Would the Top Pornstars of the 2000's Era Do Extreme Porn?

[paulyshoresituation]

So as many of you know, I am a huge fan of european pornstars and particularly the retired ones from over a decade plus especially around the mid to late 2000s.


My favorite pornstars are Suzie Diamond, Lucy Lee and Anna Lacey. Still to this day, those are my top favorite pornstars of all time. Lucy and Anna could be flipped two or three but Suzie would always be number one.



I seen many new pornstars come out through the years but i still always go back to watching these older pornstars who retired about a decade plus ago. To me, there are very few girls in porn that come anywhere to as attractive as the ones i mentioned. The only pornstars the last few years that I find very attractive are Vinna Reed and Freya Dee. Vinna Reed to me a few years ago was probably the best looking current pornstar. She did lot of genres of porn like your typical czech pornstar. Then I was literally shocked when she did premiumbukkake. I literally thought she was one of the current pornstars where no way she would ever do it... then she did it. Then when i found about Freya Dee... who i had no clue who she was... she appeared in premiumbukkake and my first thought was... wow she is damn good looking and looks a bit like Suzie Diamond... and she is also Slovakian. But difference with her is she is really damn skinny.



Now I know back over a decade plus, many of those Private Girls like Suzie, Lucy Lee, Angel Dark, Lucia Theodorova, Carla Cox did a lot of porn genres.. But many of these porn were like professional porn to speak. I know there were also many american porn series like american bukkake and gokkun where many of the girls who did it... were American. I know there was also that extreme German Goo Girl series which contacted lot of european girls though i didn't find the girls who did GGG to be that attractive. Some were but most weren't. But then the last decade, you got girls like Ani Black Fox who did GGG and also Rebecca Volpetti... who i find very hot for Ani... and cute for Rebecca. Also there are sites like czechgangbangs which came out the last decade which i found very hot where some of the girls who were in it and the guys were amateur.



I know over a decade plus ago, they had a series called 50 guy creampie... and i could not believe tera joy and sharka blue did it. I find both of them pretty attractive but not like super gorgeous. I always wondered... porn agents must ask pornstar and their fellow porn friends to work similar project right? For example, i seen some girls do premiumbukkake and the next girls who do it... they seem to be friends with previous girls who did premiumbukkake. So thats pretty much how they get girls to do scenes right? I always wondered... since sharka blue did a scene or two with suzie diamond, do you think she or lucy lee was asked to do 50 guy creampie? If so, i can't imagine any of these two girls ever accepting. Would most agree with this?



Also, I know back then Suzie Diamond did a porn video with Torbes in his site putalocura. Now does anyone know if torbes on his site putalocura back over a decade plus ago... did bukkake like he been doing for the last decade or so? Im not talking about premiumbukkake but his putalocura. Because i gotta wonder any chance suzie diamond did anything like this behind the scenes where it was not a video?

[paulyshoresituation]

Now the big question to me is this. Would the private girls from back then, like Suzie Diamond, Lucy Lee, Angel Dark, Lucy Theodorava, Carla Cox, Jane Darling,or other girls like Anna Lacey, Monica Sweetheart or think of your top favorite pornstars from that era... if there was premiumbukkake, spermmania, spermastudio, 50 guy creampie, czechgangbangs existed the way it existed, do you think they would do it or would most of them turn it down? I guess the same can be said like imagine all these pornstars were born later and around their prime porn age and there is all those sites now and like legalporno now. Would they do the legalporno type of porn or not?



For some reason, I can't imagine any of these girls doing something like premiumbukkake. I mean... if you had to put a list of most extreme to least extreme in this list... how would you put it?


50 guy creampie
spermastudio
czechgangbangs
premiumbukkake
spermmania
german goo girls
legalporno
American Bukkake/Gokkun



I gotta assume from most extreme to least it would be like this?


50 Guy Creampie
Czechgangbangs
Spermastudio
Germangoogirls
American Bukkake/Gokkun
Premiumbukkake
Legalporno
Spermmania



The reason why i have legalporno and spermmania lowest is because legalporno uses pro male actors. Spermmania seems to have all Japanese pro or semi porn stars. But some definitely look like amateur guys like the type in those japanese porn videos.



The other ones on the top of the list, I have it very high as extreme because the guys in those videos seem to be amateur guys. Like anyone can sign up for it... which to me is extreme. I still can't believe how some of these very good looking pornstars or models like those from europe who did premiumbukkake when it first came out... did these scenes where amateur guys got to cum on the girls faces.



I would be curious if any porn directors here who knew many of these pornstars from back then... if they have an opinion such as ... I think Lucy Lee or Suzie Diamond would most likely or most likely not done so and so and curious on their opinions.

[Starrio]

Most of them did at least anal and pissing which is great. I know Belicia Avalos did and she was one of the biggest.

I also loved Joana Redgrave and Ariel Piperfawn, but I'm not sure if they did pissing, I know Joana at least did anal, but just low key anal.

There was no balls deep anal like we see today with big black cocks, at least no as much, and not many anal gangbangs either.

Things are better now. I wish the girls from that era like Eve Angel, Susie Carina, or Zuzana Zelesnovova were still around to see them on LP, and on VR as well.

I know some girls would say yes to the hardcore stuff, and others would say no. For example I like Zuzana Presova, but the most I saw her do is a handjob, and getting semen all over her.

It would also be nice to have those girls doing the hour scenes from today on 4K. Back then videos were too short and very pixelated for newer displays.

[paulyshoresituation]

But do you think any of those private girls would have done any of the extreme porn like the type i mentioned? I have a tough time imagining these girls doing something like germangoogirls or czechgangbang.

[Starrio]

Whatever girls do today is what girls back them would be doing today if they were living this era.

Girls are the same on every generation, the only thing that changes are the trends.

I also don't think bukkakes are that extreme, but for most people I guess they are.

Extreme to me is rosebuds and prolapse, but I honestly don't care for it.

For me what's cool is balls deep pounding, but that's just me.

[netzerkaiser]

[quote="Starrio"]Whatever girls do today is what girls back them would be doing today if they were living this era.

Great & true response. It'd take me days to put it so succinctly. Kudos.

[paulyshoresituation]

The girls back then are much prettier than the girls of this last decade. Don't most here agree?


Look at those private girls I listed and name for say a few pornstars in the last decade that are on the level of those Private girls. I think Vinna Reed is probably the best looking pornstar of the last decade in terms of looks... or definitely top 5 for sure.


I have a very tough time imagining girls like those private girls would do anything like germangoogirls, premiumbukkake, czechgangbangs. I mean these girls are gorgeous. I always felt like girls who do gangbangs and those extreme type of porn like germangoogirls and czechgangbangs are usually not that attractive... but some of the ones who done it are pretty good looking. The amateur girls in czechgangbangs look pretty good and you had girls like Aniblack Fox who is good looking doing germangoogirls. Jill from germangoogirls seem to be an amateur but that is very good looking.


Well bukkake to me is extreme especially if the guys are amateur guys. I felt like very good looking girls wouldn't stoop to that level where any average joe could sign up for premiumbukkake... then again Vinna Reed did it.. which to me was a complete shock. Again she is one of the better looking girls in the last decade and i was shocked she did this.


I have a tough time imagining Suzie Diamond or Lucy Lee or those private girls doing premiumbukkake, czechgangbangs etc. I mean these girls are like very classy and good looking. Its like imagine someone like say Claire "Castel who i find very good looking but not super hot... i can't imagine she ever doing premiumbukkake though i heard from someone she does attend private parties/gangbangs or something like that.


I mean look at Monica Sweetheart, Jane Darling who many are huge fans of from back then. You think they would do something like premiumbukkake or czechgangbangs nowadays especially when its amateur guys? If its porn guys and lot of them, i could see it since well its like porn actors working with porn girls... but putting amateur guys most of them? I have tough time thinking any of them would accept it.


Would be curious if there are any directors or photographers or ppl in porn here who had contact with these private girls that could give their opinion on this. Like if you were a cameraman and did work for girls like Suzie Diamond or Lucy Lee etc.

[TomHardick]

It would be the same. Back then you had insanely gorgeous and talented stars like Silvia Saint, Briana Banks, Ava Devine, etc, all of them did DAP, just imagine them performing now, they would probably be the top sellers on legalporno.

[paulyshoresituation]

Okay in the list you gave me, I would find Briana Banks to be good looking but not gorgeous. Also she seem to have implants as well which to me is a huge turnoff. I do not find Ava Devine attractive at all.. Silvia Saint... I find okay but not good looking to be honest. I know Silvia did do a lesbian scene with Suzie though.


But those girls you listed... I don't see them anywhere come close to the private girls I mean Suzie Diamond, Lucy Lee, Angel Dark, Jane Darling, Carla Cox. Also look at someone like Monica Sweetheart and Julia Taylor. I mean i could possibly imagine Julia Taylor doing it possibly. But the private girls... I can't imagine them doing it now if they were in porn around the same time. I look at all the girls who do extreme porn in the last decade or so... with germangoogirls, czechgangbangs, premiumbukkake, not many well known attractive pornstars do germangoogirls nor czechgangbangs. If any, its very few. Premiumbukkake, im still shocked Vinna Reed did it. But lot of those hot ukrainians did premiumbukkake like Kira and Monro still has me shocked till this day. But I can't imagine those private girls doing something like this.


I mean, i know Sharka Blue and Tera Joy did 50 guy creampie. I find them attractive but not that good looking. And well I know Suzie Diamond did some scene with Sharka Blue so she must been asked about something like this and thus my assumption is she would refuse. I mean, if you watched 50 guy creampie with like tera joy and sharka blue... most noticeably tera joy... could you imagine how horny all the guys would be if it was say Suzie Diamond or Lucy Lee in it? That would be one of the most unbelieveable gangbang videos of all time if it happened.


The thing Is I don't see the most attractive girls in the last decade doing these types of extreme porn. For GGG, Aniblack fox did it which is very shocking to me. Now she is good looking but not gorgeous. Rebecca volpetti did GGG and premiumbukkake and to me, she is a very cute girl... but not hot looking... i assume most could agree on this. She look more like a girl than a woman.


For premiumbukkake, you had those ukraine girls do it... but when it comes to actual pornstars... the best looking ones who did it are Vinna Reed and Freya Dee in my opinion. I mean Venera Maxima is pretty good looking and so is Tiny Tina... but they aren't like private girls from back then in terms of looks.


I mean... when i saw the premiumbukkake thread and someone mentioned Hennessy just did a premiumbukkake video, i was shocked as she is one of the best current looking pornstar in the last decade. Then i find out... oh its an unknown new girl called Hennessey and not that Russian Henneesey. I mean would you been shocked if that russian popular girl Hennessy did premiumbukkake? I sure would. Also one of the best looking girls who doesn't do hardcore in the last decade plus or so I would say is Marie Melanie Rya. Could you imagine if she did premiumbukkake? That probably would be one of the hottest videos of all time with a very good looking girl. But no way she does that since she won't even do hardcore.

[paulyshoresituation]

Are there any porn producers or ex porn producers or cameraguy etc that would have any opinion on this?


Such as if these type of extreme porn existed back when they were doing porn... they would be willing to do it? I really have a tough time imagining those really hot private girls ever doing anything like this.


I mean if they had premiumbukkake, czechgangbangs, do you think they would have done it? Talking about those girls like Lucy Lee etc.

[Paizal]

It depends on the situation I would say. Why didn't Angel Dark or Rita Faltoyano shoot DAP scenes? Because they didn't have to. There were enough well-paid alternatives. Would they shoot DAP scenes today? Depends on how much they would need the money, because the well-paid alternatives no longer exist.

[dap-addict]

There were enough well-paid alternatives. Would they shoot DAP scenes today? Depends on how much they would need the money, because the well-paid alternatives no longer exist.

For Eurobabes its hardly possible to be a hardcore porn model without doing DAP today. As for the OP core question: I am convinced Suzie Diamond would do DAP nowadays, too!

Question is rather would she be in the 25+ DAP scenes range or in the 5-10 DAPs only range?

[Paizal]

^Is Private and Dorcel still alive?

[TheVulture]

Great question. I ask myself this a lot as my fave girls of that era were generally the ones who did the most and hardest scenes. My Premier League list (no order and not definitive) would certainly include Julie Silver, Claudia Rossi, Simony Diamond, Lucy Lee, Sandra Romain & Suzy Diamond.

Now, of those Simony of course easily moved into the LP DAP era.

Sandra kind of invented DAP in a non-DAP era and it's a mystery why she didn't do more LP stuff.

Claudia also did some DAP at the end of her career when it was used a little tentatively by the likes of Christoph Clark.

I'm not sure about the others but don't recall any DAP scenes with them.

My view is that all of those (and more) would definitely have moved to DAP and also the much longer, harder style of LP had they stuck around in the business. Julie Silver especially as she was simply very hardcore, doing straight-to-anal even for Private when they hardly ever did that. I think basically all of those girls just went with the flow of the time but also pushed the limits as much as they could. I don't think money would have been a factor if DAP had been more widespread - I think they would have looked at it and simply relished the opportunity from a purely sexual point of view.

If you think about the new girls, I doubt they enter porn thinking "I want to do DAP". Most are probably a bit apprehensive of it. In other words, I don't think the nature of mentality of new porn girls has changed. The new girls who do it frequently presumably love it once they've tried it. There's no reason whatsoever to think that this wouldn't have been the case with the more hardcore girls of the noughties had it been around then.

To this day I still dream that Julie Silver might come out of retirement and do a 10 on 1 DAP gangbang for LP. That would be nirvana for this "old school and new school" porn addict. And as per the theme of this thread, it would be fascinating to see if she could perform to the high standards of the new girls. I think the only obstacle might be that she is older and out of practice but that wouldn't be insurmountable. And I personally have no doubt that if her noughties version was around today she would be one of the top LP girls doing DAP and maybe even TAP left, right and centre. We will never know but that is my gut instinct.

[paulyshoresituation]

Well here is the thing. Around the mid to late 2000s, extreme porn like germangoogirls did exist. I was surprised it existed even before the year 2000. I was shocked by this. Also they had bukkake sites like american bukkake and american gokkun but of course those were US sites and almost all girls I believe were USA. But they also had extreme porn like 50 guy creampie. I was shocked tera joy and sharka blue did these scenes. I mean they are good looking but not gorgeous like suzie diamond or lucy lee or those other private girls.


So my thinking was I just have a tough time thinking they were agree to do any extreme porn like this... would you all agree? I mean i was shocked lucie theodorova did a gangbang scene with a few spanish guys who look like amateurs etc. But besides that, i didn't see any extreme porn that girls like suzie diamond, lucy lee, angel dark and many of those really hot private girls did. I mean im sure those producers back then who contacted tera joy and sharka blue for 50 guy creampie must have contacted their fellow porn girl friends like suzie diamond, lucy lee, carla cox, angel dark, lucie theorodorova... dont you all agree? But all of them rejected it?



I did remmeber suzie diamond did a putalocura scene with torbes. But didn't torbes back then did bukkake scenes on putalocura... or did that come a few years later? Again... i can imagine torbes asking suzie diamond about a bukkake... and she refusing it. Do you all agree/disagree with me on this? Again i just have a tough time imagining like the really prettiest or top pornstars doing something like extreme porn. Like imagine monika sweetheart or jane darling doing premiumbukkake or germangoogirls or 50 guy creampie or things like that... i cant imagine they ever agreeing to this.

[paulyshoresituation]

The other thing is this. The new girls in the last decade or so, I just don't find them that attractive compared to the girls from over a decade ago... aka private girls etc.


So them doing extreme porn doesn't really do much for me. To me, Freya Dee and Vinna Reed are two of the best current looking pornstars in the last few years. I still could not believe they both did premiumbukkake. I found out about Freya Dee when she did premiumbukkake and had zero clue who she was back then. I was literally shocked someone as good looking as her did it. Vinna Reed to me was one of the most shocking ever. She to me is one of the best current natural looking pornstars in porn... and by that i mean looks wise. I'm confused why she did it since i figure her regular porn certainly has to make her enough money... where she didn't had to do premiumbukkake.


I'm not a big fan of Julie Silver. But I could see why you find her attractive. Now would you say that would be your dream scene for a returning pornstar who retired years ago? As you know for me... Suzie Diamond and Lucy Lee to me are the best looking pornstars ever... along with Priscilla... aka Anna Lacey etc. But all of them have been done with porn for a while. But how much money you think it would take for girls like that to come back and do a return scene? I mean if they were offered 6 figures, you think they would turn it down though even if they have a family and kids already? Obviously many of them don't want to go back to their old pornstar life. I remember someone said Jane Darling cut contact with every single pornstar friend of hers after she married a rich older guy etc. Anyone know anything about that?


But yea what im curious about is why didn't any of those girls i mentioned do those extreme porn back then when it existed? Because i dont think they would do it because i think that is really low if you know what i mean.


I mean... i can't imagine suzie diamond, lucy lee or those private girls agreeing to do 50 guy creampie, premiumbukkake, czechgangbang, germangoogirls, spermastudio with a ton of regular guys. Of course women who are not that good looking... i could imagine them easily doing it. Like many of those girls who do germangoogirls and are not that attractive etc.

[TheVulture]

Like I say, I don't think about it in terms of money. I don't think that Julie Silver would need dollar incentives to do porn again. She has probably moved on in her life now and has different priorities, which is fine and good for her. I don't really understand the concept of porn fans who obsess about how much money the girls make or how much it would take for them to do certain things. They are women with an insatiable sexual appetite. They find porn rather than vice versa. Of course they need to be paid well but mainly for the stigma of being a porn girl, the exposure etc. It's not like they're being given money to offset a bad experience. I very much doubt that many porn girls weigh up the money for certain acts and are a bit like "Hmm OK then, for that price yes". The vast majority almost certainly push their sexual limits in a manner they are entirely comfortable with physically and parallel to that of course ask for good remuneration, which they deserve. Basically Julie Silver will come back and do DAP if she wants to and if she is in good enough physical shape for a director to think it will sell. The money I doubt would be an enormous factor.

I don't really view bukkake as being extreme in the same way that you do. That has been around in some fashion for like 30/40 years, hasn't it? And from a girl's point of view of course it doesn't require any extra physical effort in the same way that DAP and longer anal scenes do. I don't think there is the same interesting comparison with old vs new girls as to whether they would do bukkake. It just depends on whether they're into that, doesn't it? But the changing physical demands of porn for women is interesting. It's like sport in some ways in that the standard required at the top level has risen exponentially in the last 50 years or whatever. That makes for some interesting debate as to whether x old porn star was as hardcore as y new porn star or would be if they were around at a later time. The answer generally is that we will never know but I think in Simony in particular you have the easy proof that there is no reason why not. Simony basically entered porn young in a tamer era, quickly became hardcore and then easily moved into the much harder recent era, remaining hardcore at the new higher standards (even to this day). There is no reason whatsoever to think that any other hardcore girl of the noughties couldn't have done the same if she wanted to, the main obstacle being the generally short career span and girls moving on to other things, perhaps involving starting their own families. Not that many porn girls span multiple eras but I don't think that's because they see the physical standards getting too much for them as time progresses. More likely they just move on.

[bustylady]

They could suck and swallow in 2000, that's the filthiest thing I ever saw before LP/AV

[bustylady]

Except for 2 or 3 models, like Annette, cate Harrington and one unknown model

[dap-addict]

I don't really view bukkake as being extreme in the same way that you do. That has been around in some fashion for like 30/40 years, hasn't it? And from a girl's point of view of course it doesn't require any extra physical effort in the same way that DAP and longer anal scenes do. I don't think there is the same interesting comparison with old vs new girls as to whether they would do bukkake. It just depends on whether they're into that, doesn't it?

It was foreseeable that OP will be dwelling on bukkake.
But to me your POV is too idealistic, Vulture: Torbe pays really good fees compared to even DAP for his PB bukkake scenes. I happen to have monitored his booking requests in last few months and many girls turned his offer down because they didnt wanna do it. For most of them the idea of 50 or so strangers shooting go on them and than having to swallow it put them off. On the other hand I have spoken also with a girl who really wanted to do it just and only for the money, not because she was into this kind of porn sex activity at all, but Torbe turned her down in the end.
Now Torbe pays less for the same than before pandemia, thus with OP we may consider whether the unmentioned actual porn girls turning Torbes booking offer down would have done it for lets say double the fee. But here again question really rather is how much money they need than do they fancy that sexual experience, if we can call it sexual at all because there is absolutely no fucking going on on PB set.

Besides, I think most interesting question for OP are speculations whether Suzie Diamond would have accepted a PB booking if she was still active and younger ofc? LOL!

[TheVulture]

I'm not suggesting that money isn't a factor with some girls or of course that some girls haven't done porn purely for the money and nothing else. My objection is just the idea that for the most natural type of porn performer - ie the "legend" type we're discussing here - there is a price for every sexual act and they will only perform certain acts for a certain amount of money. I don't think that's the case. I think the very best girls always perform within their limits and comfort levels and at the same time I'm sure drive a hard bargain to ensure they get paid top dollar as well. Those things are not contradictory. Doubtless someone could easily cite an example of something like "Well x superstar demanded y payment to do z act, which is well over the market rate so it proves that they didn't really want to do it". No it doesn't, it just means that they know their value and were able to drive the price up, which comes with the territory of being a porn legend.

But yeah, we've drifted from the topic at hand a bit here. I just can't fathom the idea of porn fans who obsess over how much the girls get paid or consider that they are driven solely or even mainly by money. That's a depressingly joyless take on things. I certainly don't consider myself to be idealistic with my views here either. I feel like I am a discerning enough customer and a shrewd enough observer of life generally to know when people are having a good time in a porn scene. I don't think I am easy to fool in that regard and the girls we've mentioned in this thread never had to fool anyone. I leave it to others to be cynical about the motives of female porn stars. I think as a rule they are fearless, uninhibited individuals we should all pretty much be jealous of.

[paulyshoresituation]

To me bukkake is extreme... but only so if the guys in it are regular amateur guys. If its a bunch of male pornstars and its a bukkake, i don't consider that a big thing if you know what i mean. The moment a girl does a bukkake with amateur guys.... like premiumbukkake, american bukkake/gokkun... that is extreme.


Do you know when torbes started bukkake in his putalocura web site? Like exactly what year? Because i know suzie diamond did a scene with torbes and it was back in 2006 when you check out when the video was created. But it was of course one on one etc. So back then, torbes did not had any bukkake in his putalocura web site right? I remember few years later, he had bukkake in putalocura.com site.


So im curious if torbes had ask suzie diamond to do premiumbukkake during putalocura era... do you think she would have accepted? I have a damn tough time imagining she would take sperm from a bunch of strangers. I know she did many gangbangs but its almost always three guys. Lucy Lee did some with like many more guys etc. But again... these guy are male pornstars... so completely different thing.


For some reason, i dont want to look at it now like... hey imagine suzie diamond and lucy lee were around porn now as oppose to back then. Because that would change things a lot i feel like. Because that era was much different and had the best looking girls.


I mean claudia rossi in her [spam] said she was making a porn comeback but now i dont think that is happening since her [spam] is erased. But who here think claudia rossi would actually do something like premiumbukkake?


Well I believe Suzie Diamond still modeled a bit after she stopped porn because she did some fleshlight videos. I saw the date of those production and was shocked she was still doing anything porn related. But you actually think she would even do premiumbukkake if it existed back then? Again... i just have a tough time imagining suzie diamond, lucy lee, jane darling, angel dark, monika sweetheart... those girls doing anything like this. And obviously if i don't think they do that... the chance of them doing say germangoogirls or czechgangbangs... is almost impossible... would you agree on this? I did remember lucie theordorova in one of those czech videos that are orgies but all she did was like a host... and nothing more etc.



These girls seem way too high class and very good looking to do it... yes i know that make it sound like they are queens etc... but i have tough time thinking they would.

[paulyshoresituation]

Do you think the private girls like


Suzie Diamond

Lucy Lee

Bambi

Angel Dark

Jane Darling



Would ever accepted doing these if it was available to them back then?


Premiumbukkake

Germangoogirls

Spermmania

50 Guy creampie

Czechgangbangs




Remember sharka blue and tera joy both did 50 guy creampie. I have to assume the porn directors ask a ton of girls about this... but my thought was no way the girls i listed above would ever do something like this.

[TheVulture]

That stuff was around then, GGG in particular. It wasn't for all porn girls understandably and the Private ones especially probably made more money with Private and got to travel to glamorous locations to boot (as well as probably having better and more fulfilling sex). That's not to say that they would consider themselves too good for GGG or whatever but you can't do everything. GGG and its ilk was probably a better option for a newer girl starting out in the industry and in some ways with fewer sexual limits. Private by contrast was to some extent the top of the tree in porn at that time. Not just any stable could get their best and most popular girls. So you're not comparing apples with apples.

You have a bit of an unhealthy obsession with this I think and in particular the idea that some porn stars consider themselves too classy or good looking to do certain porn acts or work with certain stables. I don't necessarily think they would view it that view, it's more a question of what appeals to them and where they are on the porn ladder, where they can best combine fulfilling their sexual fantasies with good financial rewards. Understandably those Private contract girls who made good money and had great sex in fabulous tropical locations didn't need to take half the fee to be jizzed on by 50 random dudes in a seedy German warehouse and nor would it enhance their careers. If it was something they really wanted to do though I'm sure they would have done and I don't doubt they received offers from them and every porn stable around at the time. That's it. Nothing more to see. You raise some interesting questions about old vs current porn but I think you need to move on from this line of discussion.

[robin_reid]

Do you know when torbes started bukkake in his putalocura web site? Like exactly what year? Because i know suzie diamond did a scene with torbes and it was back in 2006 when you check out when the video was created. But it was of course one on one etc. So back then, torbes did not had any bukkake in his putalocura web site right? I remember few years later, he had bukkake in putalocura.com site.

In June 2005 with Diana Dean, 15 guys. I was there and actually I’m who proposed to him the bukkake idea on his forum.

[paulyshoresituation]

That stuff was around then, GGG in particular. It wasn't for all porn girls understandably and the Private ones especially probably made more money with Private and got to travel to glamorous locations to boot (as well as probably having better and more fulfilling sex). That's not to say that they would consider themselves too good for GGG or whatever but you can't do everything. GGG and its ilk was probably a better option for a newer girl starting out in the industry and in some ways with fewer sexual limits. Private by contrast was to some extent the top of the tree in porn at that time. Not just any stable could get their best and most popular girls. So you're not comparing apples with apples.

You have a bit of an unhealthy obsession with this I think and in particular the idea that some porn stars consider themselves too classy or good looking to do certain porn acts or work with certain stables. I don't necessarily think they would view it that view, it's more a question of what appeals to them and where they are on the porn ladder, where they can best combine fulfilling their sexual fantasies with good financial rewards. Understandably those Private contract girls who made good money and had great sex in fabulous tropical locations didn't need to take half the fee to be jizzed on by 50 random dudes in a seedy German warehouse and nor would it enhance their careers. If it was something they really wanted to do though I'm sure they would have done and I don't doubt they received offers from them and every porn stable around at the time. That's it. Nothing more to see. You raise some interesting questions about old vs current porn but I think you need to move on from this line of discussion.

Yea to me private is glamorous. I felt like it was the playboy of porn if you know what i mean. And those girls are very good looking.


Yea i know ggg was around back then. But the girls who did that... they are not that attractive. And i don't mean to be mean... but i remember someone mentioned how some women on ggg looks like beasts... which i do find true for lot of the women who did ggg. There were few girls who did ggg that are good looking... but none that i find gorgeous.


Again its just the thought i had of... i could not imagine any of those private girls doing something like ggg such as they are way too high a level for that. I mean... imagine jane darling doing ggg... i cant imagine her saying okay to that. I can't imagine any of those girls agreeing to do 50 guy creampie etc. That to me is would be insane. Yea i figure some of the private girls must been asked about these offers since girls like sharka blue and tera joy did it... so the producers most likely ask their fellow friends if they are interested. Its like how you see many girls do premiumbukkake and other girls who do it are fellow porn friends of the girl who did premiumbukkake etc. Like imagine they telling the girl... hey try to convince your friend to do it... like in premiumbukkake.


Do you think any of those private girls would want to do something like ggg or 50 guy creampie? I can't imagine any girl wanting to do it unless she was a crazy freak. I mean look at the girls who did premiumbukkake. Very few if any really enjoyed it.


Imagine those private girls saying yea i like to do ggg or 50 guy creampie. Could you imagine how many guys would want to attend it if someone like czech lucy lee did it?


So i was curious if anyone knows if they were asked about it... because i think they were and obviously refused. I mean cant imagine lucy lee or those private girls doing private and then go... okay i will do ggg or 50 guy creampie with a bunch of random guys etc.

[paulyshoresituation]

I just googled diana dean... had no idea who she is. I see the putalocura bukkake images and see it. Wow so that is when putalocura bukkake started? Im shocked because i thought it was few years later.


So that would mean suzie diamond must have been asked by torbes about it then right since she did her videos with him a year later? I know she did two videos with torbes and thats all. But i always wondered... did torbes ask her... hey you like to do a bukkake video for my putalocura website? I mean... if she was interested... obviously she would have done it right? The fact that there is no video means she obviously refused the offer? Or is it possible a bukkake happened behind the scenes but not made into a public video on his putalocura website?


Wait so you attended the bukkake event with diana dean and was one of the bukkake guys? If so, can you give your experience of how it was even though it was a while back? Were you aroused by it or not much because there were too many guys there? Does torbe forum still exist? Is it possible to view old posts/threads from this forum from back then? Because im curious if there was thread like him asking... hey which girl you want to see do bukkake on putalocura etc. Do you know if things like that was asked?

[OKCTwister]

2000 golden era pornstars didn't need to do extreme stuffs they were simply way better performers
and that's make best quality rough hardcore porn

[robin_reid]

I just googled diana dean... had no idea who she is. I see the putalocura bukkake images and see it. Wow so that is when putalocura bukkake started? Im shocked because i thought it was few years later.


So that would mean suzie diamond must have been asked by torbes about it then right since she did her videos with him a year later? I know she did two videos with torbes and thats all. But i always wondered... did torbes ask her... hey you like to do a bukkake video for my putalocura website? I mean... if she was interested... obviously she would have done it right? The fact that there is no video means she obviously refused the offer? Or is it possible a bukkake happened behind the scenes but not made into a public video on his putalocura website?


Wait so you attended the bukkake event with diana dean and was one of the bukkake guys? If so, can you give your experience of how it was even though it was a while back? Were you aroused by it or not much because there were too many guys there? Does torbe forum still exist? Is it possible to view old posts/threads from this forum from back then? Because im curious if there was thread like him asking... hey which girl you want to see do bukkake on putalocura etc. Do you know if things like that was asked?

On that era Torbe was doing the bukkakes with local models, probably with stars like Suzie Diamond was too expensive… or maybe she refused because she did not liked the idea, or because the guys were amateurs… or maybe he never proposed it to her because he already knew in advance that it would not be doable with such model... dunno

The forum no longer exists and the experience was fun and freak, with great atmosphere.

[paulyshoresituation]

I just googled diana dean... had no idea who she is. I see the putalocura bukkake images and see it. Wow so that is when putalocura bukkake started? Im shocked because i thought it was few years later.


So that would mean suzie diamond must have been asked by torbes about it then right since she did her videos with him a year later? I know she did two videos with torbes and thats all. But i always wondered... did torbes ask her... hey you like to do a bukkake video for my putalocura website? I mean... if she was interested... obviously she would have done it right? The fact that there is no video means she obviously refused the offer? Or is it possible a bukkake happened behind the scenes but not made into a public video on his putalocura website?


Wait so you attended the bukkake event with diana dean and was one of the bukkake guys? If so, can you give your experience of how it was even though it was a while back? Were you aroused by it or not much because there were too many guys there? Does torbe forum still exist? Is it possible to view old posts/threads from this forum from back then? Because im curious if there was thread like him asking... hey which girl you want to see do bukkake on putalocura etc. Do you know if things like that was asked?

On that era Torbe was doing the bukkakes with local models, probably with stars like Suzie Diamond was too expensive… or maybe she refused because she did not liked the idea, or because the guys were amateurs… or maybe he never proposed it to her because he already knew in advance that it would not be doable with such model... dunno

The forum no longer exists and the experience was fun and freak, with great atmosphere.

Hey. Im curious but i see your username is bolded here. Are you like one of the moderators of this forum or why is your username like that?


So torbes paid not much to those local models then? Yea the thing im curious about is was suzie diamond ever asked by torbes if she would consider doing something like this. I honestly can't imagine her accepting something like this. Yea like you said... torbes might think no way suzie would do it so he wouldnt propose the idea... but then again... it wouldn't hurt right? I had to assume torbes asked suzie diamond about it... and my opinion would be suzie diamond definitely refused it. Again the thing here is someone like her looks like a damn supermodel.... so i can't imagine her going okay i will do bukkake with a bunch of random amateur guys.


Then again look at the girls who did premiumbukkake when it first came out. I cant imagine girls that good looking willing to do something like they did. But yea with girls like suzie diamond and lucy lee and those other private girls, i always curious if they were asked to do scenes like this because i cant imagine them saying okay to it. Do you remember the name of that forum from back then?

[Pineapples Studio]

Dude. Suzie Diamond and Lucy Lee have been retired for years. You’ve got to move on.

[TheVulture]

I mean look at the girls who did premiumbukkake. Very few if any really enjoyed it.

What makes you say that? That isn't my experience of watching that type of porn.

I dabbled with GGG a bit in the noughties when I was quite new to porn and the idea seemed quite wanton or what have you. But I quickly cooled on it as I just don't like the idea of watching very amateur porn with scruffy looking guys. Some people I guess find that a turn on but not me. A strong part of the appeal of porn is that the participants (both male and female) are attractive as well as sexually adventurous.

But the way you describe it there is not how I would describe it. I think a lot of the girls (most even) certainly did enjoy it, whilst perhaps wishing that some of the guys were not so scruffy and amateur.

I think this comment speaks to your hang-ups about your favourite porn women perhaps. You place them on a pedestal, sort of assume that they are above certain things. They are/were very horny young women whose good looks open up several avenues denied to more "ordinary" women. I think you would do well to just accept that and stop obsessing about their motivations as to if, how and why they turned down certain career options. It really doesn't matter.

[TheVulture]

I had to assume torbes asked suzie diamond about it... and my opinion would be suzie diamond definitely refused it. Again the thing here is someone like her looks like a damn supermodel.... so i can't imagine her going okay i will do bukkake with a bunch of random amateur guys.

The vast majority of porn women are very attractive, often in different ways (some "classically" if you like, some just sort of have something about them). Suzie Diamond did indeed (IMHO) have very classical good looks but that in no way marked her out as unique in porn then or now. What made her stand out (like many) was her obvious sexual heat and lack of inhibitions.

I think it's a little odd that you have this obsession of her based on the fact that you deem her to be "too good looking for porn" or whatever. I don't think it is entirely healthy and I also don't really like the general use of that phrase (which does crop up quite a lot). I think you would do well just to accept that Suzie Diamond - as well as being a very attractive woman - was also a very horny young woman who gravitated towards porn as a way to fulfill her sexual fantasies (and yes, to make some money as well) during an era when porn had opened up quite a lot and there were lots of options available to her. Did she explore every one of these options? Of course not, that would be pretty much impossible/impractical. Did she consider all of them? We really don't know. How could we? And why does it matter?

That really is all there is to it. Just enjoy her work and let it go.

[robin_reid]

I just googled diana dean... had no idea who she is. I see the putalocura bukkake images and see it. Wow so that is when putalocura bukkake started? Im shocked because i thought it was few years later.


So that would mean suzie diamond must have been asked by torbes about it then right since she did her videos with him a year later? I know she did two videos with torbes and thats all. But i always wondered... did torbes ask her... hey you like to do a bukkake video for my putalocura website? I mean... if she was interested... obviously she would have done it right? The fact that there is no video means she obviously refused the offer? Or is it possible a bukkake happened behind the scenes but not made into a public video on his putalocura website?


Wait so you attended the bukkake event with diana dean and was one of the bukkake guys? If so, can you give your experience of how it was even though it was a while back? Were you aroused by it or not much because there were too many guys there? Does torbe forum still exist? Is it possible to view old posts/threads from this forum from back then? Because im curious if there was thread like him asking... hey which girl you want to see do bukkake on putalocura etc. Do you know if things like that was asked?

On that era Torbe was doing the bukkakes with local models, probably with stars like Suzie Diamond was too expensive… or maybe she refused because she did not liked the idea, or because the guys were amateurs… or maybe he never proposed it to her because he already knew in advance that it would not be doable with such model... dunno

The forum no longer exists and the experience was fun and freak, with great atmosphere.

Hey. Im curious but i see your username is bolded here. Are you like one of the moderators of this forum or why is your username like that?


So torbes paid not much to those local models then? Yea the thing im curious about is was suzie diamond ever asked by torbes if she would consider doing something like this. I honestly can't imagine her accepting something like this. Yea like you said... torbes might think no way suzie would do it so he wouldnt propose the idea... but then again... it wouldn't hurt right? I had to assume torbes asked suzie diamond about it... and my opinion would be suzie diamond definitely refused it. Again the thing here is someone like her looks like a damn supermodel.... so i can't imagine her going okay i will do bukkake with a bunch of random amateur guys.


Then again look at the girls who did premiumbukkake when it first came out. I cant imagine girls that good looking willing to do something like they did. But yea with girls like suzie diamond and lucy lee and those other private girls, i always curious if they were asked to do scenes like this because i cant imagine them saying okay to it. Do you remember the name of that forum from back then?

I’m not moderator but people with some connection with this platform as performers, directors, studio owners etc have their usernames red bolded.

C’mon I’m not saying that Torbe paid not much to local models, but take in mind that we are talking of 2005, the begginnings of his main projects, and models like Suzie Diamond were simply another league. You are wondering an impossible question about if Suzie Diamond was asked to do bukkake… I don’t remember the name of that forum.

[Pineapples Studio]

Not everyone is red bolded.

This guy is obsessed with Suzie Diamond. If you want to try a fun drinking game, take a shot every time you see the names Suzie Diamond or Lucy Lee in his post history. Just be careful because you’ll probably be dead before you’ve cleared the first page.

[dap-addict]

Besides, I think most interesting question for OP are speculations whether Suzie Diamond would have accepted a PB booking if she was still active and younger ofc? LOL!

Well, now we are back at 2005, 16y. ago, and pondering the question whether Torbe asked Suzie Diamond or not. LOL! Why not just ask him, paulyshorty? I think googling around a bit you can easily find a contact.

[netzerkaiser]

Not everyone is red bolded.

This guy is obsessed with Suzie Diamond. If you want to try a fun drinking game, take a shot every time you see the names Suzie Diamond or Lucy Lee in his post history. Just be careful because you’ll probably be dead before you’ve cleared the first page.

TBH, I think Pauly is a LEGEND. Such loyalty to those ladies. And he got stick last year, I remember someone saying paulyweirdsituation which was quite memorable. Yet he never got angry or bit back.

Pauly, we all think letting go of this is the right thing, but if talking about it helps, I for one am always here for you.

Sometimes the most obvious things escape us. I play several musical instruments & for years I refused to learn play scales & arpeggios. Pointless, unmusical, I said. Only last year did the penny drop that the point of these exercises was chiefly to allow you to 'touch type' with confidence so you could focus on musical score instead of looking down constantly all the time.

The penny drops eventually.

[Pineapples Studio]

It’s just not healthy to linger on anything for this length of time. At some point, you’ve got to move on.

[netzerkaiser]

It’s just not healthy to linger on anything for this length of time. At some point, you’ve got to move on.

Absolutely - its just a shame 'cos he seems a really great guy - & I know you've been very tolerant & helpful yourself... 'cos clearly so are you. I guess we all get tired of running over same ground. Respect to both of you genuinely.

[netzerkaiser]

I've said this before & I'll say it again. Best thing Pauly can do is book 3 week holiday or more in Czech Republic & Hungary. Get away from Prague or Budapest, & stay in Eger, Miskolcs, Pardubice, Hradic-Kralove... & just chill. Go to late night bars r garages in Moravia or Bohemia, & realise the 40 year old peroxide blonde with the crows nest round her eyes possibly did a movie 20 years ago. Looking at Mitteleuropa from an American lens.

As absurd as my analogy below is, from "The Wickerman", I think you get my point. I notice there are no US ladies in his list, 'cos he's got that sussed. Its MittelEuropa he needs understand & he'll only get over this by visting & going off beaten track. I remember once visiting Salgotarjan years ago & hoping to find Dora Venter serving beer at the local public house!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx70L_wBZB8