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Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:58 am
by dap-addict
Deceided to move a few discussions I once started on ebi here. Hope thats ok.

I start with falling in porn-"love" as I just really feel it happened and its ravageing! :o
This year I was in porn-"love" here with Karina Grand, Sandra Luberc, Ariadna...but now Belle Claire has put them all aside!

Just to explain: I write "love" not love as its ll happeing in a fantasy world of course and most of us dont cross the line between adoration and a real life meeting contesting the idealized picture we have of our porn girls we crave about. In real life may be real love, in porn there's porn-"love". It can be very emotional and very compassionate still.

Now I mean basically the "one and only girl", not the dotzens of girls we may just really like at LP. This said for me the one and only girl for years is the long retired Prague Golden Age star Julie Silver. I shall always go back to her scenes and her personality, BUT I still actually now just burn inside for Belle Claire.

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How is it for you?
What does being in porn-"love" mean for you?

Some further falling-in-porn-"love" concept instructions...or how for me it started in March 2008 when I wrote this on ebi:
dap-addict wrote:Maybe I have to disperse my thoughts after having lost my most recent porn girl I sort of fell in "love" with - the exotic looking Magyar cutie Kyra Black, but let me start a discussion about falling in porn-"love".

Most of us have their favorite porn girls (chris and angelito have Simony, kenbac has Bibi Fox, nylonlover Carla Cox etc) but how loyal and affected you are to them? How are your feelings? Have you sort of fallen in "love" with them?
:?: :?: :?:
What else does you bind to them?
Do you try to book a date with them (provided they escort)? Do you collect all their scenes?
How far goes your loyality? Are you jealous of their porn partners? Jealous of their bf?
And finally: What makes you quit that mood of haveing fallen in porn-"love"?



I know from nylonlovers tread that he really feels a strong emotional bound, me on the contrary I was always very promiscous in my porn-"love". I usually have about 20 girls at once I fellow - some of them long time favorites, some of them rookies entering my porn heart. Rather seldom it happens that I "fall" like I did for Kyra Black end of last year.

:arrow: Thanks for your answers!

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:07 pm
by laura.
Gosh I remember that post lol, we have both explored this concept before and we agree that 'porn love' does exist. Obviously in a fantasy way but I know exactly what you mean. My 'porn love' for Belle is pretty damn intense right now, sheer admiration for her. I have prolly had too many porn loves over the years and I should have matured enough to know better, but it's difficult to resist, isn't it? :o :rolleyes: x

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:44 pm
by danthefan73
dap-addict wrote:....
I start with falling in porn-"love" as I just really feel it happened and its ravageing! :o
This year I was in porn-"love" here with Karina Grand, Sandra Luberc, Ariadna...but now Belle Claire has put them all aside!
....


When the hot lady makes your cock like a rock, then it's only natural that you start to like her a lot.

And there is actually some physiological basis for this. Latest scientific research has found that the human body produces a surge of bonding hormones, such Oxytocin and others, during sex and orgasm. Which presumably includes masturbation. These bonding hormones affect your brain and make you like the lady you are focused on.

Of course, people's liking isn't entirely this simple or automatic. People also have some voluntary control over whom they choose to like. Which is what enables some religious extremists to turn their love into hate of porn-stars.

Liking porn-stars is natural for guys. But social upbringing and prejudice can turn such liking into hating.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:21 pm
by dap-addict
danthefan73 wrote:People also have some voluntary control over whom they choose to like. Which is what enables some religious extremists to turn their love into hate of porn-stars.
Liking porn-stars is natural for guys. But social upbringing and prejudice can turn such liking into hating.

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Are you talking about the bible belt anti-porners winning ground here, too, dan? Or what? :confused:

For me it was never hate my porn-"love" turned into. The strongest feeling was always a lasting sadness because I lost them due to plastic surgery and not another porn girl who simply won my heart and made me change. The strongest such feeling I had after Kyra Black got her new over-the-top inflated boobs, a rehap of that was this year with Sandra Luberc lips and boobs. But its not hate at all, just lost interest.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:58 pm
by danthefan73
dap-addict wrote: :confused:
Are you talking about the bible belt anti-porners winning ground here, too, dan? Or what? :confused:

For me it was never hate my porn-"love" turned into. The strongest feeling was always a lasting sadness because I lost them due to plastic surgery and not another porn girl who simply won my heart and made me change. The strongest such feeling I had after Kyra Black got her new over-the-top inflated boobs, a rehap of that was this year with Sandra Luberc lips and boobs. But its not hate at all, just lost interest.


Bible-belt anti-porners are definitely a part of what I'm talking about. But they are only a small part. Because porn is illegal in most countries of the world. Which is a relevant issue for a world-wide website, such as Legal Porno.

According to the alexa website, Legal Porno gets more visits from Pakistan, Algeria, and India than from any other country in the world. I can't post links in this forum, but if you google Alexa, then this website will be the first to come up. And then all you need to do is type in the Legal Porno url address into their search box to find where this website is most popular.

My point is that although it's natural for guys to like porn-stars, you can find plenty of guys who look down on porn-stars and might even commit sexual violence against them, if they met them in person. Violence against sex-workers is a problem in virtually every country in the world, even in countries where porn is legal. And I think such violence comes from social and religious upbringing that turns natural attraction and love into hate.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:51 pm
by dap-addict
Its a very serious subject you are talking about than, dan!
I think all we can do is live tolerance and strongly condem violence against sex workers like our porn girls but also escorts and streetwalkers of course in our places.
Attractive women enacting our sexual fantasies is naturally arousing, in some cultures its more and in some less explicit. But its a beautiful thing. Basta!


Btw, counter question: Have you ever fallen in porn-"love", dan? For whom? Why? What made you change your porn-"love" (if it did)?

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:57 am
by Anotherfine
On LP I like Ria Sunn and Maria Devine but I'm not in love with them or have any "feelings" and I'm not sure I'd there would be any point meeting them in real life as it would probably ruin the fantasy, Plus I don't think either of them speak English ;)

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:41 am
by pastaga
I'd say Susan Ayn, Jessi, and of course Arwen gold almost do that to me :D

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:54 am
by Helme
I could say falling in porn "love" with Savannah Secret
http://www.legalporno.com/model/2526/savannah_secret

And that i think have been the most emotional feeling. It started because she is from my country - Latvia, so i wanted to find out something more about her. I ended up chatting with her in facebook and skype. But she disappeared some time ago :(

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:19 pm
by laura.
Helme wrote:I could say falling in porn "love" with Savvah Secret
http://www.legalporno.com/model/2526/savannah_secret

And that i think have been the most emotional feeling. It started because she is from my country - Latvia, so i wanted to find out something more about her. I ended up chatting with her in facebook and skype. But she disappeared some time ago :(


Yeah she was a pretty girl, still your country has given us the gorgeous Jessi lately so all is not lost :) x

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:39 pm
by danthefan73
dap-addict wrote:Btw, counter question: Have you ever fallen in porn-"love", dan? For whom? Why? What made you change your porn-"love" (if it did)?


To some degree, I'm in love with all women, because that's my sexual orientation.

But of course, the degree to which I'm in love varies a lot from one woman to another, depending on her looks and her behavior with guys, including me.

I think it's natural for guys to be in love with many women and not just one. But social upbringing encourages people to have exclusive relationships. And this might be why some porn-fans focus their feelings on only one porn-star.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:49 pm
by dap-addict
Same for me in a way, dan. But I have always about 20 "new" girls (2013-15) and the same number of nostalgia girls (1992-2012) I porn-"love", than 2-5 I am sort f in porn-"love" and than the one and only one I really really crave for at the given moment. Currently its Belle Claire - since about 3-4 weeks.
The 3-5 are Ariadna, Linda Sweet, Irina Devil and maybe Arwen and Chloe Delaure. The one and only one concept is upbringing for sure, I guess most here have it. Thus this thread. ;)



pastaga wrote:I'd say Susan Ayn, Jessi, and of course Arwen gold almost do that to me :D

Maybe you misunderstand the thread concept, pastaga. :confused: Its not just "doing that to me", its about your feelings and your sense of loyality. Thus who and why?

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:12 pm
by laura.
Some interesting posts here guys,makes for good reading. I would be interested to see from a guys perspective as I know it I'll differ from my own but how much respect do you have for the girls? Do you view them as aesthetic vessels to turn you on or is it more than that? Is personality in a star attractive to you? Would you date a porn star? X

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:08 pm
by danthefan73
laura. wrote:Some interesting posts here guys,makes for good reading. I would be interested to see from a guys perspective as I know it I'll differ from my own but how much respect do you have for the girls? Do you view them as aesthetic vessels to turn you on or is it more than that? Is personality in a star attractive to you? Would you date a porn star? X


I'd say that society in general is biased against sex-workers, including porn-stars. The degree of this negative bias varies from one country to another. But virtually every country has it to some degree. This is where guys like myself usually start from, without even thinking about it.

I've been fortunate enough to meet and to get to know some sex-workers as dates, friends, and acquaintances. And from this experience I know that porn-stars are probably like this too. Because porn-stars are also sex-workers, who have sex for money with many guys.

To me, porn-stars are just women I especially like. And I know from my experience with women in general that not every woman I like would make a good friend or a good sex-partner for me.

I see myself as being similar to porn-stars, not in my looks or in my sex-life, but in terms of my morality and social status. Because I participate in what porn-stars do, when I watch their debauch with guys.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:22 pm
by dap-addict
danthefan73 wrote:I see myself as being similar to porn-stars, not in my looks or in my sex-life, but in terms of my morality and social status. Because I participate in what porn-stars do, when I watch their debauch with guys.

Now thats a very intersting notion!
I fight against this prejudicing for years, also in forums, also against all those who always write about "whores", "bitches" etc in a way looking down on these girls insead of thinking in freedom and liberation concepts, liberation from christian gult moral culture, from chauvinism,from anti-porn propaganda.
Just the question still remains, how does this belong here in that falling in porn-"love" thread? :confused:
Maybe at least mention an LP girl you really somehow like a lot...!

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:35 pm
by laura.
danthefan73 wrote:
laura. wrote:Some interesting posts here guys,makes for good reading. I would be interested to see from a guys perspective as I know it I'll differ from my own but how much respect do you have for the girls? Do you view them as aesthetic vessels to turn you on or is it more than that? Is personality in a star attractive to you? Would you date a porn star? X


I'd say that society in general is biased against sex-workers, including porn-stars. The degree of this negative bias varies from one country to another. But virtually every country has it to some degree. This is where guys like myself usually start from, without even thinking about it.

I've been fortunate enough to meet and to get to know some sex-workers as dates, friends, and acquaintances. And from this experience I know that porn-stars are probably like this too. Because porn-stars are also sex-workers, who have sex for money with many guys.

To me, porn-stars are just women I especially like. And I know from my experience with women in general that not every woman I like would make a good friend or a good sex-partner for me.

I see myself as being similar to porn-stars, not in my looks or in my sex-life, but in terms of my morality and social status. Because I participate in what porn-stars do, when I watch their debauch with guys.


And it's the bias which I find in modern day Britain for instance truly nonsensical. Propped up by an almost Victorian ethos. Not forgetting that prostitution is still a crime and that porn still carries a huge stigma!

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:25 pm
by danthefan73
dap-addict wrote:Maybe at least mention an LP girl you really somehow like a lot...!


I really like the looks of so many women at Legal Porno that I can't possibly mention them all.

And it's not just about the looks. Because the lady's good looks don't do much for me, until I see her enjoy a good anal and DP.

A lady by the name of Natalee, also knowns as Crissy Curves, is someone I'd like to see more of in Legal Porno anal scenes. I think she has an especially good-looking ass.

Queen-Brittany, on the current front-page of Legal Porno, turned me off a little with her red, pushed out anal prolapse. But then I saw her nice smile in her other screenshots, and now I like her a lot too.

Angel Karyna might not be the best-looking lady on the current front-page, but she is so good at taking anal guys balls-deep inside her nice ass that this in itself makes me like her a lot. She is good in bed with guys. And this is something to like about any pretty lady.

I like different ladies for different reasons. And that's why I like virtually every lady I see at Legal Porno.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:12 pm
by magizi877
This thread got really interesting.

When I was single I used to fantasize a lot about Stacy Snake, Roxy Jezel and Lela Star. I never felt the need to establish communication though. But it qualifies as porn love I think.

The way they look getting fucked and the energy in each encounter is pretty much how I idealized sexual relationships should be. It was also the biggest reason why I started working out. Cause people with normal physique are just missing out all the fun. Giggles.

I grabbed inspiration from the likes of Rocco, Kid and Nacho. And currently from Mike Angelo. I still find porn a lot of fun to watch and even educational.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:30 pm
by laura.
magizi87 wrote:This thread got really interesting.

When I was single I used to fantasize a lot about Stacy Snake, Roxy Jezel and Lela Star. I never felt the need to establish communication though. But it qualifies as porn love I think.

The way they look getting fucked and the energy in each encounter is pretty much how I idealized sexual relationships should be. It was also the biggest reason why I started working out. Cause people with normal physique are just missing out all the fun. Giggles.

I grabbed inspiration from the likes of Rocco, Kid and Nacho. And currently from Mike Angelo. I still find porn a lot of fun to watch and even educational.


Well if you are taking your cues from those guys I bet your wife/girlfriend/significant other is one fulfilled lady tho I shudder to think what your poor neighbours may think lol :eek: x

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:25 pm
by Anotherfine
To answers Laura's question I just see the women as doing a job a fun job (sometimes) but just a job and its certainly not reality and I doubt there are many with a strong enough personality to date a porn star

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:37 pm
by magizi877
I can't really imagine dating a woman who is traveling all the time. I would hardly call that a friendship. Plus I'm the jealous type. It would never work.

And that's without considering that I'm a huge nerd, I love motorcycling and I don't believe in a personal God. All of those really narrow down the type of girl I like. because she has to be similar to me.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:24 pm
by Cynewulf30
I think there is already a word to describe your feelings and it is lust. Love only happens with someone you actually know.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:29 pm
by Iddaoeeok
In that case, I am head over heels in lust with Miss Linda Sweet :D

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:33 pm
by magizi877
I think op used quotation marks for the word love to expresses he doesn't mean "real" love...

Just saying.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:00 am
by dap-addict
Exactly!
Thanks, magizi87! :)

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:23 am
by pastaga
pastaga wrote:I'd say Susan Ayn, Jessi, and of course Arwen gold almost do that to me :D

And I forgot the cute Leona Levi :)

And to answer Laura, yes, I would totally date a girl who does porn. But that wouldn't be the only reason.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:01 am
by dap-addict
Me, too!
Not that I would expect the best sex I ever had dating a girl, but I'd just really like to try it. Of course I know it would be a very demanding experience, emotionally as well as in terms of organisation (frequent travelling, health hazards etc). I rather see it as a missing experience in life, something worth to try out still.


Btw, good question, laura! Thanks! :)
For pastaga: Thanks, too, you answered my question, too! And I see we are in the same boat - with different girls except Arwen. ;)

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:16 am
by Seraph0257
Nikita Bellucci, Gina Gerson, Tina Hot, Ariadna, Nina Heaven, and Victoria Daniels are just a few of the girls from here, mostly Nikita, Victoria and Nina though.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:18 am
by Seraph0257
magizi87 wrote:I think op used quotation marks for the word love to expresses he doesn't mean "real" love...

Just saying.


I dont think I would have a problem with "real" love with any of the LP girls. :D

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:19 am
by laura.
Interesting responses guys, thanks. I would expect that once you were comfortable with the element of them having sex as a profession there would be no more barriers, kind of the ultimate open relationship. For me knowing that my guy whether that would be a porn stud or not was giving out love and affection would concern and hurt me more than the mechanical act of sex. At least with porn you know it is about pure sex and not 'love making'! Xx

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:33 am
by dap-addict
I think this is the crucial part, its just a job, just sex for money.
Of course it would be very demanding and difficult in a relationship with a porn girl, also just thinking of the pauses she needs after an anal on-set shot for instance, limits sex at home practically of course. Not sure given the chance I would choose to date one of my current porn loves, though. ;)

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:56 am
by Cynewulf30
Seraph0257 wrote:
magizi87 wrote:I think op used quotation marks for the word love to expresses he doesn't mean "real" love...

Just saying.


I dont think I would have a problem with "real" love with any of the LP girls. :D


I don't see how you can say that without knowing them as individuals, i have meet a few girls who i have found sexually attractive looks wise but as a person they were fucking horrible,but i would still have had sex with them.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:31 pm
by Helme
laura. wrote:
Helme wrote:I could say falling in porn "love" with Savvah Secret
http://www.legalporno.com/model/2526/savannah_secret

And that i think have been the most emotional feeling. It started because she is from my country - Latvia, so i wanted to find out something more about her. I ended up chatting with her in facebook and skype. But she disappeared some time ago :(


Yeah she was a pretty girl, still your country has given us the gorgeous Jessi lately so all is not lost :) x


Hehe yes. Also Viola Bailey (sad she didn't shoot for LP) and some other. Do Jessi have [spam] account, i saw u reposting her selfies.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:39 pm
by laura.
Helme wrote:
laura. wrote:
Helme wrote:I could say falling in porn "love" with Savvah Secret
http://www.legalporno.com/model/2526/savannah_secret

And that i think have been the most emotional feeling. It started because she is from my country - Latvia, so i wanted to find out something more about her. I ended up chatting with her in facebook and skype. But she disappeared some time ago :(


Yeah she was a pretty girl, still your country has given us the gorgeous Jessi lately so all is not lost :) x


Hehe yes. Also Viola Bailey (sad she didn't shoot for LP) and some other. Do Jessi have [spam] account, i saw u reposting her selfies.


Yeah she does, if you go to her thread there is a link to it, she's called Vlada I think?. Gotta love her selfies :o x

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:06 pm
by danthefan73
laura. wrote:....
For me knowing that my guy whether that would be a porn stud or not was giving out love and affection would concern and hurt me more than the mechanical act of sex. At least with porn you know it is about pure sex and not 'love making'! Xx


I think it's a myth that people can have 'pure sex', without any feelings for each other. Because attraction itself is a feeling, and it's necessary for the guy to have an erection.

There are aways feelings involved. It's just a matter of how strong those feelings become. If the sex is really good, and it lasts for a long time, then this will lead to stronger feelings, than when the sex is bad, or when the sex doesn't last long. Having sex with the same lady again and again also leads to stronger feelings.

This I know not only from my own experience but also from the way human sexual physiology normally works.

Recent research studies have found that the human body normally produces bonding hormones such Oxytocin and others during affection, sex, and orgasm. These hormones influence the person's brain and the feelings he or she has for his or her partner. And the amount of these hormones produced depends on how good the sex and the affection is and how long it lasts. These hormones literally change people's brains and their feelings for each other. Doing it only one time usually is not be enough to produce a permanent change. But doing it repeatedly with the same partner over days, weeks, and months does produce a permanent change.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:08 pm
by laura.
I can see what you are saying and you convey things very coherently and admit that casual encounters even as one offs involve Elements of affection but in a porn context do you not think that the performers are almost self coached in a way that shuts down these emotions and therefore it purely becomes a mechanical act? I dunno, I am no psychological expert on these matters and you provide a more biological analysis than I do x

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:44 pm
by magizi877
In my weird way to see the world, the thing people call love, in an ever lasting relationship between two people of different sex, is not a feeling, but a decision.

IMO people who conduct their life based on emotions will always fail at marriage. I just can't see it working based entirely upon hormones (read; lust).

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:09 pm
by danthefan73
laura. wrote:I can see what you are saying and you convey things very coherently and admit that casual encounters even as one offs involve Elements of affection but in a porn context do you not think that the performers are almost self coached in a way that shuts down these emotions and therefore it purely becomes a mechanical act? I dunno, I am no psychological expert on these matters and you provide a more biological analysis than I do x


From my own experience I would say that just to get an erection going for a pretty lady I like, I need to think of her in a way that involves some feelings for her. I don't always act on such feelings. Because the situation might not be appropriate for that. But the potential for love and friendship is certainly there, every time I get have sex with a lady I like.

And I'm saying this from my personal experience. Because I've had opportunities in the past to have sex with women I've just met. We didn't know much about each other at all. And we didn't have any commitment to each other either. Which was a similar situation to that of porn-stars in their porn-scenes.

It's possible for guys to suppress their feelings and not act on them. But this is like controlling yourself and preventing human nature from taking its course. And perhaps it's like this for porn-stars in their scenes. They learn to control their feelings.

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:06 pm
by Vijaysinh_Solanki
magizi87 wrote:In my weird way to see the world, the thing people call love, in an ever lasting relationship between two people of different sex, is not a feeling, but a decision.

IMO people who conduct their life based on emotions will always fail at marriage. I just can't see it working based entirely upon hormones (read; lust).

Re: Falling in porn-"love" with LP girls

PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 1:22 am
by Seraph0257
Cynewulf30 wrote:
Seraph0257 wrote:
magizi87 wrote:I think op used quotation marks for the word love to expresses he doesn't mean "real" love...

Just saying.


I dont think I would have a problem with "real" love with any of the LP girls. :D


I don't see how you can say that without knowing them as individuals, i have meet a few girls who i have found sexually attractive looks wise but as a person they were fucking horrible,but i would still have had sex with them.


OK...

I would have to get to know them first, I meant that I wouldn't have a problem with them based on the job they have.