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I've been really happy with your scenes lately ... not that it really matters. But why, why, why are you dubbing girl "sounds" in more scenes?

I guess I really wouldn't care but lately it's being done VERY poorly and it's quite noticeable. I mean it's not even close to being in sync.

You have a girl talking or laughing while her mouth is full of cock and I find it really distracting. I know, I know, it's porn and who really gives a fuck... well, I do.
I really don't know why you do anyway Giorgio you don't need to and it certainly doesn't add to the scene (IMO).
The scene that lead me to post this was the latest IR scene with Lola Shine. Great scene except for the bad dub.

Anyway, thanks for letting be bitch, as always you're the king Giorgio.

IT'S BEEN GOING ALL YEAR

I realize that, but like I said it's getting REALLY noticeable lately. I disliked it before, but now it's getting ridiculous.
I really don't see the point in doing it anyway, there's really no need.
They're just ADDING dialog on top of the regular dialog and it ends up being a big mess with girls talking, giggling, moaning and screaming all while having a mouth full of cock.
I'd be willing to bet if you take a poll Giorgio you'd find that 99% of your fans dislike the enhancements.

lol it is true, I think these scenes sound like the old porn movies, that is because in porn from 70, 80s they recorded the sound that way to make their voice very clear and edit movies easy, and the mics were not powerful enough to record clearly the voices. Maybe Giorgio is trying cinema techniques.

I guess sometimes it's dubbed over the director's voice or other extraneous sounds.

I'd prefer scenes undubbed if the sounds aren't carefully synced.

Seems a waste of time/money for whoever edits the scenes to introduce dubbed sound that customers dislike.

If it's too much hassle to introduce a boom mic, I'd prefer to put up with the the sound being quieter in longshots, but natural and in sync.

^ Exactly..

Yep it is annoying. Was watching a Giorgio scene recently where they are doing a position swap, so they stopped, but the fucking sound and moans keep going

avanfurwet wrote:I guess sometimes it's dubbed over the director's voice or other extraneous sounds.

I'd prefer scenes undubbed if the sounds aren't carefully synced.

Seems a waste of time/money for whoever edits the scenes to introduce dubbed sound that customers dislike.

If it's too much hassle to introduce a boom mic, I'd prefer to put up with the the sound being quieter in longshots, but natural and in sync.

Well said!

No wonder why no word from Giorgio himself yet. People still buy it, so nobody cares. That's how it's today. I'm not buying it anymore.

I know, I really disappointed that Giorgio has chosen not to respond.
Maybe you're right and he just doesn't care anymore because he's making money ...I hope not!

I'll answer asap (I'm not in office for few days)

Excellent! Thank You Giorgio.

avanfurwet wrote:I guess sometimes it's dubbed over the director's voice or other extraneous sounds.

Wouldnt mind directors instructions to stay there at all.
I mean its gonzo porn and its obvious that most is just staged.
What I also noticed is girls being quiet when fucking and than suddenly after Giorgio starts to moan in their back rolling the camera they pick up moaning, too! LOL!

I guess all in all just better pre-shot instruction is needed.

I use to direct really a lot, and in post production, specially on the transitions between positions, we remplace the audio.
This problem is connected to the fact that the more I stop for give suggestions/explanations and the more the action is penalized.
Previously I used to cut out from the edited video all the transitions at all, but I was required to keep these parts in the edited video.
Not sure what to say more, maybe is better to cut out the transition at all, the issue is concentrated there imho

Giorgio Grandi wrote:I use to direct really a lot, and in post production, specially on the transitions between positions, we remplace the audio.
This problem is connected to the fact that the more I stop for give suggestions/explanations and the more the action is penalized.
Previously I used to cut out from the edited video all the transitions at all, but I was required to keep these parts in the edited video.
Not sure what to say more, maybe is better to cut out the transition at all, the issue is concentrated there imho

Thanks Giorgio.
FWIW I would rather keep the transition to keep the flow of the scene.
If the price we pay is to hear the director's voice, I would prefer to hear that instead of dubbed sound.
Just my opinion.

Do not cut out anything please. The less cutting the better

Now I understand the reason Giorgio.
Thank You

avanfurwet wrote:

Giorgio Grandi wrote:I use to direct really a lot, and in post production, specially on the transitions between positions, we remplace the audio.
This problem is connected to the fact that the more I stop for give suggestions/explanations and the more the action is penalized.
Previously I used to cut out from the edited video all the transitions at all, but I was required to keep these parts in the edited video.
Not sure what to say more, maybe is better to cut out the transition at all, the issue is concentrated there imho

Thanks Giorgio.
FWIW I would rather keep the transition to keep the flow of the scene.
If the price we pay is to hear the director's voice, I would prefer to hear that instead of dubbed sound.
Just my opinion.

It would be better than dubbing. I suppose that voice of director shouldn't be a problem and will not disturb watching of the act.

You can hear gonzo directors talk in their movies, making sure the girl is OK, or issuing instructions, or you can see the girls gazing at the director for cues on what to do,
and their movies would be slightly better if that never happened. But it's a small shortcoming caused by often working with new babes. And we forgive them.

But adding moaning sounds to cover that up is WORSE.

Giorgio please stop adding moaning sounds.

Yes, I forgot to add that though I understand why you do it, please do not add moaning or other sounds.
Either edit differently or something.

avanfurwet wrote:

Giorgio Grandi wrote:I use to direct really a lot, and in post production, specially on the transitions between positions, we remplace the audio.
This problem is connected to the fact that the more I stop for give suggestions/explanations and the more the action is penalized.
Previously I used to cut out from the edited video all the transitions at all, but I was required to keep these parts in the edited video.
Not sure what to say more, maybe is better to cut out the transition at all, the issue is concentrated there imho

Thanks Giorgio.
FWIW I would rather keep the transition to keep the flow of the scene.
If the price we pay is to hear the director's voice, I would prefer to hear that instead of dubbed sound.
Just my opinion.

I would prefer to hear the director's voice as well, instead of dubbed sound.

Of course, maybe now we will hear the director's voice, moaning.

I really miss the transition parts. I mean not necessary to include all of it without a cut, because it will
make a scene too long, but to actually include that moment (make an ending) of position A, then cut where
you can do your next directing and suggestions, and then make an intro to the position B and continue.

Having direct cuts from A to B is horrbile, for example we see a guy fucking her RAC, then he shows a gape
for the first time once for like 1 second and then you have immediatelly cut and we see a guy already fucking in doggy. This is unaccepltable.

So make some ending of take one (with the example above, do repeately gapes, repeat last position or make it a little longer, so we see it's going to change to another position, then do a cut and then start with another position with a llittle intro (the girl basically can move from the previous position to the new one, but the actors will already know what to do because you told them before you start rolling take B. Got it?

This will have much better scene / picture flow and will be much easier to edit without the need of overdubbing.

kidloco2 wrote:Having direct cuts from A to B is horrbile, for example we see a guy fucking her RAC, then he shows a gape
for the first time once for like 1 second and then you have immediatelly cut and we see a guy already fucking in doggy. This is unaccepltable.

Thats often done when the girls had problems with the CGA insertion in this example. Or they occurred other troubles like woodproblems etc. I hate it, too. Porn is fantasy and fairytale but it shoud be consistant on-set realisic for me in a gonzo scene.

avanfurwet wrote:Of course, maybe now we will hear the director's voice, moaning.

You hear him already quite often - for instructional reasons - as I mentioned.
Nothing bad as such I think but I'd prefer Giorgio just saying "moan louder!" instead or something.
I dont mind director instructions in gonzo at all, IF they are no bad-mouthed orders but uttered with respect though clearly if needed with that girl or stud.
Best is probabely still a set of signs like Mike Angelo often uses them to guide the girls while the camera is rolling.

this issue is so annoying. And it's disappointing to see that people have been complaining about it for over a year and it still hasn't been fixed. It's at the point where I won't download scenes from this studio anymore because of it.

ab98985 wrote:this issue is so annoying. And it's disappointing to see that people have been complaining about it for over a year and it still hasn't been fixed. It's at the point where I won't download scenes from this studio anymore because of it.

Funny, because 99% of the time, I watch porn with the sound off. The only time I sometimes turn it up is to hear piss filling up the girl's mouth, or if the girl is speaking her native language, other than English.

This is a total disaster, catastrophe.
Whoever came up with this fcuked up overdubbing nonsense original sound mash up bootleg bullshit must be really sick in the head.

I never noticed and dont really give a fuck. 99% of the time the audio is fine. People on this forum love to bitch and complain more than they love porn. Maybe Giorgio stop shooting porn, would you be happy then? No matter what he does some asshole has to cry about it. Be grateful you miserable cunts.

Giorgio, PLEASE STOP DUBBING, this is really annoying, I dont get why you should do that, if there are girl farts pr some instructions for her, its fine, it is not crush atmosphere so much, but when you hear like girl is start screaming and it is the top moment of scene, sound editor says: here you are, bitch, take fucking 20-sec backwards sound cut of moaning again and forget all emotional scream that girl start making. Really, this is bullshit... I promise, people who turns on a sound in your vids, dont give a fuck if there some comments from operator, non-erotic farts or something like this. It is much better than fucked up editing

Giorgio!! I know you are not going to stop using overdubbing, but I'm sure it's just plain wrong. Is the purpose to destroy the scene?
How can such a great director persona allow it? I can't get it, why?

Sound is generally more important then picture. I feel disappointed when the sound line doesn't match actual picture.

kidloco2 wrote:Sound is generally more important then picture.

I wouldn't go that far. Visual is ultimately more important, but good, raw audio together with great video is best.

I frequently listen with headphones to milk every last bit of excitement out of a scene. It is always better when dubbing is kept to a minimum.

Which scene?
There are many reasons to not let everything the girl says on set inside the final product.
Final product is always a version of what actually happened on set, its not a 1 to 1 documentary because that wouldn't sell.
Users want their porn fantasies fulfilled, ya know!

This said some of the dubbing becomes really obnoxious and makes some parts hardly watchable.
Thus generally I do support the call for an absolute minimum of dubbing.

Yep, but its always a question how much of such instructions be it by the girl of the director you want left in the final cut.
If she's asked them to fuck her harder and deeper, there would be no question.
But do we really wanna hear her complain?

And than technically its already end of the fucking basically, she may be tired a bit already and its her good right, but users want her to last for hours and still enjoy it all.
Thats the point when producing porn you may be tempted to just dub a sentence like that.

Is there even auto monaing going on? If so that's even worst than I thought!

FFS why to give such effort to something so useless? Am I the only one who actually wants to hear even complaining or comments by the girl?
Be it in english so most of ppl can understand and all is fine

She may complain, but not too much.
Fantasy has still to work.

Btw, in that distant Sineplex Piter past I sometimes really liked those harsh director instructions from the off. Sometimes they got on my nerves, though.


Its all a question of the mix, though.
Sure no moaning on autopilot!

dap-addict wrote:Yep, but its always a question how much of such instructions be it by the girl of the director you want left in the final cut.
If she's asked them to fuck her harder and deeper, there would be no question.
But do we really wanna hear her complain?

And than technically its already end of the fucking basically, she may be tired a bit already and its her good right, but users want her to last for hours and still enjoy it all.
Thats the point when producing porn you may be tempted to just dub a sentence like that.

To me it is best to hear when a girl complains. It is a turn on for some people, also you learn more about the girl, it gives them more depth. And it breaks up the monotony of constant moaning.

I always pay attention to parts where a girl might say in Russian, "I'm in pain", "go slower" or "I'm tired" it is a big turn on for some reason. That being said.

Giorgio please stop cutting out the audio, or release the cut stuff as bts. It was great in Angie Koks gangbang, where you left in her barfing. It was a big turn on and the bts where she was in pain in DAP.

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Also one of my favorites is where Gio starred in with Black Angel. There were parts where she was uncomfortable with fucking yet she continued and you did not cut. But there were clearly visible parts where she had enough and it was cut out.
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Would be awesome if Gio could release cur content from his movies including older ones for a ticket or two. I guarantee that there will be enough people to buy it. Free profit since the content is already there unless it was deleted..