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Colour balance in Giorgio scenes.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:34 am
by Tangini
I posted this comment in the general forum, as it's something I've been thinking about the quality in general.

I need to be careful how I say it, as I 100% mean it constructively, and mean no offence.
But I was thinking about the scenes, and trying to figure out why some older scenes seem somehow different.
More hypnotic somehow.

It's not the content as such. That is still great. Especially Giorgio stuff.

Is Giorgio slightly colourblind though?

Again, I'm not trying to be rude, but his scenes seem to have a slight red/pink colour cast.
I tried tweaking the colour curves in VLC and it's so much better, with the colour temperature turned down.

Can anyone else who is a bit more tech savvy post some before and after shots?

I really feel like better colour balance could make a huge difference.

Sorry if this seems rude, it's not meant that way.
I hope it's something you can look at.

Re: Colour balance in Giorgio scenes.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:21 am
by Tip-Drill
Tangini wrote:I posted this comment in the general forum, as it's something I've been thinking about the quality in general.

I need to be careful how I say it, as I 100% mean it constructively, and mean no offence.
But I was thinking about the scenes, and trying to figure out why some older scenes seem somehow different.
More hypnotic somehow.

It's not the content as such. That is still great. Especially Giorgio stuff.

Is Giorgio slightly colourblind though?

Again, I'm not trying to be rude, but his scenes seem to have a slight red/pink colour cast.
I tried tweaking the colour curves in VLC and it's so much better, with the colour temperature turned down.

Can anyone else who is a bit more tech savvy post some before and after shots?

I really feel like better colour balance could make a huge difference.

Sorry if this seems rude, it's not meant that way.
I hope it's something you can look at.



Upgrade your TV, problem solved

Re: Colour balance in Giorgio scenes.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:34 am
by IndyPleco
Do you have any scene examples?

Re: Colour balance in Giorgio scenes.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:20 am
by Giorgio Grandi
The scene you can download from pornbox has "neutral colors", means you can tune the colors tweaking the color curves in your player.

Otherwise, setting an higher grade of saturation in the file you download wont allow people to tune a different color grade.

It is intentional, I try to make everyone happy as everyone can chose his own color grade.

Re: Colour balance in Giorgio scenes.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:58 pm
by Tangini
Thank you for the reply Giorgio. I'll post here as people thought I was insulting you in the other forum.

An example for me was in the Lindsay Logan sineplex scene. In the blue dress. I can't remember the exact one. But I noticed how crisp and vivid it appeared.

I then saw a Belle Clare scene, from Giorgio. It appeared muted and flat.

But when I turned down the red, and slightly enhanced the blue, it felt like a different scene.

That's why I feel the colour grading is just slightly off.

I don't have access to a computer anytime soon unfortunately.

So I can't post any comparison.

This is just an observation, and if it's an intentional choice, that is of course, your perogative.

Thanks again for all the hard work Giorgio.

Ps. My other mission on LP, is to get some more milking scenes.

So I may as well ask here as well. Lol

Re: Colour balance in Giorgio scenes.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:06 pm
by avanfurwet
Again, different people perceive colour differently. No reason to imagine your personal perception is "right", or "wrong". Just different.

Re: Colour balance in Giorgio scenes.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:59 pm
by Tangini
avanfurwet wrote:Again, different people perceive colour differently. No reason to imagine your personal perception is "right", or "wrong". Just different.


Incorrect.

White balance is a science. It's a technical setting. That's why colour temperature is measured in Kelvin. (K) it's not something open to interpretation.
It's absolute.

I'm not trying to be a dick about this. Just making a technical observation.

If I had my laptop, I could be more technical. But I only have my phone.

Re: Colour balance in Giorgio scenes.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:05 pm
by Giorgio Grandi
there is no relation between white balance and saturation/colors

Re: Colour balance in Giorgio scenes.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:47 pm
by avanfurwet
Tangini wrote:
avanfurwet wrote:Again, different people perceive colour differently. No reason to imagine your personal perception is "right", or "wrong". Just different.


Incorrect.

White balance is a science. It's a technical setting. That's why colour temperature is measured in Kelvin. (K) it's not something open to interpretation.
It's absolute.

I'm not trying to be a dick about this. Just making a technical observation.

If I had my laptop, I could be more technical. But I only have my phone.

You're not making any technical observation.
You're just announcing your personal subjective opinion as a settled fact, without any evidence, suggesting the director is colour blind, and asking for it to be "looked at".
You've ignored other posters who have tried to help you by pointing out how you can calibrate your screens.
You've ignored the director who had the courtesy to respond and explain what he does and why.
You're not helping your own case.

Re: Colour balance in Giorgio scenes.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:54 pm
by Tangini
Thanks again for the reply. I won't argue. As I live your content and work ethic anyway. And also, I want to keep you sweet, as I'm now thinking about playing the husband, in the other thread you posted.... Lol

I'll leave this here.

It helped me understand when I learnt photography.
Maybe someone else out there, will get something from it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bhphot ... tal-images

Re: Colour balance in Giorgio scenes.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:06 pm
by Tangini
avanfurwet wrote:
Tangini wrote:
avanfurwet wrote:Again, different people perceive colour differently. No reason to imagine your personal perception is "right", or "wrong". Just different.


Incorrect.

White balance is a science. It's a technical setting. That's why colour temperature is measured in Kelvin. (K) it's not something open to interpretation.
It's absolute.

I'm not trying to be a dick about this. Just making a technical observation.

If I had my laptop, I could be more technical. But I only have my phone.

You're not making any technical observation.
You're just announcing your personal subjective opinion as a settled fact, without any evidence, suggesting the director is colour blind, and asking for it to be "looked at".
You've ignored other posters who have tried to help you by pointing out how you can calibrate your screens.
You've ignored the director who had the courtesy to respond and explain what he does and why.
You're not helping your own case.


I don't have a case. I'm not attached to any idea or viewpoint.

I presented an input.
Ignore or respond.

My TV is well calibrated.
But that adjustment can only be made with VLC, when linked to a laptop.

Although I only watch on my phone now. With no adjustments possible. Hence raising the issue.

I see a red/orange, warm colour cast. Maybe from tungsten lights and a slightly skewed grey set point.

I'm 100% sure Giorgio knows his camera inside out. Hence my assumption that as he is competent, maybe there is another reason.

If no one else sees or is concerned, so be it.
It's a first world problem, and it doesn't keep me awake. Just something I notice.

No offence intended and I'm grateful for the content.

Thanks for your input.

Re: Colour balance in Giorgio scenes.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:54 am
by Sir Noel
One of the good things in Giorgio's scenes is how neutral they are. He almost always avoids a colour cast.

Here is an example from a recent video. First looking at the whites. The sampling area
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Now look at the RGB levels for that area. What you want to see are all levels equal for a surface you expect to be pure white:
2020-01-28_00h39_09.png


Now look at skin tones. Here is the sampling area:
2020-01-28_00h39_24.png


And now to isolate that area. What you want to see is the skin hue running along the line on the polar chart (that line is literally there as a skin tone line). If it runs off the chart the skin will look unnaturally red or yellow.
2020-01-28_00h39_33.png


In both cases these are very accurate which means the scene is either shot corrected for any colour cast or Giorgio corrected for it afterwards.

Re: Colour balance in Giorgio scenes.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:33 am
by Giorgio Grandi
Tangini wrote:You're not making any technical observation.
You're just announcing your personal subjective opinion as a settled fact, without any evidence, suggesting the director is colour blind, and asking for it to be "looked at".
You've ignored other posters who have tried to help you by pointing out how you can calibrate your screens.
You've ignored the director who had the courtesy to respond and explain what he does and why.
You're not helping your own case.


I don't have a case. I'm not attached to any idea or viewpoint.

I presented an input.
Ignore or respond.

My TV is well calibrated.
But that adjustment can only be made with VLC, when linked to a laptop.

Although I only watch on my phone now. With no adjustments possible. Hence raising the issue.

I see a red/orange, warm colour cast. Maybe from tungsten lights and a slightly skewed grey set point.

I'm 100% sure Giorgio knows his camera inside out. Hence my assumption that as he is competent, maybe there is another reason.

If no one else sees or is concerned, so be it.
It's a first world problem, and it doesn't keep me awake. Just something I notice.

No offence intended and I'm grateful for the content.

Thanks for your input.[/quote]

The way the phone read the data regarding the color is probably different than on a computer/player.
I mean, if a video looks "cold colors" on computer and than looks "warm" on phone, Im pretty sure the way the phone read the color is not correct.

Would be nice to know at least what movies you are talking about, there are few movies where colors are warmer.