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Ok, so here is the thing.

For a long time now there have been somewhat of a conflict going on here with DP/NHB fans on one side and the 0% pussy fans on the other. A great many bitter, poison dripping and passive aggressive posts can be traced directly to this conflict.
And this is not strange since the two fetishes are not compatible with each other. The DP/NHB fans wants to see all holes in use. For them it is frustrating and unfulfilling to watch a 0% pussy scene. And for the anal purists that like 0% pussy even a small amount of pussy fucking can be enough to ruin a scene.

So right now the fans of each fetish simply have to wait until a studio releases a scene targeted at them.

But this is problematic since there are many other factors that also influence if people buy a scene or not. Probably the most important one is the model featured.
So what happens if i am for example a DP fan and i see a 0% pussy scene released with a model that i really, really like?
Option 1 is i simply don't buy it. Option 2 is i buy it anyway but is left disappointed with a less than perfect viewing-experience.

How about if the studios instead provided 2 versions (whenever possible) one with DP/pussy fucking and one without.
A studio like Gonzo that tends to focus on DP could film some extra positions of regular anal and/or DAP. And then in the alternative version edit that footage in replacing the DP.
A studio like Giorgio Grandi that tends to focus on 0% pussy and DAP could film some extra position's of DP. And then maybe replace some of the DAP footage. Or just add it in, making the DP version slightly longer.

This would no doubt mean more work for the producers. But the potential upside would be more sales and more satisfied customers.

So what do you all think?

I vote NO because this could be the beginning to start demanding versions of each fetish and i think we know what could happens. Now you discuss about make No pussy versions and NHB versions but i read sometimes the same thing for prolapse and other fetishes.

Currently exist this for wet/piss content.. "fine" because is usefull to sell more and simply they cut the wet parts, they dont shoot more time because the scene is based on piss content and dont need more work than a video edition.

Your post say that they can shoot additional content if the scene is 0% pussy or NBH and adding the work edition.. This could be a new increment of the prices?

The eternal war between NHB and 0% pussy fans is just the fact to impose their own tastes to the others thinking that they have right. I can tell you that exist this kind of "battles" in other porn fetishes but the key is respect and enjoy what do you and the others want to see

I prefer 0% pussy scenes but i'm not going to ask for 0% pussy versions of a scenes with DP, DVP or TP. The director shoot a scene choosing what sex acts will be appear, if he consider shoot mostly anal and add DP or TP is fine, same thing if decide shoot only anal sex.

Anyway i said this before several times: Here, in LP, we can enjoy different studios and choice a lot of scenes that surely satisfy ours fav fetishes, i think almost every day is released an scene that satisfy the no pussy fans like the NHB fans so.. other thing is discuss what shoot every studio and why but i think the offer is fine

I think you should take in count that there are fans in both groups that can watch scenes based in the "contrary" of her fav fetish sometimes. I'm with you, there are purist in both groups that they cant watch an scenes based in other thing that they consider perfect. The question will be "How many % of users are in the purist group of both fetishes?"

I don't know the numbers but, judging by the performance in sales
of the dry version of pee scenes, I would argue, that it doesn't seem
to be justified to pay an editor, to make that different cut for such movies.

It also seems unreasonable to ask the female actress to be fucked enough for
basically two movies, ever single time.
And for the men, it would make the scenes more of a chore
and impact their performance for future movies as fatigue accumulates, even more so.

And I argued in the past that scenes are not quite as fun as they used to be,
this sounds like it would make them even worse and this is the kind of idea that
follows more into the assembly line issue, we often complain about.

I voted no.

misangrenegra2 wrote:I vote NO because this could be the beginning to start demanding versions of each fetish and i think we know what could happens. Now you discuss about make No pussy versions and NHB versions but i read sometimes the same thing for prolapse and other fetishes.
....The eternal war between NHB and 0% pussy fans is just the fact to impose their own tastes to the others thinking that they have right. I can tell you that exist this kind of "battles" in other porn fetishes ...

I see what you are saying. But the difference is that DP/NHB and 0% pussy are very popular fetishes here on LP. Pretty much every scene made falls in to one of the two categories. If you read the title of the scenes you can see it is always announced there as a selling point. So if you are a regular customer on LP chances are that you are in to one or the other or both.

If you don't want to see prolapse then you don't have to because it is very uncommon.
If you are thinking about those people that are constantly arguing about weather the shoes should stay on or off, well that is just not important to very many people. You will never see a producer put a "shoes on" or "no shoes" in the title of their scene because that is something that just does not affect the sales.

misangrenegra2 wrote:Your post say that they can shoot additional content if the scene is 0% pussy or NBH and adding the work edition.. This could be a new increment of the prices?

Yes, this is a valid point. No producer would want to do this if means a higher production cost but exactly the same sales.
But this is something that could potentially generate better sales since it could make the scene reach more people.
The producer is basically using the same set, the same crew and actors to make two scenes for two different target audiences at the same time.

Well in theory anyway. It would be easy enough for any studio to test the theory. They dont have to commit to anything. Just make one test scene with two different versions and they would probably see right away if it sells better. And if it does they could also determine if the sales increase can motivate a higher production cost (if it is actually more expensive to make dual versions).

hjohjole wrote:I see what you are saying. But the difference is that DP/NHB and 0% pussy are very popular fetishes here on LP. Pretty much every scene made falls in to one of the two categories. If you read the title of the scenes you can see it is always announced there as a selling point. So if you are a regular customer on LP chances are that you are in to one or the other or both.

If you don't want to see prolapse then you don't have to because it is very uncommon.
If you are thinking about those people that are constantly arguing about weather the shoes should stay on or off, well that is just not important to very many people. You will never see a producer put a "shoes on" or "no shoes" in the title of their scene because that is something that just does not affect the sales.

I'm agree, in summary here the scenes are 0% pussy or not (NHB) because anal sex is guaranteed.

Prolapse can be less popular but i read in the forum some users demandings to make different scenes without prolapse, even complaining about how some girls falls in make prolapse in a lot of scene.

Clearly there are 2 groups but i think would be impossible make happy both them making a custome version for the 2 most popular fetishes here in each scene. Too much work and maybe the effort is not recompesated with money.

There are a lot of content to make happy both groups, maybe we should add a 3rd fetish taking the first places like TS porn, we dont must forget this and not thinking only in the releases of the 2 last weeks to make statements about what is produced more or not (no pussy or NHB)

magizi87 wrote:I don't know the numbers but, judging by the performance in sales
of the dry version of pee scenes, I would argue, that it doesn't seem
to be justified to pay an editor, to make that different cut for such movies.

I don't know the numbers either. But doesn't the fact that they still make dual versions for piss scenes rather suggest the opposite? That it is economically viable.

magizi87 wrote:It also seems unreasonable to ask the female actress to be fucked enough for
basically two movies, ever single time.
And for the men, it would make the scenes more of a chore
and impact their performance for future movies as fatigue accumulates, even more so.

Well in most cases the majority of material would be the same in both versions. Ideally.
Sure, the performers would have have to fuck more. But not twice as much.

Anyway, it might not be practically possible to make dual versions scene each and every time and with every actress.
But if it happens every now and then i certainly would be happy.

magizi87 wrote:And I argued in the past that scenes are not quite as fun as they used to be,
this sounds like it would make them even worse and this is the kind of idea that
follows more into the assembly line issue, we often complain about.

You really think so?

With this setup producers would certainly have to use something else than their usual bag of tricks, at least for parts of the scene. So i rather foresee increased creativity.
Well maybe, in a best case scenario anyway. But i don't really know if its going to have positive or negative effect in that area.

hjohjole wrote:A studio like Gonzo that tends to focus on DP could film some extra positions of regular anal and/or DAP. And then in the alternative version edit that footage in replacing the DP.
A studio like Giorgio Grandi that tends to focus on 0% pussy and DAP could film some extra position's of DP. And then maybe replace some of the DAP footage. Or just add it in, making the DP version slightly longer.

Apart from this basically nice idea OP is one of my old LP dreams, a lost case though I fight 2-3y ago.
Glad it comes back in a different robe now.
But to be honest I am not sure myself anymore meanwhile. One thing is a NHB version shot instead of 0% pussy would water the anal porn purity GIO has reached meanwhile. Another - on the other side - is just to be able to accept that some girls needs a DP > DAP step to get to DAP, i.e. learning to accept the models as they are, especially the rookies.
Thus I have really mixed feelings now end 2020.

I really don't see it being a practical option, given the work involved. Now, if it's a wet scene as well, then you'd need at least 4 different cuts of the same scene: dry DP, Dy 0% pussy, Wet DP, Wet 0% pussy.
And if you do it for that fetish, why stop there?
Another huge battle is between people like myself who want heels on all the time, and foot fetishists who want to see bare feet all the time. Do we also get two extra versions with all the shots of bare feet or heels edited out? For me personally, it might be appreciated in some areas (eg: I'd probably buy a barefoot-free version of the new Pineapple Test Kitchen scenes), but I just can't see it practical for this many different edits to be produced.

Another thing that might work is just putting options for editing down videos from the site itself. Let people set chapters/sections they wanna skip and make playlists. I don't mind skipping though some puss scenes I don't wanna see and doing the legwork of putting those chapters in. More useful to me than the gif editor.

davebowman wrote:I really don't see it being a practical option, given the work involved. Now, if it's a wet scene as well, then you'd need at least 4 different cuts of the same scene: dry DP, Dy 0% pussy, Wet DP, Wet 0% pussy.

4 versions would probably be over kill. If it is a piss scene i only expect to see the two regular piss and non piss versions.

But who knows. If this turns out to be something that boosts sales significantly then producers might think it is worth the effort to make 4 versions.

Nomad05 wrote:Another thing that might work is just putting options for editing down videos from the site itself. Let people set chapters/sections they wanna skip and make playlists. I don't mind skipping though some puss scenes I don't wanna see and doing the legwork of putting those chapters in. More useful to me than the gif editor.

Yes, this is a really good idea actually. Put together your own scene, be the editor your self. Maybe the future of pornbox?

I remember some producers experimenting with this concept when DVD technology was new. Some movies where made where you could select your preferred fetish and type of action in the DVD menu.
Its a great idea, but was perhaps a little to ahead of its time back then.

Nomad05 wrote:Another thing that might work is just putting options for editing down videos from the site itself. Let people set chapters/sections they wanna skip.

Excellent idea!
I'd cut probably 99% to 0% pussy.
But I'd still wish it was shot that way originally.

davebowman wrote:I really don't see it being a practical option, given the work involved. Now, if it's a wet scene as well, then you'd need at least 4 different cuts of the same scene: dry DP, Dy 0% pussy, Wet DP, Wet 0% pussy.
And if you do it for that fetish, why stop there?
Another huge battle is between people like myself who want heels on all the time, and foot fetishists who want to see bare feet all the time. Do we also get two extra versions with all the shots of bare feet or heels edited out? For me personally, it might be appreciated in some areas (eg: I'd probably buy a barefoot-free version of the new Pineapple Test Kitchen scenes), but I just can't see it practical for this many different edits to be produced.

I agree

I do not agree. I only buy 100% anal and no pussy scenes. Because I want more scenes like that to be produced (I like 1x1 or 2 girl x1 male) . It would be frustrating to buy a scene and know that there is another version with just one second of pussy fuck. Sorry who doesn't agree with me, but a 100% anal scene is the future of porn. Thanks Legalporno for encouraging this content.

James567 wrote:I only buy 100% anal and no pussy scenes. Because I want more scenes like that to be produced .

That is exactly what would happen. We would get a lot more 0% pussy scenes.
Think about it. We would have the same amount of 0% pussy scenes as today, but in addition to that all the DP scenes (and there are a lot of them on LP) would also have a 0% pussy version.
It would be a huge increase in 0% pussy scenes.

Also, if there was multiple edits, then there would be clear indisputable statistics that show to the producers what the majority prefers. And this in turn would lead them to focus more on that type of content in the future.
So for example if most people who bought the scene preferred to download/watch the 0% pussy version then producers would make that a priority.
And i am fully confident that the 0% pussy version would outperform the DP version every single scene from every single studio every single time.

Curious how people who want something for themselves often say they are convinced (without any knowledge or evidence) that it would sell miraculously well if only somebody else would do all the work of providing it for them.

Let me throw another spanner in the works here.

I don't like 0% pussy scenes but not because I like DP but because I love to see some back and forth A2P. I'd sooner a scene was 98% anal and 2% A2P..... DP does little for me!

poor pussies nobody wants to fuck them

all prefer anal

to be fair vaginas look fucking disgusting and not very fuckable when aroused

hjohjole wrote:...How about if the studios instead provided 2 versions (whenever possible) one with DP/pussy fucking and one without.
A studio like Gonzo that tends to focus on DP could film some extra positions of regular anal and/or DAP. And then in the alternative version edit that footage in replacing the DP.
A studio like Giorgio Grandi that tends to focus on 0% pussy and DAP could film some extra position's of DP. And then maybe replace some of the DAP footage. Or just add it in, making the DP version slightly longer.

This would no doubt mean more work for the producers. But the potential upside would be more sales and more satisfied customers.

So what do you all think?

Editing is a kind of deception. Because it shows you something that's not true by hiding and cutting out something that has happened. If the editing is skillful and it's totally hidden from the viewer, then it can work in terms of creating a fantasy experience for the viewer. But when you have two versions, then this editing isn't hidden anymore. Which destroys the viewer's fantasy.

You can have compilation videos even now, where anal parts of various films are cut out and put together to make an all-anal, 0% pussy film. But such a 0% pussy film doesn't work well for most porn fans. Because you know that the lady took guys in her pussy in that scene. You just can't see it.

In porn, the sex has to be real. Or else the fantasy doesn't work well for the viewer. Because the viewer imagines that which he knows has happened, even when he can't see it.

I'm still not understanding why make every scene for every fetish.

Already we have the option to choice different studios that shooting scenes with every fetish mentioned here.

I keep thinking is unnecessary and less if the purpose is show what sells better.

101mike101 wrote:Editing is a kind of deception. Because it shows you something that's not true by hiding and cutting out something that has happened. (...) when you have two versions, then this editing isn't hidden anymore. Which destroys the viewer's fantasy.

The more I give it a thinking, the more I agree.
What I want basically is more 0% pussy and not more DPs cut out to make it look 0% pussy.
This said we also have to be aware that even in originally 0% pussy shot scenes BTS there maybe pussy only warm-up preparations we never see in the actual video. Thus ever so often it is a fantasy we buy anyway.

dap-addict wrote:

101mike101 wrote:Editing is a kind of deception. Because it shows you something that's not true by hiding and cutting out something that has happened. (...) when you have two versions, then this editing isn't hidden anymore. Which destroys the viewer's fantasy.

The more I give it a thinking, the more I agree.
What I want basically is more 0% pussy and not more DPs cut out to make it look 0% pussy.
This said we also have to be aware that even in originally 0% pussy shot scenes BTS there maybe pussy only warm-up preparations we never see in the actual video. Thus ever so often it is a fantasy we buy anyway.

I think this 0% pussy fantasy is all about guys pushing their luck and getting more anal with their hot lady, than they are entitled to during their fuck.

Because anal is something a lot of ladies won't do even now. It's not necessarily a social taboo. But it's something a lot of hot ladies won't do. So it is a forbidden fruit. And the best fantasy for a forbidden fruit is where you totally gobble it up, rather than just take a small bite out of it.

So, guys being anal sex-fiends with a hot lady and going all-anal on her is the equivalent of totally gobbling up that forbidden ass fruit. This is the ultimate forbidden fruit fantasy.

And I think this forbidden fruit fantasy would work even better, if the hot lady yells at the guys for wanting to take her nice ass. But then she spreads her sexy ass-cheeks for their big dicks anyway. Because forbidden fruit needs to be forbidden, before you get to have it. Or else, it's not really forbidden. Which makes it less fun to have.

Porn-ladies playing hard to get for pussy sex doesn't work well. Because this is hard to believe. But a hot lady yelling at the guys for wanting to take her nice ass is entirely believable. And her eventual persuasion to take anal penetration is also believable. This is an entirely realistic fantasy. Because even ladies, who have done anal before, aren't necessarily in the mood to do it every time. So, the lady can keep the forbidden fruit fantasy going by yelling at the anal guys at first, then being shocked at how much she anally cocked, and then complaining every time another guy goes behind her ass for his anal with her.

Perhaps a good set-up for such a scene would be where a hot lady tries to bribe a bunch of guys with her pussy. But they want anal with her. After some bargaining and persuasion, she finally agrees to take their anals and DAPs. They both get what they want. But they have some tense moments where the hot lady is watching their big dicks and is a little reluctant to take them all between her sexy ass-cheeks, until they are all satisfied and her nice ass is creampied.

In such a scene, you never forget that the hot lady is anally hard to get. Which makes her anal and DAP especially satisfying to see.

misangrenegra2 wrote:I'm still not understanding why make every scene for every fetish.

Already we have the option to choice different studios that shooting scenes with every fetish mentioned here.

I keep thinking is unnecessary and less if the purpose is show what sells better.

Interesting so you really don't understand what the OP clearly describes

Here is another attempt of explaining:

Giorgio Grandi Studio (GGS) almost exclusively shoots 0% Pussy scenes correct ?

GGS also has many exclusive girls to his studio, correct ?

So how do fans of these girls get to buy scenes with DP if the studio rarely shoot these scenes (the rare exceptions are girl that are so new they can't physically perform DAP to the studio tip fucking DAP standard) ?

For example: Nicole Black, Jessy Jey, Vicky Sol and Silvia Soprano to name a few girls from recent scenes.

SimplyStunning wrote:Interesting so you really don't understand what the OP clearly describes

Here is another attempt of explaining:

Giorgio Grandi Studio (GGS) almost exclusively shoots 0% Pussy scenes correct ?

GGS also has many exclusive girls to his studio, correct ?

So how do fans of these girls get to buy scenes with DP if the studio rarely shoot these scenes (the rare exceptions are girl that are so new they can't physically perform DAP to the studio tip fucking DAP standard) ?

For example: Nicole Black, Jessy Jey, Vicky Sol and Silvia Soprano to name a few girls from recent scenes.

Sorry but i understood perfectly what the OP said.

I'm talking about the fact of editing and shoot each scene, i don't care the studio, to make happy everybody here with their custom scene with cuts and selecting the version that make you happy.

Too much time, money and edition, i guess.... and in my opinion useless.

About the exclusivity of Gio with girls, being their studio mostly 0% pussy, and being rare watch them doing DP.. Sorry but i dont know what to write you, but looks it happens in other studios too so...

I'm not the guy to anwser you about that.You can ask him.

SimplyStunning wrote:For example: Nicole Black, Jessy Jey, Vicky Sol and Silvia Soprano to name a few girls from recent scenes.

Do you want these girls to force to force to pussy sex or what?
DP isnt acceptable practice outside of their private intimate life for some of the mentioned.

dap-addict wrote:

101mike101 wrote:Editing is a kind of deception. Because it shows you something that's not true by hiding and cutting out something that has happened. (...) when you have two versions, then this editing isn't hidden anymore. Which destroys the viewer's fantasy.

The more I give it a thinking, the more I agree.
What I want basically is more 0% pussy and not more DPs cut out to make it look 0% pussy.
This said we also have to be aware that even in originally 0% pussy shot scenes BTS there maybe pussy only warm-up preparations we never see in the actual video. Thus ever so often it is a fantasy we buy anyway.

Ok, maybe a 0% pussy edited scene would be a slightly worse alternative than a genuine version made specifically with the fetish in mind. But not by much.

I watch scenes with vaginal sex in them all the time. And when i do, i (like most people) fast forward over the vaginal parts to get to the ass fucking.
Sure, this is annoying as fuck and it ruins the anal only fetish. But there is really nothing diminishing my enjoyment of the anal parts themselves.

Now imagine that someone have already done all the fast-forwarding for you. And on top of that added extra anal footage to make up for the lost parts. And it was edited as seamless as possible.
Wouldn't you agree that that this would at least be a better alternative than a regular scene with mixed anal/vaginal?

hjohjole wrote:

dap-addict wrote:

101mike101 wrote:Editing is a kind of deception. Because it shows you something that's not true by hiding and cutting out something that has happened. (...) when you have two versions, then this editing isn't hidden anymore. Which destroys the viewer's fantasy.

The more I give it a thinking, the more I agree.
What I want basically is more 0% pussy and not more DPs cut out to make it look 0% pussy.
This said we also have to be aware that even in originally 0% pussy shot scenes BTS there maybe pussy only warm-up preparations we never see in the actual video. Thus ever so often it is a fantasy we buy anyway.

Ok, maybe a 0% pussy edited scene would be a slightly worse alternative than a genuine version made specifically with the fetish in mind. But not by much.

I watch scenes with vaginal sex in them all the time. And when i do, i (like most people) fast forward over the vaginal parts to get to the ass fucking.
Sure, this is annoying as fuck and it ruins the anal only fetish. But there is really nothing diminishing my enjoyment of the anal parts themselves.

Now imagine that someone have already done all the fast-forwarding for you. And on top of that added extra anal footage to make up for the lost parts. And it was edited as seamless as possible.
Wouldn't you agree that that this would at least be a better alternative than a regular scene with mixed anal/vaginal?

I think it depends on how you watch the debauch.

If you watch it externally as an outside voyeur, then a skillfully edited video is almost as good as the real thing. Because you are focused on the present moment, and the past might as well not exist for you.

But if you try to understand how the lady feels and try to imagine yourself being that guy who is doing her, then ignoring the past and focusing only on the present moment is no longer an option. Because the past lives in the human mind as memory and feelings. And if you try to get into another person's mind, then their past becomes almost as real as their present in your awareness.

I suppose, there are different ways of watching porn. Not everybody tries to get into the minds of the ladies and the guys banging each other. But focusing only on the present moment and enjoying it is possible only when you watch external reality and other people's minds are a closed book to you.

Some people can watch it like this. But I don't think everybody can do it this way. People usually imagine each other's minds to know and understand each other. This imagination isn't necessarily accurate and faithful. But it is consistent with what you know about the lady's plow. So, knowing what happened before can ruin your fantasy. Because your vision includes the past, when you are in another person's mind.

I decided to dig up this thread again. And the reason is that the platform have changed a lot since i first posted this poll.
We now see over 10 000 releases every month. Customers are struggling with finding the premium content and producers are struggling with huge economic losses as a result of people no longer finding their content.

We can see some interesting survival strategies that the producers have adopted to keep themself afloat on top of this massive flood of shit.
We see for example releases of compilation scenes. We see alternative edits of every type, like obscure "middle versions" and what not. This is obviously to give their already filmed material another chance in the spotlight and another chance to earn sales. This so that they can get a return on their invested money and hopefully not end up with a loss.

So why not instead make alternative edits that actually targets different market segments and is aimed at very different tastes in pornography. Make alternative versions of the same scene that can be enjoyed both by the "all holes should be used" and the "anal only purist" crowds.
Not only are you giving your content another chance to reach out to customers that may have missed it the first time. You may also reach out to customers that saw the initial release but skipped over it because they did not like the action/sex acts.

How about it? Is maybe now the right time for alternative edits with separate DP or 0% pussy versions?

I just checked, I haven't changed my attitude in the last 2 1/2 years - even though with AGO we have much more NHB scenes now than we had then.

dap-addict wrote:Apart from this basically nice idea OP is one of my old LP dreams, a lost case though I fight 2-3y ago.
Glad it comes back in a different robe now.
But to be honest I am not sure myself anymore meanwhile. One thing is a NHB version shot instead of 0% pussy would water the anal porn purity GIO has reached meanwhile. Another - on the other side - is just to be able to accept that some girls needs a DP > DAP step to get to DAP, i.e. learning to accept the models as they are, especially the rookies.
Thus I have really mixed feelings now end 2020.

Now talking of AGO, he would also actually have to invest quite a lot of time to cut a 0% pussy edition out of his usual chaos-NHB films with so many so fast position and orifice changes. It might even pay for him, though. Just his scenes would be cut down to 20 to maximum 30 minutes or 0% pussy, which is quite short.

dap-addict wrote:

Now talking of AGO, he would also actually have to invest quite a lot of time to cut a 0% pussy edition out of his usual chaos-NHB films with so many so fast position and orifice changes. It might even pay for him, though. Just his scenes would be cut down to 20 to maximum 30 minutes or 0% pussy, which is quite short.

Of course there is no way of saving the dumpster fire that is a AGO scene. And i think you are being way to generous when you say that there is 20 to 30 minutes worth of content focused on anal. The reality is more close to 2 or 3 minutes.
To make an alternative anal edit Angelo would have to film an entire different scene from scratch. And he would probably also have to hire a different director to do so since he himself seems completely incapable of making this type of porn.

So yeah, thats never going to happen.
My suggestion is aimed at the vast majority of producers on the platform that are already producing content aimed primarily at fans of anal porn and not fans of pussy porn.