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Don't you think scenes from recurring models kinda lack creativity ?
Same kind of action, cumshots, outfits... It's especially noticeable on Gonzo but also happens with Giorgio sometimes...

What make scenes look different enough to buy them for you ?

I'll edit the post to add some examples tomorrow.

My 2 cents on this.

Most of "new models" are not supported enough to justify following shooting, on the other hand to shoot again a models that is supported is clearly more profitable (and this include also the following facts: we dont need to find her, she usually doesnt cancel on last minute, she is pretty easy to work with, etc).
Also, I have personally this impression: scenes that includes Vaginal sex let the most of models to stuck into a "limbo" of medium/low sales when instead with "all anal" the model gets more support from the first scene and so a bigger fan base that will buy the following scenes.
The reality imho is that the range of peculiarities that are well supported is not wide at all. Its a matter of "looking of the model" and "sexual acts". There are of course exceptions, i agree on this, but the main "rule" imho is to make a blast with the first scene to guarantee a fan base.

Lately my enthusiasm to check LP has literally have gone down the toilet.

I check Gonzo studio page and HALF the releases of july are pissing.
Best sellers page, greets me with even more pissing scenes, lol.

It's like LP is back at being a pissing website.

I check LP and instead of feeling excitement, I feel disgust. Awesome

Wished you guys listened to me back when I suggested that you should include a filter,
to filter OUT pissing scenes out of view. (or any selected niche, like prolapse, for instance).

GOODBYE

magizi87 wrote:Lately my enthusiasm to check LP has literally have gone down the toilet.

+1

This is especially true for gonzo's scenes. They have been shooting the same scene for like 2 years now on repeat. If some girl wears the same clothes the files might even be identical down to the last bit.

The action is always the same. Girl uses dildo on herself, guys come in and start fucking her in the same position on the couch.

Every. Single. Time.



Compare this to this awesome scenes they used to produce a few years ago. Like these
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/29039/ ... _ass_sz663
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/30451/ ... al_sz1032_

Scenes used to be more unique and seemed for fun. Today it's all robotic.

magizi87 wrote:Lately my enthusiasm to check LP has literally have gone down the toilet.

I check Gonzo studio page and HALF the releases of july are pissing.
Best sellers page, greets me with even more pissing scenes, lol.

It's like LP is back at being a pissing website.

I check LP and instead of feeling excitement, I feel disgust. Awesome

Wished you guys listened to me back when I suggested that you should include a filter,
to filter OUT pissing scenes out of view. (or any selected niche, like prolapse, for instance).

GOODBYE

You get a dry version of every scene, why are you crying? And it is only July 9th. So they released a few early on. Big deal. In June it was 5 out of 36, Would have had to be 18 to hit 50%.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:My 2 cents on this.

Most of "new models" are not supported enough to justify following shooting, on the other hand to shoot again a models that is supported is clearly more profitable (and this include also the following facts: we dont need to find her, she usually doesnt cancel on last minute, she is pretty easy to work with, etc).
Also, I have personally this impression: scenes that includes Vaginal sex let the most of models to stuck into a "limbo" of medium/low sales when instead with "all anal" the model gets more support from the first scene and so a bigger fan base that will buy the following scenes.
The reality imho is that the range of peculiarities that are well supported is not wide at all. Its a matter of "looking of the model" and "sexual acts". There are of course exceptions, i agree on this, but the main "rule" imho is to make a blast with the first scene to guarantee a fan base.

You forget, wet sells extremely well.

The reality imho is that the range of peculiarities that are well supported is not wide at all. Its a matter of "looking of the model" and "sexual acts"
this is valid also for wet content, its not true that just going wet make sales if the model is not well supported (even if it helps of course)

drevokocur66 wrote:

Giorgio Grandi wrote:My 2 cents on this.

Most of "new models" are not supported enough to justify following shooting, on the other hand to shoot again a models that is supported is clearly more profitable (and this include also the following facts: we dont need to find her, she usually doesnt cancel on last minute, she is pretty easy to work with, etc).
Also, I have personally this impression: scenes that includes Vaginal sex let the most of models to stuck into a "limbo" of medium/low sales when instead with "all anal" the model gets more support from the first scene and so a bigger fan base that will buy the following scenes.
The reality imho is that the range of peculiarities that are well supported is not wide at all. Its a matter of "looking of the model" and "sexual acts". There are of course exceptions, i agree on this, but the main "rule" imho is to make a blast with the first scene to guarantee a fan base.

You forget, wet sells extremely well.

It's great that GG tries to explain but even with that explanation, I still cannot see why all scenes have to look more or less the same: Setup, outfit, cast, acts, like the OP mentioned.
Variation: Pee/no Pee; Heels on at end of scene/heels off at end of scene. Rarely: Clothed to naked. Mostly: Sparsely clothed to stockings with gartners (with and without heels).

I agree with the OP, we are getting into a loop.
And if a scene doesn't sell, it is ALWAYS the fault of the model not having a fanbase. Excuse me, that is nonsense.

GatosNunez wrote:And if a scene doesn't sell, it is ALWAYS the fault of the model not having a fanbase. Excuse me, that is nonsense.

I though its a nonsense for years, but I did some test with models that are not well supported in a different situation (scene) than usual and the result doesnt change much.
Model are supported for how they look and/r how they fuck and/or if they do crazy stuff, otherwise you can bang her on the moon and the result will be poor

Giorgio Grandi wrote:

GatosNunez wrote:And if a scene doesn't sell, it is ALWAYS the fault of the model not having a fanbase. Excuse me, that is nonsense.

I though its a nonsense for years, but I did some test with models that are not well supported in a different situation (scene) than usual and the result doesnt change much.
Model are supported for how they look and/r how they fuck and/or if they do crazy stuff, otherwise you can bang her on the moon and the result will be poor

True. But looking at the best-sellers, you can easily see what looks sell or not. But everybody still has different tastes and I'm pretty sure some niche looks still sell enough. Ideally I'd lioke LP to be financially good enough to take some risk. But for now it looks like it isn't the case.


Also I think all the girls deserve at least two scenes before being thrown out. A lot of things could make the foirdst scene underappreciated. Like the model feeling not confortable or not self confident enough, wrong mace compatibility, styling not at best or whatever...

Giorgio Grandi wrote:Model are supported for how they look and/r how they fuck and/or if they do crazy stuff, otherwise you can bang her on the moon and the result will be poor

Very true, IV studio is the proof of it. Joachim has brought many fine girls lately and according to him, they didn't sell. Those scenes are not that bad at all!

Giorgio is shooting the same stuff for years without. Literally copy paste with maybe different girl and slightly different outfit and thats it. Same positions, same camera angles, same content ( 0% pussy shit). Just even more piss now which is slap in the face. The only thing that was bit interesting he did is the Psico Doctor series. Doesnt really matter anyway since he never shoots DVP so its pass for me.

Gonzo and IV are shooting better stuff now imo and now that simmilar. The monster cock team scenes are always solid. Sometimes bit repetetive like Florane scenes, like 4 same scenes for her. The Colombian stuff is repetetive and boring too. But the rest is good. IV is getting more hardcore and shooting more DVP so they are getting better too.

I just wish both Gonzo and IV would experiment with other positions for DPs especially for double vag. Nearly every scene has the same ones : cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, doggystyle and missionary. Sometimes king of clubs ( only dap- meh). The non DP positions I always skip anyway



And it seems like every studio is shooting more with older models which is something I really dont like, but especially IV and Giorgio

its really great to see Gio participating in this discussion.
i post thread about this for quite some time, specially for gonzo.
why not try more cumface fuck, maybe some bukkake, maybe a litlle more stories in the scenes.
ut has been really repetitive nowadays, unfortunately

HwtOxc8K wrote:

magizi87 wrote:Lately my enthusiasm to check LP has literally have gone down the toilet.

+1

This is especially true for gonzo's scenes. They have been shooting the same scene for like 2 years now on repeat. If some girl wears the same clothes the files might even be identical down to the last bit.

The action is always the same. Girl uses dildo on herself, guys come in and start fucking her in the same position on the couch.

Every. Single. Time.

gonzo.jpg

Compare this to this awesome scenes they used to produce a few years ago. Like these
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/29039/ ... _ass_sz663
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/30451/ ... al_sz1032_

Scenes used to be more unique and seemed for fun. Today it's all robotic.

Yes... A guy like Kid Jamaica was awesome ! He could put Timea on fire !!! He added some much things to the scenes...
"Robotic" : I wouldn't have said it better

Giorgio Grandi wrote:

GatosNunez wrote:And if a scene doesn't sell, it is ALWAYS the fault of the model not having a fanbase. Excuse me, that is nonsense.

I though its a nonsense for years, but I did some test with models that are not well supported in a different situation (scene) than usual and the result doesnt change much.
Model are supported for how they look and/r how they fuck and/or if they do crazy stuff, otherwise you can bang her on the moon and the result will be poor

Don't forget that what you are doing is filming sex : there are women AND guys ! And because you are shooting it, there are WAYS of shooting too !
Of course, women are supported for their look and their skills, but you can't deny that you could put the kinkiest and prettiest woman of the world in front of your camera, if you make her shoot with bad guys and/or exactly in the same way again and again, even if consumers are going to buy the 2 or 3 first scenes, they are not going to buy it indefinitely !!!

Perfect examples :
Veronica Leal and Natasha Teen : first scenes >>> Great sales, and a huge number of views (fanbase, these queens deserve it)...Then you directors put them exactly in the same action for all the next scenes >>> Sales decrease : THAT'S NOT BECAUSE WE ARE FED UP OF THEM, WE WANT TO SEE MORE and/or SOMETHING ELSE !!!
About the new girls : if you make them shoot exactly in the same way than fanbased ones, who are more confident in front of the camera and for the most of them more skilled (which is totally normal), how do you think we are going to react ? OR if you shoot it with more diversity, don't you think that we are going to have less points of comparison, and so that we are going to react better (for your sales) to the trailers ??????
About the males actors : finding some new guys, who can REALLY ADD some things to your shoots, should be one of your priorities too... like Mike Chapman (not the best, but he ADDS something ).

I'm REALLY happy to see that you want to make some explanations (Luis is not taking care at all of what we think according to me, and he is probably on vacation...once again...), but please, choose one of your series, and try to look at 10 of your trailers : PLEASE tell me you understand why people are more and more saying that scenes look too similar to be all attractive...

For more explanations about what I think, just go and read my comment on "Gonzo.com director critic : Luis" p.9

I agree : too much piss .
Too much dildo-stuffing at the beginning .

Things that make a positive difference :
Standing Dp ( see new Poopea scene )
Barefoot , foot-visibility and sometimes footplay action ( some months ago there was a lot at Gonzo , and some of the new GioLab scenes have it also )

The thing I'm tiring off is the same old white rooms and same old white couch. A change of location wouldn't go amiss. Also how about a few outdoor scenes? I know they are tricky to shoot, but worth the effort I think.

jackthetreacleeater wrote:The thing I'm tiring off is the same old white rooms and same old white couch. A change of location wouldn't go amiss. Also how about a few outdoor scenes? I know they are tricky to shoot, but worth the effort I think.

Also maybe some good teasing, too? In this issue american porn is better imo.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:

GatosNunez wrote:And if a scene doesn't sell, it is ALWAYS the fault of the model not having a fanbase. Excuse me, that is nonsense.

I though its a nonsense for years, but I did some test with models that are not well supported in a different situation (scene) than usual and the result doesnt change much.
Model are supported for how they look and/r how they fuck and/or if they do crazy stuff, otherwise you can bang her on the moon and the result will be poor

Isnt that Azura Alii Gagland scene a counter-example, Giorgio?
Her DAPbreakin' didnt sell because of her looks (bush, tattoos), but her instant-made-up instead-of-anal scene IS indeed something different and is selling fine.

https://www.legalporno.com/studios/giorgio-grandi/year/2019/month/07

@pastaga
I take risks many time... more than you can image

@dap-addict
i have my personal rank generated from my personal statistic. My personal "rank" about scene goes in this way:

- from 500 to 1700 for a scene with a price of about 4 tickets. 500 is very bad, 1700 is fantastic. Average 1100
- from 700 to 1500 for a scene with a price of about 5 tickets. 700 is very bad, 1500 is fantastic. Average 1100
(just for make 2 example)

So, example Azura, her second scene (GIO1102/GIO1101 the wet one) is actually ranked 850 on my personal stats.
Take for example Allatra (GIO965), her rank is under 500 is actually ranked 850 on my personal stats.

An average result should be around 1100 (even 1000 could be acceptable). if a model doesnt get ranked 900 on my personal scale, I can shoot her anymore unless something change drastically (her look, her skills, what ever)
Really is doesnt matter the contest, even if some of you still think about it as a major problem, it doesnt affect the rank that much

it looks similar because they know what's work perfectly for anal gonzo lovers. When i watch other gonzo anal studio from over the world, i often feel disappointed by something in the the setup, either it's the "don't watch the camera" policy, lighting, the lack of sexy outfit , wrong makeup ect, to be fairly honest the closest to compete with lp is mike adriano but his lighting setup isn't enough bright, some girl nearly not watching the camera during the full scene and he introduced his horrible "gape gloves", i like to see girls' hand naked with manucure when she's stretching her ass with both hands ! There is also Jules Jordan but too bad he's not in anal niche full time

Chi_Cha wrote:it looks similar because they know what's work perfectly for anal gonzo lovers. When i watch other gonzo anal studio from over the world, i often feel disappointed by something in the the setup, either it's the "don't watch the camera" policy, lighting, the lack of sexy outfit , wrong makeup ect, to be fairly honest the closest to compete with lp is mike adriano but his lighting setup isn't enough bright, some girl nearly not watching the camera during the full scene and he introduced his horrible "gape gloves", i like to see girls' hand naked with manucure when she's stretching her ass with both hands ! There is also Jules Jordan but too bad he's not in anal niche full time

I wonder what you think of Jonni Darkko's work. Seems to me he's closer to LP style than Adriano.

I support the idea of a piss filter. I rarely go the main LP page any more because I'm greeted with large thumbnails of women being used as toilets in 'Best Sellers' and 'New Scenes'.

ampl wrote:I support the idea of a piss filter. I rarely go the main LP page any more because I'm greeted with large thumbnails of women being used as toilets in 'Best Sellers' and 'New Scenes'.

Agreed

ampl wrote:I support the idea of a piss filter. I rarely go the main LP page any more because I'm greeted with large thumbnails of women being used as toilets in 'Best Sellers' and 'New Scenes'.

Filter every niche, that way we don't offend anyone on an anal gangbang/fisting/prolapse/cumeating from ass/ass tasting off dicks/squirting/cock rubbing website. Let's not offend anyone by pee.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:@dap-addict
i have my personal rank generated from my personal statistic. My personal "rank" about scene goes in this way:

- from 500 to 1700 for a scene with a price of about 4 tickets. 500 is very bad, 1700 is fantastic. Average 1100
- from 700 to 1500 for a scene with a price of about 5 tickets. 700 is very bad, 1500 is fantastic. Average 1100
(just for make 2 example)

So, example Azura, her second scene (GIO1102/GIO1101 the wet one) is actually ranked 850 on my personal stats.
Take for example Allatra (GIO965), her rank is under 500 is actually ranked 850 on my personal stats.

An average result should be around 1100 (even 1000 could be acceptable). if a model doesnt get ranked 900 on my personal scale, I can shoot her anymore unless something change drastically (her look, her skills, what ever)
Really is doesnt matter the contest, even if some of you still think about it as a major problem, it doesnt affect the rank that much

Not sure I understand you, Giorgio?
You wanna say at this stage of sales for both Azura and Allatjra you can't shoot either of them again because they sold too badly (lower than minimum acceptable 1000)?
Whats that number 1000 referring to?



Imho both Azura scenes got killed by her ugly bush. But the wet Gagland one sold much better because it was something different, no?
Sadly both of them didnt sell enough.
So lets her get bald, much better anally and offer you a good deal on top...