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Back in the late 2000s, it was a magical time.

The internet was a thing, but hadn't really taken off yet. You could watch dvds of your favorite pornstars, and half the time call them up for some time directly if they were in your city.

The recession was going on, so rates were fairly decent, and not many people knew about the game yet so there was less competition and demand.

I was a fan of black pornstars since they were usually around 300-500 a pop, was able to see many of the original stars.

Most memorable was Chyanne Jacobs at around 300 and she was a big name, but this was back in the day.



Nowadays, most of the stars are inaccessible as they're spread out all over the world and rates are around $2k a which are just unreasonable.

There's no charm or allure to seeing a star, as its either so much effort or cost, its takes the joy out of it. Not the same as seeing a mid level pornstar in a dusty hotel because you made a few random calls earlier in the afternoon.

Porn itself has lost its charm over the last 2 decades, and I'm afraid it'll never be the same again.

I am 39 been the avid consumer for over 20 years, porn scene is just as awesome vs 10 years ago.. times have changed.

Escort that is stats, age and looks wise pretty close,I would expect to pay 500-1000 these days depending on services duration and additional priced sex acts at high end brothel and a bit more for hotel callout.

She was a big name and black girls are really a minority in the porn world.. 300 is beyond reasonable for her if that is true and what you paid

Patrick.Moran wrote:I am 39 been the avid consumer for over 20 years, porn scene is just as awesome vs 10 years ago.. times have changed.

Escort that is stats, age and looks wise pretty close,I would expect to pay 500-1000 these days depending on services duration and additional priced sex acts at high end brothel and a bit more for hotel callout.

She was a big name and black girls are really a minority in the porn world.. 300 is beyond reasonable for her if that is true and what you paid

They were all 300-600 during the 2008 years. The only one with an unreasonably high quote I remember was Ice LaFox who wanted around $2k for half an hour or something ridic. But she was a top name at the time, this was probably 2006-2007.

I don't know, some of the small petite 18 years old asses you can fuck in Latin America are pretty tight and delicious to penetrate. The problem is getting to fuck their buttholes. It is quite difficult to get them to accept anal, and it always has been that way as far as I remember. I was too young in the early 2000s to know, so who knows how it was back then.

YuriyProneBone wrote:I don't know, some of the small petite 18 years old asses you can fuck in Latin America are pretty tight and delicious to penetrate. The problem is getting to fuck their buttholes. It is quite difficult to get them to accept anal, and it always has been that way as far as I remember. I was too young in the early 2000s to know, so who knows how it was back then.

Back in the early 2000s, it was still fairly accessible to get escorts/hookers/working girls to give their ass.
If you paid enough, anal sex was on offer with fairly good looking girls...it is usually a pre-negotiated optional extra.
The least I paid for it was 30 USD, and the most I paid for it was 250 USD...it all depends on the girl, and what their feelings/emotions are like to you.
Some girls say no to anal sex. If that is the case, accept it and move on to find someone else who can provide it.

YuriyProneBone wrote:I don't know, some of the small petite 18 years old asses you can fuck in Latin America are pretty tight and delicious to penetrate. The problem is getting to fuck their buttholes. It is quite difficult to get them to accept anal, and it always has been that way as far as I remember. I was too young in the early 2000s to know, so who knows how it was back then.

Some of them says no blowjob and kissing . I could understand when they say no kiss no kiss but no blowjob !!!
How is that even possible?

find the differences

In 2005, in CZ, a model would get 650$ (at least) for an anal scene (exchange rate 1$ = 22 czk, so 650$ = 14.300czk) and the price of a flat was 1,500,000 CZK (even 1.200.000 CZK)
This mean that with 104 scenes, she could buy a decent new flat in prague (not in the center, but in a nice residential area).
She would work 20+ days/month for years.

In 2023 a model would get 900$ (in average) for an anal scene (exchange is still about 1$=22czk), so 19800czk, but for the same flat she would pay 5.000.000, so it means she needs to shoot over 250 scene.
She would also work 85% less than in 2005.

The main issue is not about us not finding the model, its about the money we can pay. We should pay 50.000czk for an anal scene (in average), so 2300$/scene and to be able to offer to top girls $5000+ for an anal scene. This means 3500$ for a DAP to an average girl and $5.000+ to top girls.
And the girl should shoot at least 10-15 scene/month for 5-6 year

So flats are cheaper now? I had no idea. I had the impression they would be more expensive now. But if they need to work 85% less to get the same flat that's a good thing for them.

In my own opinion, whether some people want it or not, capitalism is global now, and it has been for decades, so what used to be 3rd world economies, have now ways to compete or at least produce next to first world economies, and even first world economies don't seem so powerful now that these financial tools are available to the so called underdeveloped countries. By comparison, first world economies are starting to look more similar to those other economies.

This was easy to predict because capitalism produce consumerism, which can only work when there is an offer that means that demand, so in other words, capitalism forces countries to produce abundance of goods, so the problem is no longer people dying from starvation, people are dying from eating too much. This obviously has cultural consequences and even if countries have their own identities, they are not immune.

The countries with the hottest girls, undeniable natural beauties, used to have 3rd world economies. I'm talking about Bosnia, Herzegovina, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Romania, Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro, Latvia, Belarus, Lithuania, Estonia, Ukraine, Macedonia, Moldova, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Albania, etc..

Now that those economies are more solid, these girls are getting exposed to different cultural agendas, and different financial opportunities they didn't have before, which means they will reconsider things they want to do for money as a consequence.

The reality is that the poorer their circumstances the most likely they will go for prostitution to make lots of money without having to go to go to University to make that money, and that money is only a lot if you compare it in relation to similar economic circumstances where they grow up.

In other words if the economic circumstances around them are higher than they used to be, the same amount of incentive to prostitute themselves is lower, unless the offer is higher too, but because exchange is still relatively similar than in previous circumstances, then it is harder for producers or clients to meet those demands with consistency.

On the other hand if what used to be first world economies are feeling less powerful by comparison, then prostitution in those places can go up, specially if there are other social economic problems related to culture, like drugs, or lack of family values. Which means you are likely to see more prostitution coming from places that didn't have as much, which levels the field more in terms of options.

So if the economy goes down, prostitution goes up, and vice versa, which makes the pool of options more abundant, or scarce depending of which one is.

Good news is that there are always girls that regardless of their economic situation just love sex, and love the thrill of prostitution and will do it even if they come from rich families. They obviously want to get paid too just because that's fair, but they do it more because they have a calling than for the money, and they tend to be better at it because they do it with passion and are more adaptable to the obstacles of the profession than other girls less motivated to enjoy the process of getting fucked by strangers.

And dont forget only f*ns. This stupid shit and idiots who pay for it destroyed porn

YuriyProneBone wrote:So flats are cheaper now? I had no idea. I had the impression they would be more expensive now. But if they need to work 85% less to get the same flat that's a good thing for them.

Uhm, probably my english is not understandable

I try to make it easy. Porn now (intended as performing for studios), for a model, is 85% LESS convenient and interesting than 2005.

Then, if a model know how to self produce herself, she can do as well as 20 years ago and even more with less effort (she needs more tech and marketing skills), but this is valid only for models into a particular niche and / or very, but very, good looking.

YuriyProneBone wrote:So flats are cheaper now? I had no idea. I had the impression they would be more expensive now. But if they need to work 85% less to get the same flat that's a good thing for them.

I think Giorgio said flats are more expensive now, but opportunities for women to work in porn are 85% less.

Also, I think every place in the world contributes the same proportions of naturally beautiful people (and average and butt-ugly people). But we each differ in our tastes and preferences about what we find attractive.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:
Uhm, probably my english is not understandable

I try to make it easy. Porn now (intended as performing for studios), for a model, is 85% LESS convenient and interesting than 2005.

Then, if a model know how to self produce herself, she can do as well as 20 years ago and even more with less effort (she needs more tech and marketing skills), but this is valid only for models into a particular niche and / or very, but very, good looking.

I understand now, your English is actually fine, I just didn't read it properly, but it totally makes sense, and I definitely agree with the looks and marketing skills.

It is about building that brand, and top girls can easily have a niche because of that, but looks definitely help. So personal trainers, and beauty treatments are a good investment for them if there is potential.

avanfurwet wrote:
Also, I think every place in the world contributes the same proportions of naturally beautiful people (and average and butt-ugly people). But we each differ in our tastes and preferences about what we find attractive.

Nowadays you see a lot more diversity around the world, specially in big cities, so the pockets of racial ethnicity you used to have geographically before are less prominent now, but I believe they are still there, it is just that the socioeconomic circumstances have changed for many of these places.

Traditionally girls from the countries I mentioned previously were hotter at a natural state, and girls on more Western places were able to also look hotter after perfecting their makeup, fashion, and other personality traits. They can afford a dentist, a hairdresser, and dermatologist which obviously would represent an advantage.

Because of the out of shape pandemic we have nowadays, every country is having their issues, and beauty is not as common, but I do agree is there as well in pretty much every place you go, with its own local characteristics of course because for example South Korean and Japanese beauty is different than the one found in ex British colonies, and the mixing of European with Thai or other Southern Asia newer generations can make a difference as well, so it all depends.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:The main issue is not about us not finding the model, its about the money we can pay. We should pay 50.000czk for an anal scene (in average), so 2300$/scene and to be able to offer to top girls $5000+ for an anal scene. This means 3500$ for a DAP to an average girl and $5.000+ to top girls.
And the girl should shoot at least 10-15 scene/month for 5-6 year

in order to pay the models more, the customer would also have to pay more.

me, for example, would pay even more. even much more. But for that, the films would have to be something other than soulless mass-produced goods. i want to be surprised, like in real life. real emotions, real surprise. i want to experience the film.

i want what i see to be so interesting that a sociologist and psychologist could even analyze it and write a 20 page intellectual text about it

marcoB wrote:I want what i see to be so interesting that a sociologist and psychologist could even analyze it and write a 20 page intellectual text about it

The porn we have today already meat those standards, if you don't feel that way you are likely already too desensitized to recognize it for watching too much of it. I would recommend traveling more often and banging women in different countries, for sex addicts like us that has been the very thing that covers those gaps.

YuriyProneBone wrote:The porn we have today already meat those standards, if you don't feel that way you are likely already too desensitized to recognize it for watching too much of it. I would recommend traveling more often and banging women in different countries, for sex addicts like us that has been the very thing that covers those gaps.

VERY wrong. VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY wrong.

most amateur videos i find more interesting than the LP action with five dicks in each hole.

and why? i'll give you an example: the other day i saw an amateur video of someone seducing a shy woman (hidden camera). maybe it was fake, but that's not the point. what did i see? when he put his hand into the woman's intimate area, she flinched briefly. "what is he doing?" she asked herself. and so on.

the example is not convincing? well, another example that certainly more people understand: i would find it 100x more interesting if i could watch how the pretty 20 year old neighbor i see every day has vanilla sex with her boyfriend - than when 10 dicks soon go into one pussy on lp. becasuse this girl i see every day and talk to often touches me much more emotional. makes me crazy curious how her pretty pussy would look like.

another example?
there is also a website where a producer gets drunk with the actresses and afterwards they have sex. even if it's just vanilla sex, i also find it 100x more interesting than LP. because the alcohol brings some uncertainties. no rigid script.

i am not interested in extremes, instead i want to see real people with real emotions. the secret is: WITHOUT SCRIPT. i want REAL sex to happen like in REAL life. i want seduction, i want surprise. if THAT happens - then it can be even vanilla sex.

i mean, even in real life, good thrilling sex is not about having as much stuff in one whole as possible, right? where did anyone ever say that? when men have good sex or seduce women they say things like "she was so shy and i got her around and then all of a sudden 'wooooah'. still waters run deep!"

ironically, what i'm asking for is a taboo in the job:
the constant talk that "the job is very different from private life". the emphasis on "there are few real emotions here", "it's all acting" and the proud emphasis by all involved that every action is strictly scripted! ALL THAT IS boring and dull!!

the truth is:
the porn industry is an uptight bureaucratic monster! every scene is posed, real emotions are taboo, everything is a script and any individuality is frowned upon!

the porn scene is even asexual in my eyes:
sticking stuff without real extatic emotions into orifices has little to do with sex. isn't that also done during a colonoscopy?

if you don't bileave me, watch this interview with well known LP actor "damien soup":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_D7nYvmUfc

he is not gay but he makes gay porn. he gives himself injections in the dick before he is doing the scene. and then he describes with all the sadness the bleakness of the industry in which everything is sad fake!! but well, what he says about the straight scenes is not much more flattering and just as sad.

sad fakes - do you have to wonder why customers skimp?

Totally disagree, I can’t watch amateur stuff

Giorgio Grandi wrote:find the differences

In 2005, in CZ, a model would get 650$ (at least) for an anal scene (exchange rate 1$ = 22 czk, so 650$ = 14.300czk) and the price of a flat was 1,500,000 CZK (even 1.200.000 CZK)
This mean that with 104 scenes, she could buy a decent new flat in prague (not in the center, but in a nice residential area).
She would work 20+ days/month for years.

In 2023 a model would get 900$ (in average) for an anal scene (exchange is still about 1$=22czk), so 19800czk, but for the same flat she would pay 5.000.000, so it means she needs to shoot over 250 scene.
She would also work 85% less than in 2005.

The main issue is not about us not finding the model, its about the money we can pay. We should pay 50.000czk for an anal scene (in average), so 2300$/scene and to be able to offer to top girls $5000+ for an anal scene. This means 3500$ for a DAP to an average girl and $5.000+ to top girls.
And the girl should shoot at least 10-15 scene/month for 5-6 year

So if a girl is hard working she can make some serious money if her body is maintained properly and can perform regularly.

$900 a scene X 12 scenes a month x 12 months = $129,600
So if they last 4-5 before their looks fade or body wears out, its $518,400 - $648,000
and thats without DAP, drinking pee, etc which makes more money

FitFilthyPervert wrote:$900 a scene X 12 scenes a month x 12 months = $129,600
So if they last 4-5 before their looks fade or body wears out, its $518,400 - $648,000
and thats without DAP, drinking pee, etc which makes more money

you are right, but don't forget:
we are talking about emancipated modern women here. while a male road builder is expected to do hard work every day until he breaks his bones and spend the rest of his life in some hut with a pitiful pension - the modern woman needs at least 10000€ to shake her booty once.

marcoB wrote:
you are right, but don't forget:
we are talking about emancipated modern women here. while a male road builder is expected to do hard work every day until he breaks his bones and spend the rest of his life in some hut with a pitiful pension - the modern woman needs at least 10000€ to shake her booty once.

Biologically speaking there is nothing wrong with that. Men are wired to reach fulfillment through work. That's not the case with women. Instead, women are wired to find fulfillment by becoming mothers, but that's just biology, at a social-somatic level people can be rewired otherwise.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:She would also work 85% less than in 2005.

The main issue is not about us not finding the model, it's about the money we can pay. We should pay 50.000czk for an anal scene (in average), so 2300$/scene (...). This means 3500$ for a DAP to an average girl and $5.000+ to top girls.
And the girl should shoot at least 10-15 scene/month for 5-6 year

And the girl should shoot at least 10-15 scene/month for 5-6 year to buy the same size flat you mean, yes?
And you say basically fees should be almost 3x higher - which would also mean that users pay almost 20TKT for a 1on1 anal scene. And this example shows why it's not possible anymore to run porn on the same level of beauty as in 2005. Interesting, indeed!

Btw, why is DAP payed only 50% more than single anal?

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