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When you look at the best and the most popular porn-scenes, then the sex-action there looks very much like hard work, rather than fun.

Because the lady takes on not just one guy, but two or three, or more. And then she ends up quickly multi-tasking between them to suck every guy's cock. It's like, she can barely keep up with these guys. And sometimes two guys end up inside her mouth at the same time.

So, the lady isn't just relaxing and having fun. She is working about as hard as she can.

And then you get some porn-titles that suggest work. "No Rest for Her Ass" is one title I remember.

Not every scene has a title like that. But when you look at the action in the best scenes, then that's what it basically amounts to: "No Rest for Her Ass".

Because several guys take turns inside the lady's ass. And there is no relaxing or standing around for these guys. They all need to look busy all the time, just like at work. So, guys go to the lady's mouth and hands to have her suck and stroke them, when they aren't in her ass. Or they double-up on her ass for the DAP.

It's like, there is hardly any idle moment either for the lady or for the guys. They all look busy all the time. And guys always look for something else to do with the lady, when they let another guy have their turn inside the lady's ass.

And it's not just the action from moment to moment that looks like hard work. It's also the fact that for a scene to be popular, it needs to last for a good 30-40 minutes.

Truly hard work is when people work hard for a long time, long enough to get tired. And that's what most popular scenes look like. The lady and the guys don't just work hard with each other. They work hard with each other for a long time. It's like the guys need to tire out the lady and get tired themselves. Or else, this isn't a good porn-scene.

So, everything in a good porn-scene looks like hard work, rather than fun. The lady needs to get so much work, that she can barely keep up. And the guys must never stand idle with her. They also need to work hard, and always find something useful to do, if they end up idle for some reason. And their hard work needs to last for a long time too, so that they are all tired in the end.

But then a lot of people talk about sex as fun and as a way to relax. So, where is this contradiction coming from? Why does porn-sex need to look like hard work, rather than fun?

The fact that best porn-sex looks like hard work isn't an accident or a coincidence. Hard work seems to be the main attraction of porn-action. The lady needs to work hard with the guys. And the guys need to work hard with her. And if they relax too much and take it easy, then their sex-action isn't so fun to watch anymore.

It's work, work, and more hard work for the lady and for the guys. There is no time to relax. They need to be busy all the time. And only the viewer is having fun watching them all work so hard.

It's like porn-sex isn't supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be hard work, especially for the lady. "No rest for her ass," seems to be the motto in the most popular porn-scenes. The lady needs to be tired in the end. Or else it's not a good porn-scene.

So, why does porn-sex need to look like hard work, rather than fun? Isn't sex supposed to be fun?

101mike101 wrote:But then a lot of people talk about sex as fun and as a way to relax.

Great sex and great porn should absolutely be fun/enjoyable but, for me at least, certainly not what I'd describe as relaxing. Unless you're referring to being relaxed afterwards? I do absolutely want to see scenes where the woman is getting turned on an enjoying sex.

For context to one of your comments, No Rest For The Ass is actually an older studio rather than a single scene:

https://pornbox.com/application/studio/34

These scenes are all free with a membership here.

101mike101 wrote:When you look at the best and the most popular porn-scenes, then the sex-action there looks very much like hard work, rather than fun.

But then a lot of people talk about sex as fun and as a way to relax. So, where is this contradiction coming from? Why does porn-sex need to look like hard work, rather than fun?
It's like porn-sex isn't supposed to be fun.
So, why does porn-sex need to look like hard work, rather than fun? Isn't sex supposed to be fun?

I fully agree

unfortunately, I think you're talking about a past era....

now, we just got a smile from the girl at the beginning of the scene and then it is non stop hard work, boy & girl...

some (soft) studios like FTVgirls are still providing this fun atmosphere: up skirt, nude in public, big toy tries always are always fun embedded but it sounds like gang bang is a serious deal

I miss so much Lecastel and particularly before Assman, when he was "teaching" anal sex to french amateur (l'école de Laetitia) or german series like König der arschficker.

in "l'école de Laetitia", he was doing a role game, because of his big dick, "Professeur Lecastel" with innocent schoolgirls a little bit scared about the anal treatement they will get
in "Der König" (right image), Lecastel was always smiling when talking to the girls, while talking in german: erste mal anal, ach, das ist gut!

Ultra-Gape wrote: I do absolutely want to see scenes where the woman is getting turned on an enjoying sex.

I forgot to say, yes relaxing is not what we want to see, Lecastel could mix fun and serious anal gap

poldijk wrote:I miss so much Lecastel and particularly before Assman, when he was "teaching" anal sex to french amateur (l'école de Laetitia) or german series like König der arschficker.

+ 1

Yessssss!
More about JYL special approach and what AVLP could learn from it later.

Ultra-Gape wrote:

101mike101 wrote:But then a lot of people talk about sex as fun and as a way to relax.

Great sex and great porn should absolutely be fun/enjoyable but, for me at least, certainly not what I'd describe as relaxing. Unless you're referring to being relaxed afterwards? I do absolutely want to see scenes where the woman is getting turned on an enjoying sex.

For context to one of your comments, No Rest For The Ass is actually an older studio rather than a single scene:

https://pornbox.com/application/studio/34

These scenes are all free with a membership here.

I didn't mean my question as criticism of the action in porn-scenes. Current porn-scenes are the way they are, because that's what porn-fans want to see. Porn-fans vote with their money. And porn-producers make what people pay for.

I accept that best porn is where the hot lady is outnumbered, she gets totally nailed, and her sex is hard enough and long enough to tire her out. But the question is, why does it have to be this way?

I don't fully understand why. But I think this kind of enjoyment for porn-fans might be comparable to the way sports-fans enjoy a hockey game or something like that. Because in a hockey game, fans enjoy the most when the players work really hard and accomplish something difficult.

A hockey game is not enjoyable, if one team outmatches the other and they win 10 to 0. Because it's too easy for the winning team. And it looks like the loosing team isn't working hard either. They just give up.

But if the hockey game is long and hard. They are so evenly matched that they go into overtime. And one team wins by one goal scored in some spectacular way. Then this game is really, really enjoyable for the fans. They talk about it for days afterwards.

Perhaps porn is enjoyable for the viewers this way too.

It's not very enjoyable for the fans, if the lady starts gaping right away and easily taking all the dicks between her cheeks. This is too easy for her and for the guys. And it doesn't look like the guys are accomplishing much with the lady. Because she makes it easy for them. This is like the winning team scoring 10 goals, because the other team makes it easy for them. This kind of thing isn't enjoyable for the fans.

But it is enjoyable for the fans, when the lady is so new and inexperienced that she has some difficulty with taking anal dicks between her cheeks. She struggles with it at first. And it's not easy for her guys either. They only go half-way inside her ass and not too fast either. But then as the scene progresses, guys keep pushing the lady's limits to go a little bit deeper and a little bit faster with her, than last time. And towards the end of the scene, these guys are going all the way inside her nice ass and banging her hard and fast too. She gapes in the end like a pro.

These guys truly and fully debauched her nice ass like real ass-masters, despite all the odds being against them.

This is a very satisfying scene for the fans. Because there was nothing easy for the guys about taking their lady's nice ass. They had to work at it with her like real ass-masters and not amateurs. And they truly and fully debauched their lady's nice ass in the end, against the odds and despite all the problems they've encountered. For the fans, this is like winning a hockey game by one goal in overtime.

Perhaps this is why DAP and TAP is popular among porn-fans. Experienced porn-ladies easily take dicks between their cheeks in a 1 on 1 with a guy. But two guys going for a DAP with the same lady isn't so easy either for her or for the guys. These guys need to be real ass-masters between the cheeks of a lady. And when these guys achieve their DAP, then this is a real accomplishment for them with the lady. It's not something to scoff at.

If this understanding it true, then DAP or TAP isn't really necessary to make it enjoyable for porn-fans. You can achieve the same effect by having a lady who seemingly isn't fully ready for her anal with the guys. She struggles with them, and they struggle with her. But they persist. And slowly but surely these guys start going deeper, then faster inside their lady's nice ass. And they truly and fully debauch their lady's nice ass in the end.

I think it works like this, because people don't value that which they easily get. But when people work long and hard to achieve their goal, then they are really happy with their success in the end. When people win a lottery, then they often waste and spend the money away. But somebody, who worked long and hard to get his money, doesn't throw it away.

Perhaps the problem with porn-scenes, that aren't hot, is that the lady is too easy for the guys. It's like scoring 10 goals in a hockey game, without much effort or work. But if the lady makes it difficult for the guys to debauch her nice ass. Then these guys need to be real ass-masters to achieve full penetration with her, do her nice ass hard-and-fast, and get her to gape well in the end. Such a scene is hot for the fans to watch, even though it's just anal, because it wasn't easy for the guys. And they had to be good at it to debauch their pretty lady truly and fully. It's an achievement for them. And it's enjoyable for the fans too.

101mike101 wrote:I accept that best porn is where the hot lady is outnumbered,

For my personal tastes, I don't accept this. For me the absolute best scenes are intense 1 on 1 scenes, where a single guy is (at least apparently!) capable of utterly satisfying a woman sexually. I've never had any desire to want to share a woman with other men in real life, so for me the best porn is where I can fantasise I'm the single guy in the scene.

To give an example, when watching Angel Dark's scene with Manuel Ferrara from Evil Anal 12 at absolutely no point did I think what the scene needed was more guys!

I do of course watch loads of scenes with multiple guys but for me the best bits are almost always still when a single guy is fucking the/each woman at any one time.

I'm confident I'm firmly in the minority here with my preferences but just making the point I don't think there's the universal agreement your second post seems to be suggesting.

Same here, either single guy many girls or 2 guys 2 girls where they shift around.
I also prefer a lower tempo where we get to see more than glimpses.
I am a fan of Mike Adriano. He takes the time to indulge in the women and we get plenty of time to suck in the curves, the gapes and the smiles. They also often have teasing dialogue. Sex is much better when you communicate.

101mike101 wrote:The fact that best porn-sex looks like hard work isn't an accident or a coincidence. Hard work seems to be the main attraction of porn-action. The lady needs to work hard with the guys. And the guys need to work hard with her. And if they relax too much and take it easy, then their sex-action isn't so fun to watch anymore.

It's work, work, and more hard work for the lady and for the guys. There is no time to relax. They need to be busy all the time. And only the viewer is having fun watching them all work so hard.

Intersting observation!
Maybe it goes deeper to our general view of work?
Like viewer wants to feel he's having his free time when watching porn, too.
Other aspect for sure is that a porn set is actually work for the ppl enacting sex for us viewer, its usually not much more, if there is fun, its rather bts than on set. Its also connected with porn getting more perfect compared to 30-50y ago.

Ultra-Gape wrote:I've never had any desire to want to share a woman with other men in real life, so for me the best porn is where I can fantasise I'm the single guy in the scene.

wow, you're reading in my mind ultra-gape

Ultra-Gape wrote:

101mike101 wrote:I accept that best porn is where the hot lady is outnumbered,

For my personal tastes, I don't accept this. For me the absolute best scenes are intense 1 on 1 scenes, where a single guy is (at least apparently!) capable of utterly satisfying a woman sexually. I've never had any desire to want to share a woman with other men in real life, so for me the best porn is where I can fantasise I'm the single guy in the scene.

To give an example, when watching Angel Dark's scene with Manuel Ferrara from Evil Anal 12 at absolutely no point did I think what the scene needed was more guys!

I do of course watch loads of scenes with multiple guys but for me the best bits are almost always still when a single guy is fucking the/each woman at any one time.

I'm confident I'm firmly in the minority here with my preferences but just making the point I don't think there's the universal agreement your second post seems to be suggesting.

The advantage of doing a hot lady with another guy is that you aren't under pressure to perform with her all the time. You can take breaks and take it easy with her at your own leisure, while she is busy with the other guy. So, you can extend your pleasure with her and make it last for a long time.

But if you are the only guy with the lady, then any time you stop, she might ask why? And in such a case, it can be hard to last for long with her, especially if she is too hot for you. The most effective way to last for a long time with a hot lady is to take a break, when you come close to orgasm with her. And if you don't feel comfortable doing that, then you won't last long with her. Being with another guy makes it easy to take breaks, when you need to. But when you are by yourself, then you might ruin the lady's mood by taking a break at a wrong time for her.

I think most people, including myself, have never tried to team up with another guy to do the same lady together at the same time. So, they don't really know if they will like this or not. You can say this for sure, only if you actually try it. And you would need to try it more than once. Because not every guy would be a good partner to do it with. And not every lady would do well in such a situation either. You need a good sample to be sure that it wasn't some fluke that made it especially good or especially bad for you.

Also when I watch porn, then I'm acutely aware that it's the other guy who is banging the lady and not me. It's hard for me to ignore this reality. So, I accept it. And I don't even try to fantasize that I'm doing the lady, when it's actually some other guy who is doing her.

And in this kind of a situation, where you have a realistic view of what's going on, the lady being 1 on 1 with another guys makes her look unavailable for me. It looks like a monogamous relationship, where the lady is already taken, and I don't belong there. A 1 on 1 scene alienates me from the lady. Because she looks like she belongs to some other guy, and I don't belong with her.

But when the lady is with two guys or more, then she clearly doesn't belong to either one of them, and the guys don't possess her. So, it's up to her to decide if I can also join the ride. I don't need to argue with some guy and fight with him for the lady, the way it would likely happen, when the lady is with one guy.

Perhaps it's a cultural bias. But when one lady is only with one guy, then it looks like the guy possesses the lady, and you have to fight with him for her. But when the lady is with two guys or more, then she is her own woman, and you only need her agreement. You don't need to fight with other guys for her.

That's why I prefer to see the lady with two guys or more in porn scenes. With one guy, the lady looks unavailable for me and hard to fantasize about. But with two guys or more, she looks available and easy to fantasize about.

101mike101 wrote:I think most people, including myself, have never tried to team up with another guy to do the same lady together at the same time. So, they don't really know if they will like this or not. You can say this for sure, only if you actually try it.

If you want to talk real life then on this point I can say for certain I wouldn't want to do this without trying it. Watching a woman I love have sex with another man is not something I would be remotely happy with! This is just a personal thing and not any sort of judgement on those with more open relationships.

As for some of your other comments I'd suggest you work on your imagination .

Anyway, note that my only point was that not everyone feels the same as your sweeping statement suggested, not to try to change anyone else's mind. Different people enjoy different things.

Ultra-Gape wrote:

101mike101 wrote:I think most people, including myself, have never tried to team up with another guy to do the same lady together at the same time. So, they don't really know if they will like this or not. You can say this for sure, only if you actually try it.

If you want to talk real life then on this point I can say for certain I wouldn't want to do this without trying it. Watching a woman I love have sex with another man is not something I would be remotely happy with! This is just a personal thing and not any sort of judgement on those with more open relationships.

As for some of your other comments I'd suggest you work on your imagination .

Anyway, note that my only point was that not everyone feels the same as your sweeping statement suggested, not to try to change anyone else's mind. Different people enjoy different things.

Popularity isn't the same as unanimity.

When I say that certain kinds of porn is popular, then this statement can be checked out. And it is the truth.

And if you happen to be a minority who doesn't like what's popular. Then you just need to accept it and live with it.

dap-addict wrote:

101mike101 wrote:The fact that best porn-sex looks like hard work isn't an accident or a coincidence. Hard work seems to be the main attraction of porn-action. The lady needs to work hard with the guys. And the guys need to work hard with her. And if they relax too much and take it easy, then their sex-action isn't so fun to watch anymore.

It's work, work, and more hard work for the lady and for the guys. There is no time to relax. They need to be busy all the time. And only the viewer is having fun watching them all work so hard.

Intersting observation!
Maybe it goes deeper to our general view of work?
Like viewer wants to feel he's having his free time when watching porn, too.
Other aspect for sure is that a porn set is actually work for the ppl enacting sex for us viewer, its usually not much more, if there is fun, its rather bts than on set. Its also connected with porn getting more perfect compared to 30-50y ago.

I think there is more to it, than just having a contrast between relaxing yourself and watching someone else work hard.

Because people don't enjoy watching mindless work, that doesn't seem to accomplish much. The most enjoyable work to watch is when the work is both hard and it achieves something worthwhile.

You can see this in sports. The most enjoyable moments are when some player works hard and he scores a goal in some difficult circumstances. If he works hard, but he doesn't score a goal, then the viewer is disappointed. Such a moment is not enjoyable, even though there is hard work.

In porn, the goal is for the lady to get her guys up and going, and for the guys to debauch her truly and fully. It's not enough for the viewer, if all of them work hard at it, but they fall short of their goals. The most enjoyable scene is where they all work hard at it, and their efforts are so effective, that the hot lady is truly and fully debauched in the end.

I think the reason why work needs to be both hard and effective is because that's the kind of work viewers sympathize with the most. When you see work that's both difficult and effective, then it teaches you something worthwhile. It shows you how to do it. And viewers in this situation naturally imagine themselves also doing it. Because that's how people learn through observation of others.

Difficult sex-acts that are well done increase viewer involvement and their enjoyment too. But it doesn't work like that, when people try hard without much success. And it doesn't work like that, when the work is so easy that anybody can do it well. Because only the first shows you something you can learn from, but not the other two.

101mike101 wrote:Popularity isn't the same as unanimity.

Absolutely but if you check back you'll see I responded to a very specific and absolute statement of yours.