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GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:44 am

by dap-addict

Wanted to post that in GIOs sub-forum first, than in the gonzo sub-forum, but its probably best here:

Talking of the newer GIO girls there is some strange transformation happening once they perform the same (DAP/DP/TP) at SZ.
Generally they sell much worse even they do the same just with other studs.
They also usually perform worse.
Why is that?

Monika Wilde: https://www.legalporno.com/watch/33372/monika_wild_in_rough_4on1_with_dap_prolapse_lots_of_squirt_cum_swallow_sz1930
(looks also worse)

Selvaggia: https://www.legalporno.com/watch/32429/selvaggia_swallowed_four_cumshots_after_tremendous_fuck_session_with_dap_triple_penetration_sz1697
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/33515/big_booty_blonde_selviagga_4on1_double_anal_deepthroat_in_fishnets_fs006
(looks better, actually)

Gabrielle Lati: https://www.legalporno.com/watch/33391/gabriella_lati_100_double_anal_with_gape_farts_prolapse_0_pussy_fucking_sz1938
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/32416/gabriella_lati_100_double_anal_with_massive_gapes_anal_farts_prolapse_0_pussy_sz1696
(looks the same)

Anya Akulova: https://www.legalporno.com/watch/33326/anya_akulova_no_holes_barred_fuck_session_with_self_fisting_followed_by_dp_dap_dvp_tp_sz1912
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/33306/anya_akulova_amazing_dap_dp_for_gonzo_sz1904
(looks worse)

: For Monika Wilde even doggy DP with Ed in her pussy turns into a problem with Luis instead of Giorgio directing.

Performing less demanding acts:

Anna Rey: https://www.legalporno.com/watch/33341/piss_drinking_slut_anna_rey_receives_rough_anal_fucking_dp_sz1919
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/32752/too_cute_anna_rey_does_3on1_dp_dpp_sz1784

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:50 am

by dap-addict

Intersting input visigoth, thanks a lot!

I agree with some of your points, especially the showcasing and color balance.
Also Luis camera gives us a more intimate feel, the girl is closer, really in the centre of attention so to say, camera is more frontal than sideways, through the eyes of the camera view gets more involved instead of just peeing into a hot action.

Still, if we look at the girls - as the true centre in all aspects - more closely, still with Luis a lot of GIO girls dont actually work.
And thus with him, or generally working for gonzo.com, they in most cases simply dont sell.

Lets take Monika Wilde as one of the last transfer examples:

dap-addict wrote:Why is that?

Monika Wilde: https://www.legalporno.com/watch/33372/monika_wild_in_rough_4on1_with_dap_prolapse_lots_of_squirt_cum_swallow_sz1930
(looks also worse)

1. It takes Luis crew just really too long to realize the simple fact that the girl doesn't wanna pussy fuck, that for her her pussy is exclusively hers, her own 'virgin' lust centre.
2. Chemistry is ok, Monica is hot for sex, but they still dont manage to tame that sex animal inside of her. At the end she leaves them spent; the big famous Luis crew was useless really.
3. Two DAPgasms are not played to rewarding end as Luis studs are unable to focus, positions change too fast
4. rare Mike Angelo wood problems, the 3 remaining studs dont muster her, a 5th stud might fix it but Luis usually hasn't as many
5. Monika has some small but surprising problems assuming position in cgdap, Ed maybe too big/long for her... (check into that again!)

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:32 pm

by Bummer-Harris

I Don't like the Gonzo stunt cocks.

Erik Everhard and Chris Diamond are cool. The recent Arwen Gold scene was spot on.

The rest, for various reasons, I don't want to see. No dice.

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:23 am

by Chi_Cha

visigoth2020111 wrote:
GG has stupendous fucking but
1 he does not make his girls look beautiful ( lame makeup, dress)

This, i personally think the preparation is the main weakpoint of his videos, but i think it's giorgio's own decision, i remembered him saying "make up make girls older" but that's not always true, it depends on make up artist skills, but make up will make the girl look sexier for sure. Concerning the outfits also true, girls appearing directly in lingerie, no time to tease a bit, he has increased his lingerie pattern diversity but still all black 80% of the time, and the worst part is sometimes randomly, he decides to choose horrible high heels for the girl to wear, like"economic" high heels in his wardrobe

so disappointed by the high heels of the last nicole black video, i was expecting something like red high heels

It matches so good with black lingerie and and increase 10 to 100 times the sexyness of the actress

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:05 am

by Giorgio Grandi

Folks do not lose any opportunity to derail every topic, constantly

visigoth2020111,
first, you are actually proving you did not even watch the scene. I did not shoot that scene and the main difference between my operator and me is actually the was to move the camera (I move fast, he move slow)
second, I am not surprised you did not watched the scene as the account visigoth2020111 never spent a single cent on this website and is the remote hypothesis you have a different account for purchase the content, you should use it for make a comment directly in the scene instead than imperviousness this forum with your personal point of view.

dap-addict, is old agreement between me and xxx to use as more as possible different boys as to use the same boys would make the content too similar between me and Gonzo.

As the question of the topic has been answered clearly, I do not see the point to add other comments to this topic

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:38 am

by magizi877

I love rough sex videos and I think it would be amazing if once or twice a year
LP assembles an all-star male cast, made of stunt cocks who lean their performance towards the "roughing the ladies up" side.
A pit those guys against a single brave and beautiful woman.

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:45 am

by dap-addict

Giorgio Grandi wrote:Folks do not lose any opportunity to derail every topic, constantly
(...)
dap-addict, is old agreement between me and xxx to use as more as possible different boys as to use the same boys would make the content too similar between me and Gonzo.

As the question of the topic has been answered clearly, I do not see the point to add other comments to this topic

Giorgio, your are mixing up my topic with this one about SZ studs at GIO: https://www.legalporno.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=101&t=17873
I well understand your agreement and I dont want any SZ studs at your set!
All I wanna discuss here is why your girls sell so badly as soon as Luis films them with another set of studs a.o., but also other MU, other lighting, other studio etc.

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:43 pm

by Giorgio Grandi

Yea @dap, too much bullshits and I start to be confused, Im sorry. Anyway this doesnt mean that the replay of visigoth2020111 makes sense, actually it contradicts the main point of your post (which is based on numbers), he expressed is personal point of view which doesnt represent the audience.
Back to the topic: I do not have an idea about the difference of sales as I do not check Gonzo content (we shoot many time the same girls, so in that way I do not get influenced from what they shoot and the content stays different) , so I do not even know how they are shooting.
I check the content from AA and AB, I find very interesting and fascinates the way they use for construct the scene and bring the model to the action. Also I saw some backstage videos on [spam] and I recently start to draft the scenes on paper with test and images for better express to operator/boys/girls what I want to pay for and it seams they are doing. Actually I knew is pretty common for USA directors to draft the scene on paper before to shoot it, but I did not know someone does it also on gonzo stuff.

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:00 am

by dap-addict

Giorgio Grandi wrote:Also I saw some backstage videos on [spam] and I recently start to draft the scenes on paper with test and images for better express to operator/boys/girls what I want to pay for and it seams they are doing. Actually I knew is pretty common for USA directors to draft the scene on paper before to shoot it, but I did not know someone does it also on gonzo stuff.

Interesting! Pretty elaborated, but sounds like good idea!
Does it really help on set in practice with the girls? Arnt you still more dependent on your stud crew to show the girls the next position and forge her into it so to say? Neo for instance does it pretty good and smooth.

You sure get some feedback from your girls who worked for gonzo: Do they have problems to understand their porn vision?
It seems changing position is less smooth there - despite their US studio style drawings - and generally there is a more relaxed mood at your set, more girl centered too.

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:05 am

by Giorgio Grandi

I do not want to comment the content of other producers, has everyone has his own vision I do not see the point to maybe influence with comments.

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:15 pm

by dap-addict

Fair enough!
Understood!

But maybe this paper draft of your scene experience question so far: Does it really help on set in practice with the girls?
Arnt you still also dependent on your stud crew to show the girls the next position and forge her into it so to say?
Neo for instance does it pretty smooth, Dylan Brown starts to become kind of another scene leader, no?

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:21 pm

by Sir Noel

I prefer Giorgio's sets, I prefer not having 15 mins of vibrators and dildos at the start of every scene, I prefer the more filmic and classy style but most of all I prefer that his picture quality doesn't look like shit.
I bought all the Henessy and Nataly Gold scenes in the SZ19xx range and they all look noisy and rough, like they are filmed in poor light with the gain turned right up. Other batches of scenes seem over processed (too sharp or too mich contrast) This stops me regularly purchasing Gonzo scenes any more.
I also feel like Studio Gonzo often feels like it is going through the motions a bit. I know occasionally a GG scene will surprise me with something unexpected or novel but I never expect anything different from Gonzo (they did start filming some 9f the scene outside which was good)

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:38 pm

by dap-addict

Thanks for input, SN!

Nataly Gold however isn't a TWM girl, she has performed for GIO but quite long ago. Hennessy never performed for GIO.
I also dont really want to compare the two studios as such here, BUT us trying to answer the question why the latest batch of TWM/GIO girls (see the OP links!) perform bad in comparison for gonzo sales wise, but also sex wise on set. I just dont get it and thus look for an explanation!
Btw, I regularly buy scenes with both studios - GIO and gonzo.com.

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:05 pm

by Giorgio Grandi

Just for make a clarification: I do not schedule only girls from TWM, I schedule what ever girl I find interesting to shoot in the "global" interest of my production.

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:24 pm

by dap-addict

Of course!
And right so!

But this thread is mainly about Monica Wild, Selvaggia, Anna Rey, Anya Akulova... See OP links!

They're all TWM girls who performed for gonzo and failed in many Depts., at least in the scenes I linked.

And I try just to understand why...

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:15 pm

by kidloco2

blah blah blah blah blah

Luis' and Giorgio's shooting style are still very distinguishable one from each other.
I like varity so for FFS I love having the same girl shooting for both studios. HOWGH!

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:06 am

by dap-addict

You completely misunderstood me, kidloco!
I like it too, I want even more girls transferred vice versa and yes both studios do have a different style and thats good so.
Still, I am asking about the scenes in the OP links!
Why do they sell so much less with gonzo than in GIO scenes? And why do the girls perform worse? Or dont they?

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:29 am

by magizi877

I skipped all of those scenes you mentioned DAP-Addict
I can only comment about Monika Wild and Selvaggia tho, as I do like those babes.
The other ones are not my type, so I would never buy those. (Not even with free tkt tbh)

I skipped Monika WIld scene because I didn't like her outfit, the stripes,
but mainly because the trailer made me think it was full of squirt and prolapse. Both I dislike.

And Selvaggia because the scene was only about (probably) 30 mins of sex, whereas her Giorgio videos
are at least 45 mins of sex. Which IMO Gonzo long intros are their biggest negative.

Also, both videos were on the heavy side of DAP which doesn't attract me as much as other things.

I also wanted to say that it appears that a lot of models do what the directors ask of them,
and not do what they are capable of, under the circumstances when the director is "chilling".

Because I was thoroughly impressed with say, Sonya Durganova performance on her Gonzo's videos,
but with her IV videos, I was like "this is garbage" lol.
And this has happened multiple times before where I was thinking "X model did better under Y studio"
Not just on LP tho, but across the Internet.

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:34 pm

by dpconnoisseur1

This topic is a very opinionated topic so you will never get to a satisfactory answer unless it concludes with what OP thinks the answer should be. For me it is simple, I think as a majority of the models go Gonzo fans are used to having the most beautiful models on LP now that Sineplex is gone. Giorgio seems to be more intent on finding models that can do DA no matter what they look like because that is what his fans demand. Gonzo sits in a middle with fans both demanding hardcore acts but with beautiful models performing them. I just feel as long as the model does DA Giorgio fans will buy those scenes but Gonzo fans have more varied taste in sex acts and want to see the most beautiful models doing the wildest things that they can get them to do. So this is my reason for skipping most the models the OP listed as I can't speak for all Gonzo fans.

I don't know what changed lately but Giorgio IMO has really stepped up with some of his new models he is introducing to LP, WOW:

Jolee Love
Nicole Black
Gabriella Ross - I don't why he gave up on her. She was breathtaking IMHO.
Sofya Curly
Stasia Bond
Amina Danger
Kira Roller

This is the only model that I like from the OP list but it pained me to skip it because of the disgusting pissing, prolapse and DA focus content. It seemed like Luis was trying to imitate Giorgio in this one. In the long run I couldn't help myself because I wanted to see Monika in front of someone else camera other than Giorgio and bought it 4 weeks later, it was a mistake. It was exactly what the trailer said it was going to be pissing, prolapse and DA focus.

IMHO I think it is such a waste of a capable performer. Monika is very cute and needs to be put in a situation where she shows of her best attributes. Let see her with her raven hair down free flowing in a black skimpy bra, g-string and heel show that body and tease the camera. Oil her up to accentuate her physique then let her do what she does best devour men without the pissing and prolapse with no holes barred. Sure go through what some of the fetish groups like double BJ, Pussy, Anal, DP, DA, DV, TP and TAP but please no focus on DA.

dap-addict wrote:Monika Wilde: https://www.legalporno.com/watch/33372/monika_wild_in_rough_4on1_with_dap_prolapse_lots_of_squirt_cum_swallow_sz1930
(looks also worse)

Skipped, I thought she was not my type but when I saw trailers of Selvaggia on non-LP scenes I thought she is very cute. I might go back and buy some of her DP scenes.

dap-addict wrote:Selvaggia: https://www.legalporno.com/watch/32429/selvaggia_swallowed_four_cumshots_after_tremendous_fuck_session_with_dap_triple_penetration_sz1697
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/33515/big_booty_blonde_selviagga_4on1_double_anal_deepthroat_in_fishnets_fs006
(looks better, actually)

Skipped, Not my type.

dap-addict wrote:Gabrielle Lati: https://www.legalporno.com/watch/33391/gabriella_lati_100_double_anal_with_gape_farts_prolapse_0_pussy_fucking_sz1938
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/32416/gabriella_lati_100_double_anal_with_massive_gapes_anal_farts_prolapse_0_pussy_sz1696
(looks the same)

I thought these were okay, she looked the same as she does in Giorgio trailers. Great body but she always has a confused expression on her face similar to Susan Ayn(one of my favorites).

dap-addict wrote:Anya Akulova: https://www.legalporno.com/watch/33326/anya_akulova_no_holes_barred_fuck_session_with_self_fisting_followed_by_dp_dap_dvp_tp_sz1912
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/33306/anya_akulova_amazing_dap_dp_for_gonzo_sz1904
(looks worse)

SKIPPED, she looks like jail bait.

dap-addict wrote:Performing less demanding acts:
Anna Rey: https://www.legalporno.com/watch/33341/piss_drinking_slut_anna_rey_receives_rough_anal_fucking_dp_sz1919
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/32752/too_cute_anna_rey_does_3on1_dp_dpp_sz1784

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:06 am

by kidloco2

dap-addict wrote:You completely misunderstood me, kidloco!
I like it too, I want even more girls transferred vice versa and yes both studios do have a different style and thats good so.
Still, I am asking about the scenes in the OP links!
Why do they sell so much less with gonzo than in GIO scenes? And why do the girls perform worse? Or dont they?

I don't share anybody's opinion they performed worse. Just different style & vision and I'm damn glad for that. It let me
see the girls in different point of view.

Re: GIO girls lent out to SZ/gonzo.com and their transformation

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:28 pm

by dap-addict

Agree!
Same for me!
I want the same girls working for different directors.
Spices it all up, broadens to outlook on their talent, also wanna see how they manage Ian and Mike.
But why do their videos usually sell so much worse performing for gonzo?

That's such a pity!