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Re: LP studio Fairness in passing on investments to users

Postby Junior_oliveira_JuniorOlvr » Mon May 23, 2022 2:46 pm

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PAFstudio wrote:mean the price for the performance of the models...

Ok, now I understand, thanks! :)
Yes, strange, Oscar must pay smaller model fees (=cachet) in Brasil than you pay in Prague, still he seems to have problems to invest money in additional studs. Maybe his problem is rather that he has too little money left to invest upfront in scene. If so it would not be connected with any recent PB changes at all. :confused:
Oscar problem with DP and DAP shootings would be than more connected with his personal business situation? Maybe because of inflation? Or over-investment to get Mambo Perv. studio running at first place.

PAF be glad you have a 3rd investor in Italy! :cool:


You are again talking about things you don't understand. I think Jack has spoken to another PB producer in Brazil who actually is more experienced and produced mostly gangbang scenes.
His situation is not better than mine. When you are a gringo in a Brazil, you should forget about paying cheaper things or staying in cheaper places. Any foreigners living in Brazil know what I am talking about.


If you can't find girls who work for the local currency then the problem is with you, not the other way around. But as you said you don't recommend going to other places for "safety" you must know Brazil more than the Brazilians themselves, right...

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Re: LP studio Fairness in passing on investments to users

Postby Oscar Batty » Mon May 23, 2022 3:13 pm

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dap-addict wrote:Ok, now I understand, thanks! :)
Yes, strange, Oscar must pay smaller model fees (=cachet) in Brasil than you pay in Prague, still he seems to have problems to invest money in additional studs. Maybe his problem is rather that he has too little money left to invest upfront in scene. If so it would not be connected with any recent PB changes at all. :confused:
Oscar problem with DP and DAP shootings would be than more connected with his personal business situation? Maybe because of inflation? Or over-investment to get Mambo Perv. studio running at first place.

PAF be glad you have a 3rd investor in Italy! :cool:


You are again talking about things you don't understand. I think Jack has spoken to another PB producer in Brazil who actually is more experienced and produced mostly gangbang scenes.
His situation is not better than mine. When you are a gringo in a Brazil, you should forget about paying cheaper things or staying in cheaper places. Any foreigners living in Brazil know what I am talking about.


If you can't find girls who work for the local currency then the problem is with you, not the other way around. But as you said you don't recommend going to other places for "safety" you must know Brazil more than the Brazilians themselves, right...


99% of people that I work with here are locals and some of them have been in the porn business in Brazil for more than 20 years.

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Re: LP studio Fairness in passing on investments to users

Postby Oscar Batty » Mon May 23, 2022 3:28 pm

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Btw, I think this sort of belongs here yes, because also 1on1 is investment which has to be passed on to end user ideally in a fair and transparent way. I mentioned already 1on1 price differences @ AGO today in an earlier post. AGO 1on1 I see as an example of apparently pretty fair investment passing on in TKT price.
This said generally my impression is that 1on1 are overpriced with most studios compared with mini-gangbangs (up to 5on1), lest at Mambo Perv, actually. :confused:


What really justify this statement? Can you back it up with some data? My DP and DAP scenes are actually cheaper than other studios, even compared to dry versions.

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Re: LP studio Fairness in passing on investments to users

Postby dap-addict » Mon May 23, 2022 10:14 pm

dap-addict wrote: This said generally my impression is that 1on1 are overpriced with most studios compared with mini-gangbangs (up to 5on1), lest at Mambo Perv, actually. :confused:

Oscar, please some more goodwill reading my posts: We are almost all not native speakers here, but 'lest' means 'without', 'but not', 'not counting', i.e. my statement: 1on1 at almost all studios are overpriced, but not at Mambo Perv.
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Re: LP studio Fairness in passing on investments to users

Postby dap-addict » Mon May 23, 2022 10:23 pm

Oscar Batty wrote:You are again talking about things you don't understand. I think Jack has spoken to another PB producer in Brazil who actually is more experienced and produced mostly gangbang scenes.

Oscar, here I got lost maybe. I think your original quote about DP ad DAP was in another thread. I'll look it up later. But again, I really dont mean bad, I just dont understand all. Would you mind to explain us what speaks against shooting DP and DAP in Brasil for Mambo Perc currently? I guess it might be linked to the ticket devaluation of mid April, but I am not sure. :confused: If so, than why that for your studio? What changed on the ground for you as a content producer.



Btw, 3rd, about a gringo price and a local price I agree. Its sure an uphill battle in Brasil for you, also because their porn looked always quite exclusive circle for inside market. But this said, me I simply dont know anything about porn in Rio, I know much more about porn in Prague, which is my reference point since most AVLP are shooting there. Thus all you can explain to me about Brasil is most welcome! :)
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Re: LP studio Fairness in passing on investments to users

Postby dap-addict » Mon May 23, 2022 10:34 pm

Oscar Batty wrote:You are again talking about things you don't understand. I think Jack has spoken to another PB producer in Brazil who actually is more experienced and produced mostly gangbang scenes.

Oscar, here I got lost maybe. I think your original quote about DP ad DAP was in another thread. I'll look it up later. But again, I really dont mean bad.[/quote]

Ok, I have that quote and now I see Oscar already explained a lot. Maybe I just did again not understand anything at all? :confused: ;) Quote from closed thread here: viewtopic.php?f=96&t=41496&p=650966#p650966
Oscar Batty wrote:Here I will talk about myself, I have significally reduced the price of my DP and DAP scenes, the end result are very bad which is the reason I am not more releasing DP or DAP scenes, investing money in finding new girls able to record anal and I stopped producing DAP/DP scenes till I have till I adapt myself to the new system which at the moment I think favorise best the big studios with a lot of old scenes....


Thus - if I understand this right - Oscars halt of DP and DAP production is linked to ticket devaluation of April 11th, which makes planning for small studio like Mambo Perv very difficult for forecasting turnout and financial performance of DP and DAP scenes.
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Re: LP studio Fairness in passing on investments to users

Postby dap-addict » Mon May 23, 2022 11:05 pm

To summarize: I think this is solved between me and Oscar. I understand why he has to hold back more cash intensive productions before a point he is able to forsee sales again. Its bad news for me as a DAP-addicted porn user of course. But it is as it is. :(

Thus maybe after all my devaluation uneasiness and while finally getting a grip in that info and speculation wars why prices for end users had to rise in Spring latest, now I can get back to my very old against endangering DAP-productions. ;)
Long ago it was softcore moves of gonzo by Luis, now its lack of sales forecasts. Its already better 'cause DAP would still get produced, the will to do it is here. :)


Back to OP idea: If I feel studios investment is transparently and fairly passed on to me as end user I am ready to pay even 15tkt for a good DAP. Thinking of Khali Noir for instance, Oscar. ;)
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Postby zeusanalfreak299 » Tue May 24, 2022 2:55 am

PAFstudio wrote:I'll explain why it's better to have a meeting and put a strict rule to respect and collaborate... came to work with us a girl from Brazil made a scene and after one of the studios that I do not tell you the name he deleted 3 scenes because she came to us, it is a year that this person is envious and tries to sabotage me I decided to contact him and ask for explanations of why this girl cries and why you deleted 3 scenes the girls and boys must be free are not your property ... and he replied "the girls who are here and come to the Czech Republic you do not have to use them, find actresses from the USA" so now what I have to do? I have go to him let him full of kick in the ass and slap him because is to much stupid this answer, but if I do this shit after him talk with the oner and after someone text us "This Behavior is not acceptable " ok but is it acceptable that he blackmails people and tells me that girls in the Czech Republic should not touch them? And I asked him and if not what do you do to mister Al Capone And he blocked me... his actors are afraid of not having work if they come to me and the actresses as well, and therefore if no one does justice, a collaboration is not created and it is right that there are blackmail and threats because I should be punished if I slap this moron who does not know how to be in the world and does not respect society, and I also defend the rights of this girl... there must be a balance to everything to solve the problem for good for everyone, that's why we decided this is to stupid to do the real good solution is not react with other ignorance but WE HAVE TO MAKE A BIG COLLABORATION AND FINDE A GOOD SOLUTIONS FOR GAIN ALL WITHOUT PROBLEMS AND OTHER STUPID THINGS, no wars but peace and collaboration like normal people, thank you let me know and sorry for my English


It seems that a lot of political shit is happening and we consumers don't know anything about that. Which is bad. I think it would be great to name all the people who play wrong in this business. Consumers can heavily influence the situation and boycott studios for a good reason if they really are involved in all the actions you wrote about. That would be only fair and would link to a change management process.

I mean, let's be honest, I want as a consumer as much scenes as possible with a model I like. I don't care about the fact that some studios and producers have a problem with that or see a threat in that. This is their fucking problem. It should not influence the overall industry or other studios. And I think it's also against the concept and idea of AV and not in the interest of xxx.

So in my opinion, everyone who want every model or male actor exclusively for his own should instantly go bankrupt and gain a heavily shitstorm. Everyone else would benefit from it. All the studios who play fair, all models and we, the consumers.

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Re: LP studio Fairness in passing on investments to users

Postby Oscar Batty » Tue May 24, 2022 4:36 am

dap-addict wrote:
dap-addict wrote: This said generally my impression is that 1on1 are overpriced with most studios compared with mini-gangbangs (up to 5on1), lest at Mambo Perv, actually. :confused:

Oscar, please some more goodwill reading my posts: We are almost all not native speakers here, but 'lest' means 'without', 'but not', 'not counting', i.e. my statement: 1on1 at almost all studios are overpriced, but not at Mambo Perv.


so you meant "least" ? Sorry for misinterpreting you then.

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Postby cumdump » Tue May 24, 2022 5:19 am

dap-addict wrote:To summarize: I think this is solved between me and Oscar. I understand why he has to hold back more cash intensive productions before a point he is able to forsee sales again. Its bad news for me as a DAP-addicted porn user of course. But it is as it is. :(


ohhhh, you are not kidding with your name DAP Addict for real, wow. What is it you love about DAP so much?

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Re: LP studio Fairness in passing on investments to users

Postby PAFstudio » Tue May 24, 2022 6:28 am

zeusanalfreak299 wrote:
PAFstudio wrote:I'll explain why it's better to have a meeting and put a strict rule to respect and collaborate... came to work with us a girl from Brazil made a scene and after one of the studios that I do not tell you the name he deleted 3 scenes because she came to us, it is a year that this person is envious and tries to sabotage me I decided to contact him and ask for explanations of why this girl cries and why you deleted 3 scenes the girls and boys must be free are not your property ... and he replied "the girls who are here and come to the Czech Republic you do not have to use them, find actresses from the USA" so now what I have to do? I have go to him let him full of kick in the ass and slap him because is to much stupid this answer, but if I do this shit after him talk with the oner and after someone text us "This Behavior is not acceptable " ok but is it acceptable that he blackmails people and tells me that girls in the Czech Republic should not touch them? And I asked him and if not what do you do to mister Al Capone And he blocked me... his actors are afraid of not having work if they come to me and the actresses as well, and therefore if no one does justice, a collaboration is not created and it is right that there are blackmail and threats because I should be punished if I slap this moron who does not know how to be in the world and does not respect society, and I also defend the rights of this girl... there must be a balance to everything to solve the problem for good for everyone, that's why we decided this is to stupid to do the real good solution is not react with other ignorance but WE HAVE TO MAKE A BIG COLLABORATION AND FINDE A GOOD SOLUTIONS FOR GAIN ALL WITHOUT PROBLEMS AND OTHER STUPID THINGS, no wars but peace and collaboration like normal people, thank you let me know and sorry for my English


It seems that a lot of political shit is happening and we consumers don't know anything about that. Which is bad. I think it would be great to name all the people who play wrong in this business. Consumers can heavily influence the situation and boycott studios for a good reason if they really are involved in all the actions you wrote about. That would be only fair and would link to a change management process.

I mean, let's be honest, I want as a consumer as much scenes as possible with a model I like. I don't care about the fact that some studios and producers have a problem with that or see a threat in that. This is their fucking problem. It should not influence the overall industry or other studios. And I think it's also against the concept and idea of AV and not in the interest of xxx.

So in my opinion, everyone who want every model or male actor exclusively for his own should instantly go bankrupt and gain a heavily shitstorm. Everyone else would benefit from it. All the studios who play fair, all models and we, the consumers.

AMEN!!! unfortunately I think there would be very few lol... for this reason we wanted instead to propose a big collaboration to give everyone the opportunity to be happy and put a stone on it, but I see it hard friend, we have grasped the message, Totonno has said many truths even if he has avoided in my opinion to make other names, but it is better this way, unfortunately if it should not be stopped and sets a mandatory rule if you want to produce here on PB will become a cancer this problem... And there is a lot of competition that hopes for the evil of this site and it is unacceptable, the lords of blackmail and ignorance do not realize that they are damaging the image and creating such a big problem that it will really harm us all ... unfortunately I have no way to talk to xxx and I do not know if it would take me into consideration, but I think maybe only us and someone else really interests in saving this website and increasing the bisness, if there was a big collaborative system no competitionAnd there is a lot of competition that hopes for the evil of this site and it is unacceptable, the lords of blackmail and ignorance do not realize that they are damaging the image and creating such a big problem that it will really harm us all ... unfortunately I have no way to talk to xxx and I do not know if it would take me into consideration, but I think maybe only us and someone else really interests in saving this website and increasing the bisness, if there was a big collaborative system No competition could say anything, they have to understand that all this crap is not personal but reflects against PB and against other innocent studies... this is not knowing how to do business, idiots make useless wars

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Re: LP studio Fairness in passing on investments to users

Postby PAFstudio » Tue May 24, 2022 6:32 am

zeusanalfreak299 wrote:
PAFstudio wrote:I'll explain why it's better to have a meeting and put a strict rule to respect and collaborate... came to work with us a girl from Brazil made a scene and after one of the studios that I do not tell you the name he deleted 3 scenes because she came to us, it is a year that this person is envious and tries to sabotage me I decided to contact him and ask for explanations of why this girl cries and why you deleted 3 scenes the girls and boys must be free are not your property ... and he replied "the girls who are here and come to the Czech Republic you do not have to use them, find actresses from the USA" so now what I have to do? I have go to him let him full of kick in the ass and slap him because is to much stupid this answer, but if I do this shit after him talk with the oner and after someone text us "This Behavior is not acceptable " ok but is it acceptable that he blackmails people and tells me that girls in the Czech Republic should not touch them? And I asked him and if not what do you do to mister Al Capone And he blocked me... his actors are afraid of not having work if they come to me and the actresses as well, and therefore if no one does justice, a collaboration is not created and it is right that there are blackmail and threats because I should be punished if I slap this moron who does not know how to be in the world and does not respect society, and I also defend the rights of this girl... there must be a balance to everything to solve the problem for good for everyone, that's why we decided this is to stupid to do the real good solution is not react with other ignorance but WE HAVE TO MAKE A BIG COLLABORATION AND FINDE A GOOD SOLUTIONS FOR GAIN ALL WITHOUT PROBLEMS AND OTHER STUPID THINGS, no wars but peace and collaboration like normal people, thank you let me know and sorry for my English


It seems that a lot of political shit is happening and we consumers don't know anything about that. Which is bad. I think it would be great to name all the people who play wrong in this business. Consumers can heavily influence the situation and boycott studios for a good reason if they really are involved in all the actions you wrote about. That would be only fair and would link to a change management process.

I mean, let's be honest, I want as a consumer as much scenes as possible with a model I like. I don't care about the fact that some studios and producers have a problem with that or see a threat in that. This is their fucking problem. It should not influence the overall industry or other studios. And I think it's also against the concept and idea of AV and not in the interest of xxx.

So in my opinion, everyone who want every model or male actor exclusively for his own should instantly go bankrupt and gain a heavily shitstorm. Everyone else would benefit from it. All the studios who play fair, all models and we, the consumers.

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AMEN!!! unfortunately I think there would be very few lol... for this reason we wanted instead to propose a big collaboration to give everyone the opportunity to be happy and put a stone on it, but I see it hard friend, we have grasped the message, Totonno has said many truths even if he has avoided in my opinion to make other names, but it is better this way, unfortunately if it should not be stopped and sets a mandatory rule if you want to produce here on PB will become a cancer this problem... And there is a lot of competition that hopes for the evil of this site and it is unacceptable, the lords of blackmail and ignorance do not realize that they are damaging the image and creating such a big problem that it will really harm us all ...
unfortunately I have no way to talk to xxx and I do not know if it would take me into consideration, but I think maybe only us and someone else really interests in saving this website and increasing the bisness, if there was a big collaborative system No competition could say anything, they have to understand that all this crap is not personal but reflects against PB and against other innocent studies... this is not knowing how to do business, idiots make useless wars

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Postby dap-addict » Tue May 24, 2022 7:48 am

PAFstudio wrote:I'll explain why it's better to have a meeting and put a strict rule to respect and collaborate... came to work with us a girl from Brazil made a scene and after one of the studios that I do not tell you the name he deleted 3 scenes because she came to us

What means to delete 3 scenes with her?
i.e. you wanna say that other studio booked her, but than called those bookings off because the girl had worked for you first? Or did that studio shoot 3 scenes with that Brasilian girl and than destroy all the footage? 2nd option would be very strange. :confused:
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Postby PAFstudio » Tue May 24, 2022 12:31 pm

dap-addict wrote:
PAFstudio wrote:I'll explain why it's better to have a meeting and put a strict rule to respect and collaborate... came to work with us a girl from Brazil made a scene and after one of the studios that I do not tell you the name he deleted 3 scenes because she came to us

What means to delete 3 scenes with her?
i.e. you wanna say that other studio booked her, but than called those bookings off because the girl had worked for you first? Or did that studio shoot 3 scenes with that Brasilian girl and than destroy all the footage? 2nd option would be very strange. :confused:

Haha No already the first option is idiotic, the second option would deserve a prize for the best dumb 2022 lol
Him deleted 3 scenes after she came to us...And they almost all do so, Where is the clever move in this? In addition to having lost 3 scenes with a great artist? I have read certain absurd messages, do you know why no one has the courage to dispute the opposite? Because you will never find blackmail on our part and they have so many skeletons in the closet, but then the thing that makes you laugh is that when they see you around they lower their heads and change their path hoping that you do not see them ... what courageous compliments blackmailing people who need work and can not react makes you strong, instead you are just a waste of society that feels insecure and know the limits for make good scene and for this sabotage us, They also tried to make us destroy from the inside, but we screwed it before, we are used to dealing with cunning and scammers, we grew up in poverty and we met bastards that's why you are not going well the attempt and we are sending them all back to their with their head down, for this we fight for have collaboration and not wars and we don't blackmail no one, of course the Performer has to give us respect but is free to Choose, and after our scene their can go everywhere, this have sense

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Postby dap-addict » Wed May 25, 2022 7:00 pm

PAFstudio wrote:Him deleted 3 scenes after she came to us...And they almost all do so

I still dont understand what he did. :confused:

Are you talking about her and this scene?
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Postby dap-addict » Wed May 25, 2022 7:04 pm

edit: If yes, I think she worked with all Prague studios except gonzo maybe when she was in Prague few months ago. The only thing I wondered why only 1 scene with PAF and with other studios 2-3 scenes...
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Postby PAFstudio » Wed May 25, 2022 11:18 pm

dap-addict wrote:edit: If yes, I think she worked with all Prague studios except gonzo maybe when she was in Prague few months ago. The only thing I wondered why only 1 scene with PAF and with other studios 2-3 scenes...

I can not tell you names but it is not Gonzo go quiet they are very professional, I can not make you the names because they are not information that would lead instead to have a collaboration, My intent is to make you understand one of the reasons why it is right to put rules to be respected, otherwise it becomes the wild far west, And it's stupid as what creates problems for the whole bisness... think how many advantages there would also be to pay for the trip from America to an actress if we divided the travel costs and give a package scenes to the girl and then it would be good for you to have more different scenes, but it will never happen I think, we have proposed see the future what will reserve for the moment we focus with our forces to always offer you quality films, this is our priority, It is useless to talk about these topics again...thank you

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Postby zeusanalfreak299 » Thu May 26, 2022 12:19 am

PAFstudio, I recommend you to use an online translator (example: https://www.deepl.com/translator). I think you could express better what you want to say us. I don´t know if I´m the only one, but I havent understood everything what you wrote.

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Postby PAFstudio » Thu May 26, 2022 12:25 am

zeusanalfreak299 wrote:PAFstudio, I recommend you to use an online translator (example: https://www.deepl.com/translator). I think you could express better what you want to say us. I don´t know if I´m the only one, but I havent understood everything what you wrote.

I know I'm so sorry for this, other problem is for automatic corrector from the telephone

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Re: LP studio Fairness in passing on investments to users

Postby cumdump » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:55 am

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Starrio wrote:And the cost of the scene was fair

Lets better put it like this: It was a nice price. :)
Now was it fair is at this very moment difficult to judge. Gonzo obviously tries to apply xxx suggestion to lowe prices in $$ as to lower TKT prices. This is nice for users ofc, but might be a test phase only to sound the market. Because given prices in $ were fair before lower prices asked now must be compensated with much higher number of items sold to make this work out fine for the studio. Or they have massive cash left to sort of subsidize scenes sold under fairly passed on investment prices. Or they have shot all these before April 11th and calculated with old prices. :confused:

Is this in some way possible? To subsidize scenes?

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Postby dap-addict » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:25 am

What are you asking about exactly? :confused:
Scenes are and were subsidized all the time. Better selling girls subsidized rookie girls for instance. Or currently at GIO local EU girls sort of subsidize Colombian and US-imports. At their huge travel costs their scenes would be well over 12tkt if passed on straight to user. But what we see is their prices put in line with all prices for same genre, we see it more clear with Colombian girls actually whose flight tickets Medellin-Prague cost a hell a lot.
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Postby cumdump » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:36 am

dap-addict wrote:What are you asking about exactly? :confused:
Scenes are and were subsidized all the time. Better selling girls subsidized rookie girls for instance. Or currently at GIO local EU girls sort of subsidize Colombian and US-imports. At their huge travel costs their scenes would be well over 12tkt if passed on straight to user. But what we see is their prices put in line with all prices for same genre, we see it more clear with Colombian girls actually whose flight tickets Medellin-Prague cost a hell a lot.

yes but subsidized by whom then?

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Postby dap-addict » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:58 am

By all porn users buying scenes of other girls of the same studio.
Still not sure what you are about? :confused:
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Postby Alan2008 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:33 pm

zeusanalfreak299 wrote:PAFstudio, I recommend you to use an online translator (example: https://www.deepl.com/translator). I think you could express better what you want to say us. I don´t know if I´m the only one, but I havent understood everything what you wrote.


Yes sorry PAFstudio it is difficult to understand your post. Good advice zeus.

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Taken this thread also for conversion effect updates, 10 weeks after tkt to $ conversion change rate it looks like PAF, Mambo Perv and N&F studio have gone pretty dead. Also NRX seems to struggle quite a bit.

Strange enough apart from N&F all studios mentioned looked like they had pretty 'fair' prices still. Might be that one intended effect of that sudden mid April change was the elimination of new smaller studios basically imitation GIO/gonzo?
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Postby Ultra-Gape » Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:39 am

dap-addict wrote:Taken this thread also for conversion effect updates, 10 weeks after tkt to $ conversion change rate it looks like PAF, Mambo Perv and N&F studio have gone pretty dead. Also NRX seems to struggle quite a bit.


How are you judging this?

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Just check their scene release output for Jan, Feb, March, April, Mai and June 2022!
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dap-addict wrote:Just check their scene release output for Jan, Feb, March, April, Mai and June 2022!


So number of scenes released? I wasn't sure if you were going by sales, or may even have had some inside knowledge as to how the studios were doing financially. Producing fewer scenes makes sense with customers able to buy fewer for the same amount of ticket/money as before.

Given the nature of this thread it should perhaps be highlighted that NRX continue to have a reasonably priced membership option.

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Postby YumYum74 » Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:35 am

dap-addict wrote:Taken this thread also for conversion effect updates, 10 weeks after tkt to $ conversion change rate it looks like PAF, Mambo Perv and N&F studio have gone pretty dead. Also NRX seems to struggle quite a bit.

Strange enough apart from N&F all studios mentioned looked like they had pretty 'fair' prices still. Might be that one intended effect of that sudden mid April change was the elimination of new smaller studios basically imitation GIO/gonzo?
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I hate to say I told you so, but… :confused:

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Postby dap-addict » Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:05 pm

What do you mean by this, Yum? :confused:
We had many speculations but not the dying of small studios as far as I remember.
Although there were so many theories and explanations I got lost a bit meanwhile - and only good quality with good girls save the day for me nowadays. ;)
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Postby davebowman » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:25 pm

I've not really been buying much since the big price increase/ticket devaluation stuff, but in terms of pricing Gonzo looks like it's one of the best value studios at the moment.

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Postby YumYum74 » Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:28 pm

dap-addict wrote:What do you mean by this, Yum? :confused:
We had many speculations but not the dying of small studios as far as I remember.
Although there were so many theories and explanations I got lost a bit meanwhile - and only good quality with good girls save the day for me nowadays. ;)


Perhaps I discussed that particular point in a Tw chat with someone instead of here on this forum. But my point is that I feel this was inevitable. You can’t just change these things and not expect smaller studios to suffer. They don’t have the same financial possibilities as the bigger ones. So when they suddenly see their sales take a plunge (like I recall PAF mentioning, and I think Florane also made a remark lamenting this change), they get into trouble immediately. Hard for them to fight that, because they basically didn’t change their prices (it just became more expensive for us so less people bought the scenes).

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Postby dap-addict » Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:46 pm

This xxx comment here made me actually just grab all old terms fair priced DAPs left @ gonzo:
xxx wrote:We actually decreased our prices at Gonzo when we adjusted the TKT conversion and it was disastrous. We just can't turn a profit with lower prices which means Omar is demotivated (he gets a cut of the profits) and we aren't shooting anything.

Add to that : porn models nowadays are completely insane and ask for ridiculous prices even though it's extremely beneficial for them to appear in paysites even if they worked for free.

Here: viewtopic.php?f=108&t=46474&p=699792#p699792

Just dont wanna risk a sudden price hike!
Prices usually didnt change after release, but honestly this stability trust is gone. :(
This said it was ofc cool to get pretty stable old prices by gonzo after mid April tkt devaluation. :) Was it fair? - We'd have to know also which payment models involved got to answer this.
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Postby magizi87 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:05 am

lol @ Dapaddict, you think you can singlehandedly make studios profitable?

Here is how I understand it.

BEFORE the price re-ajusdment.

Studios were making money.
Fans were somewhat "OK" with prices, (pricing has always been a hot topic)
Soooo, everthing was fine.

AFTER the tkt devaluation

STUDIOS are less profitable
FANS buy less movies.
HARDCORE FANS (the forum dewellers) complaint on the forum

Result

Pricing is more accurate (HOORAY)
Fans and Studios are less happy.

Who WINS in this?

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Postby YumYum74 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:14 am

magizi87 wrote:lol @ Dapaddict, you think you can singlehandedly make studios profitable?

Here is how I understand it.

BEFORE the price re-ajusdment.

Studios were making money.
Fans were somewhat "OK" with prices, (pricing has always been a hot topic)
Soooo, everthing was fine.

AFTER the tkt devaluation

STUDIOS are less profitable
FANS buy less movies.
HARDCORE FANS (the forum dewellers) complaint on the forum

Result

Pricing is more accurate (HOORAY)
Fans and Studios are less happy.

Who WINS in this?



This is more or less my assessment as well.
Except for the more accurate pricing thing, unless magizi87 you mean it in a sarcastic way.

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