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Hey guys,

This is not the kind of post many of you are interested in on this forum... But I can't help but feel uncomfortable about Giorgio's GIO099. Specifically the part at 15:44 when Proxy says "I can't do a guy fist like that" (closed fist) and the guy does it anyway.

She is very clear about whether she wants to do it, stopping his wrist and shaking her head. She doesn't say "I don't know if I can do it" or "Maybe I can't do it". Also, a couple minutes later she's all fine with it but that's not the point either. If the actor or director reeaally wants a fist in her ass knuckles first and she says "no", what you do is 1) stop rolling and talk, and 2) reach some agreement. Maybe more warming up, maybe something else. But the fact that the actor was either stupid or sadistic enough to just ignore her leaves a very bad taste in my mouth, even if eventually it turned out allright.

And don't get me wrong — I think that kind of fisting is super hot. And I get that this site is about pushing some limits, and the girls know it too. And Proxy's no stranger to huge things in her butt. However, that makes it even worse to me. You can trust that she knows her limits and wants to make a good show like she's known for, and her objection was completely reasonable. The guys are supposed to be professionals (and usually are) but this just comes across as clueless amateurs playing with someone's health. In the end, I don't want to be left with a dick in my hand wondering if something was allright — I just want to jack off. There, I've vented.

inb4 ethics in porn lol wtf, they're worthless whores anyway, go watch your wussy ass erotica elsewhere faggot :D

Abuse are part of this busines

I haven't seen that one but I think you're right in what you're saying. I love LP in the main for the quality and super-hard nature of the scenes and am a big fan of Giorgio's camerawork but I do have an issue with his attitude towards the girls at times.

One that really annoyed me was in an Afina Kisser scene where at the start during the talk section he asks her about anal sex and concludes by saying that he likes to "film girls in pain". WTF? I don't want to see that and less to know that a director likes it and tries to create it.

Another bad one was a scene with Evelina Darling where at the end he's asking her to do something harder next time (10 or 20 guys or something) and she politely says "No" so he just keeps badgering her and insisting that she does with her continuing to politely refuse, although becoming more and more uncomfortable as it continues. How on Earth is that supposed to be hot? Really poor stuff.

I think with the talking sections there is often a little antipathy in there from Giorgio in general. He doesn't rejoice in the girls' sluttiness or enjoyment or try to bring this out further (something Christoph Clark used to do to amazing effect in his work) but rather seems to want to come across as superior or make them feel a bit uncomfortable or something. It happens to varying degrees (sometimes not there at all) so might just be a case of him getting out of bed on the wrong side every now and then or something. He needs to think more about how these things come across in his work though and what kind of audience they play well with (ie misogynists).

As a result of the above I basically fast forward through any talk sections at the beginning and ignore any at the end of scenes by him lest there's anything in there that might taint my enjoyment of an otherwise good scene.

Like you I only get off on scenes where the girl is having a great time. Anything else isn't porn for me, it's abuse.

Actually I'm lying as I just checked and I do have that scene. I assumed I didn't as I didn't recognise the bit you described, which I suspect I just haven't noticed as I'm not really into fisting so have probably always skipped.

Sorry to spam but I just watched the bit in question out of curiosity.

Mixed views as you're right she does say that but then at the same time she does seem to enjoy it in the end. It's a fine line isn't it? In porn does "no mean yes" potentially in those kind of situations? Hmm. Does Giorgio know it will work out based on his experience? I dunno. I'd like to think he took it on board and was maybe thinking "One more try and if she's still uncomfortable we stop". I think that's a strong possibility and would like to give him the benefit of the doubt.

It's also possible he didn't hear it (or fully register it) as it was said quite softly and he was "in the moment" or whatever.

I'm like you in that I'm sensitive to being easily turned off so would lose interest in a scene as a result of even one moment that definitely crossed a line (as with those examples I gave). Yet I think I'm OK with this one, only because of the very quick turnaround. Any lingering discomfort or unease from Proxy and I would be out.

Good post though and you're certainly right to bring these things up. They're important and there is far too much nasty misogynistic porn around, which I personally find very depressing as a fan of good porn (which LP is in the main). Don't let this put you off if it's an early dabble with LP as it's by no means endemic.

Surely this lot use safe-words yeah?

I went back to watch, out of curiousity, and don't believe there was abuse nor was Proxy forced to do what she didn't want. It is true she said she couldn't do guy fist like that but that was followed by her saying "maybe I can". The guy encouraged her by saying yes you can..just relax. The fisting continued and I did not see Proxy try in any way to move away, push him away or stop it.

Proxy is a legend in her own right. I really hope we get to see her in another LP scene some day. It may be a stretch but I am hopeful.

SeIsoKissa wrote: I don't want to be left with a dick in my hand wondering if something was allright

This is a good point.
I've seen another porn site have a chat with the woman after the scene (boundgangbangs? I'm not an expert on this type of thing) and asks her about the experience.

TheVulture wrote:I think with the talking sections there is often a little antipathy in there from Giorgio in general. He doesn't rejoice in the girls' sluttiness or enjoyment or try to bring this out further (something Christoph Clark used to do to amazing effect in his work) but rather seems to want to come across as superior or make them feel a bit uncomfortable or something.

Christoph Clark is the boss. You make a good point here about his revelry in the slutiness of the woman.
I don't see much of that thing in current porn output. Closest I can think is Rocco (although there is something rather silly in his constant vocal repeating of sentences "let me see etc") .
Giorgio's No Rest For The Ass stuff was in that ball park and it is something he has lost over the years. There's something mechanical/industrialised about it all now. He still makes top porno but that feel has gone.

Bummer-Harris wrote:Christoph Clark is the boss. You make a good point here about his revelry in the slutiness of the woman.
I don't see much of that thing in current porn output. Closest I can think is Rocco (although there is something rather silly in his constant vocal repeating of sentences "let me see etc") .
Giorgio's No Rest For The Ass stuff was in that ball park and it is something he has lost over the years. There's something mechanical/industrialised about it all now. He still makes top porno but that feel has gone.

With Giorgio I don't necessarily want him to try to be more like Christoph Clark as I just suspect it isn't his style. For me though if he isn't going to be nice to the girls or try to bring out their sluttiness then I just wish he wouldn't speak to them as there isn't any specific need for it. Just film the scene and leave it at that.

I don't want to get into a massive downer on him but there is another example from a free ticket scene I picked up last night (GIO147 Belle Claire & Sara Kay) that shows what I'm talking about. At the end of the scene he's talking to them and tells them they're really dirty but not in an encouraging kind of way....more like a sort of distaste or even disgust. WTF? Then after a super-awkward conversation he finishes the scene by saying "Go and get a shower, you are enough dirty". I mean, if there is anything less sexy you can say to 2 gorgeous girls who have just done some seriously hardcore stuff for their own gratification but also the gratification of the LP viewership then I'm struggling to think what it could be.

A good Yorkshire phrase I was told when growing up springs to mind...."If you've nowt good to say, say nowt".