LP guys you don't like and why

[laura.]

We're all entitled to our opinions here and it think that should be encouraged for all of us. I wasn't aiming my barbs at anyone in particular just the general reaction to both this and the other thread he has commented on. Not sure how its possible to criticise someone who is basically just being nice and caring about the welfare of women. I will agree with your points on the other thread and echo that there will be some pain in these scenes by virtue of the demanding acts LP specialises in and to pretend that there isn't is just naivete.

[avanfurwet]

I'm not suggesting that Angelo does but it seems both bizarre and naive to assume that all male porn stars will act entirely respectfully towards the girls at all times purely as a default.

Why must anyone act "entirely respectfully" toward anyone in any profession? That certainly isn't the standard that I'm aware of at any business. From professional sports to McDonalds, people don't always say nice things to each other. You don't think that the women are capable of standing up for themselves and dishing it back?

Again, porn is a job that people are being paid to do, knowing what it involves and what kind of people they will be working with (note the repeat scenes from most of the women at LP).

You seem to be applying your personal emotional feelings about how you would treat your wife to how porn stars should get along with each other through extreme (and yes sometimes painful) sex scenes.

The only scenes I like are those where it's obviously apparent that a girl is having a great time. If there's any grey area then I'm out and naturally that is more likely to occur when there is rough stuff. That's just me.

That's great. But, why are you looking for that from a studio that makes sex scenes where that is the least likely to happen? There has to be at least two dozen other studios that focus on the type of porn you're talking about.

Interesting points.

Not taking a stand for or against Vulture's side, because I'm pretty sure he can stand up for himself.

But some input from me:

People in any situation won't always be respectful or even nice, obviously. Discussion here is about crossing the line, wherever different people perceive "the line" may be.

McDonalds and other employers supposedly have written rules governing staff conduct (if only to make it easier to fire them), and employ managers to keep the minions in line. With freelance contractors like porn performers, each studio has to agree and police their own standards.

Professional sports won't work as an example IMO because competitors are paid huge sums to be fiercely competitive and sometimes deliberately to cross the line and be the pantomime villain; hence referees, penalties etc. and subsequent fines and bans. In professional porn the performers are supposed to be co-operating.

Agree that women generally can dish it back verbally and deliver pretty crushing sarcasm when they want to. But maybe could be physically intimidated on set.

Also there could be issues with porn stars making as you say extreme and sometimes painful scenes, including:

1. Makes it even more important that women should be able to trust the male performers to be careful and professional to get the women through the scene without unnecessary drama, pain or injury. I think/hope with LP Prague this usually happens. Although some of the hirelings in Mexico seemed to behave like rutting chimps.

2. If a female performer is the only woman on set with multiple male performers and maybe a male camera operator/director, that could potentially be very intimidating and inhibit her from "dishing it back" if pushed too far.

[avanfurwet]

We're all entitled to our opinions here and it think that should be encouraged for all of us. I wasn't aiming my barbs at anyone in particular just the general reaction to both this and the other thread he has commented on. Not sure how its possible to criticise someone who is basically just being nice and caring about the welfare of women. I will agree with your points on the other thread and echo that there will be some pain in these scenes by virtue of the demanding acts LP specialises in and to pretend that there isn't is just naivete.

Good post!
Will try to behave now there's an adult in the room.

[yeahyeahyeah]

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I've never been on a porn set, but I guess:
1. Some boys are immature and show off, including bullying, going too far and disrespecting women.
2. A weak or poor director could be intimidated or complicit in this.
3. Steroids and other substances can influence behaviour.

But also ...
4. The various LP studios in Prague seem to be professional, and therefore I guess they just want to get a good job done without drama and disruption.
5. The better boys can get regular work, provided they get along with everyone and don't fuck up by causing drama and disruption.
6. The girls must talk to each other about male talent they don't like, making it harder for studios to attract female talent willing to work with them.
7. In LP style scenes, the boys are largely interchangeable. So a bad apple can be replaced in Prague without much difficulty.
8. So why would studios continue to hire boys who cause them trouble?

[laura.]

Are you sure you're not Dztensgen in disguise?

Until he reappears I'll have my doubts lol. Either way I fucking love your posts x

[TheVulture]

Hardcore porn doesn't always have to be with girls smiling and having great time while getting ass fucked. It's about true emotions.

Can you explain to me why smiling and having a great time are not true emotions? I've possibly missed something along the pathway of life there.

[TheVulture]

I'm not suggesting that Angelo does but it seems both bizarre and naive to assume that all male porn stars will act entirely respectfully towards the girls at all times purely as a default.

Why must anyone act "entirely respectfully" toward anyone in any profession? That certainly isn't the standard that I'm aware of at any business. From professional sports to McDonalds, people don't always say nice things to each other. You don't think that the women are capable of standing up for themselves and dishing it back?

Again, porn is a job that people are being paid to do, knowing what it involves and what kind of people they will be working with (note the repeat scenes from most of the women at LP).

You seem to be applying your personal emotional feelings about how you would treat your wife to how porn stars should get along with each other through extreme (and yes sometimes painful) sex scenes.

The only scenes I like are those where it's obviously apparent that a girl is having a great time. If there's any grey area then I'm out and naturally that is more likely to occur when there is rough stuff. That's just me.

That's great. But, why are you looking for that from a studio that makes sex scenes where that is the least likely to happen? There has to be at least two dozen other studios that focus on the type of porn you're talking about.

Professional sport is about winning. McDonalds is about making burgers for profit.

Porn is about creating and capturing amazing looking sex. It stands to reason that "people getting on with each other" would be a key constituent in that process.

[laird.cameltown]

We're all entitled to our opinions here and it think that should be encouraged for all of us. I wasn't aiming my barbs at anyone in particular just the general reaction to both this and the other thread he has commented on. Not sure how its possible to criticise someone who is basically just being nice and caring about the welfare of women. I will agree with your points on the other thread and echo that there will be some pain in these scenes by virtue of the demanding acts LP specialises in and to pretend that there isn't is just naivete.

Nothing wrong with caring and being nice. But, that isn't all he has been doing. He has been putting other people down.

I'm all for opinions. And I don't even really mind if people want to put others down in the process. It just might change the way I respond. A little criticism in return is fair, right?

People in any situation won't always be respectful or even nice, obviously. Discussion here is about crossing the line, wherever different people perceive "the line" may be.

McDonalds and other employers supposedly have written rules governing staff conduct (if only to make it easier to fire them), and employ managers to keep the minions in line. With freelance contractors like porn performers, each studio has to agree and police their own standards.

Professional sports won't work as an example IMO because competitors are paid huge sums to be fiercely competitive and sometimes deliberately to cross the line and be the pantomime villain; hence referees, penalties etc. and subsequent fines and bans. In professional porn the performers are supposed to be co-operating.

Agree that women generally can dish it back verbally and deliver pretty crushing sarcasm when they want to. But maybe could be physically intimidated on set.

Also there could be issues with porn stars making as you say extreme and sometimes painful scenes, including:

1. Makes it even more important that women should be able to trust the male performers to be careful and professional to get the women through the scene without unnecessary drama, pain or injury. I think/hope with LP Prague this usually happens. Although some of the hirelings in Mexico seemed to behave like rutting chimps.

2. If a female performer is the only woman on set with multiple male performers and maybe a male camera operator/director, that could potentially be very intimidating and inhibit her from "dishing it back" if pushed too far.

I've seen people mistreat each other worse than any rival sports game at regular, white collar office jobs. When people are together only because they are paid for a job, they aren't always going to be nice and get along. They're there to do a job together. Not to necessarily become friends.

I see this as similar to people getting upset about Mike Tyson's crimes. The people watch Tyson fights and pay hundreds of millions of dollars in total for him to perfect beating someone up. Then, those same people get upset when it turns out that he beats people up in his free time also? The whole premise of porn is... not-gentlemanly. Look at the tatted up, pseudo-gangster dudes working in it. I just don't understand wanting people to do extreme porn and then being disappointed by a lack of manners. It's not a good-mannered thing to be doing in the first place.

[TheVulture]

Are you sure you're not Dztensgen in disguise?

Until he reappears I'll have my doubts lol. Either way I fucking love your posts x

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Inspired lunacy.

[laird.cameltown]

Professional sport is about winning. McDonalds is about making burgers for profit.

Porn is about creating and capturing amazing looking sex. It stands to reason that "people getting on with each other" would be a key constituent in that process.

LP scenes include spitting in girls mouths, choking, slapping, hair pulling and extreme penetration.

It stands to reason that the people comfortable doing that are not Rhodes Scholar gentleman.

[TheVulture]

Professional sport is about winning. McDonalds is about making burgers for profit.

Porn is about creating and capturing amazing looking sex. It stands to reason that "people getting on with each other" would be a key constituent in that process.

LP scenes include spitting in girls mouths, choking, slapping, hair pulling and extreme penetration.

It stands to reason that the people comfortable doing that are not Rhodes Scholar gentleman.

I have noticed. Those things are fine as long as the girls are happy with them.

Those are not the things I'm talking about here.

You're either missing the point or deliberately misinterpreting it to prove your own point. Either way it's all getting a bit long-winded and futile.

[laird.cameltown]

Professional sport is about winning. McDonalds is about making burgers for profit.

Porn is about creating and capturing amazing looking sex. It stands to reason that "people getting on with each other" would be a key constituent in that process.

LP scenes include spitting in girls mouths, choking, slapping, hair pulling and extreme penetration.

It stands to reason that the people comfortable doing that are not Rhodes Scholar gentleman.

I have noticed. Those things are fine as long as the girls are happy with them.

Those are not the things I'm talking about here.

You're either missing the point or deliberately misinterpreting it to prove your own point. Either way it's all getting a bit long-winded and futile.

So getting slapped in the face does not involve pain?

[laura.]

We're all entitled to our opinions here and it think that should be encouraged for all of us. I wasn't aiming my barbs at anyone in particular just the general reaction to both this and the other thread he has commented on. Not sure how its possible to criticise someone who is basically just being nice and caring about the welfare of women. I will agree with your points on the other thread and echo that there will be some pain in these scenes by virtue of the demanding acts LP specialises in and to pretend that there isn't is just naivete.

Nothing wrong with caring and being nice. But, that isn't all he has been doing. He has been putting other people down.

I'm all for opinions. And I don't even really mind if people want to put others down in the process. It just might change the way I respond. A little criticism in return is fair, right?

People in any situation won't always be respectful or even nice, obviously. Discussion here is about crossing the line, wherever different people perceive "the line" may be.

McDonalds and other employers supposedly have written rules governing staff conduct (if only to make it easier to fire them), and employ managers to keep the minions in line. With freelance contractors like porn performers, each studio has to agree and police their own standards.

Professional sports won't work as an example IMO because competitors are paid huge sums to be fiercely competitive and sometimes deliberately to cross the line and be the pantomime villain; hence referees, penalties etc. and subsequent fines and bans. In professional porn the performers are supposed to be co-operating.

Agree that women generally can dish it back verbally and deliver pretty crushing sarcasm when they want to. But maybe could be physically intimidated on set.

Also there could be issues with porn stars making as you say extreme and sometimes painful scenes, including:

1. Makes it even more important that women should be able to trust the male performers to be careful and professional to get the women through the scene without unnecessary drama, pain or injury. I think/hope with LP Prague this usually happens. Although some of the hirelings in Mexico seemed to behave like rutting chimps.

2. If a female performer is the only woman on set with multiple male performers and maybe a male camera operator/director, that could potentially be very intimidating and inhibit her from "dishing it back" if pushed too far.

I've seen people mistreat each other worse than any rival sports game at regular, white collar office jobs. When people are together only because they are paid for a job, they aren't always going to be nice and get along. They're there to do a job together. Not to necessarily become friends.

I see this as similar to people getting upset about Mike Tyson's crimes. The people watch Tyson fights and pay hundreds of millions of dollars in total for him to perfect beating someone up. Then, those same people get upset when it turns out that he beats people up in his free time also? The whole premise of porn is... not-gentlemanly. Look at the tatted up, pseudo-gangster dudes working in it. I just don't understand wanting people to do extreme porn and then being disappointed by a lack of manners. It's not a good-mannered thing to be doing in the first place.

Seriously you can't use Tyson as an analogy, surely? Him beating up his opponents in the ring is not the same as beating and sexually abusing his ex-wife, one is a consensual agreement by two athletes, and the other is clearly not. That's making an assumption that Boxing fans who pay to watch a fight are by default neanderthals who shouldn't object to a little wife beating - or am I reading you wrong?

We all know this industry is littered with louts but they aren't all like that and I have seen a lot of hard porn on here which I have finished guilt free knowing that a woman has not been abused and has had a good time. Manners maketh the man, pumped up porn stud or not and they should know the line.

And yes, we are adults and should be free to debate, like grown men and women, over points we disagree on and that includes criticism where its constructive. Just that in the case I agree with the majority of what he is saying.

[laird.cameltown]

Seriously you can't use Tyson as an analogy, surely? Him beating up his opponents in the ring is not the same as beating and sexually abusing his ex-wife, one is a consensual agreement by two athletes, and the other is clearly not. That's making an assumption that Boxing fans who pay to watch a fight are by default neanderthals who shouldn't object to a little wife beating - or am I reading you wrong?

No. I'm a boxing fan myself and I don't excuse any of Tyson's crimes. I just think it's an unrealistic expectation that people engage in certain activities and then turn in to Mr. Rogers when we want them to. A bunch of dudes teaming up on a woman for money isn't likely to result in women being treated well.

And yes, we are adults and should be free to debate, like grown men and women, over points we disagree on and that includes criticism where its constructive. Just that in the case I agree with the majority of what he is saying.

Fair enough. I don't take issue with the opinion in this case. Just the judging of others for watching the same porn.

[laura.]

While we are on this topic I just want to give an example of how I think rough(ish) porn should play out and that's the new Mina scene which I have been on and off watching while doing other less horny chores For a start it has Mike in it who as I said I love and hate in equal parts as well as Luca who can be a little ott at times also plus Ian and Christian. Mina is clearly new to this and a little shy and nervous which in itself is endearing and she is incredibly beautiful but that's not my point. My point is that you have a bunch of actors and a director who are aware of her situation and act in accordance to it. They act patiently and respectfully and work her up at a pace she can handle, and in turn enjoy.

The sex becomes more frantic and more animalistic only when she is up to it. The anal penetration is deep and yes you see some discomfort but you also see pleasure as she relaxes along with her sphincter which if you know what it feels to have a dick in you arse (i do), is a physical relaxation reaction to force and the alien feeling of having something unnatural up there. Am i turned on by her discomfort? yes, a little but not in some twisted reverse misogynistic way but more because i know what that feeling is like and i know that despite that discomfort, there is pleasure also. The point I am getting at here is that rough porn is possible without the gimmicks and the 'big i am' attitude that often pervades in porn. The pain/pleasure dynamic is later qualified by the tender and passionate kissing between Mina and Mike and by that stage she is on fire and her passion oozes as she becomes relaxed ad is really starting to enjoy herself. Kind of the love/hate Mike thing in minutiae.

Whenever i enjoy rougher porn its when the roughness is derived from something organic and real and not through brutishness and 'lets see how far i can shove my penis down her throat before she gags' bravado

Anyways I have a wedding to go to in the morning and Mina to enjoy

[laird.cameltown]

While we are on this topic I just want to give an example of how I think rough(ish) porn should play out and that's the new Mina scene which I have been on and off watching while doing other less horny chores For a start it has Mike in it who as I said I love and hate in equal parts as well as Luca who can be a little ott at times also plus Ian and Christian. Mina is clearly new to this and a little shy and nervous which in itself is endearing and she is incredibly beautiful but that's not my point. My point is that you have a bunch of actors and a director who are aware of her situation and act in accordance to it. They act patiently and respectfully and work her up at a pace she can handle, and in turn enjoy.

The sex becomes more frantic and more animalistic only when she is up to it. The anal penetration is deep and yes you see some discomfort but you also see pleasure as she relaxes along with her sphincter which if you know what it feels to have a dick in you arse (i do), is a physical relaxation reaction to force and the alien feeling of having something unnatural up there. Am i turned on by her discomfort? yes, a little but not in some twisted reverse misogynistic way but more because i know what that feeling is like and i know that despite that discomfort, there is pleasure also. The point I am getting at here is that rough porn is possible without the gimmicks and the 'big i am' attitude that often pervades in porn. The pain/pleasure dynamic is later qualified by the tender and passionate kissing between Mina and Mike and by that stage she is on fire and her passion oozes as she becomes relaxed ad is really starting to enjoy herself. Kind of the love/hate Mike thing in minutiae.

Whenever i enjoy rougher porn its when the roughness is derived from something organic and real and not through brutishness and 'lets see how far i can shove my penis down her throat before she gags' bravado

Anyways I have a wedding to go to in the morning and Mina to enjoy

That all makes sense to me. I agree that sex can include discomfort/pain and not be about misogyny.

Enjoy the wedding!

[tmadras88]

Mike Angelo is a god - I would eat his cum all day.

[Seraph0257]

LP guys you don't like and why.... any of them who only tip fuck or are louder than the honeys.

[avanfurwet]

LP guys you don't like and why.... any of them who only tip fuck or are louder than the honeys.

[Kriss1986]

LP guys you don't like and why.... any of them who only tip fuck or are louder than the honeys.

lol