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I really hope I'm not the only one who feels this way, but I have a real problem with seeing a guy's hand holding/spreading a girl's butt in a scene, especially during a DP. To me I didn't get the scene to look at a man's hand, i want to see the woman's arse shaking or see the profile of it. There have been some amazing scenes ruined because the guy is holding a girl's ass the ENTIRE time. Whether the girl is slim or has a huge ass, you are guaranteed to see their hand. It really amazes me directors are ok with approving this when so much time is spent with a girl showing off her assets before a scene starts only to have it covered by a man's fugly hand. I'd rather see the girl holding holding her own, but even this can be annoying is she's doing it the entire time (Briana Bounce is infamous to me for this). You might get glimpses of a hands free zone only to have the male's hand cover it like an eclipse for the rest of the position.

What I prefer is if they instead hold the girl at the waist so that way their hands are not covering the butt or just keep the hands to the side completely. This way it is free to shake and we can see the profile of her lovely asset for a least more than 30 seconds to a minute.

Performers who are habitual are:
Luca Ferrero
Erik Everhard
Ian Scott - sometimes he lets it shake
Tony Brooklyn -
Markus Dupree - so glad he's not a regular fouling up a scene with his hand in the way, unfortunately he's now in USA fouling up those scene with his hands

Performers who let the butts be seen:
Chris Diamond
Vinny
Mike Angelo - he's the best example of letting a butt shake
Charlie Mac
Jamaica - he can also ruin a scene at times to with all his spreading

Charlie Mac is gone.

Couldn't agree more. It's madness. Why do they do it? So we can see the penetration better?

Do this, then:



I thought Mike Angelo did it a lot or am I wrong?

The worst performer is Erik Everhard. Nearly every time he fucks a girl reverse cowgirl, you see his stupid hands rubbing the pussy. This guy is absolutely disgusting! Here an example taken from the trailer "Nicole Love first anal SZ1303".

Brurek wrote:The worst performer is Erik Everhard. Nearly every time he fucks a girl reverse cowgirl, you see his stupid hands rubbing the pussy. This guy is absolutely disgusting! Here an example taken from the trailer "Nicole Love first anal SZ1303".

"Disgusting"? Really? Because he rubs her pussy? Seems like he was having a nice time

Maybe it would be better for the rest of us pervs if he just moves his hands out of the way. Then she can rub her own pussy.

avanfurwet wrote:"Disgusting"? Really? Because he rubs her pussy?

Surly not, but this guy makes porn for 20 years now and in my opinion he looks too old to fuck young girls. I hate also his stupid speech "yes, yes, yeeees", "fuck, fuck, yeeess, fuck", "ohh yes, fuck, ohhh"… it's just annoying, because he is louder than the girls or his needy eye contact.

Seems like he was having a nice time

Would you have porn which Everhard enjoys or do you want porn which you enjoy? It's no secret that Everhard makes porn because he wants to fuck and finds in real life no or not enough women.

Brurek wrote:

avanfurwet wrote:"Disgusting"? Really? Because he rubs her pussy?

Surly not, but this guy makes porn for 20 years now and in my opinion he looks too old to fuck young girls. I hate also his stupid speech "yes, yes, yeeees", "fuck, fuck, yeeess, fuck", "ohh yes, fuck, ohhh"… it's just annoying, because he is louder than the girls or his needy eye contact.

Seems like he was having a nice time

Would you have porn which Everhard enjoys or do you want porn which you enjoy? It's no secret that Everhard makes porn because he wants to fuck and finds in real life no or not enough women.

OK, so you were saying you think he's generally disgusting. Not just this one thing. Sorry I misunderstood. I have no opinion about the guy.

yeah I agree.

the main thing that irks me w/ GG films specifically is that he zooms in on their faces close to a dozen times each film.
Zoom all the way in on their face, then zoom all the way out. Then zoom in on the dap, then back to their face, then all the way out again.
Oh and tilting the camera sideways and not centering the camera on the sitting dap part.. <--- this is a big one.

And trying to film two daps at once. Who can watch two things at once? You gotta zoom too far out to film two at once imo.. I'm all for the 4 on 2 type scenes though as the women compete and great scenes are produced..

I'm on the other side of the coin, I don't want the men to behave as they are an accessory to the scene, a dildo plugged into a wall that the woman can use.

Why would you follow a hardcore porn website, where men interact with women, if you don't want to see the interaction.

Wouldn't it be better for you to follow webcam girls or websites such as metart?

magizi87 wrote:I'm on the other side of the coin, I don't want the men to behave as they are an accessory to the scene, a dildo plugged into a wall that the woman can use.

Why would you follow a hardcore porn website, where men interact with women, if you don't want to see the interaction.

Wouldn't it be better for you to follow webcam girls or websites such as metart?

100%. Butt cheeks and tits look much better when they are grabbed. Real passion. Also - i andolutely hate when in doggy or cow gorl dp a girl puts her hands or one of her hands on the butt with intention to open it and she is extremely uncomfottable in this position, often stooped or leaning on yhe floor or couch with her head or shoulders. In doggy and dp there should be max movement and humping, and must be in suitable position - arms forward leaning on her hands!!!

sorry, but i LOVE the spreading. I really like it when a guy spreads her open while his buddy gapes and pounds her.

magizi87 wrote:I'm on the other side of the coin, I don't want the men to behave as they are an accessory to the scene, a dildo plugged into a wall that the woman can use.

Why would you follow a hardcore porn website, where men interact with women, if you don't want to see the interaction.

Wouldn't it be better for you to follow webcam girls or websites such as metart?

What I'm saying is there is nothing wrong with interaction, but when the ratio of time where you'd be able to see the full aesthetics of the butt/boobs are covered by a fugly male hand, that ruins it for me. I would like to see some free ranging assets be able to roam free without being caged like a chicken. There is no way in the world it should be acceptable to have a women's asset entirely covering during a posotion, especially when the male has a ring(s) on the finger to distract as well as his hand. I'm strictly speaking about there being a time balance so both sides can enjoy. A male hand will never be more attractive than seeing a woman's butt or boobs move naturally. I'm calling for a little situational awareness so that the view isn't blocked for the majority of the position.

How is this more attractive than seeing her butt move without the hands in the way at least for over 30 seconds? If the entire position is their hands covering, it takes away from showing off what see has.

Agreeing completely to OP! Always bothered me and it's one of several things that makes me think, that most of LP-directors are somehow forgetting the most basic things in porn shooting. Whole direction is a mess, really on most videos. If I'm honest I find myself skip through maaany parts of LP-films. If it wasn't for that ton of DAPs they churn out...
Another one one my top "lack of directing-skill"-list ist forgetting to take off or (even worse) itentionally leaving Breasts and tummy covered (see 2/3 of Susana Melo's stuff).
Number two would be letting the stunt-cocks be too vocal, also happens in many vids.
Not to mention lazy or hectic camerawork sometimes....

I mean what's going on at Sineplex for a year now.... Gonzo never raised high exceptions anyway, so I don't really care for them, except when they again mess up a scene that sounded so good, in first place. I still like Giorgio's stuff, but his scenes are so over the top sometimes - and I also see increasingly more male bodies and hands jumping around, especially since he moved into his new studio.

Regards

here4theCOCK wrote:sorry, but i LOVE the spreading. I really like it when a guy spreads her open while his buddy gapes and pounds her.

There's nothing wrong with what you like, but when that is being done the majority of the position, there's not a fair balance to see the girl.

Compare the pics. You'd rather look at either set of males hands the entire position as opposed to the Brianna's or even better no hands at all (at least for a good 30 seconds)?

Dzentungen_Blacksmith wrote:

magizi87 wrote:I'm on the other side of the coin, I don't want the men to behave as they are an accessory to the scene, a dildo plugged into a wall that the woman can use.

Why would you follow a hardcore porn website, where men interact with women, if you don't want to see the interaction.

Wouldn't it be better for you to follow webcam girls or websites such as metart?

100%. Butt cheeks and tits look much better when they are grabbed. Real passion. Also - i andolutely hate when in doggy or cow gorl dp a girl puts her hands or one of her hands on the butt with intention to open it and she is extremely uncomfottable in this position, often stooped or leaning on yhe floor or couch with her head or shoulders. In doggy and dp there should be max movement and humping, and must be in suitable position - arms forward leaning on her hands!!!

When boobs are grabbed for a little, sure that's fine. When a girl has a masterpiece set of boobs, they should be displayed, not covered for the majority of the position.

I should note, I enjoy a lot of the content this site provides, but when scenes/positions are tarnished by lack of situational awareness, it can get on the nerves.

magizi87 wrote:I'm on the other side of the coin, I don't want the men to behave as they are an accessory to the scene, a dildo plugged into a wall that the woman can use.

I don't said that I don't like interaction, but I don't like when Everhard fucks a girl reverse cowgirl and 70-90% of the action you see his stupid hands on the pussy. The other thing I don't like is when a girl dislikes it when he rubs her pussy and take off his hands and after a minute the hands are back and the girl gets uncomfortable.

And here another thing I dislike: big wristwatches.

The girls know much better how to please themselves during an anal fuck, EE can start to make them continue but shouldnt stay there and rub her pussy all the time. Also a girls hand doing it just looks somuch better!
Other grabs I tend to agree with magizi, though. Except the JYL beam/kuckmal gape view, thats best done by the girl of course.
In cg anal/dp/dap girls spreading their own ass tend to intervene with the fucking, though, better keep their hands off in this case.
All in all, all is a matter of balence - but studs need to get involved more than just with their dicks. But girls hands are still looking better than the studs hands.

I'm not sure you people have think this through.

Imagine you are the guy penetrating the girl from behind in a cowgirl position. And you are not allowed to touch the girl with your hands "Because you block the view".

How can you leverage your body back and forth to also perform a penetration worthy of a porn? If the only thing you can grab around you, is the girl but that's the one thing you can't grab.

So you'll make the people who don't want you to cover the girl body happy, but the rest would complain about the inevitable tipfucking you did because you couldn't leverage your body properly.

I actually have thought about this before, back in 2013 I suggested that they should build an apparatus, with handles and whatnot, if you look at bdsm movies this kind of thing already exist, gonzo could just use them for leverage porpuses insured of their intended use, so that the guys can use to hold on to, but as you can see no such thing had never been attempted. Although what I was thinking back then was, how to get better camera angles. But now that Giorgio is here and seeing how he does it, where the woman is so clearly visible despite the 4 or 5 guys on screen makes me think that such device is not needed.

I wish Giorgio would pay a visit to gonzo and analyze their process in person and make suggestions. To improve the viewing experience that is captured.

Ultimately it would be gonzo decision whether or not they use the suggestions

magizi87 wrote:I'm not sure you people have think this through.

Imagine you are the guy penetrating the girl from behind in a cowgirl position. And you are not allowed to touch the girl with your hands "Because you block the view".

How can you leverage your body back and forth to also perform a penetration worthy of a porn? If the only thing you can grab around you, is the girl but that's the one thing you can't grab.

So you'll make the people who don't want you to cover the girl body happy, but the rest would complain about the inevitable tipfucking you did because you couldn't leverage your body properly.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Grabbing the waist, shoulders,or hair of the girl is totally fine. I can never get how a guy look so confused in a scene (Tony Brooklyn for example) where the only choice is grab butt or looking awkward with his hand appearing to have anxiety from constantly moving in the way of camera trying to grab ass when he is penetrating from behind.

The guy underneath the girl also ruins it too. Why is his hand still in the way when we have a clear shot already? These positions/angles would have been beautiful if his fugly hand was not in the way


If a position lasts for 1 minute, it should not consist of seeing his hand in the way for 57 seconds of the position

Here are some more pics to emphasize it being done right where the performer has plenty of leverage holding other areas while not blocking the butt:

If a guy trips over, maybe he twisted his ankle, and falls over. That hurts right?
If you see that happening, you can kinda feel his pain, that OUCH! feeling, maybe you even offer him help, right?

That's empathy.

And it works exactly the same for when a man grabs a woman ass.
It gives you that "mhmm... Oh yeah" feeling, of happiness.

I'm not making this up, electromagnetic resonance images of the brain have shown that the areas of the brain
that trigger when you feel pain, pleasure, etc also trigger on the brains of the people watching that event.

So would you rather grab her shoulders, really? Because grabbing the ass feels so much better.

Can't you just watch the intro routine that displays her body, with great detail.
And enjoy the sex with all the pleasures of the flesh that happen?

magizi87 wrote:I'm not making this up, electromagnetic resonance images of the brain have shown that the areas of the brain
that trigger when you feel pain, pleasure, etc also trigger on the brains of the people watching that event.

So would you rather grab her shoulders, really? Because grabbing the ass feels so much better.

I get what you're saying and don't disagree with you. As viewers we are vicariously experiencing the scene, but you know when something is distracting.

magizi87 wrote:Can't you just watch the intro routine that displays her body, with great detail.
And enjoy the sex with all the pleasures of the flesh that happen?

Yes I can enjoy her showing off and the sex, it just needs to be evenly distributed. You can't honestly tell me you'd prefer looking at a male's hand as opposed to the curves of a woman for the ENTIRE/MAJORITY of the position. If all the male actors started painting their nails or wearing rings on every finger, I would think you would see my point about how distracting it would be. That's like asking someone who hates feet to look at the woman suck on the man's foot for most of the scene. Everyone's not into that, so that element shouldn't dominate the focus of the scene.

Putting it another way, if the LegalPorno logo took up almost 25% of the screen, how would you feel? Would you feel ok with having to look at it during the duration of the scene when it could easily be minimized? Now think about how it's almost a guarantee to see certain performers' hand cover a girl's ass EVERY scene in the same position and think about how frustrating it is because it detracts away from an otherwise great position. Markus is infamous to me for this

If your favorite star always wore a bra (no nipples shown) despite not needing one how would you feel? The bra can take away from a scene despite sometimes looking ok. She could easily wear it for part of the scene, and the other part it could be removed. Now imagine her getting a giant tattoo, would you feel it takes away from her? At least the hand and bra could be out of the way for a portion of the position. Imagine if Lucie Wild (not saying she's a favorite of yours or mine, but you can't deny how beautiful her bust is) did that, there would be a forum outcry of it being a shame they were covered for the scene

These are simple things that can be altered simply by being aware of various elements. Why is it that 1 hand only covers the cheek that is facing the camera, but the other hand is on the waist? Can't the actor simply switch for at least 30 seconds? Same position, just his hand is mirrored away from the camera. You're still able to see him grabbing the butt (on the other side) fulfilling your wanting the male to be engaged giving you the same feeling of grabbing the girl. By switching back and forth, not only does is everyone happy, but it shows ambidexterity as well

Halona Vog's scene was a prime of example of how the mix should be: some male hand, some female hand, some no hands at all, everyone happy. A call for a balance in positions is what I'm after, not total elimination of the male hand in the way

You are choosing to concentrate at a guy hand instead of the whole picture.

Ruining your own experience with your easily distractable minds

Cherry picking the moments where it happens and complain as it was happening ALL of the time...

Just concentrate at Crystal bouncing boobs



Or at Ian's hand

The choice is yours

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

magizi87 wrote:You are choosing to concentrate at a guy hand instead of the whole picture.

Ruining your own experience with your easily distractable minds

Cherry picking the moments where it happens and complain as it was happening ALL of the time...

Just concentrate at Crystal bouncing boobs

Or at Ian's hand

The choice is yours

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Nope, I'm critiquing what could enhance the look of a position for a few seconds. It's the equivalent of getting photo bombed EVERY position by the SAME hand

Funny how many of you complain about some dudes hand holding open a girls buttcheecks because it "gets in the way" but have no problem when 2-3 dudes try to fuck a girl in the ass at the same time where dudes asses covers up everything. Makes no sense. Give me a hand over 3 harry asses anyday

rollin_dubs187 wrote:Funny how many of you complain about some dudes hand holding open a girls buttcheecks because it "gets in the way" but have no problem when 2-3 dudes try to fuck a girl in the ass at the same time where dudes asses covers up everything. Makes no sense. Give me a hand over 3 harry asses anyday

lol, you're right, but i'm mainly talking about side view shots, not up under shots. I don't enjoy dude's asses either, but controlling hand placement is much easier just cuz all you gotta do is move it

magizi87 wrote:I'm on the other side of the coin, I don't want the men to behave as they are an accessory to the scene, a dildo plugged into a wall that the woman can use.

Why would you follow a hardcore porn website, where men interact with women, if you don't want to see the interaction.

Wouldn't it be better for you to follow webcam girls or websites such as metart?

Totally agree

magizi87 wrote:You are choosing to concentrate at a guy hand instead of the whole picture.

Ruining your own experience with your easily distractable minds

Cherry picking the moments where it happens and complain as it was happening ALL of the time...

Just concentrate at Crystal bouncing boobs



Or at Ian's hand

The choice is yours

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I think hand-gestures aren't just hand-gestures. They have a lot of meaning. And that's where the problem, or the solution is.

When a guy grabs the hot lady's ass and holds it for an extended period of time. Then he is taking possession of her ass and guarding it from bystanders. It's a like a warning signal to other guys, who are watching her, to stay away from her.

It looks like a hostile gesture to some guys watching her. And that's why they don't like it.

And this kind of meaning people often experience on the subconscious level, in terms of their feelings, without understanding it consciously. That's why they say that they don't like it. But they can't fully explain why.

But the guy can use his hand-gestures to invite the viewers, rather than warn them to stay away. The guy in the picture above can for example grab the lady's tit, find her nipple and feel it, then grab her ass. If he keeps going with his hand tit-to-ass and ass-to-tit, then he is simply enjoying the lady, rather than taking possession of her and guarding her. And this can look like an invitation for viewers to join in the fun and cop a hot feel during the drill.

Lol for forgetting about this thread. Still feel the same though, especially now that Vitoria Beatriz and we should not be getting her butt blocked by a hand for the majority of the scene