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I feel a bit of a déjà vu here because about 3 years ago I made a glowing post about LP after first discovering it and buying a ton of the scenes. Unfortunately over the course of the next year or 2 I kinda fell out with LP as I realised that a lot of what I liked was the high quality of the girls and the really user-friendly ticket format and I had overlooked some other negative aspects such as the clapped out old studs and the at times pretty unpleasant treatment of the girls. This latter aspect seemed to escalate during my membership to the extent that I really only looked at LP out of a grim kind of fascination and to chart the sad demise of porn, whilst buying the occasional scene that wasn’t too ugly or unpleasant. At the same time I embarked on a process of culling most of the LP DVDs (yeah I’m still a DVD burner) from my collection, which did serve to enhance the ones I kept but was a bit of an indictment of the stable overall.

However, I dipped my toe back in the LP waters a few weeks ago on the strength of some decent trailers and I have to say I’m absolutely amazed with what I’ve seen, to the extent that I’ve spent a small fortune on tickets – almost exclusively the Giorgio stable with his usual crew of guys – and had a few very late nights, ahem, consuming the scenes.

Key to this change of heart are a few things but principally that Giorgio and his actors finally seem to have understood the line between hard sex and annoying macho aggression. With the occasional exception of Angelo, none of the guys ever seem to cross the line with brutish mistreatment and as a result of this the girls are positively sizzling from the screen whilst receiving astonishingly hard anal sex. LP has been super-hard since the outset but for the first time ever (IMHO) the Giorgio scenes have begun to deliver heat as well as hard content. This isn’t just down to the girls as they have always been there – it’s part of a larger evolution (and possibly a rethink) and really is a sight to behold. Really important as well is that the Giorgio guys are all young and good looking and have huge dicks (and perform brilliantly). I don’t have to convince myself that the girls want to fuck these guys like I often did with LP scenes in the past.

One thing I can’t quite believe (I will temper this a little by saying that I said the same thing on that post 3 years ago but this time it’s more genuine) is that I’ve come not only to enjoy DAP but to absolutely love it! Where previously I saw something slow and clunky that most girls seemed to endure rather than enjoy (and couldn’t fathom why porn viewing guys would want to see it), now the Giorgio guys are effortlessly DAPing the girls with real speed and penetration and there are a sizeable group of them who clearly love it and give the impression that they wouldn’t settle for single anal. That’s a brilliant feat. It used to bum (pun intended) me out seeing guys rubbing dicks and make me wonder why they would share a girl’s hole like that but when it’s done well (which seems to be any Giorgio scene of late that features it) all I notice now is the heightened ecstacy of the girls when they get it. Bravo!

Also, where once I saw LP scenes as being way too long and only to be enjoyed in brief clips, I now find myself easily watching the 50 minute-odd scenes in their entirety and being carried along by them in the traditional porn way (eg with the excitement building). Key to this is all of the above and the mostly excellent camerawork (it’s rare to be frustrated at not getting the best angles) as well as the wonderful dressing of the girls in lingerie/suspenders etc. and the fact that heels feature strongly. And where I once saw the scenes as being formulaic with the same room, same positions etc. I now have the exact opposite sensation of loving the fact that not long after the scenes start I’m going to be treated to the girl(s) taking hard standing or doggy anal leading to the 2 standard DAP positions etc. And the constant nature of the settings doesn’t even enter my mind. The familiarity has become a strength rather than a weakness and for the first time ever I think “Gonzo” porn might be the best format (I did used to prefer some storyline/surprise I admit).

There are still a few things I’m not overly keen on but can more easily not dwell on when a scene is sizzling. The thing where the guy pushes the girl’s head forward during reverse cowgirl seems a bit demeaning/dehumanising and I don’t really get. I’m not keen on prolapsing either but will accept that a little of it is inevitable with this strength of porn. If a girl’s bum pops out quickly every now and then (Angie Moon is a good example as with her it seems that her bum is built to naturally get a little of that even early in a scene) it looks healthy enough but I like to see it go back in quickly and certainly don’t encourage the idea of asking a girl to push it out and getting other girls to lick it etc. I think this is something that Giorgio and the other LP directors should certainly keep a bit of an eye on. Keep it hard but keep it healthy! Please don’t succumb to viewer demands to take this to silly extremes.

I think LP has genuinely hit on a superb formula – making arguably the greatest ever hardcore porn scenes in recent weeks and months – and don’t think there should be any need to “push the envelope” beyond what is being offered now. If LP can develop new girls to build towards the multiple DAP scenes in stages then it has a template for sensational porn that should last some time. Please measure attempts to “go further” with any girls against their own personal health (and bear in mind that these young horny girls might not be the best judges of what they can physically endure!) I did make the mistake last time I was active on these forums of getting heavily involved in debates about boundaries/mistreatment etc. that I mostly stand by (although I was perhaps a little puritanical at times) so won’t do this again beyond saying that personally I don’t think I’ll ever enjoy face-slapping, throat-grabbing etc. but as long as the girls clearly like it and it drives them on to produce greater heat then that’s fine by me (Mallory Maneater being a good recent example).

A couple of personal preferences that would be guaranteed to keep me spending long-term:

(1) More skirts! Like I say, the dressing of the girls is pretty much immaculate but I’d like to see more girls in skirts with them being fucked for at least the early sections with them around their waist. The skirt shouldn’t be combined with suspenders etc. but more with typical “street wear” (heels, tight vest tops etc.) – think the kind of outfits the girls would wear if they were going out on the town with their female friends and trying to turn heads (eg borderline slutty but not sex wear).

(2) More multiple facial cumshots! I’ve developed this in a separate thread so will just leave that at that.

That’s pretty long but I wanted to show my appreciation and hope that the fine work continues.

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I share non of your optimism. Things are worse than they have ever been.

Giorgio the only talented director on the site have changed direction completely when it comes to what models he use. He used to always regularly bring us new young Russian and euro hotties. But now he has like 5 euro girls that he has been shooting over and over since 2016 and the only new girls we are seeing are average American women and milfs.

Gonzo the only studio that occasionally brings hot girls have become bland, repetitive and exceedingly pussy oriented. The studio have always favored DP scenes but have now started to include even more regular vag only segments as well as vaginal acts like ass to pussy and DVP in their standard repertoire. On top of that they have discontinued completely the 0% pussy series that i really loved.

And then we have all the softcore DDF pussy porn that the site is being flooded with. Not only the "Glam Porn" scenes but also this "Focus" studio (aka Handson Hardcore).

^always has to be the miserable guys who can't get it up for porn anymore.

Yes, i actually find it exceedingly difficult to get excited about the porn LP puts out thees days and it is making me a bit miserable. Thank you for understanding!

^ you need a girlfriend or other help

It will be worse in the next years with euro girl, the system how it is (recruiting/management) sucks and there are now way to change it.

Do you want wonderful euro girls?
- starting payout for model should increase 3 time otherwise there is not a financial input for start with pornography (starting price for performer did not increase almost at all in the last 10 years while the cost of the life in east Europe is 3 time more expensive). With possibility of connection between escort recruiting and girls because of social network, the offer of pornography is ridiculously low.
- production of lesbo/solo and Vanilla porn should increase 5 time and each website should give at least 10-15 scenes to each new good looking model, one after the other as soon as she starts otherwise not everyone would join porn starting with anal content
- models agency should do the interest of the model and not act like a call center, do the management and point the girl on the right direction (model should do what she should do and do not do what she wants). Market needs to be free and not a join venture between friends, who find the model gets the bookings and no one (producer or other agency) should try to book a model directly otherwise it doesnt make sense even to find a model if after the point will be just to have a topic on everyone that sent a message to the model talking badly of the agency because the only interest is do not pay agency fees and underpay the model.

Nowadays, pure utopia.

As said above, TWM is focusing more to give a organizational and logistic service for connect models and producers than recruit new models as to recruit new models is hard and not profitable for anything different than LP.

I would not be able at all to keep releasing as I am doing without american girl, but I would not mind to have more euro girls, the problem is that there are not enough and for the few there is absolutely no management. Example from yesterday: euro model scheduled for DP with DAP attempt, she did not know from her 2 agents about the DAP attempt, otherwise she would have refused the booking, than 15 minutes of conversation and she decide to agree with the DAP attemps. That 15 minutes of conversation should not be my call, but a duty of her agents as I do not pay an agent for schedule a scene, I pay an agent for get an adult model.

Whatever you think, this is how it is.

hjohjole wrote:I share non of your optimism. Things are worse than they have ever been.

Giorgio the only talented director on the site have changed direction completely when it comes to what models he use. He used to always regularly bring us new young Russian and euro hotties. But now he has like 5 euro girls that he has been shooting over and over since 2016 and the only new girls we are seeing are average American women and milfs.

Gonzo the only studio that occasionally brings hot girls have become bland, repetitive and exceedingly pussy oriented. The studio have always favored DP scenes but have now started to include even more regular vag only segments as well as vaginal acts like ass to pussy and DVP in their standard repertoire. On top of that they have discontinued completely the 0% pussy series that i really loved.

And then we have all the softcore DDF pussy porn that the site is being flooded with. Not only the "Glam Porn" scenes but also this "Focus" studio (aka Handson Hardcore).

European scene is disorganized and fragmented. Wish we can have American sense of organization in Europe.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:
...the problem is that there are not enough and for the few there is absolutely no management ...

Here are 3:

Alexis Crystal: DAP/TAP for Gonzo . Im sure you can book her.
Empera: DAP/TAP for Gonzo Im sure you can book her.
Holly Hendrix: DAP . Im sure you can book her (also she went on vacation with Gonzo guys). Seriously you didn't shot Holly yet? One of the best USA girls atm doing toons scenes for Gonzo?

Unless there is some real problem between you and models, those 3 models can be booked by you. I can post more Gonzo girls but well, we can start by those 3

JohnnyMcSpunkencock wrote:Porn heaven

rockin out indeed, it's how we live!

Giorgio Grandi wrote:It will be worse in the next years with euro girl, the system how it is (recruiting/management) sucks and there are now way to change it.

Do you want wonderful euro girls?
- starting payout for model should increase 3 time otherwise there is not a financial input for start with pornography (starting price for performer did not increase almost at all in the last 10 years while the cost of the life in east Europe is 3 time more expensive). With possibility of connection between escort recruiting and girls because of social network, the offer of pornography is ridiculously low.
- production of lesbo/solo and Vanilla porn should increase 5 time and each website should give at least 10-15 scenes to each new good looking model, one after the other as soon as she starts otherwise not everyone would join porn starting with anal content
- models agency should do the interest of the model and not act like a call center, do the management and point the girl on the right direction (model should do what she should do and do not do what she wants). Market needs to be free and not a join venture between friends, who find the model gets the bookings and no one (producer or other agency) should try to book a model directly otherwise it doesnt make sense even to find a model if after the point will be just to have a topic on everyone that sent a message to the model talking badly of the agency because the only interest is do not pay agency fees and underpay the model.

Nowadays, pure utopia.

As said above, TWM is focusing more to give a organizational and logistic service for connect models and producers than recruit new models as to recruit new models is hard and not profitable for anything different than LP.

I would not be able at all to keep releasing as I am doing without american girl, but I would not mind to have more euro girls, the problem is that there are not enough and for the few there is absolutely no management. Example from yesterday: euro model scheduled for DP with DAP attempt, she did not know from her 2 agents about the DAP attempt, otherwise she would have refused the booking, than 15 minutes of conversation and she decide to agree with the DAP attemps. That 15 minutes of conversation should not be my call, but a duty of her agents as I do not pay an agent for schedule a scene, I pay an agent for get an adult model.

Whatever you think, this is how it is.

hjohjole wrote:I share non of your optimism. Things are worse than they have ever been.

Giorgio the only talented director on the site have changed direction completely when it comes to what models he use. He used to always regularly bring us new young Russian and euro hotties. But now he has like 5 euro girls that he has been shooting over and over since 2016 and the only new girls we are seeing are average American women and milfs.

Gonzo the only studio that occasionally brings hot girls have become bland, repetitive and exceedingly pussy oriented. The studio have always favored DP scenes but have now started to include even more regular vag only segments as well as vaginal acts like ass to pussy and DVP in their standard repertoire. On top of that they have discontinued completely the 0% pussy series that i really loved.

And then we have all the softcore DDF pussy porn that the site is being flooded with. Not only the "Glam Porn" scenes but also this "Focus" studio (aka Handson Hardcore).

The money is in the streaming platforms and piracy basically killed porn like we knew it. If I pay for porn I'm stupid nowadays, you can get everything for free, which is the reason the quality went downhill since some years now. American porn is a joke, sometimes feels as the whole of the US only has 3 male performers, I'm so bored of it right now.
But Giorgio you can't tell me, the acts the women have to do in your movies don't have anything to do with finding fresh models. In past days it was enough to fuck the women in the ass, good and hard. Pissing was the norm, not the exception.Then you and this site became famous for all the circus acts like daps, taps etc. and it almost seems like a standard now for the girls when they want to work here. And whilst some exceptional performers like Arwen, Linda etc. have no problems with that, I bet my left nut lots of new talents do.

Giorgio, multiplying payout 3 times and g/g lesbo production 5 times is sci-fi.
After all LP is definitely shooting itself in the foot when they have built its success solely on demanding anal acts like DAP/TAP.

We are losing girls that would do anal, maybe DP, but not DAP.

You have a very wrong picture of free porn nowadays (I mean free legal tubes).
Tubes are platform where websites owners share they own content for free, looking for traffic/branding/revenue from ADS. Most of sites are sharing 5-10 miutes clips only 6 months old.
They get what they are looking for, otherwise they would not do it.
Who doesnt do it, or who claim that it doesnt give benefits, should evolve the quality of the content, its unthinkable tp make sales now with what was selling 10 years ago. Its like if Mercedes would try to sell for new a car based on a 10 years old model, it wont sell.

The problems about models is a "structural problem", it is not connected to the distribution of the content. To shoot porn is simply not worth anymore for a model, there are other solution for gain easy money in the sex industry than to shoot porn as performer.

Long time ago I told as my goal is not to focus on the model, but on the sexual act as I understood that situation already 2-3 years ago. To hope in sales because a model is cute means to have a lot of cute models and this is not possible anymore.

LP does its job, shoot anal content with who is available, who doesnt do the job properly are other websites that suppose to shoot "less hardcore" content (as these are the website from where a model should start performing).

In my opinion pee content are as extreme as DAP, as I see how a scene is produced, for a model wet content are much more stressful and hard than a DAP. Im wonder why most of users do not understand this telling DAP is a circus and pee its not when if you are on the stage pee is totally a circus act that requires 3 time more than a DAP scene with more trouble for a payout (to the performer) that somehow doesnt even justify the afford

Kid, for other websites is possible to pay more, its necessary to put more afford when the scene is created, but this is difficult as most producers/director of "membership website" do not give a shit as they are paid the same money no matter if the content sells or not. Than, increase the membership price, 19USd for years of content are a joke and an insult to the performers.
And we are not loosing performers, agencies are loosing performers as it should be their job to prepare a performer for shoot what the market requires. We are able to keep working almost any model that arrives on the stage, so we do our job pretty good, if an agency doesnt care to "get everything" from a performer but they prefer to get another one as soon as the easy job is finish (so it means few days) you cant blame us.

LP is a platform designed for a "studio" to shoot what he wants and get a revenue out of it, its a very difficult platform, Im wonder how many producers/director would be able to survive here...

imho deep anal much more beautiful than dap/
in dap actors stand like wooden statues and are afraid to move

I somehow agree as it is more dynamic, but unfortunately the revenue for the scenes that include DAP is more "stable"

lp_old_fan wrote:imho deep anal much more beautiful than dap/
in dap actors stand like wooden statues and are afraid to move

Giorgio Grandi wrote:You have a very wrong picture of free porn nowadays (I mean free legal tubes).
Tubes are platform where websites owners share they own content for free, looking for traffic/branding/revenue from ADS. Most of sites are sharing 5-10 miutes clips only 6 months old.
They get what they are looking for, otherwise they would not do it.
Who doesnt do it, or who claim that it doesnt give benefits, should evolve the quality of the content, its unthinkable tp make sales now with what was selling 10 years ago. Its like if Mercedes would try to sell for new a car based on a 10 years old model, it wont sell.

With the greatest respect, there's an incredible amount of full length pirated Legal Porno uploads on tube sites, one-click filehosting sites and torrent search engines that Legal Porno's exclusive rights agent, xTakedowns, seems to be missing. Your content is everywhere and I suspect this is still hurting your sales.

What XTakedowns are taking down, the vast majority of URLs removed from Google's search aren't even in Google's search index and XTakedowns only send several Notices per week on behalf of Legal Porno. If you don't believe me, view Legal Porno's transparency report: https://transparencyreport.google.com/c ... ers/161203

I can tell you this because this is what I do for a living. If you want a chat about this Giorgio, send me a DM on here.

With my post I meant about the real big tubes as big as xv where website owners can promote their website and get a benefit out of it, not about "illegal tubes" where the take down polity is totally ignored and were is the "tube owner" owner itself to upload the content without to have the right to do it.

Jimbo8012395 wrote:

Giorgio Grandi wrote:You have a very wrong picture of free porn nowadays (I mean free legal tubes).
Tubes are platform where websites owners share they own content for free, looking for traffic/branding/revenue from ADS. Most of sites are sharing 5-10 miutes clips only 6 months old.
They get what they are looking for, otherwise they would not do it.
Who doesnt do it, or who claim that it doesnt give benefits, should evolve the quality of the content, its unthinkable tp make sales now with what was selling 10 years ago. Its like if Mercedes would try to sell for new a car based on a 10 years old model, it wont sell.

With the greatest respect, there's an incredible amount of full length pirated Legal Porno uploads on tube sites, one-click filehosting sites and torrent search engines that Legal Porno's exclusive rights agent, xTakedowns, seems to be missing. Your content is everywhere and I suspect this is still hurting your sales.

What XTakedowns are taking down, the vast majority of URLs removed from Google's search aren't even in Google's search index and XTakedowns only send several Notices per week on behalf of Legal Porno. If you don't believe me, view Legal Porno's transparency report: https://transparencyreport.google.com/c ... ers/161203

I can tell you this because this is what I do for a living. If you want a chat about this Giorgio, send me a DM on here.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:With my post I meant about the real big tubes as big as xv where website owners can promote their website and get a benefit out of it, not about "illegal tubes" where the take down polity is totally ignored and were is the "tube owner" owner itself to upload the content without to have the right to do it.

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Whilst I now work with music businesses including the major labels and huge independent distributors, I have worked for pornographers in the past.

Adult tube content is fairly easy to remove and what can't be removed (rare), can be easily hidden via Google and Bing. I don't want to annoy you here Giorgio but in my professional opinion, your scenes are far too easy to download for free.

Irrespective of the above, keep up the great work.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:Kid, for other websites is possible to pay more, its necessary to put more afford when the scene is created, but this is difficult as most producers/director of "membership website" do not give a shit as they are paid the same money no matter if the content sells or not. Than, increase the membership price, 19USd for years of content are a joke and an insult to the performers.

I'm trying to be realistic. That's exactly the reason why I think LP could be THE place to go for girls who want to
try shoot LP content, but they aren't prepared yet to shoot DAP in the first scene. I believe that especially you could learn them and help
expand to DAP and other studios could follow the same route. For some reason they prefer to shoot already anal experienced girls.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:And we are not loosing performers, agencies are loosing performers as it should be their job to prepare a performer for shoot what the market requires. We are able to keep working almost any model that arrives on the stage, so we do our job pretty good, if an agency doesnt care to "get everything" from a performer but they prefer to get another one as soon as the easy job is finish (so it means few days) you cant blame us.

LP is a platform designed for a "studio" to shoot what he wants and get a revenue out of it, its a very difficult platform, Im wonder how many producers/director would be able to survive here...

No doubt is very demanding for directors to keep up with LP platform and give stable releases and sells. Changing the situation to the ideal point you have described above is almost impossible to me. If LP studios could shoot more girls that want to try LP but are not as experienced with anal
yet (ie won't do DAP yet) will I believe this slight change would still be worth it. I wonder what changed customers' porn viewing habbits that only DAP sells good and simple anal/DP not so much?

Is there even a hope to increase studios' revenue by adding / changing business model without sacrifiying something?