Should we make the forum members-only?

[Angel Eyes]

^ BTW...totally agree not seeing 40+ spam and puerile posts a day is a good thing (i.e. red_whore, vandenbore, etc...) . This would be where an active forum admin would come in use.

[magizi877]

What would happen if XXX decides to make the forum member-only?

Can you give us some perspective?
Is there a way you can track what is the percentage of posts made per day, that come from non-members?

I wanna know, before any decision is made, if it would feel empty if it were to go in the members-only direction.

Like, I'm pretty sure dpconnoisseur1 and DAP-addict are paying members. So we would still have them,
I mean, I disagree with almost everything that comes out of DAP-addict mouth, but he is part of the community, lol.

And for me, what attracted me initially to the forum, were the trailers and pictures that PC_82 would share,
but I stayed because it was an active community, talking about something I love, which is porn.

But if I could quantify how much I like the forum now, and compare to how I remember feeling about it, 5 years ago,
I'm just gonna say that, there is almost no conversation happening and almost everything is about requesting new models, pissing scenes and prolapse.

I understand the people who want X women to come to work at LP, but what bothers me, greatly, is that these people
spam the entire board, over and over and over, so for me, who likes reading the whole thing, seeing the same posts,
repeated multiple times across the entire board, makes it very frustrating to navigate.

So what ends up happening is that I just post much less often,
and feel less compelled to read the board and engage in the conversation.

I think it would be positive to go in the direction of members-only.

My bet is that, the people who request a model or celebrity,
that repeat the same request, across the entire board, in 4-5 different threads,
and the people who often come here and ask, "which scene is this?" (Probably to pirate it)
are all "freeloaders" and if they're gone, I'll be super happy, lol.

[misangrenegra2]

One thing is true, the spam (Random posts) has been reduced, maybe this thread did their job.

Anyone can post their opinions/tastes, in fact, there a lot of users that never post anything. Would be cool if the forum activity increse in the correct way, making a consistent posts with some arguments and not the tipicals posts like "Please XXXXX piss scene" or "Bring back XXX".

Also there are some interesting post (in my opinion) in the forum to share our opinions (eg. asshole appreciation thread, Scene request for paying users , Interesting ideas of some story lines. etc) but they doesnt have a good participation/posts. I think this should "change" an make an effort to share our opinions

I undestand this method can be extreme and anybody wants "kill" the forum, maybe my suggestion would help to differentiate the users and i think is not difficult to make it.

Totally agree magizi87, a lot of us have our opinion and tastes but if we discuss with some quality the state of forum improve.

[BeefPrime]

Should be members and paying customers only in my opinion. Don’t think others should be on here telling you guys who and what to shoot when they are not actually buying anything.

This!

[dap-addict]

A great idea to lock people out who aren't buying content, and thus may not deserve the right to have a say... Just please don't put long time members who rarely post, that would make me sad!

+ 1
But still think there should be a 1-month trial forum membership. If after 1 month nothing substantial is bough from gonzo/GIO/IV/Focus than forum membership is gone.
Forum can work as a teaser to buy LP porn offerings, thats the idea behind.
But minimum 10tkts have to be bought and spent till day 30, I'd say.

[Anotherfine]

Having some MODS on here would be a start, Then you wouldn't need a new members only forum

I miss the glory days of Laura posting whoever she/he was

[dap-addict]

Laura is a good example: For many years she didnt have the money to buy LP scenes, only after she got a new job she did it regularly.
At the same time her posts were such a great addition to our forum discussions!
She left after dumbheads wanted her to perform in front of camera. A bit like Petra now, but Petra is a biz pro and Laura was a civilian only. Its such a pity its so hard for women here, porn girls included.

I think mods could sort out a lot.
Some parts of the forum could be paying users only. Or maybe better mark non-paying posters with a different color. I think posting real content helps to win new paying users.
But sure not: 'I want this and that girl to do this and that for me - but I never pay for it.'

[Angel Eyes]

^ Even though I joined LP just a month or so before Laura disappeared, I miss her intelligent and heartfelt posts. I never understood why she left. I thought it had something to do with her family finding out about her love of porn...she posted about having to secretly sneak looks at scenes over Christmas while visiting family. I never dreamed she was being hounded to perform on camera. Geez guys!! Do we have to turn every male/female interaction into a sexual proposition? BTW, don't answer that: it was a rhetorical question.

Thanks for the insight dap-a.

[IndyPleco]

I would much prefer to see moderating of toxic and unnecessarily negative comments than shielding the forum from non-paying members.

A lively forum shows that it's an active website with frequent updates, which is helpful information to have when committing to a membership.

[Anthokent]

I would much prefer to see moderating of toxic and unnecessarily negative comments than shielding the forum from non-paying members.

A lively forum shows that it's an active website with frequent updates, which is helpful information to have when committing to a membership.

100% agree with this. Let’s just field out the mean/offensive trolling posts/posters and that should take care of it. Heck, we’re all on a porn site for a reason. No reason to punish those who feverishly masturbate somewhat less than those that are literally addicted to porn.

[Anthokent]

Laura is a good example: For many years she didnt have the money to buy LP scenes, only after she got a new job she did it regularly.
At the same time her posts were such a great addition to our forum discussions!
She left after dumbheads wanted her to perform in front of camera. A bit like Petra now, but Petra is a biz pro and Laura was a civilian only. Its such a pity its so hard for women here, porn girls included.

I think mods could sort out a lot.
Some parts of the forum could be paying users only. Or maybe better mark non-paying posters with a different color. I think posting real content helps to win new paying users.
But sure not: 'I want this and that girl to do this and that for me - but I never pay for it.'

I agree with this too. The requests have just gotten out of hand.

[Jon_Jonz]

Maybe better moderating and temporarily or permanently banning those who spam,always complain,insult,do nothing helpful on this forum etc..
About member and non-members i think that some reduced rights for non members will do the job rather than eliminate them and that's because among non-members you find some people with a great mindset,great ideas,storylines and this will certainly add quality to forum.

[tommysxc]

After reading Magizi's post in response to GG feeding the trolls not buying scenes, I was wondering if we could add scene purchase amounts to the left most profiles when posting under 'member since'.

I'd also love to see this added in Pornbox as a simple count in all categories so that you can see how many of 'purchased', 'DAP (filter), or whatever.

This way all forum users, including GG and everyone else can see who has merit to have such strong opinions.

To validate this claim, I can tell you I've bought 1339 scenes at the time I'm posting (probably more tomorrow ).

[Giorgio Grandi]

I totally support this idea

This way all forum users, including GG and everyone else can see who has merit to have such strong opinions.

[dpconnoisseur1]

Posting in the forum should be for members only with an active membership. If you dont have an active membership you cant post and the posters forum name should be same as the name used to sign up to LP. For instance I signed up for LP with dpconnoisseur1 and post to the forum with that same name.

Maybe it will reduce the aggressive post with posters making unfounded claims about models, attacking them personally and attacking directors without using some tact.

[Ultra-Gape]

I like the idea of indicating in some way who paying members are. I say this as when people are commenting on content and what they'd like to see I think there is value in the producers knowing this. I'm not sure locking out non-members would serve any real purpose though, and I can see might negatively impact new member recruitment.

FWIW I was a paying member with the Evil Angel website for years (primarily for Rocco's content) but there was no forum or meaningful place to comment. I do think the existence of this forum is a plus-point for LP.

[magizi877]

Just a quick 'sketch' of how it could look like:

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Personally I don't care if it were visible publicly,
from my perspective it would be interesting to know
a little bit more about those people who make threads all the time
in the "Legalporno going downhill" fashion.

Most of the time those people are just spewing hate
and not explaining what their frustration is, it all seems unfunded.
reading those threads and being unable to at least figure out which studio are they referring to
when making such claims, it why I call them trolls.

Anyways, I thought LP had this kind of thing available,
I'm mind blown just thinking that apparently the only indicator
of how well they are doing is the sales.

Back when the pornbox had the rate scenes using 5 stars feature removed,
I made a post saying that sometimes you buy a scene and don't like it,
and have no way of expressing that feeling to the directors.

All they go by is "the scene made the sale, so it must be good".
and they keep doing the same things over and over,
only, sometimes they copy from one scene to the next, things we don't like.

And that's how we got to today, were most Giorgio scenes are
about girls looking like the get DAPed, but not really.

But it's a time-bomb IMO.

One day the "DAP-Addicts" of the LP fanbase will get frustrated enough to affect the sales.

By the way, those percentage points, Gonzo vs Giorgio,
depicted in my sketch, are my real numbers of the last 30 days.

14 scenes for Gonzo
6 scenes for Giorgio

I turn the clock 2-3 years and those percentages were pretty different.

I'm just saying.

[Iddaoeeok]

I can see the arguments on both sides - obviously it would be a good way to stop various cretins and trolls showing up and annoying everyone with their garbage threads and opinions. However I'm against the idea, I don't like the idea of closing off the forum with the danger that you end up with something insular and, worse, self-congratulatory - I wouldn't want it to end up like the EBI forum which, as far as I can tell, is just the same 20 or 30 people posting the same things over and over again. I understand why Giorgio would be in favour - as a 'creative' - because it must be irritating as fuck to have your work constantly criticized by a bunch of anonymous people online. However, I can't see why xxx would be in favour of the idea as I believe it risks cutting off LP from potential customers and making LP seem like an exclusive club.

[tommysxc]

^agreed, but my post above was an addition to get this rolling again.

I should've said too that I fully support this forum being for everyone... Just clear it up for how, or even if people are buying stuff at all. We have 'veteran member's tags now, so it wouldn't be too much... Love Magizi's example here!

[Ultra-Gape]

Back when the pornbox had the rate scenes using 5 stars feature removed,
I made a post saying that sometimes you buy a scene and don't like it,
and have no way of expressing that feeling to the directors.

I think that's a good point. Plus of course some scenes may exceed expectations. Sales certainly don't tell the whole story.

I'm not personally keen on showing very detailed information of users purchasing history though, because I think it might put some off posting at all.

FWIW this month I've spent 47 of my 48 TKT subscription on 13 scenes: 7 Gonzo and 6 GG. As a new member only one of these was released this month though (Bonnie Parker's scene).
It's worth noting that scene costs affect purchasing numbers - I could have bought more scenes if I went for cheaper ones and fewer if I focused on the most expensive. In practice I bought a mix. Similarly number of scenes purchased will also be much higher for someone who bought a whole Gonzo month for a single payment whilst the amount spent would be about the same a I spent above. Just making the point that even if lots of data is given the interpretation of this isn't entirely straightforward, which limits its usefulness.

[tommysxc]

And I would say that what you've described is just perfect to be able to have your opinion taken into account. As it stands now, there are possibly some forum members that aren't subscribers to LP (of the paying) variety. I agree with your points, and the amount someone can afford to buy shouldn't dictate how seriously they're taken.

Unfortunately when people are white knights here trolling the hard work that goes into production, the least people can do is buy the occasional scene. Otherwise just don't share your opinion here and leave it for elsewhere.

[misangrenegra2]

This thread has been running through my head lately reading constantly flooders and trolls in the forum for the lack of supervision...

[visigoth2020260]

fatal error.

it is about having some fun.
if someone becomes a nuisance just put him on your ignored list. ( but be careful cause if you are a Scrooge person you might find yourself all alone )

here I will give my work
with free backstage, for free.

no matter what anyone says or does it can not hurt the income of the producers of AV or AV itself.
there is no other place to get what is being produced here.
only criticism will make the best scene for all paid members of AV.
believe me, some freeloaders wish to be able to buy crystal clear scenes and some will do as soon as their financial situation gets fixed.

there is something about this place, can it be this forum?

some of you guys know me, I just can not let an opportunity pass me by.

I do hope everyone finds it to be funny, as that was my intention.
( you'll be the judge if it has some truth in it )

all my respect to all the viewers and the producer's crewmembers models and performers
of this great place, no other place like this one, and the staff too.

enjoy.

[misangrenegra2]

I don't understand what is a "scrooge person" anyway my point about have a minimum of common sense in the forum.

Diversity of opinions, light or rude tone in the posts, criticism, complaints, support, discussion about the models, scenes, studios, fetishes, measures of AV, etc.... is welcome and to follow some forum rules too .

Trolls and flooders simply mess the image of the forum, even with the "foe" option, what is the point of let them post over and over again? surely some of them even not spent any centim here so, why mods and admins doesnt take measures? the foe option has other purpose in my opinion than just put in them users that shouldn't be here. If some of them were a good customer at least give them a warning with a ban of the forum for a week or something but i guess is not the case.

I can understand than some newbie user start making post of scene request or similars, is a classic but the others not.

All this reflex the lack of moderation lately

[visigoth2020260]

yes, I understand but believe me they are watching, this forum needs all those crazy guys,
cause in reality there aren't that many posters, and there are 1000s and 1000s o VIEWERS.
some of them get out of hand and up to some point it is understandable, you know how porn is sometimes you get these urges for this or for that, and I won't blame them.

in other places, you get banned just for saying hello, wtf.
I will ask all my dear viewers to chill out and not let their emotions take control over them.

be safe writhe some more and master your English, porn is more than just fucking and ass.

SCROOGE ( that stingy lonely old man )

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is a selfish and unfriendly person who is not willing to spend or give away money or anything
and everything bothers him.
don't bother asking for donations at that house—the churl who lives there believes that charity begins and ends at home

don not worry my English is not the best, I should have used another word.

please do not let our language barriers stop you from posting or making your own thread,
many tools are available to help you with that.

Grammarly will help you to be understood.
Deepl will translate in case you know no English.

[zeusanalfreak299]

The question is not "should we do or not?" but what do you want to achieve with that?

I'm still wondering all the time how often studio owners and directors check the forum.
If they dont do that often because of too much posts and content, it would a great idea.

Because then they would get feedback from buyers, could take it into account and maybe also interact with them.

But if they would not care at all, I don't see any benefits here. The forum would be a little cleaner but still useless in some way.

[Giorgio Grandi]

The question is not "should we do or not?" but what do you want to achieve with that?

I'm still wondering all the time how often studio owners and directors check the forum.
If they dont do that often because of too much posts and content, it would a great idea.

Because then they would get feedback from buyers, could take it into account and maybe also interact with them.

But if they would not care at all, I don't see any benefits here. The forum would be a little cleaner but still useless in some way.

if you spent more than 9,61$ in the last 30 days with my content, you can text me directly with the proper chat.
I think most of studios has this option active, so if you want to interact with your favourite studio, you can do it pretty easy and directly.

I spend more time chatting with users in the chat than reading in the forum and I think this is correct. Priority needs to be pointed to paying users.

Said that, forum is still a source of informations and interesting idea, but not like before.
Most of topic on forum I am interested to read are disappointing, also long term users are often VERY disappointing.
We are into a market that evolves at the speed of the light and most of posters stuck with old beliefs that, market wise, are a nonsense.

[netzerkaiser]

Absolutely membership only.

[zeusanalfreak299]

This poll is bullshit. Sorry to say that, because everyone can vote. Even people who pirate everything or spammers.

I think there should be two areas, one for paying, one for all.

[zeusanalfreak299]

if you spent more than 9,61$ in the last 30 days with my content, you can text me directly with the proper chat.
I think most of studios has this option active, so if you want to interact with your favourite studio, you can do it pretty easy and directly.

I spend more time chatting with users in the chat than reading in the forum and I think this is correct. Priority needs to be pointed to paying users.

Said that, forum is still a source of informations and interesting idea, but not like before.
Most of topic on forum I am interested to read are disappointing, also long term users are often VERY disappointing.
We are into a market that evolves at the speed of the light and most of posters stuck with old beliefs that, market wise, are a nonsense.

Thanks Giorgio for your respond. I think Im the disappointing guy sometimes, but still loyal in some way. Means that I buy if I finally get what I love. And I think I'm one of the old fashioned porn dudes who wants to see porn like it was shot 10 years. ago. Even if I understand what you wrote.

[misangrenegra2]

This poll is bullshit. Sorry to say that, because everyone can vote. Even people who pirate everything or spammers.

I think there should be two areas, one for paying, one for all.

I guess the decission wouldn't be easy but would be hilarious that this guy was the reason to apply some changes here.

There are some ways: I "suggested" something simple like apply a different colour to the users with an active membership or that spend some quantity of token in the last 30 days. Al least in that way everyone can be aware of who are real costumers of just guests or trolls.

More hardcore measures: Only available for people with active membership or/with a minimum TKTs spend in the last month. In this way the spam and trolls would be reduce almost completely, at least they would be forced to spend money here and support if they want post shit, and then, be banned of the forum.

[DPraved]

This poll is bullshit. Sorry to say that, because everyone can vote. Even people who pirate everything or spammers.

I think there should be two areas, one for paying, one for all.

I guess the decission wouldn't be easy but would be hilarious that this guy was the reason to apply some changes here.

There are some ways: I "suggested" something simple like apply a different colour to the users with an active membership or that spend some quantity of token in the last 30 days. Al least in that way everyone can be aware of who are real costumers of just guests or trolls.

More hardcore measures: Only available for people with active membership or/with a minimum TKTs spend in the last month. In this way the spam and trolls would be reduce almost completely, at least they would be forced to spend money here and support if they want post shit, and then, be banned of the forum.

Agreed! Good suggestions! People with active membership or who have spent a minimum number of tickets in the previous 30 days should be granted the privilege to post. Spammers and assholes never pay for themselves so that would surely get rid of them.

[misangrenegra2]

Is a sad situation but some people don't understand, in a reasonable way, the things with words, some crack down are necessary.

Would be enough just ban him from the forum? I would like remember to the users that is the second time that he comesback and doesn't seem he will stop.

[visigoth2020260]

there goes my personal life, but if it is for the good of the producers go ahead and make it members only,
somehow AV must deal with those fucking assholes, or just give some kind of board power to some members.
like...... dap-addict.

[zeusanalfreak299]

This poll is bullshit. Sorry to say that, because everyone can vote. Even people who pirate everything or spammers.

I think there should be two areas, one for paying, one for all.

I guess the decission wouldn't be easy but would be hilarious that this guy was the reason to apply some changes here.

There are some ways: I "suggested" something simple like apply a different colour to the users with an active membership or that spend some quantity of token in the last 30 days. Al least in that way everyone can be aware of who are real costumers of just guests or trolls.

More hardcore measures: Only available for people with active membership or/with a minimum TKTs spend in the last month. In this way the spam and trolls would be reduce almost completely, at least they would be forced to spend money here and support if they want post shit, and then, be banned of the forum.

Agreed! Good suggestions! People with active membership or who have spent a minimum number of tickets in the previous 30 days should be granted the privilege to post. Spammers and assholes never pay for themselves so that would surely get rid of them.

Yes thats a great Idea, and I support that even if it would maybe hit me also, because I spent hundreds of euros in the past, but I hardly spend more than 10-20 TKT per month for the last 1-2 years. Sometimes I find 1-2 scenes per months great, but not too many. I reloaded 42 TKT one week ago, bot buy 2 Gonzo and 1 GIO scene. But my overall consumption decreased drastically, because of several reasons (too much tip-fucking, too much piss, weird sex positions, less-doggy, chaotic-camerawork, too much full-frame filming,...).

The fairest way would be to consider the total amount of scenes + what was spent the last 3 months. We have to consider there are months with more (individually prefered) great content and months with less. In the bad months (individually) I would simply disappear from the forum then. Which someone of you might like
But if thats the price to make the forum cleaner, go ahead! I wont blame anyone!

[visigoth2020260]

What is a forum?
11 Benefits of having a forum
#1. Improve customer support
#2. Boost search rankings
#3. Build brand trust
#4. Increase customer success
#5. Drive product ideation
#6. Be consistently present
#7. Encourage constructive discussion
#8. Supercharge customer engagement
#9. Gather data-driven insights
#10. Identify problems faster
#11. Strengthen connections


Gather data-driven insights

Every social platform or community software that caters towards businesses provides a data-analytics dashboard, but many of them focus more on vanity metrics rather than true engagement metrics. Often, things like likes and follows are disguised as useful metrics, but they’re really nothing of the sort. By building a discussion forum that serves as a one-stop resource for collecting knowledge and relationship-building, businesses can tap into a wealth of useful data. Because people tend to be more engaged in smaller, more purpose-driven communities, these data-driven insights are far more valuable for helping brands identify opportunities for improvement.


Drive product ideation

It has always taken an incredible stroke of luck and insight to invent the next great thing, but coming up with the next big product or service idea is a whole lot easier when there are more people on board to help. Discussion forums are perfect for crowdsourcing ideas and driving innovation. They can serve as go-to spaces for testing and feedback, one-stop repositories of valuable customer insights which product development teams can draw upon to constantly improve their value proposition. Members can upvote their favourite ideas for new products, features and services to help brands identify and capitalise on new opportunities.

Identify problems faster

Another benefit of having a forum is that it allows businesses to identify problems faster. Businesses face many challenges when it comes to identifying problems with their products or services and managing their reputations. With so many platforms to monitor, it’s often hard to find, prioritise and mitigate many of these problems. By providing customers with a highly publicised, go-to resource for reporting issues, customer support and product development teams will have immediate access to the information they need to address them. That’s much more effective than trawling through countless feeds, posts on Facebook and reviews on consumer opinion websites.

Supercharge customer engagement

Many people follow brands on social media, but while follower counts in the thousands might sound impressive, they mean nothing if customers aren’t actively engaging. Clicking the ‘like’ or ‘follow’ button doesn’t add any value to a business. Furthermore, if high follower counts are not backed up with high engagement rates, the profile in question could end up being more of a liability than a valuable asset. Branded discussion forums typically provide a much stronger sense of purpose and belonging. Driven by meaningful conversation, members are more likely to get involved and regularly check-in to see if people have replied to their posts.

I guess it is a big decision to make for the honchos, as much as they need members as much they need fans.

everyone needs fans you are a dead pigeon without fans.
Master GG said that there is a lot of good information in the forum from members and none members and that his time is devoted primarily to paid members and that is the right way to speak.
if any producer wants to become a master just follow GG.
GG has always been #1 and is loved by all.
I do not like his hands but I love him.
he takes care of his people within the castle walls and always attends to the peasant's cries.

some people talk shit but sometimes there is critical information among all that shit.
in my own opinion what this forum needs is a moderator an active one that gives warnings and weeks in the bin and bans repeated offenders for months or permanently.
you need to have a heart they are VIEWERS too.

give board power to a couple of paid members.
as the real moderator is too busy, who can blame him fapping to thousands of scenes, and cumming before anyone of us.
(they get the scenes before us) for free, don't they?

[dap-addict]

somehow AV must deal with those fucking assholes, or just give some kind of board power to some members.
like...... dap-addict.

There are also other daily valuable posters.
But important would indeed be sb at AV to take care to get at least some moderation here because indeed forum turns more and more into a mess with some recurring trolls posting the same message over and over in dozens of threads.
It's really annoying and driving people further away here!

Sure is also as Giorgio Grandi pointed out that the spending based direct chat option on Pornbox has rendered the forum another role. Users can communicate special wishes now directly.


Forum role would ideally be to gather a critical mass for an idea or an idea not shot often anymore. DVP was such a case, without forum discussions no serious studio would have invested in shooting that option.

Another important role of forum is the replacement an ever-absent coming-up-section.
Of course there are still a lot of speculations sometimes, but some posters for different reasons proof to be pretty good informed. Plus is its an interactive guessing - revealing some wishes and trends also.

Third, as already mentioned forum creates user ID and loyalty.

Forth, it would be great if the rear real reviews could be up-graded and ideally render some tickets. That would increase forum quality a lot!
xxx created an excellent tool with that gif-maker, but so far its 90% used for everything else than reviews.

Fifth, forum is an ideal place for porn nostalgists.



Finally I recently read 3-4 porn girls airing disgust and/or boredom with AVLP forum on social media. That makes me so sad! I'd wish posters would show more respect towards all performers.

Some basic knowledge of how these porn scenes are produced and also just general common sense about any kind of visual entertainment would help a lot. The first is explained here in many threads, but rookie posters visit model threads only usually and there it starts to get pretty nasty too soon. Imagine for once it was your thread and people would tell you what to do, what to wear or not etc!

[avanfurwet]

^ Good post from DAP-A.

It would be better if we all acted more like grown-ups and treated each other and the models with respect.

But in reality the forum contains a mix of porn consumers including the more thoughtful ones like DAP-A and some others, but also at the other end of the scale including some immature and inadequate anons who may have mental health issues, zero social skills, or perhaps just want to troll the models.

That's sad and the models are entitled to feel disappointed and angry.

But, as the cliche goes, the customer is not always right, but he is always the customer.

Those sad and sometimes dusturbed forum posters are also customers and possibly the ones most likely to (over)spend on their obsessions here and at 0nlyfans etc.

So I guess that models and producers who read the forum and sometimes even post here should try to keep cool and professional and maybe even gently try to educate us a little. And just rise above the chaos, noise and idiocy.

And we can all use the "ignore list" function to tune out the most annoying posters.

[visigoth2020260]

I would like to add something.

just like in the outside world, there are people here from all walks of life.
producers and models must learn to take advantage of this magnificent tool
at their disposal.

people are going to call you all kinds of names, diminish your work ridicule your attired
and so on.

this happens cause we all come from different backgrounds, and we all wish to fuck our neighbors or see them get fuck.

if someone is raised among monsters they would definitely feel at ease among them
or like tattoos, I myself do feel frightened, and uncomfortable by being in the presence of face-tattooed people, I consider them to be bad people, but others find it to be cool.

it is the same with the models, they need to look past the not-so-desirable comments
people are gonna talk shit no matter what, and yes the viewers need to learn to respect,
as many of our beautiful models do have low self-esteem, as many of us do too.

the viewers need to grow up, for instance, I am having a big dilemma with the comic situation in many of Chapman's scenes, sure the master is the one allowing or encouraging this to happen, ( the president of Ukraine was and is a funny man, and is loved by many and now is richer than ever ) in my humbled beginnings by this time I would for sure, have called Chapman all kind of names, but I gave it some thoughts and have made some post hinting to my dislike.
many viewers do find that which I do not like to be cool and that is how it is.
VIEWERS need to understand that.
there are some girls that I do not find to be of my taste and many of them are top-of-the-line for most of you, but I do not go on calling them names or stating that I do not find them attractive, porn is not solely made for me or you.

so I have come up with a great solution that once implemented I would certainly be at peace, and Mr Chapman will have all my support as to me, reviewing his acting to fix his acting to perfection, I think I think too much of myself. ...Vi, wake up, you are not in charge of this shit... you asshole.
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THE DAY THE FUNN ENDED IS WHEN IT REALLY STARTED.

Chapman's nightmare.

another day another scene, Chapman and his boys are just waiting for the girls to make their appearance, as Master GG has decided to give them a surprise.

the guys are joking among themselves, making dance moves and hand gestures, as they are waiting for their victim or victims, when all of a sudden two masked bitches in boots and capes enter the room and come within a close distance from C and his boys, taking a fighting stance, more like a
(kungfu stand)

the guys look at each other, said, wtf starts laughing, and ask themself, if, this is hollowing all over again.

the guys go up to the masked bitches and touch and fondle them as Chapman stays back looking at everything, the guys shout to Chapman.....this bitches are real tight, you gonna love them C.

now Chapman goes up to the two masked bitches ordering the guys to stay back... ( guys move away, pulling their cocks out and jerking as they look at their leader) ...he inspects the bitches fondling touching, humping them ( this bitches are like bronze statues no moving at all except for C humpings.

now chapman cracks a joke about the two masked bitches.

Went to the bank the other day and the chapette working there was wearing a mask. she was the loan arranger.

the guys started laughing, moving and stroking their cocks harder as one
of them ask Chopman to take the girl's masks.

as Chapman is about to take off one of the girl's mask, the girl all of a sudden come to life.

bending C's hand making him kneel and warning the guys to not interfere.

( and order the guys took with much pleasure as they were jerking off and the situation looked very splendid to them )

now the two bitches do their way with Chapman burring his face on their asses
throwing him from one girl to the other, humping him, sitting their asses on his face
pulling his pants down and sucking his cock, as all of this is happening, as all we can hear among the bitches wild feast is Chapman asking the guys for help, but the guys were memorized at what was happening in front of their faces, jerking fervently.

now the bitches take turns pissing on Chapman, some of the piss manages to touch the guy's feet and somehow they managed to react to what was happening, entering the action and giving a hand to C.

the two bitches in a sequence of kungfu moves manage to kneel all of the guys right next to Chapman.
and piss on their faces. as they asked for forgiveness with handstands as they kneeled.

the two bitches run out of piss.
one says to the other, let's have some of Chapman piss and spit it on this fucking assholes.

so they did,
they both kneeled in from of Chapman as all the naked guys were kneeling by their sides.

Chapman was so perturbed by this situation that he was not able to piss on the girls,
so the masked bitches started to jerk his cock real fast and, sucking on it, demanding his piss.

but when Chapman finally was able to piss on the girl's faces/mouths the two masked bitches drank some of it as Chopman's piss stream was unbearable, and this is how the two
masked bitches lost their masks and cape, but the guys were such good sports that they let them maintain their boots on. as they took anal, revenge on the two ex-masked bitches.
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VIEWER you can add all that you would like to see.....DAP, TAP PISS FOUNTAIN just name it.
the girls would have to be in masks, lingerie, boots, and capes to make it easy.

at least say no, this shit sounds stupid.

don't be afraid if you give this forum the time it needs you'll learn to cater to the viewers and yourself, do not be afraid of what anyone says there are only words.
VIEWERS, please be a little more respectful, no bitches no porn.

my fingers are crossed.

[nilis]

Making it members only will not solve all problems here, like users adding new, pointless topics or the spamming by this guy above. Moderation is needed; at least two people making the rounds.