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Could we have a GLab sub-forum please, like N&S just got one? Thanks!

Anyway, if you look at July sales list, you see that only Mia Sanders wet DP sold sort of normally from GLab.
https://pornbox.com/application/store/best-sellers/2020/7
Means again that like with main GIO studio, only DPs that really can be sold are of exceptional beauties and really good performers.

Therefore for the rest of new Russian rookies couldn't we just go to DAPbreakin' straight after 1on1 anal welcome?

Local girls are eager to get the money offered and do what they are told by GLab directors. Thus it shouldn't be a problem to skip DP for training reasons. Also scouted Russian rookies are most really very talented obviously.

Would be nice to get Giorgio Grandi's idea on this as well!
For its you who commissioned this scenes in Piter.
Big thanks for that, anyway!

Btw, GLab sales only for July: https://pornbox.com/application/store/best-sellers/2020/7

1st 1on1 anal intro sells too of course, but better with Mr. Anderson than Nikolas.

The point is to exploit new performer step by step.
- First of all, girl needs time to develop skills
- Second, almost every girl gets a chance. Who is selling well is welcome for more scenes.
- It does not matter if the DP gets maybe less sales than a bga, to shoot the DP is a way to have the girl performing harder stuff in future.
- Who is not supported from audience, unfortunately will not have more scenes.

Thanks, Giorgio!

Giorgio Grandi wrote:- Who is not supported from audience, unfortunately will not have more scenes.

Of course and right so!
But will you invite best supported girls to Prague later?
And if they shoot badly selling DP with them, will it not negatively affect their chances to get shot?

Thank you Giorgio for posting useful and believable information.
I think this forum is better when the professionals contribute sometimes to balance the noisy opinions of a few fans.
I hope other fans will see your post and continue to support the girls they want to see more.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:The point is to exploit new performer step by step.

- Who is not supported from audience, unfortunately will not have more scenes.

But sometimes it takes a while to connect with the audience. And what's the alternative? 500 scenes a year with Anna DeVille?

This is not serious use of statistics dap-addict!

You try to make generalizations based on sales in July on the 31 of July. This is silly since you are comparing sales for scenes that have been available for the span between 0 and 30 days. This will skew sales numbers in favor of scenes that have been available for more days. If you want to make this kind of comparison you should base it on an earlier month to allow for customers to actually have the time to buy some of the scenes.

Looking at the best sellers for Giorgio's Lab Russia in June, we find:
#1 Nata Paradise DAP
#2 Nata Paradise DP
#3 Light Fairy DP
#4 Stasia Si & Sweety Plum DAP
#5 May Fiesta DP
#6 Stasia Si DAP

https://pornbox.com/application/studio/33/2020/6
The only conclusion we can make is that the model has the largest impact and that DAP is more popular than DP for these two scenes with this model.

If we look at best sellers ever for GL Russia we get this list:
#1 Alexa Flexy DP
#2 Light Fairy 1on1
#3 Nata Paradise DAP
#4 Sweet Hole 1on1
#5 Lizi Smoke DAP
#6 Nata Paradise 1on1

Note that Light Fairy 1on1 is among the best sellers ever, but not her DAP or DP. Looking further on her we find that both her DP scenes are more popular than her DAP scenes, which suggests that your suggestion would lead to lower profits for some models. And that seems to be the key issue here. The models are the greatest determining factor for sales, and attempting to DAP all of the as soon as possible and then continue to only shoot DAP with them will only lead to many of them never returning at all. Many of them, if allowed to progress naturally could end up with sales patterns such as Light Fairy, so it's unwise to make your preferred fetish the only one allowed.

I don't know how LP ranks scenes with alternative versions with and without piss, but it seems that all sales for both versions are counted but only the piss version is displayed in the actual listing, so we can't actually say anything with any certainty regarding this fetish.

Nice analysis, thanks!
I should have gone back to at least June for sure and based it on June and July. Thanks you have done it.
Now Light Fairy is an exception rather. Take Lizzi Smoke or Sweetie Plum - and also take wet and manhandle into calculation. Wet DP often outsells DAPbreakin' so far, not surprisingly, but subsequent DAP scenes would perform much better than DAPbreakin', the same as they do at GIO proper.

DPraved wrote:The models are the greatest determining factor for sales, and attempting to DAP all of the as soon as possible and then continue to only shoot DAP with them will only lead to many of them never returning at all.

Who says this?
They are Russian girls after all and they do what directors tell them to vast extent. On top local DAP fee is attractive compared to local income possibilities. And sure so for all girls not living in Moscow or Piter proper.

You also forget that these girls also shoot for other lighter productions, some sold on pornbox like Private or DDF, some elsewhere. So overall porn sex act pattern per model turns out much more varied.

This is not a discussion worth having, since neither one of us is objective on this matter.
I simply pointed out that your claim in the thread title was not supported by available data and it still isn't.

DPraved wrote:This is not a discussion worth having, since neither one of us is objective on this matter.
I simply pointed out that your claim in the thread title was not supported by available data and it still isn't.

This should have quoted dap-addict in the post above, of course. Sorry for double-post.

edited the title.
Are you a DP fan than?
Lets find more evidence in those lists. There were some of best DPs I've watched in ages, Mia Sanders f.i.
Anyway, I think its safe to go with Giorgio who sure knows DP sales and lower sales are calculated as he answered.

dap-addict wrote:edited the title.
Are you a DP fan than?

Yes! I thought my username made it obvious?
I get defensive by these kind of proposals, since you know as well as I do, that LP-DPs (Gonzo mainly, but also some GG with BBC) are second to none. Other producers are no substitute.
I only buy DAP-scenes if the model is exceptional or if they are as intense as a good DP-scene. I find most DAP-scenes slow and boring to be honest. Better some high-intensity DP-fucking, if the alternative is 1.5 dicks in her ass with barely any movement, which seems often to be the case with DAP. It's beyond my comprehension why anyone would want to make that the norm at the expense of good DP-scenes.

Defensive posters are good for real analysis!
Gonzo DP sells fine because studio has other roots, long standing NHB history and other production priority.
GIO (GG) was actually able to sell a few DP from mid 2019, but only with exceptional girls and mainly BBC as you noticed. One thing I wanted to point to is that GLab customers buy like GIO customers and not gonzo ones. One could have thought that new Piter studio reaches more beyond GIO users but they seem not to.

You have the feeling you get too little DP really?
My suggestion was mainly sales based,since I realized GLab customers have same porn shopping habits like GIO users. Plus its really no problem to shoot anal and than soon directly DAP for GLab to get the girls accustomed to harder porn sex scenes step by step varying with number of studs, manhandle, bdsm and piss.
Problem may rather be on investment side for local directors cause DAP fee is of course much higher than DP fee.

dap-addict wrote:Defensive posters are good for real analysis!
Gonzo DP sells fine because studio has other roots, long standing NHB history and other production priority.
GIO (GG) was actually able to sell a few DP from mid 2019, but only with exceptional girls and mainly BBC as you noticed. One thing I wanted to point to is that GLab customers buy like GIO customers and not gonzo ones. One could have thought that new Piter studio reaches more beyond GIO users but they seem not to.

You have the feeling you get too little DP really?
My suggestion was mainly sales based,since I realized GLab customers have same porn shopping habits like GIO users. Plus its really no problem to shoot anal and than soon directly DAP for GLab to get the girls accustomed to harder porn sex scenes step by step varying with number of studs, manhandle, bdsm and piss.
Problem may rather be on investment side for local directors cause DAP fee is of course much higher than DP fee.

How can you possibly say that with any certainty? Do you have direct access to the LP-platform sales databases and can identify all users purchasing history? There is no way you can make this kind of statement otherwise. I would argue that most customers buy scenes from more than one studio, since that is the whole point of the platform.

What I take offence to is your constant arguing for nothing but DAP for the entire platform. Not all models will be comfortable with this, and even if you think it's OK to never see those girls again, there are many customers on this platform who would gladly buy other types of content with them. Your (and others) "do DAP or get out" rhetoric is detrimental to the image of the platform as a whole, thus limiting it's appeal to models with no intention of going down that route. It also creates a vicious circle with the platform getting associated with just DAP, and as a result only attracting the type of customers who won't buy anything else. This weakens the viability of the platform for other studios since the customer base for anything but DAP would already have been excluded.

DPraved wrote:What I take offence to is your constant arguing for nothing but DAP for the entire platform. Not all models will be comfortable with this, and even if you think it's OK to never see those girls again, there are many customers on this platform who would gladly buy other types of content with them.

Read above and read my posts and you see you are probably just another poster misguided by my avatar.
Different studios have different core customer base, but me, too, like almost all of us, buy from different LP studios. I buy a lot of gonzo with lots of DP footage included actually and I buy a lot of 1on1 anal scenes.
I also made pretty clear that GLab rookies shot by Piter studios get a lot of lighter scenes for other studios, thus your "Do DAP or get out" seemingly driving girls out of porn makes no sense at all. Plus: Many girls ask them to shoot DAP with them and not the other way round. DAP fee payed in Russia is just too good compared to 1on1 anal or DP fee. Not only in Russia, btw.

Finally in terms of sustainability I really want all hardcore anal users happy here, but I do include also those who want DAP and not only those who want DP. Its always a mix, but please go and compare sex act sales performance of GIO/GL vs. gonzo. Its so obvious that these studios have different core production formats, while shooting for a wide range of users still.

And last but not least: Did I write already (here or in their model threads) how much I enjoyed watching Mia Sanders, Lagoona Blaze e.a. DPs? Its really not b/w, but we both have different core fetish needs, thats true.

dap-addict wrote:

DPraved wrote:What I take offence to is your constant arguing for nothing but DAP for the entire platform. Not all models will be comfortable with this, and even if you think it's OK to never see those girls again, there are many customers on this platform who would gladly buy other types of content with them.

Read above and read my posts and you see you are probably just another poster misguided by my avatar.
Different studios have different core customer base, but me, too, like almost all of us, buy from different LP studios. I buy a lot of gonzo with lots of DP footage included actually and I buy a lot of 1on1 anal scenes.
I also made pretty clear that GLab rookies shot by Piter studios get a lot of lighter scenes for other studios, thus your "Do DAP or get out" seemingly driving girls out of porn makes no sense at all. Plus: Many girls ask them to shoot DAP with them and not the other way round. DAP fee payed in Russia is just too good compared to 1on1 anal or DP fee. Not only in Russia, btw.

Finally in terms of sustainability I really want all hardcore anal users happy here, but I do include also those who want DAP and not only those who want DP. Its always a mix, but please go and compare sex act sales performance of GIO/GL vs. gonzo. Its so obvious that these studios have different core production formats, while shooting for a wide range of users still.

And last but not least: Did I write already (here or in their model threads) how much I enjoyed watching Mia Sanders, Lagoona Blaze e.a. DPs? Its really not b/w, but we both have different core fetish needs, thats true.

I'm not claiming girls are driven out of porn altogether. I'm claiming that they are driven away from the LP trademark, which to many has become synonymous with "DAP is expected from you if you shoot there". I'm saying that the whole idea of a platform for multiple studios, is to support a diverse enough customer-base for studios not focusing on DAP to also do well. Turning the only studio actively scouting new talent to a straight-to-DAP entry to LP only cements that image. The difference between you and I regarding our off-fetish, is that you constantly argue that studios should stop shooting DP-scenes while I don't argue that studios should stop shooting DAP.

By the way, the thread title is even more factually incorrect now for the exact reasons I explained in my first reply in this thread. The only way you can make it factually accurate is if you change it to "dap-addict bought more GLab DAP than DP scenes in July". You simply can not make general statement regarding sales until the sales for all scenes in the sample have stabilized!

He is single minded on everything DAP so it doesn't make any sense debating with him, especially 0% Pussy. This site has quickly change from site that was focused on anal but offered many fetishes with beautiful women doing more extreme content not found in quantity on other sites like DP but its drive to constant push the porn limits ruined the site. I think its is obvious to all looking at this site that with the extreme content so has the quality of the girls performing on the site. There is always a couple of beautiful women performing but it is not the norm that it used to be. I compiled some fetish results that are always being discussed on the forum and it couldn't be clearer that LP aka AnalVids aka PornBox is no longer a site catering to stuff I want to see.

Top 5 Fetishes debated (from 2020 Top 100 Bestsellers list scenes)

• DAP - 61
• Piss Drinking - 55
• Prolapse - 19
• DP - 18
• Transsexual - 13

The customers have drastically changed, the only thing I care about on this bestseller list is DP. I guess Giorgio was right about the fetish being more important than the girls. No company has ever existed to lose money so this trend to circus acts will only get more dominant. Plus I'm not interested to pay these prices for an inferior product IMO.

Fantastic debate and well put arguments all round.

I buy DAP but only if I like the girl and even then tend to skip the long, often boring (imo) DAP sequences which have very little movement or passion.
Would much prefer an energetic, fast paced and hard DP anytime.
Or even a simple anal line up in a good position - standing doggy, cock-hopping reverse cowgirl, cock-squatting on haunches.

There is room for all tastes here. Take what you like, leave what you don’t.
Lobbying for any fetish is pretty pointless anyway. Only money talks in the end.

Sweep11 wrote:Lobbying for any fetish is pretty pointless anyway. Only money talks in the end.

This is why they reduced tkt price for GLab DP by 15% now hoping to sell that act better after the reduce.

But if DP still wouldnt sell really its pointless to shoot it and developing skills with girls has to be arranged with anal sex only varying number of studs and anal/DAP/TAP. Most positions for DP and DAP are the same and its clear that DP is an easier act to train them, but with Russian girls given that culture it can also be done less smooth and it will be fine still.

^I vehemently disagree with your analysis but you knew that was going to be expected

Remember we can only tell that one scene sold more than another based on the position it holds on the list. We don't know the profits the scene made for the studio but I don't care about this as it is the studios business. What I do care about is the erroneous conclusion you came too. Based on the Giorgio's Lab bestseller scene positions the things that are evident to me from the 30 released scenes are:

1. 1on1 scene are most profitable (8 of the Top 15)
2. Piss scenes are a close 2nd (6 of the Top15)
3. Freak stuff like Transvestites and Mother/Daughter are in Top10
4. Nata Paradise, Sweetie Plum and Light Fairie continue to prove that models are important in scene selection and are demanded.
5. Fetish doesn't always guarantee a scenes success or failure as the 5 worst performing scenes in July are ordered from worst sales described by content focus:
   
   30. DAP / No Piss
   29. DP / No Piss
   28. 1on1 / No Piss
   27. DP / No Piss
   26. DP / Piss

dpconnoisseur1 wrote:^I vehemently disagree with your analysis but you knew that was going to be expected

Remember we can only tell that one scene sold more than another based on the position it holds on the list. We don't know the profits the scene made for the studio but I don't care about this as it is the studios business. What I do care about is the erroneous conclusion you came too. Based on the Giorgio's Lab bestseller scene positions the things that are evident to me from the 30 released scenes are:

1. 1on1 scene are most profitable (8 of the Top 15)
2. Piss scenes are a close 2nd (6 of the Top15)
3. Freak stuff like Transvestites and Mother/Daughter are in Top10
4. Nata Paradise, Sweetie Plum and Light Fairie continue to prove that models are important in scene selection and are demanded.
5. Fetish doesn't always guarantee a scenes success or failure as the 5 worst performing scenes in July are ordered from worst sales described by content focus:
   
   30. DAP / No Piss
   29. DP / No Piss
   28. 1on1 / No Piss
   27. DP / No Piss
   26. DP / Piss

This!
Finally

dpconnoisseur1 wrote:^I vehemently disagree with your analysis but you knew that was going to be expected

Remember we can only tell that one scene sold more than another based on the position it holds on the list. We don't know the profits the scene made for the studio but I don't care about this as it is the studios business. What I do care about is the erroneous conclusion you came too. Based on the Giorgio's Lab bestseller scene positions the things that are evident to me from the 30 released scenes are:
[list=1]
[*] 1on1 scene are most profitable (8 of the Top 15)

Check your math, I count two in the top 15 in July 1 on 1.
10 out of top 15 are piss. Not that piss sells the entire scene, but a wet version will always outsell the dry version.

dpconnoisseur1 wrote:[*] Fetish doesn't always guarantee a scenes success or failure as the 5 worst performing scenes in July are ordered from worst sales described by content focus:

30. DAP / No Piss
29. DP / No Piss
28. 1on1 / No Piss
27. DP / No Piss
26. DP / Piss

[/list]

No piss here indicates that there is also a piss version except for the 1on1 in rank 28. Piss version always outsells non-piss version in case there are two. Its the same as in GIO and gonzo and IV. DP no-piss are again ranked last because also if you take 1st five ranks there you find no DP scenes at all, also no piss DP scenes. Juggle it around as you want, except for the girls mentioned above DP performs worst in sales. Exceptional girls DPs always sold also @ GIO and Giorgio Grandi also always mentioned that fact that DP sells only with exceptional girls.
Models in this care are important in scene selection, here you are right.

Also, if my OP analysis was completely wrong, why would Giorgio have answered this first?

Giorgio Grandi wrote:- It does not matter if the DP gets maybe less sales than a bga, to shoot the DP is a way to have the girl performing harder stuff in future.

Thus so far DP low sales are calculated for a higher cause or for strategic long-term reasons.

I just pointed out to the fact that in this special Russian rookie setting, shooting DP isn't needed because local culture would allow an anal sex only step by step approach.

Finally as end users we have also to see this in context of comparably high GLab prices.

drevokocur66 wrote:

dpconnoisseur1 wrote:^I vehemently disagree with your analysis but you knew that was going to be expected

Remember we can only tell that one scene sold more than another based on the position it holds on the list. We don't know the profits the scene made for the studio but I don't care about this as it is the studios business. What I do care about is the erroneous conclusion you came too. Based on the Giorgio's Lab bestseller scene positions the things that are evident to me from the 30 released scenes are:
[list=1]
[*] 1on1 scene are most profitable (8 of the Top 15)

Check your math, I count two in the top 15 in July 1 on 1.
10 out of top 15 are piss. Not that piss sells the entire scene, but a wet version will always outsell the dry version.

Math is fine double checked before posting it. The OP, provided the context of the analysis which was Giorgio Lab scenes only which are what the numbers reflect. What you see here is result filtered on Giorgio Lab scene performance against itself no other studio matters in the OP context. So check your math again and see if you still disagree.

dap-addict wrote:

dpconnoisseur1 wrote:[*] Fetish doesn't always guarantee a scenes success or failure as the 5 worst performing scenes in July are ordered from worst sales described by content focus:

30. DAP / No Piss
29. DP / No Piss
28. 1on1 / No Piss
27. DP / No Piss
26. DP / Piss

[/list]

No piss here indicates that there is also a piss version except for the 1on1 in rank 28. Piss version always outsells non-piss version in case there are two. Its the same as in GIO and gonzo and IV. DP no-piss are again ranked last because also if you take 1st five ranks there you find no DP scenes at all, also no piss DP scenes. Juggle it around as you want, except for the girls mentioned above DP performs worst in sales. Exceptional girls DPs always sold also @ GIO and Giorgio Grandi also always mentioned that fact that DP sells only with exceptional girls.
Models in this care are important in scene selection, here you are right.

Also, if my OP analysis was completely wrong, why would Giorgio have answered this first?

Giorgio Grandi wrote:- It does not matter if the DP gets maybe less sales than a bga, to shoot the DP is a way to have the girl performing harder stuff in future.

Thus so far DP low sales are calculated for a higher cause or for strategic long-term reasons.

I just pointed out to the fact that in this special Russian rookie setting, shooting DP isn't needed because local culture would allow an anal sex only step by step approach.

Finally as end users we have also to see this in context of comparably high GLab prices.

No piss does not indicate that there is a piss version. I threw out all scenes from the analysis that had another lower purchased version which if included would bring the total scene count from July to 40 not 30 scenes. So the numbers are correct for the worst scenes also. If I had left in the lower purchased Non piss duplicate version it would make it that more obvious that 1on1 and anything containing piss is the most purchased content at Giorgio Lab. Here are the worst 5 scenes without removing the duplicate non piss version:

40. 1on1 (Non piss duplicate version)
39. DAP (Non piss duplicate version)
38. DAP (Non piss duplicate version)
37. DAP (Non piss duplicate version)
36. DP (Non piss duplicate version)

One last comment on scenes made with piss that also have a non piss duplicate version made available for sale, unless you find piss disgusting as I do why would customers cheat themselves of 15 minutes of more content. The Lizi Smoke scene is a perfect example of this, the piss version (7 tickets) is the number one scene in July while the non piss (6.5 tickets) is the 3rd worst purchased. A half a ticket to get the non piss version saves you 0.30 cents of the full scene cost. If you are worried about a half of a ticket in the overall cost of LP scenes you probably own just a few scenes.

Looking at Gio Labs scenes released in the month of July 2020 and sorted by popularity (sales) per screenshot:

I think that:
There are 5 1x1 scenes in the top 15.
There are 6 wet versions in the top 15.

So what?
We customers have no clue about profitability.
We have no clue about numbers of copies sold.
All we know is scene rank in a “popularity” list.
We don’t even know if published “popularity” is measured by numbers of copies sold, or by cash revenue generated.
The #1 scene may have generated just a few more copies (or Euros) in sales than the #2, or #3, or #15 scene, or it may have outsold them by many thousands.
We don’t know.

So I don’t think we can say DP doesn’t sell when it might sell almost as well as other acts, and might be quite profitable for what it costs to produce.
Just as we can’t say a model didn’t sell. Of course some models are more popular. But only Pornbox and the studios know her actual sales numbers and profitability relative to other comparable scenes.

In addition to developing models as GG wrote, I think DP can be popular with some fans who might not be in the market for endless DAP’s, and who might represent lost sales if they aren’t catered for. So I think it’s better to cater for those fans, and give the models some more paid work to develop their skills, and make some more sales.

dpconnoisseur1 wrote:No piss does not indicate that there is a piss version. I threw out all scenes from the analysis that had another lower purchased version which if included would bring the total scene count from July to 40 not 30 scenes.

Ok, fine. Got it wrong than.
What I said however in core is: GLab sales ranks look like they would follow the same pattern as GIO sales ranks. And concerning GIO sales Giorgio said many times that DP would not sell, except for very beautiful or very exceptional models, like Polly Pons for instance.
Here in his answers to OP cited above again, indeed, Giorgio hints at the same. He just explains that lower DP sales were calculated in the step-by-step development strategy of rookie skills.

Another misunderstanding is that I was speaking only about GLab Piter scenes in OP and not all GLab scenes, meaning neither Scarlet Domingos 1on1 with Robin Reid nor Marco Neros Italian GLab scene(s). Reference is Russia, Russian rookies and Russian culture, nothing else.

avanfurwet wrote:Looking at Gio Labs scenes released in the month of July 2020 and sorted by popularity (sales) per screenshot:

GL_scenes_released_July2020_by_popularity_screen.jpg

I think that:
There are 5 1x1 scenes in the top 15.
There are 6 wet versions in the top 15.

GL_scenes_released_July2020_by_popularity_list.png

So what?
We customers have no clue about profitability.
We have no clue about numbers of copies sold.
All we know is scene rank in a “popularity” list.
We don’t even know if published “popularity” is measured by numbers of copies sold, or by cash revenue generated.
The #1 scene may have generated just a few more copies (or Euros) in sales than the #2, or #3, or #15 scene, or it may have outsold them by many thousands.
We don’t know.

So I don’t think we can say DP doesn’t sell when it might sell almost as well as other acts, and might be quite profitable for what it costs to produce.
Just as we can’t say a model didn’t sell. Of course some models are more popular. But only Pornbox and the studios know her actual sales numbers and profitability relative to other comparable scenes.

In addition to developing models as GG wrote, I think DP can be popular with some fans who might not be in the market for endless DAP’s, and who might represent lost sales if they aren’t catered for. So I think it’s better to cater for those fans, and give the models some more paid work to develop their skills, and make some more sales.

Thanks for your great work in illustrating this! I must apologize as I counted Lizi smoke, Nata Paradise and Flick Luchik as 1on1 which inflated 1on1 and hurt DAP numbers. I should have trusted JavaScript to do the count instead of doing it visually. I thought the tag system would not be inaccurate but it ended being me eyes that was . Redoing the raw counts it is clear that DAP is most popular at Giorgio Lab in July and I agree with dap-addicts conclusion.

1. DAP 8 scenes (only 3 without piss In Top15)
2. Piss 6 scenes (5 DAP and 1 1on1 in Top15)
3. 1on1 5 scenes (only 1 with piss in Top 15)

I think I will write something to extract the results you presented in the 2nd screenshot @avanfurwet in JavsScript for my own practice. It has been a while since I coded in JavaScript.


I also fully agree with your comment that I bolded and enlarged but I have no data on this only a wishful feeling so that DP content continues to be created with both new and veteran performers!

Nata Paradise 4x1 is DP. Tags and title are wrong and misleading.

^Damn it, I give up!!! I never even looked at the trailer because it said DAP

Who knows what else is wrong? I will just leave it up to the studios and just keep requesting more DP content.

DPraved wrote:Nata Paradise 4x1 is DP. Tags and title are wrong and misleading.

That is correct. Thank you.
So, after I bought that scene, and posted on her thread that it was mislabelled, I then managed to list it incorrectly.
Sorry about that.

Anyway, she's a very popular young lady and her DP scene is #3 best seller.
Which is good.
And further evidence that we have no evidence presented here that DP scenes don't sell.

dpconnoisseur1 wrote:I think I will write something to extract the results you presented in the 2nd screenshot @avanfurwet in JavsScript for my own practice. It has been a while since I coded in JavaScript.

Good luck with programming screen scraping. Sounds advanced.
I'll just stick to typing stuff slowly into a spreadsheet with my thumbs.

dpconnoisseur1 wrote:Redoing the raw counts it is clear that DAP is most popular at Giorgio Lab in July and I agree with dap-addicts conclusion.

Does this hold still after re-distributing the latest mislabelled (and still not corrected) Nata Paradise scene?

Me, originally I had just focused on DP scenes rankings only. For me it was more about the GIO / GLab pattern. Both studios are very different, but it was Giorgio Grandi who commissioned the GLab Piter studio still. Also Mr. Anderson at least worked for GIO a lot, which creates an additional link.
GLab however gladly got lots of new fans, some of whom had given up on GIO scenes of lately.

Personally I like 1 on 1 and DP more than DAP.

The problem with DAP is that you don't want to imagine your own penis touching another penis.

What you do want to imagine or feel in your mind with the neurotransmitters activated by watching porn, are the walls of the girls rectum, and the tightness of her anus covering your dick, also your penis going deep inside feeling her inner insides, not other dude's dick rubbing on you.

That said, DAP can be fun sometimes because visually you can see the girl facial expression of feeling two dicks in her ass, but it is a more casual treat, not the main thing to go after.

If the girl is very attractive, looks clean, with minimum tattoos, or no tattoos at all, I usually end up getting all her videos anyway because of how good she looks.

I also wish they had Mike in Russia because those girls would definitely benefit from getting older black cock, but Mr. Anderson is fine, I prefer him over most performers any day.

stratogustav wrote:Personally I like 1 on 1 and DP more than DAP.

The problem with DAP is that you don't want to imagine your own penis touching another penis.

What you do want to imagine or feel in your mind with the neurotransmitters activated by watching porn, are the walls of the girls rectum, and the tightness of her anus covering your dick, also your penis going deep inside feeling her inner insides, not other dude's dick rubbing on you.

That said, DAP can be fun sometimes because visually you can see the girl facial expression of feeling two dicks in her ass, but it is a more casual treat, not the main thing to go after.

If the girl is very attractive, looks clean, with minimum tattoos, or no tattoos at all, I usually end up getting all her videos anyway because of how good she looks.

I also wish they had Mike in Russia because those girls would definitely benefit from getting older black cock, but Mr. Anderson is fine, I prefer him over most performers any day.

This made me giggle, but also, YEAH.

magizi87 wrote:

stratogustav wrote:The problem with DAP is that you don't want to imagine your own penis touching another penis.
This made me giggle, but also, YEAH.

Neither do I, really not!
But who tells you you have to imagine that instead of fully concentrating on the girl?

Btw, I just watched a DAPbreakin' of a GLab girl who just couldn't perform DAP really even she had 2 DP scenes shot prior to her 1st DAP. They both sold soso, but may have rendered investment into that act at least. I hope so for GLab studio. GL199 just shows me step-by-step helps not much really if the girl has not the anal talent needed for DAP. It only may help her moving into right positions, which makes shooting process faster, which is good for all workers involved.
All I basically say is 1on1 > DP > DAP step-by-step approach doesnt really fit Russian culture and work ethics because girls will do on porn set what director asks them to do anyway. DP thus should be shot only if it can be sold fine really and this renders good profit due to girls exceptional beauty.
Position training can be done also with DAP scenes instead of DP scenes. Its better pay for girls, same investment into studs fees and all other costs are the same.

dap-addict wrote:

magizi87 wrote:

stratogustav wrote:The problem with DAP is that you don't want to imagine your own penis touching another penis.
This made me giggle, but also, YEAH.

Neither do I, really not!
But who tells you you have to imagine that instead of fully concentrating on the girl?

Btw, I just watched a DAPbreakin' of a GLab girl who just couldn't perform DAP really even she had 2 DP scenes shot prior to her 1st DAP. They both sold soso, but may have rendered investment into that act at least. I hope so for GLab studio. GL199 just shows me step-by-step helps not much really if the girl has not the anal talent needed for DAP. It only may help her moving into right positions, which makes shooting process faster, which is good for all workers involved.
All I basically say is 1on1 > DP > DAP step-by-step approach doesnt really fit Russian culture and work ethics because girls will do on porn set what director asks them to do anyway. DP thus should be shot only if it can be sold fine really and this renders good profit due to girls exceptional beauty.
Position training can be done also with DAP scenes instead of DP scenes. Its better pay for girls, same investment into studs fees and all other costs are the same.

If I want, I can simply just watch softcore videos, and I do. But I also like hardcore videos which requires males and females.
What's the point of hardcore movies if I mentally block out the males, lol. Doesn't that become a softcore video?

Like dude, I know you like DAP, and all I wanted to say was that I thought how he said what he said, was funny sounding.

On Sugar Lya model thread:

dap-addict wrote:GIO is shooting DP as a next step from 1on1 to DAPbreakin' when they doubt the girl can do it straight and calculation of lower sales still renders enough profits. Sugar Lya obviously didnt need that step. Shooting DAP always pays much better for the girl than much lower payed DP.

@avan: Russian rookies perform what directors ask them to perform on a porn set. Its another cultural setting. I simply dont see why sacrificing scarce shooting slots makes sense for an act selling worse and rendering less profits.
This said, for girls not planning to stay in porn more than 1 shooting session of 1-2 weeks its better to shoot 1on1, DP and DAP and not only 1on1 and DAP only of course. For the studio however it would make more sense to test the girls deeper waters fast. If she can't perform DAP that's it. No drama, but she can't work for GIO in Prague than and investment into her career makes no sense lest they find another co-oporating agency for her.

You've assumed but not proved that DP generates lower sales and lower profits. Maybe it's true, but since you have an obvious partisan agenda, you cannot expect neutral readers to believe you without evidence.

A DP scene which costs less to make than a DAP could sell the same or fewer copies at a lower price and still make the same or more profit. We don't know the numbers.

We know that a popular model like Nata Paradise can make a DP scene which outsells other pretty models doing DAP. But we don't know if she outsold them by a few copies (or Euros) or many thousands.

Some of the new St Petersburg and Moscow based models may never travel to Prague to shoot DAP for Grandi. They may not even want to. Their GL scenes may still be adequately profitable.

Is shooting slots really the critical constraint? So they've scouted so many hot new models they don't have enough slots to shoot them all?
If that really is true, then they could consider setting up a second unit (maybe Strelly or similar) to shoot profitable beginner scenes and then graduate the most promising girls to work with Anderson and Nikolas in Russia, and finally on to Prague.

magizi87 wrote:What's the point of hardcore movies if I mentally block out the males, lol. Doesn't that become a softcore video?

LOL!
I dont block out the males, but I dont put myself 1:1 in their position in my fantasy. Girls reactions to what males do with her is more important to me, than putting myself in there on males place.
Difficult to explain maybe, but yes, for sure that comment sounded funny.

Anyway, for me DAP is a show, call it even circus act if you like, and I want to see how its performed by the girls and the studs also. Studs have to move fast and deep in and out ideally and be full wood-proof doing it. If I wanna imagine to be one of them for me its much easier in 1on1 anal, though. But usually I dont need to imagine that, because porn is a pure fantasy show for me, plus more and more also interesting to check just how this was performed and filmed on set in 1:1. Its just fascinating, also because circus artists are no pro artists but basically civilians still.

avanfurwet wrote:Maybe it's true, but since you have an obvious partisan agenda, you cannot expect neutral readers to believe you without evidence.

I know the exact local fees but I can't publish them and I hope you understand.
Also sales numbers are accessible with some tricks but I can't tell here how. But what is evident is that I have been a DAP partisan for many years in other forums and you clearly see what is and was happening at LP. If I was wrong about DAP outselling DP they sure wouldn't have produced more and more DAP. Besides we both know each other from ebi still, no? So just go figure!

This said there are production reasons and also scouting to keep shooting DP, which in Russia isolated dont apply really. That's what I am saying. After such a post Giorgio and other decision makers will re-vise those DP sales rates and draw their conclusions most likely. This said as I already pointed out some DPs sold fine here and some were also good in my limited DP-book really.

Now Russian girls at large will still do what directors tell them and they will prefer to perform the best-payed acts if only they manage to do that on set. Everybody knowing that side of sex work a bit in Russia from the past and Russian mentality knows that. But most dont have this experience, thus I do try to explain some things here. You can of course dismiss it, especially if it doenst fit your picture. Your view doenst become true by that.

avanfurwet wrote:Is shooting slots really the critical constraint? So they've scouted so many hot new models they don't have enough slots to shoot them all?

Many girls they scouted can't work as much for them as they would like.
Problem for sure is also very limited able studs base. And lots of time and care needed to find more really able studs, able to shoot 2-3 scenes in a row per day I mean and (almost) never fail because waiting for studs is a pain in the ass and just creates bad mood on set.
Third factor is ego of scouts, agents, directors and limited safe places to shoot. Its all combined mostly. In ideal circumstances - just planned out on paper - I could shoot 3 times more scenes and yes, anal/DAP only for GLab. But yes, a few girls would quit, but a few quit anyway no matter what sex acts are demanded. Generally a Russian girl performs what director asks her to perform!