deerenbung

Was going to say my top 100 looks totally different to the initial analysis, then realised my liked/disliked tags were reordering everything... Disabled that and now I completely agree.

Of course, just because these trends exist doesn't mean studios should go all in on what sold best. There's definitely room for multiple niches here, even if the "forum hyped" content - including, sadly, 0% pussy - aren't huge sales drivers

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:17 pm

by dap-addict

YuriyProneBone wrote:Natasha destroys because she has all the right elements
2. THE STUDIO IS PATIENT
Is not rushing to increase prices when is not selling, it waits and knows over time base builds up

NTP shooting in Medellin and locally rooted there can produce porn 2-3 cheaper than the Prague studios. Also even them they have tried to push prices a but earlier, but soon realized it was better to go down again.

Would be interesting to be able to analyze properly how much of their success is low ticket price based really. If you compare with the lacking success of LTP being just slightly more expensive but still cheap compared to GIO/GONZO/AGO I doubt its that much.

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:49 pm

by YuriyProneBone

dap-addict wrote: If you compare with the lacking success of LTP being just slightly more expensive

Exactly, that slightly more expensive kills them. I mean Natasha has stuff for 4.5 tickets all the time, and good stuff, with fit hotties getting fucked in the ass by black dicks. It's hard to beat that.

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:00 pm

by YuriyProneBone

dap-addict wrote:Or does draw other conclusions?

Another important point I forgot to make is that unlike some producers may believe, prices are not something logical when it comes to buyers.

Buyers don't buy stuff for logical reasons. They buy stuff for emotional reasons.

Porn addiction plays a role, but that's not the only thing running buyers.

Buyers also have other emotions, like feeling they are getting treated fairly for example, which is one of the strongest emotions in humans.

I mean Iran is rich in oil, but it doesn't sell it because it prefers to develop their nuclear energy instead. This costs a top quality of life for them, but they sacrifice that because they don't is fair that other countries can have nuclear energy and they don't. So even here fairness is more important than being rich with oil.

Same thing with buyers. If they feel betrayed or feel prices are no fair, most will not say anything, they will just move on.

And the same thing is the other way around, if they see prices are fair, which is arbitrary as well, and depends of prices history, they will not just buy, they will buy a lot.

It doesn't make logical sense because in theory with the same money you buy many cheap scenes you can also buy a few more expensive ones, but instead if they buy an expensive one they stop there even if they could afford more simply because it doesn't feel fair to pay more for something that seems overpriced.

I'm talking about the majority of humans, of course there are exceptions, but that's just how humans are.

So yes, cheap prices allow for emotional buying, it is not logical, is emotional, and impulsive, you are offering black dicks with hot teens and anal gang bangs for cheap, you buy because it feels fair, and you buy many because you know what you are getting for something not ridiculously priced.

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:02 pm

by YuriyProneBone

YuriyProneBone wrote:
dap-addict wrote: If you compare with the lacking success of LTP being just slightly more expensive

Exactly, that slightly more expensive kills them. I mean Natasha has stuff for 4.5 tickets all the time, and good stuff, with fit hotties getting fucked in the ass by black dicks. It's hard to beat that.

And I'm sure they have tried to lower prices, but without patience it is futile. Also all those BTS scenes may sell for prices, but is also holding them back when it confuses the main product.

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:15 pm

by dap-addict

YuriyProneBone wrote:
dap-addict wrote:Or does draw other conclusions?
Buyers also have other emotions, like feeling they are getting treated fairly for example, which is one of the strongest emotions in humans.
(...)
So yes, cheap prices allow for emotional buying, it is not logical, is emotional, and impulsive, you are offering black dicks with hot teens and anal gang bangs for cheap, you buy because it feels fair, and you buy many because you know what you are getting for something not ridiculously priced.

Thats a good point for sure, Yuri!
It sure also explains the many NTP anal intros in that TOP100 sales list. It's not only the novelty of the girls, not only the BBC 1on1, but sure also due to a pretty low price of 4,3 to 6,7 TKT if I recall right.

Now long standing LP users TKT pricing always used to be a fair re-partition of investments involved, thus single anal was always cheaper as DP and DAP was always more expensive. NTP ideally plays out those old fairness feelings and the much lower sex act frees in Colombia as compared to Prague.
That for sure also plays a part in that feeling of getting treated fair as a porn user. Me for instance it also makes more tolerant to shooting quality problems.
Me, I am actually prepared to pay double for a DAP with the same girl shot in Prague because I know its much more expensive to shoot porn in EU and I also know the girl earns an EU DAP fee, but I also want a better quality in that case.

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:04 pm

by paobroncix01

dap-addict wrote:Had a look at the 100 best selling LP scenes of 2023 and found porn producer tendencies reflected there basically.

https://pornbox.com/application/store/best-sellers/2023

The TOP100 sales list might be a personalized algorithm, no idea.
This said it looked pretty accurate to me.
Mine starts with Sakura Chan @ NRX as rank 1 seller (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/730322) goes via this Siswet g/g fisting scene as rank 10 (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/469049) and this Elina Ssand DAP as nr. 50 (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/474600) to a bit strangely this dry Little Chloe DP only as nr. 100 (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/315219).

dap-addict wrote:Only 5% of scenes are DVP/TVP based or feature more pussy porn footage than anal footage.

I did reset all filters, and put the 'like/dislike' on ignore. I get indeed Sakura Chan as rank 1, and Siswet as rank 10, but the rest seems very different.
in the top 100 best sellers I counted 26 with DVP/TVP, so it looks to me that the overview is personalized..

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:54 pm

by Christopher_Williams1

dap-addict,

"This said it looked pretty accurate to me." Kind of funny that you said that because you probably remember a recent thread I did in GIO where it may had appeared to others that I was so convinced that mine only mine was correct...lol. But yeah, I think the top half tends to be the most accurate. And, though I don't personally own any Veronica Leal scenes, if I don't see her name a lot in the top seller section, then I know my algo is playing games with me as she is clearly a fan favorite. Also, just a thought, a lot of stuff can be considered top sellers. Pornbox never said that they were in order...lol.

But it sucks to see Gonzo at 7%, because I feel like the actresses lose almost as much as the customers. They offered something in between the hardest of the hardcore (GIO) and the least hardcore (NRX). The perfect balance might be what some chicks want at times.

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:53 am

by Jocke

Sakura Chan was with a 99% rebate.

Re: TOP100 LP scene sales of 2023 analysis

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:33 am

by Giorgio Grandi

dap-addict wrote:Sorry, I just wanted to post this:
Actually just did a test and logged out for a re-check: TOP50 sales look the same, but 50-100 there are some changes. I'd say 75-85% are still the same TOP100 scenes, which still enables me to draw those general conclusions.

logout from your account ho see a top list that is not influenced from anything