most beautiful escort you met

[poldijk]

Hi guys,

I created this thread to open a discussion about our cutest escort experience. The purpose is NOT to make advertising for escort girl/agency since the girls I'm sharing here are not in the business anymore, and their website is closed.

Some of you will think, and I understand, that it makes no sense to share pictures from the middle age. There is no porn video available, and it is impossible to meet the girls because they were in the business some years ago. Maybe some of them are still active on new website, but I never found them !

It is just for the pleasure of the eyes. If you have some pics of escort you met, deep in your harddrive, you're welcome to share

At 250€/hour (+100€ for anal), this expensive passion has to be handled with moderation. Even if I appreciate gastronomic food, I have to admit that the 350€ spent to have the girl of your dream in your arms gave me much more emotion and souvenir than a restaurant !

I will split the presentation into several categories (cutest, busty, slender, 18+ and the ones I missed). Let's start with the cutest

Melissa

face : 10/10
breast : 5/10
body : 10/10
anal : yes

Sexdiary : As a newbie, i was under stress by thinking about fake pics or heavy photoshop modification. Not at all, she was really the girl on the pictures, she reminds me a french model, estelle lefebure (in young). I was just surprised that she looked much younger than the pictures (after booking a couple of girls, I can confirm this is happening all the time). Because of my lake of escort experience, I coulnd't believe an escort could be so nice, careful, almost GFE. I had the idea of the boring and sad prostitute. Of course the behaviour of the customer is part of the success. Doing anal sex with such a blonde cutie was unforgettable.
I met her again once she had silicon tits, it was a nice experience to meet a girl with a new body because her tits were beautiful and well balanced, she didn't want to have those giant big fake boobs.

Adele

face : 10/10
breast : 5/10
body : 10/10
anal : no

Sexdiary : once again, when she opened the door, i was surprised to see a girl about max 20y old and not the girl of the picture who looks 25y or more. She gave me the feeling to win to the lotery and be allowed to have sex with the most beautiful girl of the college. A real princess, like Melissa, very nice and smilling.
My only failure is that I had only 250€, she was not officialy providing A-level, but after discussion, she said she was ok for anal sex….but no money, no honey!

[Ursus69]

Ok, what city and what website do you find these girls?

[netzerkaiser]

Great thread

Had a chance with Monica Unco in '07 but bottled out.

Great thread, kudos

[poldijk]

Great thread

Had a chance with Monica Unco in '07 but bottled out.

Great thread, kudos

Hi Netzerkaiser, thanks for your support.

I remember Monica, a slender brunette with such a cute pussy and a pinky round asshole, perfect for mister kuckmal (Jean-yves le castel)
too bad if your meeting failed.

the only pornstar I met was Benta, from amour-russe. Very shy girl, nothing to do with her porn activity
it was a nightmare, she didn't have condom, and neither do I. I had to buy it and by chance, in the (luxury) hotel where I was, the reception told me there is a condom distributor within the hotel, and finally, I got my anal party with Benta

[Starrio]

They have some smoking ones in L.A., some are imports, others are local. The key is to try a little bit of everything. It can get very expensive though, specially if you are the type of guy that likes to take his time if you know what I mean.

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Usually the service is like real life girlfriend experience, which is something you don't usually get in that business. However nothing is better than the thrill of going out to the beach, get a social media contact, then go on a few dates, and ultimately end up in your place having some fun time.

At the end of the day you may end up spending the same amount, but the challenge of meeting someone new on your own is always more meaningful, and the sex is more exciting when you pull down those panties.

However, I do agree there is nothing wrong with having some fun with room service too. Specially if you can get a room with a hot tub, or a private swimming pool.

[Starrio]

Be wary of L.A. escorts high STI/STD and these women do not discern customers so much.

Rich man can have diseases. Many DO!

Correct, but it is mostly because of drugs, sex alone isn't usually the problem.

[Starrio]

The same goes with non escorts, there is really no difference, anyone that engages in drugs is always at high risk.

[Starrio]

Many women do take care of themselves and avoid these risky situations, but not all do, so it is always good to keep that in mind, again, regardless if she is an escort or not.

[Starrio]

You can get diseases anywhere, escorts or not escorts.

[Starrio]

You get STDs from sex, it doesn't matter who or where, if the other person has it, she can give it to you. When it comes to venereal diseases you can get them in many different ways. But the use of drugs is the most likely way to get them since drugs leave you vulnerable to do stupid things.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

In my personal experiences, I often found that the more beautiful the escort was...usually, the less good their attitude and willingness to deliver an intense, solid performance would be.
However, of course that is not the case for every escort but that was from my own personal experiences. Whenever, I found a very attractive girl who also delivered great service...she was a keeper for many sessions.

I found that it was best to take recommendations, reviews seriously, and to strike a compromise with attractiveness and performance.
That often made for the best sessions.

[Junior_oliveira_JuniorOlvr]

Here in Brazil we pay between 80 and 200 Reais (17 - 42 U$$) for 1 full hour with intermediate level Latino girls, which are not found in Europe. The high-level ones who use Instagram and are famous are between 300 and 1000 reais (64 - 210 U$$).

[poldijk]

They have some smoking ones in L.A., some are imports, others are local. The key is to try a little bit of everything. It can get very expensive though, specially if you are the type of guy that likes to take his time if you know what I mean.

Usually the service is like real life girlfriend experience, which is something you don't usually get in that business. However nothing is better than the thrill of going out to the beach, get a social media contact, then go on a few dates, and ultimately end up in your place having some fun time.

At the end of the day you may end up spending the same amount, but the challenge of meeting someone new on your own is always more meaningful, and the sex is more exciting when you pull down those panties.

However, I do agree there is nothing wrong with having some fun with room service too. Specially if you can get a room with a hot tub, or a private swimming pool.

Hi Stario,

thanks for sharing your pics, you're my first contributor

Did you meet the girls you're showing? If yes, you're lucky Nancy Ace has a stunning body, slender and natural tits. As well as "melanie", wow, I like this kind of mix latina/oriental style.

I agree, going to the beach or restaurant with the escort to have a real GFE experience before sex is priceless. But actually, it has a price . at 250€/h (average price for a beautiful girl from Eastern Europe), I would have to spend 1000€, which is for me....4 meetings !

excepting in Thailand where you can have a real GFE experience with the girl during 10days for 500€, escort price prevents me to take my time to pull down those panties

[poldijk]

You can get diseases anywhere, escorts or not escorts.

Likelihood of diseases is >>> from sex with escorts. +encounters + partners= increase likelihood STI.

Population variance = sex with at risk population by escorts=high risk.

L.A. is little discernment, just rich.

you guys are wrecking my thread dedicated to beautiful ladies with your scary diseases , i'm joking. THis is not off topic, escort vs sexual disease.

I will do the devil's advocate. Vagabundo, you're the devil . In France, girls coming from eastern europe stay 15days with several rdv per day. They will have 30/40 different dicks in their mouth....and since all those guys are kissing the girls, herpes is not far away.
in term of STI likelihood, it's a good base!

oh my God, I'm wrecking the topic myself
personnaly, I never grab any STI and I never heard about it from customers, but it is not a myth, for sure.
apart from the statistics, our own life experience is also important to balance our opinion. On my side, the only stuff I heard is a friend who grab molluscum arround the penis (as Vagabundo is saying, even with a condom, you can grab some stuff arround your penis).

The doctor had to remove the molluscum with a scalpel, scary experience, you think twice before meeting a girl

but the girl was not an escort, she was a "one and done" in a nightclub. Therefore, I agree with both of you

[poldijk]

In my personal experiences, I often found that the more beautiful the escort was...usually, the less good their attitude and willingness to deliver an intense, solid performance would be.
However, of course that is not the case for every escort but that was from my own personal experiences. Whenever, I found a very attractive girl who also delivered great service...she was a keeper for many sessions.

I found that it was best to take recommendations, reviews seriously, and to strike a compromise with attractiveness and performance.
That often made for the best sessions.

Hi xxxVIPERxxx,

i agree, reviews are the key. What we hate when doing escorting is to be disappointed (wrong pics, bad girl's attitude).

i've been quit lucky with my meetings with beautiful escorts, but sometimes, something went wrong, mainly because the girl was tired of this olympic games (15days in France). I will explain it in the futur sexdiaries.
As you said, once we found the pearl, we keep it . Melissa was a keeper, whose beauty is rivalled only by her kindness.

[poldijk]

Here in Brazil we pay between 80 and 200 Reais (17 - 42 U$$) for 1 full hour with intermediate level Latino girls, which are not found in Europe. The high-level ones who use Instagram and are famous are between 300 and 1000 reais (64 - 210 U$$).

if I could meet Khali Noire for 1000reais, I would be in paradise

I'm particularly attracted by Brazilian girls, very tanned, like Thaï girls but with bigger chest!

do you have some pics of your encounters to share?

[dap-addict]

if I could meet Khali Noire for 1000reais, I would be in paradise

Just considering whether I'd prefer to fall in porn-"love" with Khali Noir and keep a platonic relation or fuck her ass!
I think she's too sweet for escort!

Btw, how much is anal on top in Brasil?

[Junior_oliveira_JuniorOlvr]

if I could meet Khali Noire for 1000reais, I would be in paradise

Just considering whether I'd prefer to fall in porn-"love" with Khali Noir and keep a platonic relation or fuck her ass!
I think she's too sweet for escort!

Btw, how much is anal on top in Brasil?

Here in Brazil the full service you can easily find for 150 reais (31,63 U$$) an hour with beautiful girls. On social networks like Facebook, Tinder, Instagram it is easier to look for women who need money.

[Junior_oliveira_JuniorOlvr]

Here in Brazil we are a developing country that is experiencing high unemployment. That's why many civilian women are using social media to prostitute themselves. Frauds (fake girl) are very common on escort sites around here, so it is best to use social networks that allow you to analyze body, face and talk directly to them.

[dap-addict]

Full service = anal included?
How much for non-condom (tested ofc)?

[Junior_oliveira_JuniorOlvr]

Full service = anal included?
How much for non-condom (tested ofc)?

12-21 U$$ - 30 minutes, basic service.

31-42 U$$: 1 full hour, 2 ejaculations, with mouth kiss, blowjob and anal.

52-63 U$$: 2 full hours, free ejaculation.

+ 63 U$$: They spend the night with the client to do as many times as they want.

P.S If you're clean, and you offer about 20 U$$ more, maybe they'll do it without a condom. Social network ones are easier to accept than website ones and also safer.

P.s The Brazilian currency is very devalued, hence the low values ​​in dollars.

[poldijk]

if I could meet Khali Noire for 1000reais, I would be in paradise

Just considering whether I'd prefer to fall in porn-"love" with Khali Noir and keep a platonic relation or fuck her ass!
I think she's too sweet for escort!

Btw, how much is anal on top in Brasil?

Hi dap-addict
the king of DAP came in my topic, it is an honor, even if i'm not fan of DAP

you're right, Khali is too sweet for escorting. I'm just thinking about the relation I had with nice escort like Melissa, she gave me kindness and she received the same in return.
but when I think about escort review where the punter is proud to say he fucked the girl like an animal, for sure, I don't want to see a princess like Khali in this nightmare

since i'm following Khali's official topic, I discovered your porn love with her . Personnaly, i'm not waiting to see her doing DAP, I would rather see her in college uniform, playing to the anal virgin with several toy size and finally lose her anal virginity in 1to1.

To each his own, I respect the differences
let's have a nonude gif to honor her. i'm sure you grab this cute video before me

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just to be smarter tonight, whe you write "I take this Brasilian prices from the recent civilian escort thread" what do you mean by "civilian"?

[netzerkaiser]

Great thread

Had a chance with Monica Unco in '07 but bottled out.

Great thread, kudos

Hi Netzerkaiser, thanks for your support.

I remember Monica, a slender brunette with such a cute pussy and a pinky round asshole, perfect for mister kuckmal (Jean-yves le castel)
too bad if your meeting failed.

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the only pornstar I met was Benta, from amour-russe. Very shy girl, nothing to do with her porn activity
it was a nightmare, she didn't have condom, and neither do I. I had to buy it and by chance, in the (luxury) hotel where I was, the reception told me there is a condom distributor within the hotel, and finally, I got my anal party with Benta

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I've never been with a prostitute. Monica was only time I was tempted.

Wow! You were with Edita Bente?! I was living in Ireland in late 2000's & this story broke, she was Ryanair girl at the time & this asshole who claimed to be her boyfriend outed her as a air hostess pornstar. Michael o'Leary, to his eternal credit stood by her.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/he ... 10082.html

https://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/erica.html (check forum EBI)!

You're a legend!!!

[netzerkaiser]

Great thread

Had a chance with Monica Unco in '07 but bottled out.

Great thread, kudos

Hi Netzerkaiser, thanks for your support.

I remember Monica, a slender brunette with such a cute pussy and a pinky round asshole, perfect for mister kuckmal (Jean-yves le castel)
too bad if your meeting failed.

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the only pornstar I met was Benta, from amour-russe. Very shy girl, nothing to do with her porn activity
it was a nightmare, she didn't have condom, and neither do I. I had to buy it and by chance, in the (luxury) hotel where I was, the reception told me there is a condom distributor within the hotel, and finally, I got my anal party with Benta

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I've never been with a prostitute. Monica was only time I was tempted.

Wow! You were with Edita Bente?! I was living in Ireland in late 2000's & this story broke, she was Ryanair girl at the time & this asshole who claimed to be her boyfriend outed her as a air hostess pornstar. Michael o'Leary, to his eternal credit stood by her.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/he ... 10082.html

https://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/erica.html (check forum EBI)!

You're a legend!!!

[poldijk]

I've never been with a prostitute. Monica was only time I was tempted.

Wow! You were with Edita Bente?! I was living in Ireland in late 2000's & this story broke, she was Ryanair girl at the time & this asshole who claimed to be her boyfriend outed her as a air hostess pornstar. Michael o'Leary, to his eternal credit stood by her.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/he ... 10082.html

https://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/erica.html (check forum EBI)!

You're a legend!!!

life is unfair, i'm not a legend
i'm talking about Benta! the former anal teen (https://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/sarah_5.html)

but interesting story about the private life of Bente. Kudos to the boss who didn't fire her, i'm impressed: "What she did before she joined the company is no business of ours," said the spokesman. "

and she is in the ryanair calendar! I think it's her on the top of the motor, in purple bikini.

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but since we're on pornbox, I have no other choice but talking about her yummy puffy peach pussy....a wonder (and I remember also this anal scene you displayed, even if there is no gap, this video is hot )

as a member of the hostess fantasm fanclub, I would give anything to....travel with her

[netzerkaiser]

Damn it, they sure look a-like!

[dap-addict]

just to be smarter tonight, whe you write "I take this Brasilian prices from the recent civilian escort thread" what do you mean by "civilian"?

I meant to say that these are prices payed by punters but not porn studios. Civilian as private opposed to adult biz professional porn studios. But from these prices someone not familiar with Brasilian porn going rates like me could forecast porn performer rates - plus-minus I mean.


As for Khali Noir: Thanks a lot for that gif of Oscar's airport YT-video!
She is soooooo sweet!
Nevertheless no DAP = no porn-"love" with me! It sounds mean, I know!

[poldijk]

I meant to say that these are prices payed by punters but not porn studios. Civilian as private opposed to adult biz professional porn studios. But from these prices someone not familiar with Brasilian porn going rates like me could forecast porn performer rates - plus-minus I mean.

thanks for your clarification, because in french, civil means you are not in the police/army

As for Khali Noir: Thanks a lot for that gif of Oscar's airport YT-video!
She is soooooo sweet!
Nevertheless no DAP = no porn-"love" with me! It sounds mean, I know!

i started to watch porn during the 90's and I stick to the model 1on1 with erotism, a girl wearing a dress, with a cameraman trying to get some upskirt, increasing the pleasure step by step, using sex toys, with a girl behaving innocently and confused until sexual pleasure is arriving, and....deep anal sex (i'm sure you guess I like japanese porn, excepting the boring screaming)

that's what i wish for princess like Khali, it's what I'm doing in the real life with my girlfriend.

I have one question about DP/DAP fans, do you like only to see DAP or you do/wish to practice it in the real life?

[Junior_oliveira_JuniorOlvr]

I heard rumors that the fees for actresses who pay in Brazil vary between 500 - 1500 reais (105-315 U$$). And here the "pee" market is not very attractive. Here in Brazil the few studios are losing to private artists and tube sites and they have moved on to other formats like reality-show porn. The actresses are also becoming escorts and investing in their private channels.

[vvvv84335]

I meant to say that these are prices payed by punters but not porn studios. Civilian as private opposed to adult biz professional porn studios. But from these prices someone not familiar with Brasilian porn going rates like me could forecast porn performer rates - plus-minus I mean.

thanks for your clarification, because in french, civil means you are not in the police/army

As for Khali Noir: Thanks a lot for that gif of Oscar's airport YT-video!
She is soooooo sweet!
Nevertheless no DAP = no porn-"love" with me! It sounds mean, I know!

i started to watch porn during the 90's and I stick to the model 1on1 with erotism, a girl wearing a dress, with a cameraman trying to get some upskirt, increasing the pleasure step by step, using sex toys, with a girl behaving innocently and confused until sexual pleasure is arriving, and....deep anal sex (i'm sure you guess I like japanese porn, excepting the boring screaming)

that's what i wish for princess like Khali, it's what I'm doing in the real life with my girlfriend.

I have one question about DP/DAP fans, do you like only to see DAP or you do/wish to practice it in the real life?

I think it depends on the situation. If all are clean and if the right chemistry is there... I might want to try it, but it's hard to say until you've been in a situation where you have the opportunity. For now it's mostly just a fantasy, but I won't say a HARD no.

On a side note, there should not be taboo/stigma about any sexual act as long as everyone involved is participating willingly. If we got over this social stigma, a lot of us could live richer lives than we currently do! The most important thing is to be safe.

[poldijk]

I think it depends on the situation. If all are clean and if the right chemistry is there... I might want to try it, but it's hard to say until you've been in a situation where you have the opportunity. For now it's mostly just a fantasy, but I won't say a HARD no.

On a side note, there should not be taboo/stigma about any sexual act as long as everyone involved is participating willingly. If we got over this social stigma, a lot of us could live richer lives than we currently do! The most important thing is to be safe.

Hi vvvv84335, thanks for your feedback.
i'm just asking because when watching porn, I stick on what I wish to do in the real life. And having a dude willing to fuck a girl with me is not my taste.

As you said, no stigma on porn practice, as long as the girl is ok. we watch or skip.
This is valid for all weird stuff like piss/scat,puke, pregnant and...animals

[dap-addict]

I have one question about DP/DAP fans, do you like only to see DAP or you do/wish to practice it in the real life?

For me both is only fantasy and sure I cannot even imagine to do DAP in real life. DP maybe, DAP never. But in porn its the other way round!
As for Khali Noir in RL (real life) I'd wish the same you do with your GF.
In porn I want her DAP-ed, though.
And today again she didnt do it.

[Ursus69]

I want to fuck Veronica Leal so bad. I will let her film it and make money from it.

[dap-addict]

I heard rumors that the fees for actresses who pay in Brazil vary between 500 - 1500 reais (105-315 U$$).

Is 315$ for DAP really?
Would be a bargain!

[Oscar Batty]

I heard rumors that the fees for actresses who pay in Brazil vary between 500 - 1500 reais (105-315 U$$).

Is 315$ for DAP really?
Would be a bargain!

This is not true at all. I wonder where the information with these prices comes from. Maybe this is what the local producer pay but I don't think there will be any anal. I pay 1000 reais for a very short blowjob scene.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I heard rumors that the fees for actresses who pay in Brazil vary between 500 - 1500 reais (105-315 U$$).

Is 315$ for DAP really?
Would be a bargain!

This is not true at all. I wonder where the information with these prices comes from. Maybe this is what the local producer pay but I don't think there will be any anal. I pay 1000 reais for a very short blowjob scene.

210 USD for a very short blowjob scene in Brazil is alright. In UK, US, Europe, you would probably have to pay that for a private, short blowjob session in the red light district, with light fucking (if you are lucky).

Seems like Brazil is a good place to be, hope things are working out for you Oscar over there xxx

[poldijk]

This is not true at all. I wonder where the information with these prices comes from. Maybe this is what the local producer pay but I don't think there will be any anal. I pay 1000 reais for a very short blowjob scene.

Hi Oscar,

thanks for showing us some stunning girls like Khali, the brazilian cutie coming from nowhere and having only 3 videos, no socials but...so much fans

I dream about a video of her with more intimacy : where she will dress/undress/upskirt tease, trying some fancy toys (like japanese like to use) and make a game role where she is supposed to be anal virgin. And a gentleman with a big dick will initiate her to anal sex.

without DP/DAP/prolapse/strangle/spanking, just small gap as you did in the first video.

i know, soft anal porn is a niche market today, but i'm maybe not the only one to have this kind of taste?

let's ask Khali directly
Hey Beauty, what do you think about a video where you play the anal virgin in a college uniform?

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wow, she didn't say no

[poldijk]

Hi Guys,

after these parentheses about sexual disease, escort price and the beautiful Khali, I wish to come back to the original purpose of this thread, beautiful escort

let's talk about busty girls. when dealing with escort, it is really risky to book a girl with a (potential) beautiful chest but hidden by a bra. Some (rare) agency used to show the girl topless (however, don't expect to see the pussy), and not all girls accept to be topless on the website.

it's a real olympic game to find a girl accepting to show topless pics and having gorgeous tits. I like B size or C size as long as the tits are not falling.

here we go

Nelly

face : 10/10
breast : 11/10
body : 10/10
anal : no

I was very suspicious after looking at Nelly's pics, she is a stunner, too good to be true. Then I read the feedback of customers and I remember why I decided to book her. One guy said: Nelly's tits are defying the gravity laws. Really?

when opening the door, I met a young and small girl (20y old max) and when she has shown her tits, I said WOW! The guy was right! so big and pear shaped at the same time (we don't see the pear shape on the pictures). Incredible.... I had the feeling to be the lucky guy who has the privilege to have sex with the cute and busty stunner of the college, the one all guys are masturbating on

I spent half of the meeting just doing tits massage. It was the first time in my life I met such a busty girl.
And she was really kind, having fun with my tits focus. When she came back to France, I met her again, it was not possible to miss a stunner like her. But this second time was not as hot, she was tired and her cute smile disappeared.

One advice : don't book an escort when she is at the end of her tour, she is tired and sometimes disappointed/disgusted because of bad meeting with stupid customers who didn't respect her

Eva

face : 9/10
breast : 10/10
body : 8/10
anal : no

Next is Eva, a gorgeous brunette, she reminds me Monica Bellucci, a kind of fragile Italian beauty. Not as slender as Nelly or Adele but not fat neither. That’s the period when some Agencies started to provide video of their model, very efficient to take your booking decision and avoid doubt.

I remember asking her to finish in cowgirl, where I could see her beautiful tits bouncing during orgasm. Epic moment

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Kamilla

face : 10/10
breast : 10/10
body : 10/10
anal : no

Kamilla, my Pocahontas, is a gift from the nature. Thanks to her I realized 2 phantasms at the same time. Meeting a girl with perfect B size tits and having a sexual experience with a girl looking like an Indian (American Indian), the real Pocahontas, ready to please you

She had nothing to do with Indians, she was coming from eastern Europe, but her beauty mesmerized me. And her tits, what a wonder! they looked almost fake because they are so inflated by her youth....crazy, her body was almost shaped like a sexdoll .

unfortunately, she was not as happy as Melissa/Adele/Nelly. Once again, I met her at the end of her tour (no other choice), this explains maybe that. I did my best to behave like a gentleman, like always, and it is working with the majority of the escorts who want to be threated correctly, but I failed.

I also did a big mistake: I was so excited to meet her, I feared to cum too early. Therefore, I decided to masturbate the day before to make sure I will have a good time and avoid an early cum. But the contrary happened, it was hard to cum! her boring attitude is maybe part of this failure.

As mentioned by xxxVIPERxxx, the stunner is maybe very attractive but sometimes, she can be also very boring. (Increase your chance by booking a girl at the beginning of her tour and be kind with her)

[MayFan]

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[dap-addict]

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Cute!
Also anal?