Effects of war in Ukraine on Europorn?

[Giorgio Grandi]

The total blowup of european borders control is not only toward russian, but toward other countries as well. We got performers from south america deported for absolutely no reason in amsterdam and other layover city

I do not want even point on the psychological pressure to which some performers have been subjected on passport control: phone requisition, some of them stripped naked and one even brought to hospital for abdominal x-ray.

The arrogance of border control to ppl that do not have a european passport is really out of control, specially toward young women.
Europe is turning into a cheap version of soviet union where only ppl from a range of country are welcome, regardless the international treaties with other countries.

It is simple disgusting what is going.

[Grrrka]

The only thing that will spur PornBox to action is if their supply of Waka is cutoff. Most fans are not here for the ladies.

[dap-addict]

The arrogance of border control to ppl that do not have a european passport is really out of control, specially toward young women.

You point sth out I wasn't aware in such an extent, Giorgio.
Its crazy what war in Ukraine turned EU to. I'm with every woman hassled on EU entry and/or EU borders, but solidarity doesn't help them much, sadly.
Only old rule of grassroots combinations against authorities helps here, Italians always knew how it works, some Eastern Europeans, too. But EU bureaucracy is turning day after day into stronger force enslaving citizens and people than passing on freedoms.
I dont wanna go into EU politics, for me its still just very sad on a simple people level, and sad they claim women liberations and gender equality, but they treat young women like sub-people!

[dap-addict]

Is this already an 2023 alarm?!
As for January there is just 1 Russian hardcore porn actress visting EU.
I know of a second one travelling for porn work from Russia to Prague soon, but that makes only 2.

On top of that I dont see any Ukrainian girls working in Prague of Budapest currently either, except one.

This once vast talent pool is currently dying because of war and EU boycot politics!

[2017sucks]

Europe is turning into a cheap version of soviet union

It is simple disgusting what is going.

Well, thats just a real few millenium old face, finally visible again, at the light of Sun, pushing that false democracy mask.

And "freedom of speech" about anything is special story. Equals the same range in Germany, 80-90 years. Should all the Jews be killed or kicked out... No discussion about that. It should. But.. Thats where the freedom starts, you can choose and propose, 5, 10, 20 methods of killing. For kicking out as well, to put them on trains, let them walk, or swim in ocean, maybe some of them will survive.

[dap-addict]

Wouldnt go so far, but absolutely disgusting is how EU treats non-EU citizens at borders!
And especially young women!
Fuck their so called women's liberation, if Russian girls can't even work on own choice in European anymore!

[dap-addict]

* in Europorn, not European!

[YuriyProneBone]

The total blowup of european borders control is not only toward russian, but toward other countries as well. We got performers from south america deported for absolutely no reason in amsterdam and other layover city

I do not want even point on the psychological pressure to which some performers have been subjected on passport control: phone requisition, some of them stripped naked and one even brought to hospital for abdominal x-ray.

The arrogance of border control to ppl that do not have a european passport is really out of control, specially toward young women.
Europe is turning into a cheap version of soviet union where only ppl from a range of country are welcome, regardless the international treaties with other countries.

It is simple disgusting what is going.

I agree 100%. Problem are those politicians affiliated with the WEF, also anything relating to Open Society Foundations NGOs, including activists. They are ruining society as we speak.

[dap-addict]

I do not want even point on the psychological pressure to which some performers have been subjected on passport control: phone requisition, some of them stripped naked and one even brought to hospital for abdominal x-ray.
(...)
Europe is turning into a cheap version of soviet union where only ppl from a range of country are welcome...

Thats the main problem, the rest is politics and I dont wanna discuss politics here. See OP!
But closed borders keep Russian girl out of Prague currently, and it tends to get worse, not better.
Only 2 hardcore imports to Bp and Prg in January 2023 says it all.
It used to be 10 or more per month.

[YuriyProneBone]

You can't separate politics from this because politics are causing the problem.

[dap-addict]

Yes, but we dont have to discuss that in this thread!
This thread is about logistics and real changes, changes you can see in agencies offers, later in porn productions etc.

Just another observation: Both Russia and EU have received an influx of about 2,5 Mid Ukrainian refugees each, no matter how they got there. Russia is currently home to 2,85 Mio, EU to 2,3 Mio.
There were some speculations that some of the for instance 475'000 Ukrainian refugees in Czech might look for work also in porn and thus number of active Ukrainian porn girls would rise. Nothing like this happened. Because is Giorgio Grandi put somewhere here half a year ago, refugees are not a feasible talent pool.
A bit a different situation is in Russia. If you check Russian adult agencies you start to see new faces from Ukraine. It has to show in videos first, but better stay tuned to that new trend.


And btw, YPB, just check agencies and you'll see it, its not rumors, its just what you can see happening, and for this I dont need politics nor how and why these young Russian women went to Russia. Fact is they are there now and they need work to make ends meet end of each month. And Russian refugee support agencies are probably less generous.

[YuriyProneBone]

The whole they need make ends meet sounds like you are projecting. Everyone needs to make ends meet. It is a totally unnecessary assumption because people will make ends meet any way they please, and it has nothing to do with whether they choose porn or not. If people wants to make porn is because they want to, liked to be fucked, etc..

[Iddaoeeok]

If people wants to make porn is because they want to, liked to be fucked, etc..

Yeah, sure

[YuriyProneBone]

If people wants to make porn is because they want to, liked to be fucked, etc..

Yeah, sure

Same goes with people trafficking drugs, washing money, politicians on Government taking money from elites, etc.. You can always do something else even if it doesn't pay the same. Everyone has needs and they do what they want. Only exceptions are when you are threatened, coerced, or black mailed.

Plus porn is a very honorable and respected way to make a living for women, just like escorting; unless you have been brainwashed with Middle Ages rhetoric, in which case it is the opposite, but people will be ignorant regardless.

[vvvv84335]

If you want to understand how a situation got to where it is you have to know the history... That being said, facism has historically been on the rise in desperate times. You will have desperate people who are convinced and manipulated by populist leaders who give them someone to blame or a cause to rally behind. It never solves any of their issues, it only makes issues worse.

Let's just hope that we as a species can learn something from our the senseless and destructive wars - that is to avoid them at all cost if we can.

[dap-addict]

Hey, vvvv, this thread is really only about effects, not causes!
There are many other threads about this fucking war, mainly in Off-Topic section, go there for these kind of discussions please!


And just to add to my post above: What is crucial is the freedom of choice which jobs who wants to perform to gain money. Russian Federation garantees this to foreigners living there, EU does the same. Here both still adhere same values.

[YuriyProneBone]

If you want to understand how a situation got to where it is you have to know the history... That being said, facism has historically been on the rise in desperate times. You will have desperate people who are convinced and manipulated by populist leaders who give them someone to blame or a cause to rally behind. It never solves any of their issues, it only makes issues worse.

Let's just hope that we as a species can learn something from our the senseless and destructive wars - that is to avoid them at all cost if we can.

We need more populist leaders because what we call democracy isn't democracy at all, it is the real fascism, it runs the interests of big oil, big pharma, and the military industrial complex, disregarding people's wants, and people have no saying in it.

Though-out history the problem has always been an oligarchy class that believes they can run the show better than everyone else, and people that suck their cocks because it makes them feel intellectual, even though they are just pawns and puppets.

Now I do agree communism is a big problem, but so it is corporations and financial institutions deciding how you should live your life, and giving you false narratives to make you feel guilty of things that are natural, or selling half truths, so you can have a seldom defensive argument in favor of something that is is clearly machiavellic, therefore immoral.

[Iddaoeeok]

There's an Off Topic forum if you feel like sharing your absolutely fascinating political philosophy with the world. Failing that there's the entire internet, why not see if anyone is interested there instead?

[vvvv84335]

Hey, vvvv, this thread is really only about effects, not causes!
There are many other threads about this fucking war, mainly in Off-Topic section, go there for these kind of discussions please!


And just to add to my post above: What is crucial is the freedom of choice which jobs who wants to perform to gain money. Russian Federation garantees this to foreigners living there, EU does the same. Here both still adhere same values.

Sorry, did not mean to invite to discussion, which is why I tried to stay vague. I just wanted to express how horrific it is for people affected.

[YuriyProneBone]

Sorry, did not mean to invite to discussion, which is why I tried to stay vague. I just wanted to express how horrific it is for people affected.

At this point you can't really stop it. The establishment in U.S., and the European Union have too much advantage, which is the ability to censor, the ongoing narratives to make people feel guilty, not to mention they can now read your biometrics and influence they way you think in ways it wasn't popular before.

We are heading in the direction where people will willingly give their freedom away for security and to be perceived as conscious citizens. And even the small group that may still be able to have their own thinking and oppose the new structures, will likely be labeled outcasts and crazy.

So everyone will be affected with a social point system, even more radical surveillance, and very defined limits to personal growth. No more capital transferring, everything monitored through digital currencies, universal IDs, and even means of transportation that can be controlled. An economy based on subscriptions where you owe nothing and pay for everything.

There will be obviously good selling points, including try to make you feel guilty type of narratives, and also some very good society benefits hard to miss, while hiding the things you lost, so there is no protests against it, otherwise you can't drive your card, you can't use your money, and micro-sanctions that will make sure you can't function in society. Things of that nature.

[dap-addict]

Only 2 hardcore imports to Bp and Prg in January 2023 says it all.
It used to be 10 or more per month.

After re-checking main exporter from Russia, number has doubled.
Still bad, but 4 Russian talents in EU is something to work with at least!

[dap-addict]

Btw, travel logistics Russia>EU>Russia arnt better in early 2023, though.
A girl I know will be on her way to Prague again for over 20h in January, incl. 2-3 flight legs. Its completely crazy!

[YuriyProneBone]

After re-checking main exporter from Russia, number has doubled.
Still bad, but 4 Russian talents in EU is something to work with at least!

4 brand new Russian imports for Gonzo, and GIO 7 on 1, BBC anal gangbangs with piss and DAP?

Let me guess:

- Karolina Geirman
- Lola Bredly
- Bunny Loveheart
- Sofa Weber

Either that or:

- Eva Barbie
- Kira Viburn
- Emma Korti
- Loli Pop

Also it could be:

- Nika Bride
- Kitsune Lizz
- Fiore Sun
- Sofi Li

Or maybe:

- Hot Pearl
- Kamy Yammy
- Eva Tender
- Funky Town

If not, then:

- Ellis Bailey
- Goldie Small
- Carla Cage
- Pure Kitty

Possibly:

- Agata Briz
- Regina Moonshine
- Emily Ratakovski
- Milka

Perhaps:

- Stefany Kyler
- Leo Ahsoka
- Ice Di
- Lia Lin

Remember some girls come back from retirement, it could also be:

- WhiteNeko
- Ella Elastic
- Barcelona
- Vivian Grace

Then there is the option of:

- Baby Bamby
- Cyber Shot
- Bella Grey
- Berlin

Actually, I just realize I can keep going, on and on and on, but I won't because it is so sad to think how much insanely amazing talent there is in Russia that can't travel because of stupid sanctions. I would love to see girls like those in Natasha Teen, Yummy, Latin Teens, Studio PL, you name it, and Czech Republic studios too.

I already like the ones we have already like Kitty Li, Sweetie Plum, Kitty Doll88, Angie Moon, Mia Capri, Nicole Black, Stacy Bloom, Darcy Dark, Monika Fox, Elen Million, Julia Red, Ledy Gi, Zlata Shine, Elena Lux, Nensi Fox, Crystal Richi, etc., etc., etc..... But more would be amazing.

[JBird]

After re-checking main exporter from Russia, number has doubled.
Still bad, but 4 Russian talents in EU is something to work with at least!

Is it really a good thing for Russian models to go to Prague? There's no evidence to suggest the main studios there know what they're doing nowadays with stars who have made their name in Russia. Look at the shambles they have made with Kitty Doll88 and Kitty Li. Crystal Richi, Darcy Dark and Mari Galore have not exactly made a major mark with them either.

As for Russian nationals who started in Prague within the last 12 months (Sasha Beart arrived 2 years ago), Madison Quinn is only just in the top 1,000 models listed on AnalVids by popularity. She is only just in the top 400 sellers out of around 600 models used by her main studio, Gonzo, where she shot 8 scenes. Going to Prague guarantees precisely NOTHING and anyone encouraging models to pursue this rainbow is being absurdly optimistic.

[dap-addict]

Popularity rankings are one thing, but talent pool diversification and especially also profit from Russian girls for Prague based studios is another. We know the ranks, but we do not know the financial performance of scenes with Russian models.

Also please take into account that my recent poll about main porn wishes for 2023 has high scores for more Russian girls again: viewtopic.php?f=96&t=53423

[YuriyProneBone]

Is it really a good thing for Russian models to go to Prague? There's no evidence to suggest the main studios there know what they're doing nowadays with stars who have made their name in Russia. Look at the shambles they have made with Kitty Doll88 and Kitty Li. Crystal Richi, Darcy Dark and Mari Galore have not exactly made a major mark with them either.

As for Russian nationals who started in Prague within the last 12 months (Sasha Beart arrived 2 years ago), Madison Quinn is only just in the top 1,000 models listed on AnalVids by popularity. She is only just in the top 400 sellers out of around 600 models used by her main studio, Gonzo, where she shot 8 scenes. Going to Prague guarantees precisely NOTHING and anyone encouraging models to pursue this rainbow is being absurdly optimistic.

I agree with this. The only times I have seen a good use of models that first appeared on Russian studios is with Kitty Doll88, Sweetie Plum, and Alita Angel. But for the most part they really waste a lot of talent by shooting very little, which is the case with Alexa Flexy, Pinky Breeze, Darcy Dark, etc., that could have done more scenes.

I imagine it can be directly correlated with models not selling right away because to be fair sometimes it takes time for models to get discovered, specially now with all the clutter on the site, but eventually people like me will buy all Kitty Doll88 videos, and other girls.

[JBird]

Popularity rankings are one thing, but talent pool diversification and especially also profit from Russian girls for Prague based studios is another. We know the ranks, but we do not know the financial performance of scenes with Russian models.

Also please take into account that my recent poll about main porn wishes for 2023 has high scores for more Russian girls again: viewtopic.php?f=96&t=53423

Popularity = sales. As far as I am aware, studios effectively told Kitty Doll88 and Kitty Li that their sales were not good enough to justify asking them back. Explain that one away.

[dap-addict]

Another side effect of the complicated and expensive flights needed from Russia to Prague now because of EU boycott is that it looks like more and more studios make porn girls pay for their own work stay. Their reasoning is that transport costs were so expensive that no money was left for accommodation.

Flight prices indeed went up up to 5-10 times as compared to before that war.
But blaming that on the girls is just poor practice really.

[dap-addict]

Slightly better news: Some test runs of commuting performers on the land route between Bp and Prg have shown that border corneal crisis of last Autumn is over and especially girls can pass freely back and forth again, also on the direct train taking 7 hours now.
No harrassment against young female Russian passport holders noted.

[JBird]

They seem to have tried AirSerbia, flying from Prague to Belgrade then on to St Petersburg/Moscow, but any studio owner or model doing that with the information now available would be completely mad.

The one day a week without a long layover in Belgrade involves an outward flight from the latter city that's scheduled to arrive in Prague at 19.35 BUT the connection back is scheduled to leave at 20.05. Predictably, the flight is late as often as not and there is no certainty of making the connection to Piter in Belgrade either since there is only 1 hour scheduled between the plane from Prague landing and the second plane taking off.

If you think that's bad, the situation got even worse with one model yesterday since the flight from Belgrade arrived close to Prague (as shown on the flight tracker) but inexplicably turned round without landing and went to Vienna, landing there. So sadly the girl was stuck in Prague for another night and won't get to Piter until 01.00 tomorrow morning. Life is tough enough for these girls without having to deal with that sort of nonsense.

[dap-addict]

As far as I know there are eventually more imports from Russia planned again.
What is needed however is careful travel and flight planning by sb really in charge for that with studio and not booking of the cheapest airway available without any further thought. It's simply not sustainable that way.
And on top studio owners wouldn't book their holidays in Ibiza or Maldives that way either!

[RUShersgapersrises]

Europe is turning into a cheap version of soviet union

It is simple disgusting what is going.

Well, thats just a real few millenium old face, finally visible again, at the light of Sun, pushing that false democracy mask.

And "freedom of speech" about anything is special story. Equals the same range in Germany, 80-90 years. Should all the Jews be killed or kicked out... No discussion about that. It should. But.. Thats where the freedom starts, you can choose and propose, 5, 10, 20 methods of killing. For kicking out as well, to put them on trains, let them walk, or swim in ocean, maybe some of them will survive.

Dear 2017sucks you dont want to "own nothing and be happy"?Then you are a naughty citizen and you will get a black dot.

And as for models travel problems...No one is forcing them to go shooting porn to the other end of the world.They can calmly starve to fcukin death. Democratically,of course...

And sorry mr dap-addict if Im OT..

[dap-addict]

Porn biz finds its ways eventually always, it just took some time.
After 1 year or war I finally see more Russian girls coming to EU porn tours again.
There are some nice girls offering DAP and more listed for March and April already. Ukrainian girl input stays at same level as far as I can see. No changes at that front.

[zeusanalfreak299]

That's strange. I would expect to have much more Ukrainian models. Because now they can easier travel and live in eu countries much longer than before.

[dap-addict]

Yes, they can but there is a lot of mainstream work in EU waiting for them as well. On top they are offered social money in many countries. Also, Ukrainian society is more traditional in terms of sexual morals, it's a pretty conservative society actually.

[dap-addict]

That's strange. I would expect to have much more Ukrainian models. Because now they can easier travel and live in eu countries much longer than before.

Ukrainian models start to flow into porn in Russia instead because there are less job options.
Kate Love is first one I noticed: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/280323 (EK116)
Russian producers told me about that Ukrainian rookie trend beginning of this year, but for weeks nothing happened. So far Kate Love is the only Ukr-rookie I spotted, but there might be more.

[dap-addict]

There is an increase in Russian models travelling to EU for porn work since mid April again.
Some upcoming models are open up to TAP and haven't worked for AVLP yet, also not in Russia.
Meanwhile we have also seen first Ukrainian teens working on Prague sets in April.

[Destroyherass]

If more girls get into porn cause of the military operation, at least we get something good out of it.

[dap-addict]

Russia to EU Import seems to stabilize.
There will be some newbies soon so far open only up to anal.
Not that much happening on Ukrainian side yet.

Generally EU agencies are also trying more to breach out into Colombia and even Japan again. Looks like it's dictated by difficult and costly Russian import routes.

Another take is some Russian girls got far less porn bookings than they expected. And studios under economic burden try to pass costs formerly covered to girls, especially also travel costs. At the same time fees payed especially in Prague stay pretty high.
However, for some formerly known Russian girls it doesnt pay really with all these higher costs. On the long run I'd expect more fee flexibility by middle size studios to compensate travel investments again fully payed by them.

[lakota123]

I hope the 2nd Russian civil war doesn't interfere with the releases :'(