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I don't understand why you can't stuff all the holes of the female body but only the anus and the mouth. What's wrong with the pussy? Seriously, why do you hate vaginas so much?

I'd like to buy a lot more scenes, especially wet ones, but it's a real downer that almost all of them feature no vaginal sex at all. I mean, I could live with a huge part being anal sex but why 0% pussy? I don't get it.

I love vaginas and I love to see guys fucking vaginas just as much as I see girls being pissed on and fucked in the ass. Please don't fall into that ultra niche of vaginal haters for almost every scene, that's so sad.

How about at least a bit more balance? Why don't you ever do vaginal creampies anymore? Is vaginal sex really that horrible for you guys?

crash.mjf wrote:I don't understand why you can't stuff all the holes of the female body but only the anus and the mouth. What's wrong with the pussy? Seriously, why do you hate vaginas so much?

I'd like to buy a lot more scenes, especially wet ones, but it's a real downer that almost all of them feature no vaginal sex at all. I mean, I could live with a huge part being anal sex but why 0% pussy? I don't get it.

I love vaginas and I love to see guys fucking vaginas just as much as I see girls being pissed on and fucked in the ass. Please don't fall into that ultra niche of vaginal haters for almost every scene, that's so sad.

How about at least a bit more balance? Why don't you ever do vaginal creampies anymore? Is vaginal sex really that horrible for you guys?

Yes, DP is much better, nicer intensity, if only anal or DAP, slows down the action, maybe TS is better for those who only want anal since 0% pussy.
Should be more balance, I agree. But also must realize this is predominantly anal site. It is called analvids now as we know. Definitely best Anal site of all time.

crash.mjf wrote:I love vaginas and I love to see guys fucking vaginas just as much as I see girls being pissed on and fucked in the ass. Please don't fall into that ultra niche of vaginal haters for almost every scene, that's so sad.

Its not about hate, but true pussy love by maximum exposure!
But anyway, if you want more pussy fucking I suggest you to check out gonzo studio. They are absent from time to time for 2-3 weeks, but they just resumed releases today, they shoot also a lot of wet, and they have more of a NHB (no holes barred) approach.

Generally not all studios can shoot the same.
Some are specialized in X, some in Y etc.
Thus gonzo is not GIO and GIO is not gonzo.
But they co-op with sharing lots of girl, but again not all of them. Because remember: If all AVLP studios would shoot the same than why have 20 studios and not 1? And if they would have only 1 studio we fans would get much less videos offered.

I know the website is called Analvids, but I also agree too much 0% pussy. It is fun from time to time but too many scenes. That is pure pussy racism lol

Now it is said, I've read somewhere here some models don't want to do pussy anymore, no idea why or if it is real.

ryukenmaster666 wrote:Now it is said, I've read somewhere here some models don't want to do pussy anymore, no idea why or if it is real.

Yep, Nicole Black and Anna de Ville for instance.
For some its private reasons, for others health concerns etc.
Its sure easier and less invasive to concentrate on working with one orifice only. I mean these are sensible organs and changing orificies can always create more problems than sticking just with one option.

I never realized Anna only do anal, I checked the scenes I have and indeed, no pussy fucking. Too bad

Giorgio explained this before.

He said before in some threads that he is not obssesed with anal/DAP sex but
in their sales numbers for years, he noticed that "0% pussy" scenes are sell better and more consistently than scenes with DP/vaginal sex, even if they are DAP breakings, some people prefer no watch vaginal sex (DP)/TP/DVP in them.

At the end, even maybe it was not its him original purpose, their studio built a solid of costumers looking and buying mostly scenes with 0% pussy and DAP, even a big fame as a studio focused mostly only in anal.

As Dap-addict said, there are other studios that shoot a lot of DP in their scenes like Gonzo, N&F, Latina teen productions, etc, the offer is big if you want DP/DVP sex in this site.

misangrenegra2 wrote:Giorgio explained this before.

He said before in some threads that he is not obssesed with anal/DAP sex but
in their sales numbers for years, he noticed that "0% pussy" scenes are sell better and more consistently than scenes with DP/vaginal sex, even if they are DAP breakings, some people prefer no watch vaginal sex (DP)/TP/DVP in them.

At the end, even maybe it was not its him original purpose, their studio built a solid of costumers looking and buying mostly scenes with 0% pussy and DAP, even a big fame as a studio focused mostly only in anal.

As Dap-addict said, there are other studios that shoot a lot of DP in their scenes like Gonzo, N&F, Latina teen productions, etc, the offer is big if you want DP/DVP sex in this site.

Yes and no. The other studios rarely feature the same girls Grandi does and their production values are often less good.

And I don't ask that 0% pussy should be gone completely. I just bothers me that lately almost every scene features no vaginal sex anymore which is imho just stupid. Personally, I buy some of these myself but only because of the girls and the pissing etc. I wanted to buy the latest two-parts scene with Anna and Veronica but I didn't once I noticed that it again features zero pussy sex.

crash.mjf wrote:Yes and no. The other studios rarely feature the same girls Grandi does and their production values are often less good.

And I don't ask that 0% pussy should be gone completely. I just bothers me that lately almost every scene features no vaginal sex anymore which is imho just stupid. Personally, I buy some of these myself but only because of the girls and the pissing etc. I wanted to buy the latest two-parts scene with Anna and Veronica but I didn't once I noticed that it again features zero pussy sex.

Well, i gave you the reasons about why Gio mostly shoots 0% pussy porn, at least is what i understood when i read their posts explaining why.

i can empathize with you in the girls case, i had the same "problem" skipping some purchases when some girls are very exclusive from some particular studio(Cindy shine or Kelly Oliveira for example), including the sex acts, in my case mostly skiping scenes with a lot of DP when i prefer only anal, and check the male performers (is about performance and other things).

I think is not a stupid thing, is based on tastes preferences, and in that case, you are choosing the content instead of the girl sometimes, as me did it or other users too.

In you example, at least, Veronica is not an exclusive Gio's girls as can be Anna, if you like Veronica, you can find a lot of anal/DP scenes of her here, including pee.

cumdump wrote:Yes, DP is much better, nicer intensity, if only anal or DAP, slows down the action, maybe TS is better for those who only want anal since 0% pussy.
Should be more balance, I agree. But also must realize this is predominantly anal site. It is called analvids now as we know. Definitely best Anal site of all time.

Not exactly, the 0% pussy genre is guaranteed too but the appeal of TS porn is not based on that if we think in how many ways is shooted this porn, but i recognize that the way is shoot here can be a "usefull" to the anal fans.

Here there are a lot of 0% pussy fans that dont watch TS porn, as Dap-addict. For eg, cumdump, you like watch Izzy wilde but not other TS scene with other T-girl, even being a 0% pussy scene, the scene doesnt works for you.

misangrenegra2 wrote:

crash.mjf wrote:Yes and no. The other studios rarely feature the same girls Grandi does and their production values are often less good.

And I don't ask that 0% pussy should be gone completely. I just bothers me that lately almost every scene features no vaginal sex anymore which is imho just stupid. Personally, I buy some of these myself but only because of the girls and the pissing etc. I wanted to buy the latest two-parts scene with Anna and Veronica but I didn't once I noticed that it again features zero pussy sex.

Well, i gave you the reasons about why Gio mostly shoots 0% pussy porn, at least is what i understood when i read their posts explaining why.

i can empathize with you in the girls case, i had the same "problem" skipping some purchases when some girls are very exclusive from some particular studio(Cindy shine or Kelly Oliveira for example), including the sex acts, in my case mostly skiping scenes with a lot of DP when i prefer only anal, and check the male performers (is about performance and other things).

I think is not a stupid thing, is based on tastes preferences, and in that case, you are choosing the content instead of the girl sometimes, as me did it or other users too.

In you example, at least, Veronica is not an exclusive Gio's girls as can be Anna, if you like Veronica, you can find a lot of anal/DP scenes of her here, including pee.

Well, I do respect everyone who isn't into vaginal sex at all. I don't judge anyone, we're all perverts around here, lol.

But vaginal sex could easily be skipped if people are not interested in it or there could even be two versions, like it's done with wet scene. You know, making a version without any vaginal sex for the 0% pussy crowd and making a version with vaginal sex for those like me who don't exlusively like anal sex but "no holes barred" sex, you know.

And I don't get the excuse about the girls not wanting to shoot vaginal sex? That's imho just pure bollocks, seriously. Anna DeVille said that she prefers DAP to DP but she never said that she simply hates vaginal sex, just to name an example. Girls who appear here in 0% pussy scenes have zero issues shooting vaginal sex for other (non LP) studios.

So yeah, I do understand that Grandi thinks that 0% pussy scenes sell better because there actually seems to be people (like you, based on your signature) who indeed like anal-only scenes. But imho that's just an assumption and balance is king anyway. I remember the old scene with e.g. Luna Rival with extended pussy sex and even pussy creampies - besides all the heavy anal action which I also like. Seems like this times are gone forever for whatever unknown reason (and no, there isn't a single(!) LP studio that shoots extended vaginal sex anymore or even pussy creampies with the rare exception of some of the French guys). I know that this site is mainly about anal sex but nobody said that all people who like anal sex don't also like vaginal sex. I don't know why this has to be an "either - or" thing. They should make anal porn for everyone, not only the most hardcore niche fans. I guess that's why they also offer dry scenes because not everyone is into wet content. That's cool, I support that. Just give us something similar for all the people who enjoy watching guys fucking girl's asses AND pussies...

crash.mjf wrote:

misangrenegra2 wrote:Well, i gave you the reasons about why Gio mostly shoots 0% pussy porn, at least is what i understood when i read their posts explaining why.

i can empathize with you in the girls case, i had the same "problem" skipping some purchases when some girls are very exclusive from some particular studio(Cindy shine or Kelly Oliveira for example), including the sex acts, in my case mostly skiping scenes with a lot of DP when i prefer only anal, and check the male performers (is about performance and other things).

I think is not a stupid thing, is based on tastes preferences, and in that case, you are choosing the content instead of the girl sometimes, as me did it or other users too.

In you example, at least, Veronica is not an exclusive Gio's girls as can be Anna, if you like Veronica, you can find a lot of anal/DP scenes of her here, including pee.

Well, I do respect everyone who isn't into vaginal sex at all. I don't judge anyone, we're all perverts around here, lol.

But vaginal sex could easily be skipped if people are not interested in it or there could even be two versions, like it's done with wet scene. You know, making a version without any vaginal sex for the 0% pussy crowd and making a version with vaginal sex for those like me who don't exlusively like anal sex but "no holes barred" sex, you know.

And I don't get the excuse about the girls not wanting to shoot vaginal sex? That's imho just pure bollocks, seriously. Anna DeVille said that she prefers DAP to DP but she never said that she simply hates vaginal sex, just to name an example. Girls who appear here in 0% pussy scenes have zero issues shooting vaginal sex for other (non LP) studios.

So yeah, I do understand that Grandi thinks that 0% pussy scenes sell better because there actually seems to be people (like you, based on your signature) who indeed like anal-only scenes. But imho that's just an assumption and balance is king anyway. I remember the old scene with e.g. Luna Rival with extended pussy sex and even pussy creampies - besides all the heavy anal action which I also like. Seems like this times are gone forever for whatever unknown reason (and no, there isn't a single(!) LP studio that shoots extended vaginal sex anymore or even pussy creampies with the rare exception of some of the French guys). I know that this site is mainly about anal sex but nobody said that all people who like anal sex don't also like vaginal sex. I don't know why this has to be an "either - or" thing. They should make anal porn for everyone, not only the most hardcore niche fans. I guess that's why they also offer dry scenes because not everyone is into wet content. That's cool, I support that. Just give us something similar for all the people who enjoy watching guys fucking girl's asses AND pussies...

i understand your point and its true that each porn consumer should enjoy scenes with their preferences covered.

First, i think you don't compare fairly the fact of make wet/dry versions with suggest to make "no pussy"/vaginal sex versions too.

Basically in the dry/wet case, the scene is shooted intended as a wet scene, they dont need to add nothing, the edition team simply cut the wet parts getting the dry version.

This implies time and money even when looks something easy.

How they should shoot scenes to get a "no pussy/vaginal sex" version? Currently a scene is arround 45-55 min in average, if you cut vaginal parts to make a no pussy version the scene would be quite short. To get 2 versions with a proper duration surely they would need to shoot more longer and thats implies more time and money, and in this case, more money for the girl/s and male performers so the price would rise up more.

This was discussed before and i dont think it could be a good idea.

Coming back to the mainly discuss of why he shoot mostly 0% pussy: You said "They should make anal porn for everyone, not only the most hardcore niche fans."

This statement it should be for AV/PB in general.

As you and other said, analvids is focused in anal, we can assume that who cames here is because wants watch anal sex, now i'm not talking in how many quantity of anal should have an scene, but the main sex act expected is anal sex.

Now is when each studio have their own styles/fame and a loyal fan base. In this particular studio it seems, with the things i read here of him, that their loyals costumers "belongs", in general, or are more in favour of 0% pussy content and this has been marking the trend because the sells are more consistent when are shooted in that way, something similar happens with IR scenes, are more often because sells well.

We can see other trends in others studios: NRX or VK studio shoots mainly young girls, surely mainly reason is their loyal costumers prefer this kind of girls and the scenes sells better, will be rare if they shooted with "MILFs".

LTP shoot only latina girls with latin boys, or Black & white studio shoots only IR scenes (black guys and white girls).

At the end, all these studios offer different kind of scenes and the costumers choice what of them cover their preferences. Anyway i'm still thinking that the others studios, in general, are offering a lot of DP content, even some of vaginal sex.

misangrenegra2 wrote:

crash.mjf wrote:

misangrenegra2 wrote:Now is when each studio have their own styles/fame and a loyal fan base. In this particular studio it seems, with the things i read here of him, that their loyals costumers "belongs", in general, or are more in favour of 0% pussy content and this has been marking the trend because the sells are more consistent when are shooted in that way, something similar happens with IR scenes, are more often because sells well.

Sure, but that way you also limit your possible viewership and customer base to exactly this "most loyal customers". Maybe Grandi is happy with that but given the latest increases in prices I'm not so sure about that...

And it would indeed not be a big issue if content like that could be found everywhere on the internet or even on LP. But it's not. Kinky "no holes barred" gangbangs with pissing etc. are actually nowhere to be found outside of LP and such gangbangs with like two girls and 5 or 6 guys are actually nowhere to be found on LP besides GIO and SZ.

The painful truth is that such content with a higher vaginal sex rate is nowhere to be found on the whole fucking internet. It simply doesn't exist.

So I give my feedback that I like to see some(!) of that content here on LP as well, and GIO and SZ seem to be the only possible address to even ask for such things.

And last, when I look for anal sex I don't look for anal-only stuff, I look for sex that also includes anal action. For me, anal is just another thing to do while having sex, it's not some special thing you need to do 100% of the time during a sexual encounter, that's imho really boring tbh. I hate that trend in porn that everything apparently needs to be separated for whatever weird reason, blowjob-only scenes, anal-only scenes, etc.

I really miss the old days when a scene could include anal sex, vaginal sex, DP, DAP, DVP, pissing, piss drinking, facials, anal creampies, vaginal creampies, cum swapping etc. - all in one and the same scene, just the whole buffet of kinky stuff to enjoy. Catering to a crowd that wants to limit this buffet to only a smaller range is imho not the right way, it takes away from the overall appeal with the sole purpose to serve exclusively to that limited crowd.

Well, that's my feedback. I've bought hundreds of scenes on this site for hundreds of dollars but I'll probably stop buying GIO scenes if that trend continues, maybe with some few exceptions every now and then. One loyal but unimportant customer less, I guess.

ATP, ATOGP, and pussy (real) creampie is the only pussy action I would be interested in.

chemonro5 wrote:YOU CAN GO TO LITTERALY ANY OTHER PORN WEBSITE/STUDIO ON THE ENTIRE INTERNET IF YOU WANT TO SEE DP

LEGALPORNO IS KNOWN FOR DAP AND 0% PUSSY.

WHY COME ON THE FORUM OF THE BIGGEST MOST ANAL DAP CENTERED WEBSITE AND SHOUT FOR DP WHEN YOU CAN GO WATCH THAT AT ANY OTHER STUDIO

LMAO

Maybe learn to read and think before you make stupid comments. I never said that I only wanted to see DP, smartass.

But please tell me, which other studio shoots orgies and gangbangs with two girls and at least 4 guys and watersports on a regular basis?

I doubt you can name even one. Because such studio outside LP simply doesn't exist.

And no, LP is not only known for DAP and 0% pussy. Only some of the scenes here feature that. People come to LP for a whole lot of different reasons.

crash.mjf wrote:.

Is quite hard to know the numbers of costumers and sells of each studio, we are assumpting things based in what we see and read.

Maybe is not the fact to limit your possible viewership, maybe is what their majority audience expect to find and support.

If you, as a director with your studio, have been shooting different kind of scenes since years and you have a lot of data of sales with a hard study of your sales and see what kind of scenes works better, sells better and gives you a estability.. what do you do? I guess you will choice that what works better.

This happens for each studio, i dont want to say to dont try something different but is normal focus yours scenes in one direction in general.

I agree that find welldone gangbangs like AnalVids make here is very hard and something to appreciate. In other places/sites maybe some movie have a gangbang scene or some gangbang series is shooted every so often but is not something regular as here.

I dont know how to say this and not be misunderstand it.

I assume that people come to this place to find hard anal porn being anal sex the main sex act.

i guess too that this implies not expect a higher vaginal sex rate (mainly only vaginal sex to be specific)as other porn sites are offering.

I agree with you that anal porn doesnt mean only anal sex, there are different kind of scenes to represent anal porn and that includes vag sex in the scene too. I have to say that 10 years ago the porn movies showed scenes as you demand now, were more versatile if you want.

Now is where i think you urderstimate the fetishes and niches, is something very powerfull in a porn costumer. For you a scene can be absurd and boring for you own reasons but for others can be the best thing.

The prove is how for you anal-only or blowjobs-only scenes are boring. Currently there are sites focused and shooting scenes based on these 2 fetishes with a great popularity, even with other fetishes.

There aren't a perfect scene of kind to shoot something, at the end is attract people to something they want to watch.

crash.mjf wrote:But please tell me, which other studio shoots orgies and gangbangs with two girls and at least 4 guys and watersports on a regular basis?

I doubt you can name even one. Because such studio outside LP simply doesn't exist.

So, crash, have you even tried gonzo @ LP?
Because they have released and constantly shoot gangbangs with two girls and at least 4 guys and watersports on a regular basis in NHB format, ie. DP/DVP/DAP.

I would disagree that there is 0% pussy in almost every scene.

If you took at the number of releases (granted, there are a lot of lower tier scenes) and compare that with how many are exclusively 0% pussy. You may find the % is nowhere near 100% as you seem to suggest.

The studios, LPAV, PornBox have the feedback, comments, fan/customer requests and most importantly their sales figures to see what works best for them.

dap-addict wrote:

crash.mjf wrote:But please tell me, which other studio shoots orgies and gangbangs with two girls and at least 4 guys and watersports on a regular basis?

I doubt you can name even one. Because such studio outside LP simply doesn't exist.

So, crash, have you even tried gonzo @ LP?
Because they have released and constantly shoot gangbangs with two girls and at least 4 guys and watersports on a regular basis in NHB format, ie. DP/DVP/DAP.

Of course I also watch Gonzo. They only release interesting scenes once in a while now though, I asked myself whether they stopped shooting new stuff altogether.

And like I said before, some girls seem to work only for GIO and not for SZ.

xxxVIPERxxx wrote:I would disagree that there is 0% pussy in almost every scene.

If you took at the number of releases (granted, there are a lot of lower tier scenes) and compare that with how many are exclusively 0% pussy. You may find the % is nowhere near 100% as you seem to suggest.

I only spoke about GIO, not the whole Pornbox catalogue. And yes, for GIO 0% pussy seems to be the rule now with only a few expections...

Some might of course like that, I don't. And I thought the forum was the right place to voice such feedback.

Used to love all the old Legal Porno vids the best. At least DAP was in moderation in those days. Nicer lingerie as well.

crash.mjf wrote:I only spoke about GIO, not the whole Pornbox catalogue. And yes, for GIO 0% pussy seems to be the rule now with only a few expections...

Some might of course like that, I don't. And I thought the forum was the right place to voice such feedback.

Its the right place, but feedback is not in favor of your wish as you can see.
This said of course there is also pussy fucking @ GIO, every girl usually has at least 1 DP scene without DAP and also some DAP scenes have also DP and TP. But generally as others have already written, gonzo studio caters more for your needs.

Which girls you want to watch in DP are not on gonzo from time to time also?

For me there is just an extra intensity about anal only scenes. LP/AV pretty much first introduced me to the idea of scenes that start with anal, which was such an amazing thing. And then the thing for me is that once a scene has gone to anal I don't want it to revert to pussy (this is exactly the same as my position back in the Private/Christoph Clark etc. days) as well. I'm happy with DP being introduced though as that still has anal but generally I do prefer a scene just to remain anal only.

I think there is just that extra heat value in knowing that a girl doesn't want her pussy to be fucked. It is kind of the Premier League level of porn if you like. I certainly wouldn't only watch 0% pussy or demand it but I do think it should be something that all of the girls should aspire to at least occasionally and of course mix it up if they want.

I haven't checked but I would be surprised if 0% pussy was a majority of scenes even with Giorgio. As dap-addict says, Gonzo has gone very pussy-focused lately with scenes where they even switch to just pussy fucking late on. Personally I've found that a disappointing development. I think it is an odd position to be angry about too many 0% pussy scenes. For sure, request more pussy scenes but understand that this is an anal sex themed website. 0% pussy is very legitimate and clearly a way to get added intensity and heat from those girls who prefer it.

cumdump wrote:if only anal or DAP, slows down the action, maybe TS is better for those who only want anal since 0% pussy.

Oh I see. Funnel those who like 0% pussy down the TS route. Was that even a serious comment? Have you actually thought about that for even a moment?

I don't want to go down the whole TS debate rabbit hole as this thread isn't about that but that might be the most absurd comment I have ever seen on this website. I also have a feeling it's a line that has been used before.

Please, try to be sensible when debating this issue. What makes you think that me or anyone else supporting 0% pussy even has an interest in TS porn? Why would you make that presumption? Some might, some might not. But they have obviously come to this thread to discuss male/female porn. TS porn is a whole other ball game (very obviously).

Lmao this thread is the very definition of the vocal minority

JEYjosbizarreadventure wrote:Lmao this thread is the very definition of the vocal minority

Totally agree ...

dap-addict wrote:

crash.mjf wrote:I only spoke about GIO, not the whole Pornbox catalogue. And yes, for GIO 0% pussy seems to be the rule now with only a few expections...

Some might of course like that, I don't. And I thought the forum was the right place to voice such feedback.

Its the right place, but feedback is not in favor of your wish as you can see.
This said of course there is also pussy fucking @ GIO, every girl usually has at least 1 DP scene without DAP and also some DAP scenes have also DP and TP. But generally as others have already written, gonzo studio caters more for your needs.

Which girls you want to watch in DP are not on gonzo from time to time also?

I think some of us have explained properly, in the best way possible, the "reasons" of why 0% pussy is predominant in this studio and not in average on PB if we check other studios content, including the good points of Thevulture and Dap-Addict in the thread.

At the end, the OP complain is more about watch some regular girls of this studio in others doing other sex acts than "attack" the genre.

Is really a pitty, i said before that i understand you with this case because i had the same issue to get some particular scenes of some girls from others studios based on "similar" thoughts

does anyone know if there is a way to find scenes with full nelson in them

TheVulture wrote:I think there is just that extra heat value in knowing that a girl doesn't want her pussy to be fucked. It is kind of the Premier League level of porn if you like.

I respect your taste etc. but I really don't understand that one sentence above. Why do you think that there was some "extra heat" because a girl doesn't want to do something???

In my books, the Premier League level of porn is girls who do EVERYTHING, not limit themselves to only SOMETHING.

In my humble opinion there's A LOT more heat in scenes in which girls take dicks in ALL of their holes instead of only one or two.

misangrenegra2 wrote:AnalVids make here is very hard and something to appreciate.

Actually, this studio is called Giorgio Grandi, not analvids. The whole company is called Legalporno and they now sell all their scenes on a site called Pornbox...

Analvids is just one of the outside catchers, just like Pissvids among others. Why should I assume that this studio was mostly about anal-only sex if I enter Pornbox via e.g. Pissvids?

Reality is that some people just want this studio to be mostly anal (and blowjobs which are for "some" reason apparently allowed while pussy sex isn't for "other" reasons) and that's fine. I don't think that this had to be the case though.

Maybe I'm a vocal minority, that's not upon me to decide. I only voice my opinion just like everyone else.

Bringing up false arguments like "this site is called analvids and therefore pussy sex isn't important or even allowed" is kind of stupid though and doesn't strengthen anybody's point. That's like me saying that every scene should include watersports because there's a catcher site called Pissvids...

dap-addict wrote:

crash.mjf wrote:I only spoke about GIO, not the whole Pornbox catalogue. And yes, for GIO 0% pussy seems to be the rule now with only a few expections...

Some might of course like that, I don't. And I thought the forum was the right place to voice such feedback.

Its the right place, but feedback is not in favor of your wish as you can see.
This said of course there is also pussy fucking @ GIO, every girl usually has at least 1 DP scene without DAP and also some DAP scenes have also DP and TP. But generally as others have already written, gonzo studio caters more for your needs.

Which girls you want to watch in DP are not on gonzo from time to time also?

Moona Snake, Keira Love, Jolee Love (just to name a few)...

Keira and Jolee have a few older Gonzo scenes but only GIO scenes in the last couple months.

Hell, maybe I would be happy if fucking Gonzo actually shot some new scenes and release more than only one or two scenes a month while GIO released scenes on a daily basis...

crash.mjf wrote:I respect your taste etc. but I really don't understand that one sentence above. Why do you think that there was some "extra heat" because a girl doesn't want to do something???

In my books, the Premier League level of porn is girls who do EVERYTHING, not limit themselves to only SOMETHING.

In my humble opinion there's A LOT more heat in scenes in which girls take dicks in ALL of their holes instead of only one or two.

Well each to their own but I think that's a strange take on it. Most people would I think agree that anal sex is the "harder" of the 2 options (anal and vaginal). Thus by definition if a girl is only doing anal then she's maximising the "hardness" of her scene.

Heat and hardness are obviously not the exact same thing but for me there is an implicit heat in a girl who only likes anal sex. This doesn't mean it will automatically translate to a hot scene, because there are other factors in play there.

I do agree with you that a scene doesn't have to be anal only to be hot. But for me I think the vast majority of hot scenes will be very, very heavily anal focused. And if they're not then I'm unlikely to even watch them.

I stand by the "Premier League" comment, because I just think it is the pinnacle of modern porn for girls to do anal only scenes at least on occasion. And it's the girls who clearly love anal sex so much that they seem not to be even interested in pussy fucking that I will always come back to.

It's definitely a bit of a hierarchy thing in general. Lots of girls outside of porn obviously love sex but only a relatively small percentage will do anal sex regularly. When you're talking about porn girls - and certainly the kind we see on AV/LP - they have already long since reached the pinnacle of that "normal" level and generally are in porn to take it to the next level. As a rule that means to perform lots of anal sex so ultimately why not anal only? To me porn is basically synonymous with anal sex so my preference will always be for that without any of the trimmings.

....which is why I get so frustrated that Giorgio zooms into facial close-up so frequently and particularly just as an anal section is getting underway. But that's another story.

TheVulture wrote:....which is why I get so frustrated that Giorgio zooms into facial close-up so frequently and particularly just as an anal section is getting underway. But that's another story.

Zoom in on face, or gape is GIO go to move for off camera trickery.

TheVulture wrote:

crash.mjf wrote:I respect your taste etc. but I really don't understand that one sentence above. Why do you think that there was some "extra heat" because a girl doesn't want to do something???

In my books, the Premier League level of porn is girls who do EVERYTHING, not limit themselves to only SOMETHING.

In my humble opinion there's A LOT more heat in scenes in which girls take dicks in ALL of their holes instead of only one or two.

Well each to their own but I think that's a strange take on it. Most people would I think agree that anal sex is the "harder" of the 2 options (anal and vaginal). Thus by definition if a girl is only doing anal then she's maximising the "hardness" of her scene.

Heat and hardness are obviously not the exact same thing but for me there is an implicit heat in a girl who only likes anal sex. This doesn't mean it will automatically translate to a hot scene, because there are other factors in play there.

I do agree with you that a scene doesn't have to be anal only to be hot. But for me I think the vast majority of hot scenes will be very, very heavily anal focused. And if they're not then I'm unlikely to even watch them.

I stand by the "Premier League" comment, because I just think it is the pinnacle of modern porn for girls to do anal only scenes at least on occasion. And it's the girls who clearly love anal sex so much that they seem not to be even interested in pussy fucking that I will always come back to.

It's definitely a bit of a hierarchy thing in general. Lots of girls outside of porn obviously love sex but only a relatively small percentage will do anal sex regularly. When you're talking about porn girls - and certainly the kind we see on AV/LP - they have already long since reached the pinnacle of that "normal" level and generally are in porn to take it to the next level. As a rule that means to perform lots of anal sex so ultimately why not anal only? To me porn is basically synonymous with anal sex so my preference will always be for that without any of the trimmings.

Like I said, I respect your opinion but it's nothing more than that, an opinion.

There is no hierarchy thing in general. I'd even say though that in "real life" a lot more girls do anal than DP. I'd say only VERY few girls in real life would ever do DP, much, much less girls who'd be down for an anal-only sex session. I don't think that these "what might real women do in real life" stuff has any significance anyway, quite the contrary. Such discussions only show how pointless such attempts at creating an "assumed objectivity" are.

Every girl is different and for every girl there are different levels of "escalation". For some, anal isn't something really spectacular. Anal only for sure isn't something spectacular. Why should a girl see anal-only more extreme or hard or anything than DP? That's like saying that slapping a girl only on one cheek was harder than slapping her on both cheeks, you know.

Don't get me wrong, if you prefer anal-only and if that's the stuff that gets you going, good for you. But it's not harder than DP in any sense of the word and there's no "Premier League" of girls how shoot anal-only. Every girl who does anal sex can do that, it doesn't need any escalation for her to do that. DP and DAP might be other beasts and clearly something like DAP combined with pussy or DVP + anal is the "real" Champions League.

And when we actually want to go down the escalation thing we might end up with Perverted Family. Pretty funny though that Anna DeVille seems to have no real issues to shoot both anal and vaginal sex for that stuff...

crash.mjf wrote:Like I said, I respect your opinion but it's nothing more than that, an opinion.

There is no hierarchy thing in general. I'd even say though that in "real life" a lot more girls do anal than DP. I'd say only VERY few girls in real life would ever do DP, much, much less girls who'd be down for an anal-only sex session. I don't think that these "what might real women do in real life" stuff has any significance anyway, quite the contrary. Such discussions only show how pointless such attempts at creating an "assumed objectivity" are.

Every girl is different and for every girl there are different levels of "escalation". For some, anal isn't something really spectacular. Anal only for sure isn't something spectacular. Why should a girl see anal-only more extreme or hard or anything than DP? That's like saying that slapping a girl only on one cheek was harder than slapping her on both cheeks, you know.

Don't get me wrong, if you prefer anal-only and if that's the stuff that gets you going, good for you. But it's not harder than DP in any sense of the word and there's no "Premier League" of girls how shoot anal-only. Every girl who does anal sex can do that, it doesn't need any escalation for her to do that. DP and DAP might be other beasts and clearly something like DAP combined with pussy or DVP + anal is the "real" Champions League.

And when we actually want to go down the escalation thing we might end up with Perverted Family. Pretty funny though that Anna DeVille seems to have no real issues to shoot both anal and vaginal sex for that stuff...

Obviously very few girls do DP outside of porn because of the impracticality of it. You need 2 guys. How are you going to realistically pull that off safely and without giving yourself an unwanted reputation? For this reason it's pretty much off limits for both girls and guys outside of porn but that doesn't in and of itself make it super-hardcore.

By contrast, yes a lot of girls will try anal sex in their regular lives. That's relatively easy to do with a partner and just takes a bit of adventurism/open-mindedness. Again, that doesn't in and of itself make it "soft" or even softer than DP.

This discussion needs to be taken in context. Within a porn setting, DP is fairly standard and dare I say it, even fairly tame at this stage of the game. Whereas an anal only scene - assuming it's of a decent duration - is and always will be very hardcore. By introducing DP you're softening the anal element to at least a small degree.

Clearly we have different preferences and that's fine but I think it's objectively wrong of you to try to suggest that DP porn is in some way harder than anal-only porn. Others can make up their mind but really I think you're making an argument to suit your tastes rather than one based on hard evidence and common sense.

Not sure what you're getting at with the Perverted Family thing. That has nothing to do with this debate as far as I can tell. I have only been discussing porn star hierarchy (as I see it) in terms of actual sex acts and their hardness.

TheVulture wrote:Others can make up their mind but really I think you're making an argument to suit your tastes rather than one based on hard evidence and common sense.

Not sure what you're getting at with the Perverted Family thing. That has nothing to do with this debate as far as I can tell. I have only been discussing porn star hierarchy (as I see it) in terms of actual sex acts and their hardness.

Don't you see the irony? You were the one bringing up this pointless "hierarchy" stuff, not me. I don't make an argument, I just refute yours because there simply is no hard evidence for your opinion on the topic. Like I said, this "hierarchy" is totally subjective, first to the girl actually producing it and second to the individual watching it. In my books DP is kind of "harder" than anal-only and in you books it's the other way round. That's fine, everyone's different and there are reasons to be found for both views, based on personal preference, personal experiences and personal attitude. The fact that you don't see how the Perverted Family thing fits into this dicussion shows me though that it's indeed you who doesn't understand that this is a purely artificial and pointless discussion.

crash.mjf wrote:Don't you see the irony? You were the one bringing up this pointless "hierarchy" stuff, not me. I don't make an argument, I just refute yours because there simply is no hard evidence for your opinion on the topic. Like I said, this "hierarchy" is totally subjective, first to the girl actually producing it and second to the individual watching it. In my books DP is kind of "harder" than anal-only and in you books it's the other way round. That's fine, everyone's different and there are reasons to be found for both views, based on personal preference, personal experiences and personal attitude. The fact that you don't see how the Perverted Family thing fits into this dicussion shows me though that it's indeed you who doesn't understand that this is a purely artificial and pointless discussion.

It's not pointless, because your original point was that there is no justification for 0% pussy. "All holes should be used" and that. I'm making the point that IMHO the justification for 0% pussy is that it is more hardcore than including pussy fucking. You don't have to agree with that but it isn't pointless. It's exactly as valid a position as yours and people can make up their own minds.

I don't even know what Perverted Family is but I'm guessing some hideous incest thing that I would never go anywhere near. That is pointless here, because we're not discussing that. How does a very edgy/taboo/essentially illegal theme fit in with a (subjective) hierarchy of the actual sex acts being performed? It doesn't so there was basically no point to it within this thread.

You don't have to agree with me and I don't expect you to but it's pretty poor form to suggest that someone's position is "pointless" when it's very much within the parameters of what is being discussed.

TheVulture wrote:

crash.mjf wrote:Don't you see the irony? You were the one bringing up this pointless "hierarchy" stuff, not me. I don't make an argument, I just refute yours because there simply is no hard evidence for your opinion on the topic. Like I said, this "hierarchy" is totally subjective, first to the girl actually producing it and second to the individual watching it. In my books DP is kind of "harder" than anal-only and in you books it's the other way round. That's fine, everyone's different and there are reasons to be found for both views, based on personal preference, personal experiences and personal attitude. The fact that you don't see how the Perverted Family thing fits into this dicussion shows me though that it's indeed you who doesn't understand that this is a purely artificial and pointless discussion.

It's not pointless, because your original point was that there is no justification for 0% pussy. "All holes should be used" and that. I'm making the point that IMHO the justification for 0% pussy is that it is more hardcore than including pussy fucking. You don't have to agree with that but it isn't pointless. It's exactly as valid a position as yours and people can make up their own minds.

I don't even know what Perverted Family is but I'm guessing some hideous incest thing that I would never go anywhere near. That is pointless here, because we're not discussing that. How does a very edgy/taboo/essentially illegal theme fit in with a (subjective) hierarchy of the actual sex acts being performed? It doesn't so there was basically no point to it within this thread.

You don't have to agree with me and I don't expect you to but it's pretty poor form to suggest that someone's position is "pointless" when it's very much within the parameters of what is being discussed.

The whole discussion about your "hierarchy" of whatever whatever is pointless, not your position on what you like or don't like. You said it yourself, it's subjective and so it IS ultimately pointless.

People are so easily insulted these days for no reason at all, sigh...

And maybe you shouldn't talk about stuff you don't even know. Just say that you don't know it. So who's using poor form here? Me, who just thinks that the whole discussion was pointless in the end or you, who makes ridiculous assumptions about stuff you know absolutely nothing about?

Well, you can answer the question to yourself since it's pretty obvious. Apart from that, this conversation leads nowhere so we should leave it at that.

crash.mjf wrote:The whole discussion about your "hierarchy" of whatever whatever is pointless, not your position on what you like or don't like. You said it yourself, it's subjective and so it IS ultimately pointless.

People are so easily insulted these days for no reason at all, sigh...

And maybe you shouldn't talk about stuff you don't even know. Just say that you don't know it. So who's using poor form here? Me, who just thinks that the whole discussion was pointless in the end or you, who makes ridiculous assumptions about stuff you know absolutely nothing about?

Well, you can answer the question to yourself since it's pretty obvious. Apart from that, this conversation leads nowhere so we should leave it at that.

I'm not insulted, just challenging what I saw as some fairly spurious stuff from you. I've got a pretty thick skin. Tbh you sound like the very defensive one. Others can make up their mind.

So basically any subjective debate is pointless? Well that kills off about 99% of discussions on this forum then, doesn't it? What a strange comment. I'm not sure why you think it was unreasonable of me to give my idea of porn star hierarchy vis a vis sex acts in this thread but it has certainly touched a nerve with you. Just don't engage with it would be my best advice. But you haven't explained why it's pointless.

What don't I know anything about? Are you referring to Perverted Family? That didn't really belong in this thread for me and I admitted I don't know what it is. If you can explain why that is relevant to this thread then maybe my ignorance of it does negate something I've said. But if you can't then it doesn't.

I totally agree with your great opinion!!! I can accept anal shooting by short time, but please make shooting focos most of the time on pussy which is the most delicated organ of the whole body.
When I see them fucking anal instead of pussy, I would say to myself, oh,what a pity not to enjoy the beautiful pussy!