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PAFstudio has on multiple occasions brought up a toxic business model where some studios rather than focusing on their own product, seeks to gain the advantage by blocking popular models from working for competing studios through bullying and threats of blacklisting. PAFstudio advocates a more cooperative business model for the various studios where models can be shared and their schedules coordinated in order to allow better scenes for all studios to be produced.

I very much share PAFstudio's vision and I agree that more cooperation would almost certainly be beneficial for everyone in the long run. I can imagine several advantages from better cooperation between studios in both Prague and Russia and hopefully in the future, even between Prague AND Russia:

1. Model sharing - Popular models can work for any studio they so choose without fear of blacklisting. Being able hire a popular model would be a significant investment for a studio that they would probably prepare such scenes carefully, which would hopefully result in better production values.
2. Longer careers - Many models quit far too soon, especially in Russia. If models were free to work for multiple studios without fear of repercussions, I can only imagine many more models would choose to stay longer in the business. More scenes with my favorite models is probably the best way to make me spend more on the platform.
3. Coordination and planning - Many studios shoot scenes with multiple male performers, which means that access to good studs can in itself become a bottleneck in some cases. More cooperation would lead to easier planning and hopefully better scenes.
4. Studios distinguish themselves through style instead of exclusives - When models are free to work for any studio, studios can focus on their strengths rather than try to copy what sells best. A particular model may shoot many different styles of scenes if studios are allowed to target their favored niche with the model of their choice.
5. More diverse and better quality scenes - I can only speak for myself, but I have no issue with paying for quality. If I run out of tickets because I've been purchasing too many high quality scenes, then that's definitely something that would entice me to buy extra tickets, and thus spend more money on the platform as a whole.

Feel free to expand on other advantages I might have missed or explain why you think more cooperation would NOT be beneficial.

It sounds all good, but I think it can work only if all studios taking part do their own talent scouting and present their own girls to share. If it would involve some studios doing all the scouting and making them available to all studios it could hardly be fair. If on the other hand Pornbox would do a centralized scouting we too had a porn plan economy, which rings really bad in Czech ears!

DPraved wrote:PAFstudio has on multiple occasions brought up a toxic business model where some studios rather than focusing on their own product, seeks to gain the advantage by blocking popular models from working for competing studios through bullying and threats of blacklisting. PAFstudio advocates a more cooperative business model for the various studios where models can be shared and their schedules coordinated in order to allow better scenes for all studios to be produced.

I very much share PAFstudio's vision and I agree that more cooperation would almost certainly be beneficial for everyone in the long run. I can imagine several advantages from better cooperation between studios in both Prague and Russia and hopefully in the future, even between Prague AND Russia:

1. Model sharing - Popular models can work for any studio they so choose without fear of blacklisting. Being able hire a popular model would be a significant investment for a studio that they would probably prepare such scenes carefully, which would hopefully result in better production values.
2. Longer careers - Many models quit far too soon, especially in Russia. If models were free to work for multiple studios without fear of repercussions, I can only imagine many more models would choose to stay longer in the business. More scenes with my favorite models is probably the best way to make me spend more on the platform.
3. Coordination and planning - Many studios shoot scenes with multiple male performers, which means that access to good studs can in itself become a bottleneck in some cases. More cooperation would lead to easier planning and hopefully better scenes.
4. Studios distinguish themselves through style instead of exclusives - When models are free to work for any studio, studios can focus on their strengths rather than try to copy what sells best. A particular model may shoot many different styles of scenes if studios are allowed to target their favored niche with the model of their choice.
5. More diverse and better quality scenes - I can only speak for myself, but I have no issue with paying for quality. If I run out of tickets because I've been purchasing too many high quality scenes, then that's definitely something that would entice me to buy extra tickets, and thus spend more money on the platform as a whole.

Feel free to expand on other advantages I might have missed or explain why you think more cooperation would NOT be beneficial.

Great I'm really happy that someone thought and reasoned about what I wrote, you explained even better than me top...They must understand that the real competition is the other platforms and we must join forces so as not to lose the fans and increase the production quality of this industry and above all we will all give more prestige to PB...thank you for this Explanation

I am sorry to say but I am not at all surprised that still no study has come here to write something or to give an extra opinion, unfortunately many have become convinced that too many roosters in the hen house are not good and there must be only one in the world ... For this reason I hope that this thing will be imposed obligatory by xxx for all content creators on PB and those who do not respect the collaboration and the alliance must suffer some punishments because we have to stai unit for support him and PB...is easy to do and also good for everyone

DPraved wrote:[*]Studios distinguish themselves through style instead of exclusives - When models are free to work for any studio, studios can focus on their strengths rather than try to copy what sells best. A particular model may shoot many different styles of scenes if studios are allowed to target their favored niche with the model of their choice.

Thats certainly a good point.
But again in your OP you dont touch the recruitment and scouting problem. Its a time consuming process actually and I still get the impression some studios invest much more into finding rookies and some like rather to take rookies and other girls peer studios have found. This way it wont work because some studios might just feel exploited by way socialist politics.

dap-addict wrote:

DPraved wrote:[*]Studios distinguish themselves through style instead of exclusives - When models are free to work for any studio, studios can focus on their strengths rather than try to copy what sells best. A particular model may shoot many different styles of scenes if studios are allowed to target their favored niche with the model of their choice.

Thats certainly a good point.
But again in your OP you dont touch the recruitment and scouting problem. Its a time consuming process actually and I still get the impression some studios invest much more into finding rookies and some like rather to take rookies and other girls peer studios have found. This way it wont work because some studios might just feel exploited by way socialist politics.

Since you are working for the same person it is the same place actually any personal spite they are doing at xxx and it will risk damaging the image of this site... You can also grant a percentage to those who find new people... But They have to share everyone and if there are personal problems you take them out of the production...we are unit... If someone want stay alone have to open a private website But from the moment we all work for the same person you have to support the business and respect all studios and performers

DPraved wrote:PAFstudio has on multiple occasions brought up a toxic business model where some studios rather than focusing on their own product, seeks to gain the advantage by blocking popular models from working for competing studios through bullying and threats of blacklisting. PAFstudio advocates a more cooperative business model for the various studios where models can be shared and their schedules coordinated in order to allow better scenes for all studios to be produced.

I very much share PAFstudio's vision and I agree that more cooperation would almost certainly be beneficial for everyone in the long run. I can imagine several advantages from better cooperation between studios in both Prague and Russia and hopefully in the future, even between Prague AND Russia:

1. Model sharing - Popular models can work for any studio they so choose without fear of blacklisting. Being able hire a popular model would be a significant investment for a studio that they would probably prepare such scenes carefully, which would hopefully result in better production values.
2. Longer careers - Many models quit far too soon, especially in Russia. If models were free to work for multiple studios without fear of repercussions, I can only imagine many more models would choose to stay longer in the business. More scenes with my favorite models is probably the best way to make me spend more on the platform.
3. Coordination and planning - Many studios shoot scenes with multiple male performers, which means that access to good studs can in itself become a bottleneck in some cases. More cooperation would lead to easier planning and hopefully better scenes.
4. Studios distinguish themselves through style instead of exclusives - When models are free to work for any studio, studios can focus on their strengths rather than try to copy what sells best. A particular model may shoot many different styles of scenes if studios are allowed to target their favored niche with the model of their choice.
5. More diverse and better quality scenes - I can only speak for myself, but I have no issue with paying for quality. If I run out of tickets because I've been purchasing too many high quality scenes, then that's definitely something that would entice me to buy extra tickets, and thus spend more money on the platform as a whole.

Feel free to expand on other advantages I might have missed or explain why you think more cooperation would NOT be beneficial.

This is really interesting and it would be fantastic ... the real crisis in porn is this, the crap of blackmail and favoritism ... guys I have known for years who runs Paf studio, but I only heard about it in his neighborhood, when he was 18 years he fought against the municipality together with his relatives to remove unjust unemployment and they fought for justice and for 3 years he headed a large cooperative giving work to several people and fathers of families ... then he sold the activity because there was the period of the world crisis, he has always defended and fought injustices he started doing porn because he was tired of all the filth and delinquency that is on the street and has realized his dream, and now he is looking for to revolutionize this wrong system that ruins the reputation of porn ... my friend you are a great person that's why you have so many enemies ... but we told you in Naples when you came on vacation, whatever you need you a we will help you are not alone and do not give up

Totonno wrote:

DPraved wrote:PAFstudio has on multiple occasions brought up a toxic business model where some studios rather than focusing on their own product, seeks to gain the advantage by blocking popular models from working for competing studios through bullying and threats of blacklisting. PAFstudio advocates a more cooperative business model for the various studios where models can be shared and their schedules coordinated in order to allow better scenes for all studios to be produced.

I very much share PAFstudio's vision and I agree that more cooperation would almost certainly be beneficial for everyone in the long run. I can imagine several advantages from better cooperation between studios in both Prague and Russia and hopefully in the future, even between Prague AND Russia:

1. Model sharing - Popular models can work for any studio they so choose without fear of blacklisting. Being able hire a popular model would be a significant investment for a studio that they would probably prepare such scenes carefully, which would hopefully result in better production values.
2. Longer careers - Many models quit far too soon, especially in Russia. If models were free to work for multiple studios without fear of repercussions, I can only imagine many more models would choose to stay longer in the business. More scenes with my favorite models is probably the best way to make me spend more on the platform.
3. Coordination and planning - Many studios shoot scenes with multiple male performers, which means that access to good studs can in itself become a bottleneck in some cases. More cooperation would lead to easier planning and hopefully better scenes.
4. Studios distinguish themselves through style instead of exclusives - When models are free to work for any studio, studios can focus on their strengths rather than try to copy what sells best. A particular model may shoot many different styles of scenes if studios are allowed to target their favored niche with the model of their choice.
5. More diverse and better quality scenes - I can only speak for myself, but I have no issue with paying for quality. If I run out of tickets because I've been purchasing too many high quality scenes, then that's definitely something that would entice me to buy extra tickets, and thus spend more money on the platform as a whole.

Feel free to expand on other advantages I might have missed or explain why you think more cooperation would NOT be beneficial.

This is really interesting and it would be fantastic ... the real crisis in porn is this, the crap of blackmail and favoritism ... guys I have known for years who runs Paf studio, but I only heard about it in his neighborhood, when he was 18 years he fought against the municipality together with his relatives to remove unjust unemployment and they fought for justice and for 3 years he headed a large cooperative giving work to several people and fathers of families ... then he sold the activity because there was the period of the world crisis, he has always defended and fought injustices he started doing porn because he was tired of all the filth and delinquency that is on the street and has realized his dream, and now he is looking for to revolutionize this wrong system that ruins the reputation of porn ... my friend you are a great person that's why you have so many enemies ... but we told you in Naples when you came on vacation, whatever you need you a we will help you are not alone and do not give up

Thank you very much dear your words fill us with joy, only those who have lived through poverty and have been on the street know what suffering is and the need to have a job ... many actors and actresses also have families and debts with this system no one would be left without work and there would no longer be blackmail dictated by greed and ignorance ... you are from Naples and you know how much crap there is, but no one is spiteful and they all have rules because otherwise wars happen And if you don't put strict rules and an alliance will happen a mess... people when you remove everything and give him oppression can react in different ways, he goes into depression and becomes a homeless man, finds another job or arms himself and fights with violence with the motto "nothing for me a fuck to you too" And this is precisely what I want to hope will not happen, many actors have come to beg for work because some studios do not give they work because they had worked for other studios...i can say who are the bastards but is not good for you fans this informations, the only things is MAKE THIS FUCKING COLLABORATION AND STOP THIS STUPID MENTALITY... We are like family not enemy, you spoken about the Russian war "is shit, no good, is bad for the economy" and you do the same on this industry... Camon is the same problem for this the fans don't have good tiket and more actress and actor don't have job and for this we don't gain well...change this stupid sistem please is to much in my opinion

Totonno wrote:...guys I have known for years who runs Paf studio, but I only heard about it in his neighborhood, when he was 18 years he fought against the municipality together with his relatives to remove unjust unemployment and they fought for justice and for 3 years he headed a large cooperative giving work to several people and fathers of families ... then he sold the activity because there was the period of the world crisis, he has always defended and fought injustices he started doing porn because he was tired of all the filth and delinquency that is on the street and has realized his dream

That's an interesting side story, actually!
Do you know this 1st hand from Jack, Totonno? Or is there an Italian media a.o. link you could post about this? - I think its always interesting to read how ppl attire their porn biz dream.

PAFstudio wrote:

dap-addict wrote:

DPraved wrote:[*]Studios distinguish themselves through style instead of exclusives - When models are free to work for any studio, studios can focus on their strengths rather than try to copy what sells best. A particular model may shoot many different styles of scenes if studios are allowed to target their favored niche with the model of their choice.

Thats certainly a good point.
But again in your OP you dont touch the recruitment and scouting problem. Its a time consuming process actually and I still get the impression some studios invest much more into finding rookies and some like rather to take rookies and other girls peer studios have found. This way it wont work because some studios might just feel exploited by way socialist politics.

Since you are working for the same person it is the same place actually any personal spite they are doing at xxx and it will risk damaging the image of this site... You can also grant a percentage to those who find new people... But They have to share everyone and if there are personal problems you take them out of the production...we are unit... If someone want stay alone have to open a private website But from the moment we all work for the same person you have to support the business and respect all studios and performers

Yeah, this really isn't a problem that can't be solved. If a particular studio is the one to scout a new girl, they would of course be expected to shoot a breaking in series with her, like NRX does in Russia. After that, the model could be registered in a talent pool with a percentage reserved as a scouting bonus from the profit of scenes shot for other studios participating in the program. If the model is popular, she will be able to work as often as she wants and the scouting studio will get money for their initial efforts. I don't really see what's not to like about such an arrangement?

DPraved wrote:Yeah, this really isn't a problem that can't be solved. If a particular studio is the one to scout a new girl, they would of course be expected to shoot a breaking in series with her, like NRX does in Russia. After that, the model could be registered in a talent pool with a percentage reserved as a scouting bonus from the profit of scenes shot for other studios participating in the program. If the model is popular, she will be able to work as often as she wants and the scouting studio will get money for their initial efforts. I don't really see what's not to like about such an arrangement?

Thats an interesting solution, indeed!
I's say I see already signs that it used to work like this when there were still much less studios, but with scouting studio shooting a set of breaking series first, like 3-10 scenes, and than sharing the girl.

I think it's too easy for producers to fall into a mindset where the aim is to have the largest piece of the pie as possible, and even resorting to extreme measure to make sure they get it, rather than working towards making the whole pie larger. I think xxx understands this and that this was his intention with opening up the platform for all the independent studios lately. I think the idea is right for the platform as a whole, but the execution has been poor with a bad user experience as a result.

I can only speak for myself, but I assume many would agree with me, that I'm very much prepared to spend more money to get more, while I'm not keen on spending more for less. Raising prices and limiting models to your own production will only make the pie smaller. Letting models shine for complementary studios on the other hand, will undoubtedly lead to more scenes I would be willing to spend money on and thus increase the size of the pie for everyone.

Yeah, this really isn't a problem that can't be solved. If a particular studio is the one to scout a new girl, they would of course be expected to shoot a breaking in series with her, like NRX does in Russia. After that, the model could be registered in a talent pool with a percentage reserved as a scouting bonus from the profit of scenes shot for other studios participating in the program. If the model is popular, she will be able to work as often as she wants and the scouting studio will get money for their initial efforts. I don't really see what's not to like about such an arrangement?[/quote]
Exactly, we must also reward studies that introduce new actresses and it is also right that they receive an award and that they give actresses the opportunity not to tire her presence with the same image but to appear in different styles, this would encourage studies more to find new talents...The crisis in porn there is not guys has only changed the market system, if there was the crisis there would not even be this site, all these scenes would not be published and there would be no buyers like you, the real ruin of porn is this wrong system, why in normal jobs there are laws? Because it happens before This problem...no one defend the people on this industry and few people have to much work and other nothing for this mentality, and if some Performer want defend himself totally sure loose all jobs and can say goodbye my career...it was also good make world collaboration and invite also American Russian etcc girls and actors...we have to push for release this great opportunity and collaboration, not war guys This sector gives many joys let's save it and above all save the image of PB this is important for us

dap-addict wrote:

Totonno wrote:...guys I have known for years who runs Paf studio, but I only heard about it in his neighborhood, when he was 18 years he fought against the municipality together with his relatives to remove unjust unemployment and they fought for justice and for 3 years he headed a large cooperative giving work to several people and fathers of families ... then he sold the activity because there was the period of the world crisis, he has always defended and fought injustices he started doing porn because he was tired of all the filth and delinquency that is on the street and has realized his dream

That's an interesting side story, actually!
Do you know this 1st hand from Jack, Totonno? Or is there an Italian media a.o. link you could post about this? - I think its always interesting to read how ppl attire their porn biz dream.

Hi dear if you look for Jack23 on Google and YouTube you will find many things about him think that the first video casting with Sara Bell he made with his old production he did it before going to Giorgio ... he is also a martial arts master 3 times national champion of qwuan ki do, gold medal in the regional boxing and black belt 1st Dan in Karate, the company was called DDB MULTISERVICE and had it founded together with his relatives after long protests to defend people's rights unemployed and give the opportunity even to people who are not recommended and especially to help people who have come out of prison to reintegrate into a working society to prevent them from committing delinquency in the streets, in Milan, Bergamo and Naples many know him and it is surprising how much they love him he is always humble and responds to all his fans, he grew up in poverty for this reason he always fights to defend the weakest, when he went down to Naples he came to see me in my office and he explained many things to me and above all he left me speechless when he also explained the meaning of his tattoos to me, porn has opened his mind to a new lifestyle and he hopes to be able to revolutionize this system that damages the image of porn ... I have offered for a year to help him follow his private email and I buy all the scenes where he is present and I'm really sorry to know about all these injustices he is suffering, but despite everything he gives up and is still fighting today, unfortunately if you have noticed he is the only one who is trying to offer advantages to everyone he does not want to exist only him but he wants to fight for peace, unfortunately he has received only 0 work and envy, and now that he produces he still has more problems, it sucks for this reason I do not buy the scenes of others wrapped up if he is not inside ... no studios have proposed collaboration, most think only of themselves and hope that other studios disappear ... I 44 years old and I deal with marketing, I have never seen anything like it, and believe me in Naples it is full of mafia and yet no one creates spite or problems they all have rules and even the shops collaborate to help each other, and they all bring home their daily bread ... Take example McDonald's compare it to PB, it has many shops in this case PB has studios, you will never see any shop fighting another shop that works for the McDonald's boss and if a shop needs an employee from another location the worker has an obligation to go and abide by the rules, then obviously there is the shop that earns the most and the same earnings can be obtained by the studios that will produce more scenes, the rules and the laws are for this, if one does not respect the others he is also disrespecting the boss because if the other studios exist is because it is good for business and has so many more videos with vast different quality
top!!!

I'm a big fan of Jack23 and I follow him on his social media. In addition to being handsome, he seems to be a very professional face. I admire your initiative to open your own studio. What was it like for you to get seed funding to get started? I'm from Brazil and I'm also thinking about opening a studio. Can we talk or answer my humble question? Hope I don't bother you, thanks!

Junior_oliveira_JuniorOlvr wrote:I'm a big fan of Jack23 and I follow him on his social media. In addition to being handsome, he seems to be a very professional face. I admire your initiative to open your own studio. What was it like for you to get seed funding to get started? I'm from Brazil and I'm also thinking about opening a studio. Can we talk or answer my humble question? Hope I don't bother you, thanks!

Hi buddy thank you so much, We started with the money we had aside, we had started to have problems finding work for envy, racism and sabotage and then we asked if we could open this studio we did an experiment and it was well paid, immediately after we continued to invest and then we attracted the problems here as producers too and tell me if this is not oppression lol
We fought in every way even today and in the end we were forced to have someone to help us, and we have a very powerful entrepreneur who believes in this study and is experimenting with the system before investing a lot of money because he wants to understand exactly how the evaluation works is to find smart strategy, But now he has realized that there are too many stupid problems that are bad for business, and in addition to not having graphs There are obstacles and you have to create a chain to collaborate with everyone and he would also be willing to finance many scenes...all true and demonstrable not bullshit wen I say something is because I can prove

PAFstudio wrote:in the end we were forced to have someone to help us, and we have a very powerful entrepreneur who believes in this study and is experimenting with the system before investing a lot of money because he wants to understand exactly how the evaluation works is to find smart strategy, But now he has realized that there are too many stupid problems that are bad for business, and in addition to not having graphs

Why no graphs?
So you dont know actually how each of your scene performs on Pornbox?
You have no such data who pays directly with cash and who pays with tickets? How many users buy your scene on day1, day2, day2 after release etc.?
I am no distributor specialist but I would think such data should be provided because its extremely important to make better product.

dap-addict wrote:

PAFstudio wrote:in the end we were forced to have someone to help us, and we have a very powerful entrepreneur who believes in this study and is experimenting with the system before investing a lot of money because he wants to understand exactly how the evaluation works is to find smart strategy, But now he has realized that there are too many stupid problems that are bad for business, and in addition to not having graphs

Why no graphs?
So you dont know actually how each of your scene performs on Pornbox?
You have no such data who pays directly with cash and who pays with tickets? How many users buy your scene on day1, day2, day2 after release etc.?
I am no distributor specialist but I would think such data should be provided because its extremely important to make better product.

Giorgio wrote a little about this here.

IDK whether studios much care who pays with cash or tickets. That's a problem for PB. I think studios just want to know the total sales.

From what Giorgio wrote, I guess maybe studios can inquire on a webpage/dashboard which just shows accumulated and/or projected sales revenue per scene at the time of inquiry.

So you'd have to divide revenue by price of scene to derive (approximate) number of copies sold or predicted to be sold.

To derive sales per day or week you'd have to pull off the data multiple times and calculate the difference each time to estimate how many more copies were sold since last time.

As Giorgio said, you can analyse it yourself in an excel sheet, or hire someone to write a program to do it. But I guess many smaller content producers don't choose to do all this work if all they care about is total $$$ they are receiving.

On the other hand, Giorgio did the stats work, and I guess this helped him to refine his content offers and build up his business.

dap-addict wrote:

PAFstudio wrote:in the end we were forced to have someone to help us, and we have a very powerful entrepreneur who believes in this study and is experimenting with the system before investing a lot of money because he wants to understand exactly how the evaluation works is to find smart strategy, But now he has realized that there are too many stupid problems that are bad for business, and in addition to not having graphs

Why no graphs?
So you dont know actually how each of your scene performs on Pornbox?
You have no such data who pays directly with cash and who pays with tickets? How many users buy your scene on day1, day2, day2 after release etc.?
I am no distributor specialist but I would think such data should be provided because its extremely important to make better product.

No I don't know anything if you write me in private I'll explain better etcc so you understand that I'm not telling lies ... I'm not crazy to say certain things if I can't prove... my conclusions of a poor valuation without a chart can be, most people buy in dollars and not with tikets, but if I don't have a chart I can't know and I can't even actually know how many people are who bought, if the algorithm calculated such a low value of three years, I do not want to accuse anyone for the evaluation because I have no evidence but it is also true that one begins to become paranoid and thinks that there is someone who handles the evaluations and maybe the head of PB does not even know, I hope, and in my opinion even someone from the studios knows the longest of all and does the fake innocent, I understand that I can be disliked by someone but there must be a limit to everything and the thing that also makes me laugh is that many bastards who blackmail models do not have the courage to say anything and do nothing, have you realized that no one has come to deny what I say? It is too easy to blackmail the Performers knowing that if they react they lose their job and only have to suffer, pull out the courage now on purpose to plot on how to do even more suck, I am reasonable dear But someone is right to show me something otherwise I like studio I will continue to make mistakes and I might think that in reality it is someone who tries to impose the mistake on me, maybe there are too many studios and it is a tactic to close someone, but I repeat if everyone had work actors and actresses they would never think about producing because they do not have time, and especially if you are not able to produce find someone experienced or let it go because you create horrible products ... send me your email or contact me in some way in private so you understand I will continue to make mistakes and I might think that in reality it is someone who tries to impose the mistake on me, maybe there are too many studios and it is a tactic to close someone, but I repeat if everyone had work actors and actresses they would never think about producing because they do not have time, and especially if you are not able to produce find someone experienced or let it go because you create horrible products ... send me your email or contact me in some way in private so you understand why I will continue to make mistakes and I might think that in reality it is someone who tries to impose the mistake on me, maybe there are too many studios and it is a tactic to close someone, but I repeat if everyone had work actors and actresses they would never think about producing because they do not have time, and especially if you are not able to produce find someone experienced or let it go because you create horrible products ... send me your email or contact me in some way in private so you understand why I'm angryI will continue to make mistakes and I might think that in reality it is someone who tries to impose the mistake on me, maybe there are too many studios and it is a tactic to close someone, but I repeat if everyone had work actors and actresses they would never think about producing because they do not have time, and especially if you are not able to produce find someone experienced or let it go because you create horrible products ... send me your email or contact me in some way in private so you understand why I'm angry... And please if I raise the prices do not write me insults "the price is to muchI was interested but then I saw the price and I let it go" is really bad for us read this because I don't know if only for you is a problem or if the your message can make problems, thank you

avanfurwet wrote:

dap-addict wrote:

PAFstudio wrote:in the end we were forced to have someone to help us, and we have a very powerful entrepreneur who believes in this study and is experimenting with the system before investing a lot of money because he wants to understand exactly how the evaluation works is to find smart strategy, But now he has realized that there are too many stupid problems that are bad for business, and in addition to not having graphs

Why no graphs?
So you dont know actually how each of your scene performs on Pornbox?
You have no such data who pays directly with cash and who pays with tickets? How many users buy your scene on day1, day2, day2 after release etc.?
I am no distributor specialist but I would think such data should be provided because its extremely important to make better product.

Giorgio wrote a little about this here.

IDK whether studios much care who pays with cash or tickets. That's a problem for PB. I think studios just want to know the total sales.

From what Giorgio wrote, I guess maybe studios can inquire on a webpage/dashboard which just shows accumulated and/or projected sales revenue per scene at the time of inquiry.

So you'd have to divide revenue by price of scene to derive (approximate) number of copies sold or predicted to be sold.

To derive sales per day or week you'd have to pull off the data multiple times and calculate the difference each time to estimate how many more copies were sold since last time.

As Giorgio said, you can analyse it yourself in an excel sheet, or hire someone to write a program to do it. But I guess many smaller content producers don't choose to do all this work if all they care about is total $$$ they are receiving.

On the other hand, Giorgio did the stats work, and I guess this helped him to refine his content offers and build up his business.

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avanfurwet wrote:

dap-addict wrote:

PAFstudio wrote:in the end we were forced to have someone to help us, and we have a very powerful entrepreneur who believes in this study and is experimenting with the system before investing a lot of money because he wants to understand exactly how the evaluation works is to find smart strategy, But now he has realized that there are too many stupid problems that are bad for business, and in addition to not having graphs

Why no graphs?
So you dont know actually how each of your scene performs on Pornbox?
You have no such data who pays directly with cash and who pays with tickets? How many users buy your scene on day1, day2, day2 after release etc.?
I am no distributor specialist but I would think such data should be provided because its extremely important to make better product.

Giorgio wrote a little about this here.

IDK whether studios much care who pays with cash or tickets. That's a problem for PB. I think studios just want to know the total sales.

From what Giorgio wrote, I guess maybe studios can inquire on a webpage/dashboard which just shows accumulated and/or projected sales revenue per scene at the time of inquiry.

So you'd have to divide revenue by price of scene to derive (approximate) number of copies sold or predicted to be sold.

To derive sales per day or week you'd have to pull off the data multiple times and calculate the difference each time to estimate how many more copies were sold since last time.

As Giorgio said, you can analyse it yourself in an excel sheet, or hire someone to write a program to do it. But I guess many smaller content producers don't choose to do all this work if all they care about is total $$$ they are receiving.

On the other hand, Giorgio did the stats work, and I guess this helped him to refine his content offers and build up his business.

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I don't want to criticize anyone, but I don't believe in a single word, if he can make statistics it's because he doesn't use sheer.com And then from how he speaks in my opinion he also knows a lot because he speaks in the plural and coincidentally his study is put among those suggested, and I must not think that there is something that does not fit? How can you do calculations if you can't see and know? You can assume and the most obvious thing is to use the top sellers... but in reality you have not identified anything you do not know if the prices are right... And you don't even know if the 3-year evaluation is right, and I repeat a larger study has a lot of expenses than one small have to use more top sellers, But if there is no way to have them because others keep them under blackmail it is a matter that risks becoming ugly

PAFstudio wrote:

Junior_oliveira_JuniorOlvr wrote:I'm a big fan of Jack23 and I follow him on his social media. In addition to being handsome, he seems to be a very professional face. I admire your initiative to open your own studio. What was it like for you to get seed funding to get started? I'm from Brazil and I'm also thinking about opening a studio. Can we talk or answer my humble question? Hope I don't bother you, thanks!

Hi buddy thank you so much, We started with the money we had aside, we had started to have problems finding work for envy, racism and sabotage and then we asked if we could open this studio we did an experiment and it was well paid, immediately after we continued to invest and then we attracted the problems here as producers too and tell me if this is not oppression lol
We fought in every way even today and in the end we were forced to have someone to help us, and we have a very powerful entrepreneur who believes in this study and is experimenting with the system before investing a lot of money because he wants to understand exactly how the evaluation works is to find smart strategy, But now he has realized that there are too many stupid problems that are bad for business, and in addition to not having graphs There are obstacles and you have to create a chain to collaborate with everyone and he would also be willing to finance many scenes...all true and demonstrable not bullshit wen I say something is because I can prove

Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I'm sorry for all these obstacles your studio faces, you guys seem to have great growth potential for the quality of your videos. Don't you think about starting your own website? Is it difficult in Italy to find new female talent like Russian producers do? I think about starting a small studio here in Brazil where there are cheap girls on offer, but I don't know how much I need to start without an investor. What is the average monthly expenses and how much profit can I get in this environment? Thank you!

Junior_oliveira_JuniorOlvr wrote:

PAFstudio wrote:

Junior_oliveira_JuniorOlvr wrote:I'm a big fan of Jack23 and I follow him on his social media. In addition to being handsome, he seems to be a very professional face. I admire your initiative to open your own studio. What was it like for you to get seed funding to get started? I'm from Brazil and I'm also thinking about opening a studio. Can we talk or answer my humble question? Hope I don't bother you, thanks!

Hi buddy thank you so much, We started with the money we had aside, we had started to have problems finding work for envy, racism and sabotage and then we asked if we could open this studio we did an experiment and it was well paid, immediately after we continued to invest and then we attracted the problems here as producers too and tell me if this is not oppression lol
We fought in every way even today and in the end we were forced to have someone to help us, and we have a very powerful entrepreneur who believes in this study and is experimenting with the system before investing a lot of money because he wants to understand exactly how the evaluation works is to find smart strategy, But now he has realized that there are too many stupid problems that are bad for business, and in addition to not having graphs There are obstacles and you have to create a chain to collaborate with everyone and he would also be willing to finance many scenes...all true and demonstrable not bullshit wen I say something is because I can prove

Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I'm sorry for all these obstacles your studio faces, you guys seem to have great growth potential for the quality of your videos. Don't you think about starting your own website? Is it difficult in Italy to find new female talent like Russian producers do? I think about starting a small studio here in Brazil where there are cheap girls on offer, but I don't know how much I need to start without an investor. What is the average monthly expenses and how much profit can I get in this environment? Thank you!

A secondary site you could have it as a second option to grow but you need someone who pays immediately well who buys your video in full, you could try to make a deal with the models make the scene you publish it and after 15 days with the money you earn you pay people I do it even I only the boy girls instead I give it the same day, but I don't know what to recommend I'm honest you have to try and see how you evaluate it

Very important topic! Hopefully it will get the full attention, also from xxx. Would be great if he would bring all to one table and define clear rules.

zeusanalfreak299 wrote:Very important topic! Hopefully it will get the full attention, also from xxx. Would be great if he would bring all to one table and define clear rules.

It would be great believe me and even for him it would be less stress and problems ... there is so much competition that already speaks ill of avlp studios let them see instead that we are like a family and increase profits and good products ... You have no idea of the scenes we would have in mind with some tops...and you see the our quality and style, in my opinion when somebody can't make good things start to sabotage and finde ugly solution for win and blackmail the top sellers because is scared and don't have real Qualification for do real good videos

dap-addict wrote:

DPraved wrote:Yeah, this really isn't a problem that can't be solved. If a particular studio is the one to scout a new girl, they would of course be expected to shoot a breaking in series with her, like NRX does in Russia. After that, the model could be registered in a talent pool with a percentage reserved as a scouting bonus from the profit of scenes shot for other studios participating in the program. If the model is popular, she will be able to work as often as she wants and the scouting studio will get money for their initial efforts. I don't really see what's not to like about such an arrangement?

Thats an interesting solution, indeed!
I's say I see already signs that it used to work like this when there were still much less studios, but with scouting studio shooting a set of breaking series first, like 3-10 scenes, and than sharing the girl.

Everybody has problems with scouting, and on top its a very time consuming process. So this part of the biz fans dont see usually, can't be rewarded high enough. Because the other way round if we would have some few studios making all the scouting and dos other studios live on that like parasites that would be something like porn socialism. LOL!
But yep, there must be ways to solve it!
In Russia btw studios are highly competitive and what we see there is that all studios do a lot of their own scouting. Very good! Bad however is that almost all girls seem to be exclusive.

dap-addict wrote:

dap-addict wrote:

DPraved wrote:Yeah, this really isn't a problem that can't be solved. If a particular studio is the one to scout a new girl, they would of course be expected to shoot a breaking in series with her, like NRX does in Russia. After that, the model could be registered in a talent pool with a percentage reserved as a scouting bonus from the profit of scenes shot for other studios participating in the program. If the model is popular, she will be able to work as often as she wants and the scouting studio will get money for their initial efforts. I don't really see what's not to like about such an arrangement?

Thats an interesting solution, indeed!
I's say I see already signs that it used to work like this when there were still much less studios, but with scouting studio shooting a set of breaking series first, like 3-10 scenes, and than sharing the girl.

Everybody has problems with scouting, and on top its a very time consuming process. So this part of the biz fans dont see usually, can't be rewarded high enough. Because the other way round if we would have some few studios making all the scouting and dos other studios live on that like parasites that would be something like porn socialism. LOL!
But yep, there must be ways to solve it!
In Russia btw studios are highly competitive and what we see there is that all studios do a lot of their own scouting. Very good! Bad however is that almost all girls seem to be exclusive.

But I've already found the solution... Who finds new people will take percentages, and do that for a year you who finde everytime actress, next year you don't finde nothing and the other studios finde more new talent and their don't want give you nothing and also Don accepts % for you have sense? After long time like this some fight is totally sure, and you don't know how much can grow up the problem...better collaboration belive me

I don't know, since I've failed to understand the complaints being made by pafstudio across multiple threads, and nobody seems to answer our questions except to repeat the same litany of vague allegations couched in dramatic language. Maybe they are victims of some great injustice. I have no idea.

Possibly the complaints here are aimed at one large studio in Cz which openly advertises exclusivity deals for models in exchange for promising quite a large number of scenes per year. Presumably models can choose freely for themselves whether to work with that studio on their terms, or not.

The studio in question says they will generally allow their contracted models to do certain work for other studios, if arranged through them. So they claim to function like a model agency. It does seem like an effective way for a large player to seek to control access to at least some of the models in the market.

The studio would need to carry the cost and risk of fulfilling their commitment to provide work to models, otherwise gossip would spread and their "exclusive" models could very quickly become non-exclusive.

I don't know whether such deals generally are a good thing or a bad thing. There can be arguments both ways, depending on how it works in practice.

Clearly the Russian studios selling on PB try to keep their new models exclusive and other studios wanting to compete need to scout their own models. I don't know whether studios in Russia ever collaborate over more experienced models. Some models do seem to go on to work with other studios.

Overall, an exclusivity deal is hardly the "wild west", or "sabotage", or "blackmail". So maybe the complaints are about something else completely?

avanfurwet wrote:Overall, an exclusivity deal is hardly the "wild west", or "sabotage", or "blackmail". So maybe the complaints are about something else completely?

Maybe. I still dont understand the hint about that girl from Brasil, which I ID-ed I think. I dont need to know which studio blackmailed her, but I see she worked for almost all AVLP studios while she was in Prague. So who was blackmailed and how?
Maybe PAF wanted to shoot more scenes with her and in the end they could shoot only 1 scene? Thats not nice, but than I would have to know who payed her flight from Brasil to Prague, because the studio who payed it should logically have better access to her. Another thing is if studios share travel costs ofc.

dap-addict wrote:

avanfurwet wrote:Overall, an exclusivity deal is hardly the "wild west", or "sabotage", or "blackmail". So maybe the complaints are about something else completely?

Maybe. I still dont understand the hint about that girl from Brasil, which I ID-ed I think. I dont need to know which studio blackmailed her, but I see she worked for almost all AVLP studios while she was in Prague. So who was blackmailed and how?
Maybe PAF wanted to shoot more scenes with her and in the end they could shoot only 1 scene? Thats not nice, but than I would have to know who payed her flight from Brasil to Prague, because the studio who payed it should logically have better access to her. Another thing is if studios share travel costs ofc.

V.V.

avanfurwet wrote:I don't know, since I've failed to understand the complaints being made by pafstudio across multiple threads, and nobody seems to answer our questions except to repeat the same litany of vague allegations couched in dramatic language. Maybe they are victims of some great injustice. I have no idea.

Possibly the complaints here are aimed at one large studio in Cz which openly advertises exclusivity deals for models in exchange for promising quite a large number of scenes per year. Presumably models can choose freely for themselves whether to work with that studio on their terms, or not.

The studio in question says they will generally allow their contracted models to do certain work for other studios, if arranged through them. So they claim to function like a model agency. It does seem like an effective way for a large player to seek to control access to at least some of the models in the market.

The studio would need to carry the cost and risk of fulfilling their commitment to provide work to models, otherwise gossip would spread and their "exclusive" models could very quickly become non-exclusive.

I don't know whether such deals generally are a good thing or a bad thing. There can be arguments both ways, depending on how it works in practice.

Clearly the Russian studios selling on PB try to keep their new models exclusive and other studios wanting to compete need to scout their own models. I don't know whether studios in Russia ever collaborate over more experienced models. Some models do seem to go on to work with other studios.

Overall, an exclusivity deal is hardly the "wild west", or "sabotage", or "blackmail". So maybe the complaints are about something else completely?

There are no contracts, but it's all wasted effort guys believe me... there will be answers this is guaranteed, indeed perhaps it is we who have not understood anything, sorry but it is all effort and wasted hope, our intent is not to punish anyone but instead to make people reflect on how many advantages you could have with collaboration, but the message even if you do not read is evident, unfortunately if only two or 3 accept the collaboration and others do not become a problem to be managed ... it's fine There are no contracts, but it's all wasted effort guys believe me... there will be answers this is guaranteed, indeed perhaps it is we who have not understood anything, sorry but it is all effort and wasted hope, our intent is not to punish anyone but instead to make people reflect on how many advantages you could have with collaboration, but the message even if you do not read is evident, unfortunately if only two or 3 accept the collaboration and others do not become a problem to be managed ... it's fine coThere are no contracts, but it's all wasted effort guys believe me... there will be answers this is guaranteed, indeed perhaps it is we who have not understood anything, sorry but it is all effort and wasted hope, our intent is not to punish anyone but instead to make people reflect on how many advantages you could have with collaboration, but the message even if you do not read is evident, unfortunately if only two or 3 accept the collaboration and others do not become a problem to be managed ... it's fine cThere are no contracts, but it's all wasted effort guys believe me... there will be answers this is guaranteed, indeed perhaps it is we who have not understood anything, sorry but it is all effort and wasted hope, our intent is not to punish anyone but instead to make people reflect on how many advantages you could have with collaboration, but the message even if you do not read is evident, unfortunately if only two or 3 accept the collaboration and others do not become a problem to be managed ... it's fine no problem Thank you for your interest

avanfurwet wrote:I don't know, since I've failed to understand the complaints being made by pafstudio across multiple threads, and nobody seems to answer our questions except to repeat the same litany of vague allegations couched in dramatic language. Maybe they are victims of some great injustice. I have no idea.

Possibly the complaints here are aimed at one large studio in Cz which openly advertises exclusivity deals for models in exchange for promising quite a large number of scenes per year. Presumably models can choose freely for themselves whether to work with that studio on their terms, or not.

The studio in question says they will generally allow their contracted models to do certain work for other studios, if arranged through them. So they claim to function like a model agency. It does seem like an effective way for a large player to seek to control access to at least some of the models in the market.

The studio would need to carry the cost and risk of fulfilling their commitment to provide work to models, otherwise gossip would spread and their "exclusive" models could very quickly become non-exclusive.

I don't know whether such deals generally are a good thing or a bad thing. There can be arguments both ways, depending on how it works in practice.

Clearly the Russian studios selling on PB try to keep their new models exclusive and other studios wanting to compete need to scout their own models. I don't know whether studios in Russia ever collaborate over more experienced models. Some models do seem to go on to work with other studios.

Overall, an exclusivity deal is hardly the "wild west", or "sabotage", or "blackmail". So maybe the complaints are about something else completely?

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cThere are no contracts, but it's all wasted effort guys believe me... there will be answers this is guaranteed, indeed perhaps it is we who have not understood anything, sorry but it is all effort and wasted hope, our intent is not to punish anyone but instead to make people reflect on how many advantages you could have with collaboration, but the message even if you do not read is evident, unfortunately if only two or 3 accept the collaboration and others do not become a problem to be managed ... it's fine no problem Thank you for your interest

dap-addict wrote:

avanfurwet wrote:Overall, an exclusivity deal is hardly the "wild west", or "sabotage", or "blackmail". So maybe the complaints are about something else completely?

Maybe. I still dont understand the hint about that girl from Brasil, which I ID-ed I think. I dont need to know which studio blackmailed her, but I see she worked for almost all AVLP studios while she was in Prague. So who was blackmailed and how?
Maybe PAF wanted to shoot more scenes with her and in the end they could shoot only 1 scene? Thats not nice, but than I would have to know who payed her flight from Brasil to Prague, because the studio who payed it should logically have better access to her. Another thing is if studios share travel costs ofc.

Too much useless information, if you reason you understand what happened... but it doesn't matter believe me, that's fine it's all ok

dap-addict wrote:

avanfurwet wrote:Overall, an exclusivity deal is hardly the "wild west", or "sabotage", or "blackmail". So maybe the complaints are about something else completely?

Maybe. I still dont understand the hint about that girl from Brasil, which I ID-ed I think. I dont need to know which studio blackmailed her, but I see she worked for almost all AVLP studios while she was in Prague. So who was blackmailed and how?
Maybe PAF wanted to shoot more scenes with her and in the end they could shoot only 1 scene? Thats not nice, but than I would have to know who payed her flight from Brasil to Prague, because the studio who payed it should logically have better access to her. Another thing is if studios share travel costs ofc.

Nobody actually paid for her flights to Europe. She came to Europe by herself then decided to do some scenes in Prague ...

Oscar Batty wrote:Nobody actually paid for her flights to Europe. She came to Europe by herself then decided to do some scenes in Prague ...

So even less I understand the problem. She did 3 scenes for GIO, 2 scenes for N&F, 1 for JohnPrice and 1 scene for PAF. I dont know why only 1 scenes for those 2 studios, but maybe they just didnt book her more often. She did 4 DAPs and 2 anals and 1 DP. I guess she made some good money, but while she was here I'd hope for more. Why only so many I dont know, maybe she was too short time or no booking windows open or bad organization. I just dont see the 3 cancelled shots PAF hints at, least it was 3 cancelled PAF shots, but than they would say I guess.
Anyway, the girl is adventurous to just fly in and do it all herself. And that flight ticket she sure got played in again.

dap-addict wrote:

Oscar Batty wrote:Nobody actually paid for her flights to Europe. She came to Europe by herself then decided to do some scenes in Prague ...

So even less I understand the problem. She did 3 scenes for GIO, 2 scenes for N&F, 1 for JohnPrice and 1 scene for PAF. I dont know why only 1 scenes for those 2 studios, but maybe they just didnt book her more often. She did 4 DAPs and 2 anals and 1 DP. I guess she made some good money, but while she was here I'd hope for more. Why only so many I dont know, maybe she was too short time or no booking windows open or bad organization. I just dont see the 3 cancelled shots PAF hints at, least it was 3 cancelled PAF shots, but than they would say I guess.
Anyway, the girl is adventurous to just fly in and do it all herself. And that flight ticket she sure got played in again.

I love you really haha top, How can you see the 3 deleted scenes if he never made them??? She had returned to Prague for a second tour and one of these studios cancelled 3 scenes for her, She does not live in Europe does not enjoy throwing money to come from Brazil, she was free had no contracts and no one had paid him anything had come to "the adventure" This studio He didn't even try to write to me to organize us etc. The girl unfortunately did not know that many here reason to fucking dog and he made the surprise to her, I contacted him, for months this character tries to make it difficult for everyone to work but when this girl cried I understood the money she lost I got angry because it is because of those like him that it is difficult to find actresses and to give more work to people, I hope you understand now please let me happy haha

Ok, now I understand. I didnt know she flew twice from Brasil to Prague.

dap-addict wrote:Ok, now I understand. I didnt know she flew twice from Brasil to Prague.

Now do you understand why we got angry? Put yourself in the girl's shoes, you come from a distant country because you need money, maybe your family is poor and you give them salvation with the money you earn travel to Europe because you know that they pay better some productions and then you are happy you have found a beautiful solution to feel good and suddenly it arrives this stupid and cancel all your scenes...His reason is the envy that he worked for another = no money for her, no new scenes for you fans...but are all words spited on the sky, you can't understand and also can't try to explain if him don't want understand...