Cold and bored director-cameramen in LP porn factory

[avanfurwet]

Thanks for posting, Wotan. Thanks Giorgio for responding. Interesting to hear 2 sides to the story.

Also instructive to read the posts in Lexi's model thread made around the time she was shooting for Giorgio, and her [spam] comments at that time.

From reading Lexi's story, her US agent is painted worst of all and she's clearly very angry with him, and also very angry about getting a serious infection after her return from Prague, which colours her story.

I guess Lexi did her Prague trip, alone, too early in her porn career, without any support, and had a bad experience on set which she wasn't able to resolve for whatever reason, maybe intimidated, maybe too anxious about her payday when she really needed the work.

One thing that surprised me while reading Febby Twigs' [spam] during her recent trip to GG studio is that she was alone and seemed a bit lonely, and also surprised to find herself near Beroun outside Prague. I don't know how much model contact there is from the studio, beyond the basic arrangements.

Of course Giorgio is not her babysitter nor her travel guide, and he's providing airport transfers and safe accommodation at the place of work, which is all good.

But Giorgio also wants the best performances from his expensive imported talent, which seems more probable if they are happy and confident during their trip to Prague. Febby did great, seems Lexi did well despite her issues; another girl might not have turned out and given such a good performance on the day.

I guess Giorgio already tries to accommodate girls together with others who speak their language, when travel schedules allow. Just seems to me obvious that they'll have more fun if they can do the Prague tourist trips, or even just go to a restaurant, with another girl at the same model house when possible, like Lexi did.

[dap-addict]

Thanks for posting, Wotan. Thanks Giorgio for responding. Interesting to hear 2 sides to the story.

Wow, that thread got more and more interesting in my absence!
Now the Lexi Fox revealing story, or shall I call it post-feminist trauma airing.
Thanks Wotan for posting... but the most I am amazed how much time and care Giorgio put into her sometimes clearly drawn up allegations.
Now basic line is we are adults and talk about problems on spot and not a year later, heh! But ok, she was inexperienced, she was outside US first time in her life.

On International Womens Day may we first ponder what kind of women we want not only on porn sets.
For all process of making porn to become sustainable I want self-conscious, mentally grown up consenting adults knowing where they go for work and what are directors expectations and their rights. Lexi may have been 30+ yo old, but mentally she sounds like a late teen in her blog.
A high nosed US middle class girl dooming anybody not speaking english with her accent as a non-english speaker and all town not looking like LA or NY as deep countryside.

Also, Wotan, so you do like US girls, ok, but does it make them more credible? Don't you see the overall line in that blog?
So than Lexi is a feminist and she wants to decide over her own body only herself and explore female sexuality. And now since she found a fellow-women agent and works for women-directors she can do that, than she was exploited and abused. Does this smell something? So of course her agent Hyde was the worst exploiter and of course all men she met in that foreign frightening Prague place were almost as bad. Good in her blog are only girls, like Angel aka..., guys are exploiters or just brutal, and one of the worst is Dylan Brown, not speaking english as well. Now I am just waiting for roydd to chime in here, btw.

Finally back to why we could still discuss this ideology blog thing here in exactly this thread is the mood maybe lurking behind in those 3 Lexi Prague shots.
Her story stripped of all feminist and pseudo-femist and simply pseudo claims still does leave Andrey as a way cold director not really caring about her well-being.
Here I am still convinced Giorgio could have done a much better job, its all about emotional intelligence, sociability, compassion and yes, a vision vs. conveyer-belt copy-paste, too.
I might have my recurring story of the cold barking voice Piter SOS support director yelling at the girls from the off you can watch in early Sineplex dvds.
Sure Andrey changed his attitude working for GIO 15 years later, but question remains how much.

Btw, would be nice to have Andrey post in this thread, too!

[Caveman39]

At some point, Angel stormed into our room. “I am fucking torn,” she said. “What can I get you?” I jumped off the top bed. I had no idea. “Ice?” One of the LP directors knocked on the door and treated her injury with a cooling gel. He told her that he would make it up to her.

//Thats a cream for hemorroids. What the fuck is a "cooling gel"? anyway Angel asked to came back several time.

Who's this "Angel" chick?
What scene she got her anus "torn"?

Seeing that Grandi said she begged to come back several times after that "notorious" anal rapture, I tend to believe that what she said to Lexi amounts to being an equivalent for girls of what is known as "locker room talk". Just banter. Nothing else.

[Evil_Del]

WHAT?! A woman getting all dramatic and distorting the reality of the facts to be considered as a poor victim and draw attention to herself and put over her will and capacity of resilience against horrible actions of men??

That's unheard of, that would be a first !!!

Well i guess that we'll never see her again on LP then. Too bad i really loved her scene and wished to see her getting her tight anus destroyed again, preferably even more agressively

[Destroyherass]

Its good that this is being adressed and one thing i notice is that Giorgio is often very open and direct in responding. While i can believe that there were problems on her end, maybe Lexy was not seasoned enough in the industry or opiniated to adress things on set, but its a bit easy to just air things out like this. Its now only hearsay and some things have been directly proven false.

The porn industry is no normal industry, its obvious things are different. Just like in restaurants things are also not happening 100% like what it should be but you make do. People who are not experienced or willing to adjust will have more trouble working in the industry. And they are always free to stop and call it quits (even in shooting). Its a shame because i like Lexys scenes. Her first with Dylan is class.

[robin_reid]

That’s funny, at same time Febby Twigs is wishing to come back at that “Blumhouse horror movie” in Czech Rep.

[Moxoxo]

What other could you write? Would be funny od you Split in the Bowl from what your eating Im far distant to this becouse a lot of US Girls come back like Charlotte and Lydia, Lauren, and now TS Girls, so it can not be such drama, only Veronica Avluv dig sometimes back to her bad experience. But from what i saw on Kira Rollers YT the domicile and then studio is not as nice like on the US productions

[Wotan29]

Thanks Wotan for posting... but the most I am amazed how much time and care Giorgio put into her sometimes clearly drawn up allegations.

Yes, kudos to Giorgio. I was also surprised how fast and how detailed he answered. I guess, every story has two sides. Some of Vera King´s statements sound very trustworthy and convincing - but Giorgio´s explanations, too. I will post my thoughts on this "in a bigger context" when I have a liitle more time...

Also, Wotan, so you do like US girls, ok, but does it make them more credible?

Where did I write this? If I find a girl exciting, I couldn´t care less whether she comes from the US, Europe, Tasmania or from Mars...

[dap-addict]

To get this a bit back on track again, just have a look at this Luis' scene shot a bit more than 2 y ago:

https://pornbox.com/application#watch-page/31928

Its such a huge difference in on-set mood compared to today!
Ok, here girl speaks Spanish as well, 1 of studs does and director does, its sure adds sth, too.

[Wotan29]

Hey, LP directors and cameramen: Watch this, it is actually possible to have fun on set:

https://sxyprn.com/post/5e737388462fe.h ... &ss=latest

(Veronica Leal)

https://sxyprn.com/post/5e73769a79362.h ... &ss=latest

(Anna de Ville & Angel Emily)

More fun and good chemistry obviously leads to more passionate, more enjoyable scenes. Very surprising...

Another rocket science perception: There exist creative scene intros apart from boring dildo intros.

And now the real sensation: I discovered, that Anna de Ville has a pussy. Did you know that?

(Both scenes from the new movie "DP Rascals" directed by Proxy Paige. By the way shot in Prague.)

[ExtremePornFan]

How do people think Vera King Is a true story? It is comical at best. A feminist journalist sets out to go undercover for an story on porn but can't resist the lure of working for a pimp duo and taking 2 in the ass for legal porno. ROFLMAO What an imagination, or was it scalped from an old penthouse letters story?

[bob94600]

Hey, LP directors and cameramen: Watch this, it is actually possible to have fun on set:

https://sxyprn.com/post/5e737388462fe.h ... &ss=latest

(Veronica Leal)

https://sxyprn.com/post/5e73769a79362.h ... &ss=latest

(Anna de Ville & Angel Emily)

More fun and good chemistry obviously leads to more passionate, more enjoyable scenes. Very surprising...

Another rocket science perception: There exist creative scene intros apart from boring dildo intros.

And now the real sensation: I discovered, that Anna de Ville has a pussy. Did you know that?

(Both scenes from the new movie "DP Rascals" directed by Proxy Paige. By the way shot in Prague.)

Well said Wotan...But I think good porn is behind us regarding LP...Poor producers

[avanfurwet]

How do people think Vera King Is a true story? It is comical at best. A feminist journalist sets out to go undercover for an story on porn but can't resist the lure of working for a pimp duo and taking 2 in the ass for legal porno. ROFLMAO What an imagination, or was it scalped from an old penthouse letters story?

Vera King is currently active as a porn actress in the US. Maybe her fantasy is to be a feminist journalist. Maybe her reality is she found work in the porn industry to pay her rent, like so many others.

IMO the core of her story is probably true, i.e. her US agent was slime and she had a bad experience on set. Also IMO she exaggerated and embellished parts of her story to suit her agenda and assign blame to others who she says hurt or cheated her.

People can judge for themselves. IMO wannabe porn newbies can benefit from reading her story and thinking for themselves how they can be smarter and avoid becoming victims since they will likely encounter similar situations with different agents and producers in their career.

[Wotan29]

How do people think Vera King Is a true story? It is comical at best. A feminist journalist sets out to go undercover for an story on porn but can't resist the lure of working for a pimp duo and taking 2 in the ass for legal porno. ROFLMAO What an imagination, or was it scalped from an old penthouse letters story?

Vera King is currently active as a porn actress in the US. Maybe her fantasy is to be a feminist journalist. Maybe her reality is she found work in the porn industry to pay her rent, like so many others.

IMO the core of her story is probably true, i.e. her US agent was slime and she had a bad experience on set. Also IMO she exaggerated and embellished parts of her story to suit her agenda and assign blame to others who she says hurt or cheated her.

People can judge for themselves. IMO wannabe porn newbies can benefit from reading her story and thinking for themselves how they can be smarter and avoid becoming victims since they will likely encounter similar situations with different agents and producers in their career.

Thanks for this far more reflected, fair and true opinion in contrary to the one-dimensional comment of dgmatrainer78.

[dap-addict]

Thanks for this far more reflected, fair and true opinion in contrary to the one-dimensional comment of dgmatrainer78.

+ 1

Problem starts when such exaggerated and hidden ideologic blogs will start to shy away US models from flying to Prague to shoot for LP.
I'd wish girls be more fair about the ppl who gave them jobs and payed them for their work, payed also plane tickets and also instructed them to prepare for anal properly, although maybe not individually but only on a homepage. Anyway, positive effect could be girls watching some scenes of the studios they are going to work for first and decide for themselves again if they are really ready for such a hardcore porn approach. And just generally to think for themselves, yes!

[Giorgio Grandi]

Hey, LP directors and cameramen: Watch this, it is actually possible to have fun on set:

https://sxyprn.com/post/5e737388462fe.h ... &ss=latest

(Veronica Leal)

Ok, I tested myself on this, I do not really like to comment what others are shooting, but here my feelings:

Veronica
Proxi loves models looking kitsch, everyone knows about it. You notice this from the makeup of Veronica. This doesnt match with audience of LP that prefer Classy or eventually punkish in some cases.
Action is far away from what the audience looks for on LP, it is exactly what would please JS, as 95% of contents from EA. This is not bad, bud this is not EA, where a content cost 0.0001...$/scene, on LP cost 4$. There is no reason to publish a content like this on LP with an established model as Veronica.
There are some good points about apparently more in intimacy, but this is a result of the lack of intensity. If a model get busted bulls deep from Mike Chapman, she focus to get hammered, she cant focus on kissing someone else.

Anna and Angel
Action is more intense than the other scene (because of the boys) and there is much less intimacy. there is a lack of gapes, potential of Anna is about 30% of what she doesnt on LP (I mean about intensity). Position are a copy of LP, no more and no less with decent performance from everyone.

Without to be specific, camerawork would be strongly criticized here on LP, I personally cant stand the lighting and location of the scene with Veronica.
Specially in the scene with Anna camerawork includes too much "ass of the male", positions are not setup properly. On my stage the cameraman would have stopped the action to correct the position of the performers, Proxi prefers more "reality" and "chaotic action, it is simply a matter of personal taste and market. I personally love harmony in porn, people moving in the right moment and going to the right place.
JJ was a starting point to me, in his scenes with multiple performers on the chaise longue. This seams boring as it looks staged, but I do not think we are here shooting reality porn, but hard core anal content that needs proper choreography.

About the cameraman interacting more with the action, but this is not something that everyone likes, it is really a matter of taste. I do not have problem with it, and the fact that is a girl interacting if pretty cool.

Overall both the scenes are not my cup of tea, they would be selling on LP as many other scenes, for sure they would not be top the actual best sellers for Veronica and Anna.

[ExtremePornFan]

How do people think Vera King Is a true story? It is comical at best. A feminist journalist sets out to go undercover for an story on porn but can't resist the lure of working for a pimp duo and taking 2 in the ass for legal porno. ROFLMAO What an imagination, or was it scalped from an old penthouse letters story?

Vera King is currently active as a porn actress in the US. Maybe her fantasy is to be a feminist journalist. .

O never mind That makes it OK to embellish or outright make up stories and spread rumors about other companies people.

[IndyPleco]

How do people think Vera King Is a true story? It is comical at best. A feminist journalist sets out to go undercover for an story on porn but can't resist the lure of working for a pimp duo and taking 2 in the ass for legal porno. ROFLMAO What an imagination, or was it scalped from an old penthouse letters story?

Vera King is currently active as a porn actress in the US. Maybe her fantasy is to be a feminist journalist. .

O never mind That makes it OK to embellish or outright make up stories and spread rumors about other companies people.

She shared her perception on her own personal blog. It’s up to you to add the grains of salt.

[ExtremePornFan]

[/quote]
She shared her perception on her own personal blog. It’s up to you to add the grains of salt.[/quote]

What I was whining about is that people read it and take it like it's fact. It's obvious to the most casual observer just by looking at how many girls work for legalporno studios over and over for 20, 30, 40 scenes. These women are not going to keep coming back , going to a another country even over seas if there is a problem. I should not have even commented on it because now I am guilty of perpetuating the BS.

[ExtremePornFan]

Hey, LP directors and cameramen: Watch this, it is actually possible to have fun on set:

https://sxyprn.com/post/5e737388462fe.h ... &ss=latest

(Veronica Leal)

https://sxyprn.com/post/5e73769a79362.h ... &ss=latest

(Anna de Ville & Angel Emily)

More fun and good chemistry obviously leads to more passionate, more enjoyable scenes. Very surprising...

Another rocket science perception: There exist creative scene intros apart from boring dildo intros.

And now the real sensation: I discovered, that Anna de Ville has a pussy. Did you know that?

(Both scenes from the new movie "DP Rascals" directed by Proxy Paige. By the way shot in Prague.)

Totally lost me when I saw the clown make up and gold chains. Hopefully legal porn does not follow suite.

[avanfurwet]

IMO Vera King didn't do herself any favours with the feminist journalist angle, and her story is more credible as "an actresses tale".

But is there any reason to dismiss her story completely and sneer at her? Any reason to claim she made it all up? I don't think so.

Giorgio has already written a reasoned response concerning events at his studio in the thread that was deleted. So her anti-LP angle doesn't seem to need further debate. But the general industry-wide issues she raises do seem real and important.

(1) She says she needed hospital treatment for a serious infection and couldn't work/earn during a painful recovery. That can happen to any model in this line of work, with any studio, not specific to LP. Does happen, probably more often than we fans realise. Seems more likely during more extreme scenes. IMO producers and models should be aware of the risks and working sensibly to minimise them. That won't happen if any model who speaks up is immediately traduced and jeered off by people who claim to disbelieve her just because it suits them.

(2) She says she was misled, under-informed and underpaid by her US agent. Not LP's issue at all. But probably all too common in the adult industry worldwide. Again, aspiring models should become more aware of the risks and that won't happen unless more experienced models speak out.

[dap-addict]

IMO Vera King didn't do herself any favors...
(...)
(1) She says she needed hospital treatment for a serious infection and couldn't work/earn during a painful recovery. That can happen to any model in this line of work, with any studio, not specific to LP. Does happen, probably more often than we fans realise.

It happens in this line of work no matter what sex act is involved, it even happens in gg dildo stuff.
Vera King however linked it clearly to LP and her 3 scenes there - single anal, dp and DAP.
This playing on the wrong tones for me definitely, sorry to say.

[dap-addict]

1 wish for 2021 here:

Giorgio, please come back
to actively directing more than 10 times this year!
And get yourself involved more also on set again!
No actually fucking needed, just talk etc.

[dap-addict]

During last 1-2 years I see a certain kind of assembly line porn production. Other posters have criticized this a lot more. I have hold back and I still see some variety - and a wide range of still attractive girls of different ages and experience working for LP.

What I see in my much adored gonzo BTS is a cold, almost bored, mentally detached, very professional director shooting sex acts like it was just a product advertisement. Same in the very rare GIO support director BTS from end 2018. There even a colder atmosphere, also sometimes criticized by the girls asking to get shot by Giorgio Grandi instead. Also same in a way on IV, where director is also actor and also conveyed this coldness on to that sofa as well.

Now of course shooting porn is just a job and a porn set isn't really the right place for genuine lust, but what I see is even a lack of try to make it look lustful, to play fine, to be innovative, convey more than an assembly line set of sex positions.

First of all:
I agree with dap-addict. In fact, I´m even more critical.

Red part:
All alarm bells should ring at LP when LP's biggest hardcore fan finally discovers, that something goes wrong with LP. dap-addict is a veteran porn watcher and apart from his manic dap-addiction I appreciate some of his input and not seldom I agree with him. But I´m a little bit surprised how long it took him to realize that LP mostly is assembly line production. "Porn fabric" is a good description.(...)

Very long post full of passion for porn - and Rocco.
Now I have to confess from once being a big fan of Rocco I have turned pretty uncaring for his new releases, also because it usually takes him so long to release what he shot. But mainly because he doesnt deliver the sex acts I want in my porn, but just the mood.
Now porn for me isn't only mood, it also isn't fetish stripped of sex, its essentially hard anal porn.
Here once anal-predator Rocco took a strange route in my POV.

This said I still think Wotan's post on top of page 1 is still really essential.
And I am a bit troubled it seems 11mt later we didnt get much further at LP making it less of a porn factory, less conveyer belt porn shooting and turning it more human again.
Only exception I see is N&F studio.

I also ask myself how much I do still need that factory porn and how much I am open to less perfect but more 'human' offerings?
Looking at GLab Piter offerings I see my limits to be more tolerant for less factory porn. For instance I just can't stand wood-less studs in porn anymore. And I also do have problems with bad lighting.
Given that choice I indeed do prefer a white room, a white sofa, injected studs fucking the girls to make it work in 99,9% cases. And yes, I still do need minimum 2 DAPs per day! But I want them better, faster, deeper, more intense of course!

[Wotan29]

Though I can´t understand, that you´re still 99,9% atisfied with passionless assembyl line production in ever recurring locations and sofas...
Hey, it´s your taste, your decision and your DAP-addiction.

About Rocco I´m having a completely different point of view.
I´m not talking about his "fantasy" themed movies/projects, which are kind of over the top.
No, Rocco is best when he´s alone with a girl or two girls. (DAP impossible, bad for you... )
Just watch his Intimate Castings like for example with Julia Rain, Lina Luxa, Anya Krey, Sara Bell etc. (sometimes up to nearly 2 hours!)
Or his scene with Jane Wilde in "Rocco back to America for more adventures".
Or his scene with Angela White in "I am Angela".
All those scenes are perfect manhandling with ballsdeep rough assfucking.
The best in porn you can get!
And most important: He really loves to handle girls this way! And the girls - though struggling - love to get fucked by Rocco this way!
Yes, I´m talking about orgasms!
(Something not happening at LP anymore, because of uninspired guys and scene flows with circus acts which don´t allow a special vibe.)
Rocco still is the man, who creates this special "she barely survived that" spirit.
(Not to mention all those great scenes/movies/series in his "porn career catalogue".
Watching one of these "old" scenes is more entertaining and more valuable than watching 100 LP scenes shot in the checklist style nowadays.)

[dap-addict]

Though I can´t understand, that you´re still 99,9% satisfied (...)
Hey, it´s your taste, your decision and your DAP-addiction.

About Rocco I´m having a completely different point of view.(...)
And most important: He really loves to handle girls this way! And the girls - though struggling - love to get fucked by Rocco this way!
Yes, I´m talking about orgasms!

As long as these are anal orgasms that's really fine and I should probably give Rocco a new chance, IF its b/g anal sex we are talking about.


As for the rest I think I made it pretty clear that I am not "99,9% satisfied", but also I have never denied my addiction and this needs to be met first, and only then in best possible quality first and in a nice interesting looking surrounding second.

[netzerkaiser]

During last 1-2 years I see a certain kind of assembly line porn production. Other posters have criticized this a lot more. I have hold back and I still see some variety - and a wide range of still attractive girls of different ages and experience working for LP.

What I see in my much adored gonzo BTS is a cold, almost bored, mentally detached, very professional director shooting sex acts like it was just a product advertisement. Same in the very rare GIO support director BTS from end 2018. There even a colder atmosphere, also sometimes criticized by the girls asking to get shot by Giorgio Grandi instead. Also same in a way on IV, where director is also actor and also conveyed this coldness on to that sofa as well.

Now of course shooting porn is just a job and a porn set isn't really the right place for genuine lust, but what I see is even a lack of try to make it look lustful, to play fine, to be innovative, convey more than an assembly line set of sex positions.

First of all:
I agree with dap-addict. In fact, I´m even more critical.

Red part:
All alarm bells should ring at LP when LP's biggest hardcore fan finally discovers, that something goes wrong with LP. dap-addict is a veteran porn watcher and apart from his manic dap-addiction I appreciate some of his input and not seldom I agree with him. But I´m a little bit surprised how long it took him to realize that LP mostly is assembly line production. "Porn fabric" is a good description.(...)

Very long post full of passion for porn - and Rocco.
Now I have to confess from once being a big fan of Rocco I have turned pretty uncaring for his new releases, also because it usually takes him so long to release what he shot. But mainly because he doesnt deliver the sex acts I want in my porn, but just the mood.
Now porn for me isn't only mood, it also isn't fetish stripped of sex, its essentially hard anal porn.
Here once anal-predator Rocco took a strange route in my POV.

This said I still think Wotan's post on top of page 1 is still really essential.
And I am a bit troubled it seems 11mt later we didnt get much further at LP making it less of a porn factory, less conveyer belt porn shooting and turning it more human again.
Only exception I see is N&F studio.

I also ask myself how much I do still need that factory porn and how much I am open to less perfect but more 'human' offerings?
Looking at GLab Piter offerings I see my limits to be more tolerant for less factory porn. For instance I just can't stand wood-less studs in porn anymore. And I also do have problems with bad lighting.
Given that choice I indeed do prefer a white room, a white sofa, injected studs fucking the girls to make it work in 99,9% cases. And yes, I still do need minimum 2 DAPs per day! But I want them better, faster, deeper, more intense of course!

Is it just me or was the visual quality of Rocco's 'true stories' & "animal trainer" stuff very poor resolution? So grainy? Or hasit been magically remastered lately?

[eastcoastpbm]

100% agree with LP needing to model Rocco's Intimate POV series. That scene with Julia Rain was nothing short of classic. Julia is a true submissive at heart and Rocco brought that out in her in that scene. I am a Bondage and Submission fan, and this scene, even without the bondage, excelled. Would love to see her paired interracially with the likes of Dylan Brown, Joss Lescaf, Freddy Gong, Charlie Mac, Prince Yahsuaha (?), and especially Richard Mann. Some of my favorite pairings to watch are Angel Emily and Joss Lescaf, Adeline and Joss Lescaf, Rebel Rhyder and Richard Mann, Avery Jane and Richard Mann, Dylan Brown 1on1 scenes with new talent, Michael Chapman 1on1 scenes with new talent, Haley Reed in Balls Deep Anal with BBC, and Jane Wilde in Balls Deep Anal with BBC... Also check out Dredd's anal scenes on [spam]...

[shenmue]

I couldn't care less about what colour/race the male performers are, you seem to have a real problem with ir content and it's not healthy to have this mindset. There are plenty of scenes on here with just white male performers for you to watch and not get angry while trying to get off to some porn.

I guess i am lucky that i can enjoy all scenes, black or white/European males has no bearing on my enjoyment, the appearance, enjoyment and sexual skills of the female performers are what i look for.

[dap-addict]

Not sue where to fit this, but I think we have quite a few examples of the opposite to OP last few months here due to actors and actresses turned into directors or also directing:

We have Florane Russel with her own studio, than Lady Dee with her own studio, than Oscar Batty with his own studio a few months ago and now hopefully soon also on pornbox Angelo Godshack with his own studio.
Next time 2 LP girls again than!

I'd go for Anna de Ville
definitely
and
Giada Sgh or Stacy Bloom or ? (let me think...)

[vincent744]

A good heroine is very important

[dap-addict]

If somebody has a lot of time to read back here in this tread, you find some answers why Gonzo and GIO stoped, I think. And Giorgio Grandi is talking about shooting wet here, too!