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[magizi877]

I'm gonna have a lot of free time since I sprained my ankle which resulted in some days off from work.
So what inspired me to write this, was this new scene



Cristal Greene first scene was visually very pleasing to watch. She features a beautifully shaped body and she poses just brilliantly.
Which is usually the case for GG scenes.
I hope there will be more with her, and not just one more scene, you teased at the end (3 on 2).

In general I could say that I enjoyed the scene. I don't regret buying it at 4 tkt although, I don't really look forward to the DAP parts.
So to me, the price was steep. Considering Gonzo does similar for much less. Or just one more ticket and you get 10 v 1.

I didn't like how much she is moaning though, at times it evens seems like it was added in post production.
That's very unnecessary if true. Another thing I disliked was her ability to suck cock, which is lacking (all she is doing is putting the head of the cock in her mouth, and that's it) But she is new, right?
So I guess that's OK. (no it isn't)

I'm under the impression that "the white models" is Tarra's and GG's baby. So I'm thinking, that Gonzo and Sineplex could take advantage of it,
since you guys are friends. In hopes of seeing those girls more often. S

The reason why I'm saying this, is because although I think GG scenes are great, there are 2 key things I like, that he is missing...

One is, most of his girls don't reappear, ever. I don't know what's everyone stance on this, but to me, my favorite porn stars, are those that appear in porn scenes, CONSTANTLY.

To me, a big factor when it comes to "instantly" purchasing a scene, blindly, without looking at the trailer OR the price, is when one of my favorite pornstars is in it.

SO when this scene was released



I didn't even cared it was 5.3 tkt. Cuz she is one of my favorites.

My current favorite is Blanche. She has done many scenes where the action is OK, it's somewhat slow and standard, and still, I'm buying cuz she is my favorite.
She is not even very good getting DAP (her magnificent ass is too tight i guess, ), and I really just don't care.

And I just don't have that with GG scenes. Other than Belle Claire with 4 scenes, most other girls just have 1 or 2 appearances.

This HAS TO BE hurting sales. I'm saying this because:

Do not worry Laura, here on LP when a girl does not take 3 cocks in the ass or if she doesnt look like a wren with androgen body, she goes unnoticed.
Sad but very true, LP is a "double anal gangbang" website, focused on extreme anal and on skinny extreme teen looking girl. I

I'm gonna say, that before GG showed up, double anal was not a popular thing here. It appeared sometimes. But not half the time. And according to DAP-Addict, sometimes is appearing as much as everyday.
So legalporno growth over the past two years, is not necesarilly DAP or gangbangs.. Perhaps that's what makes them unique, when compared to the rest of the porn industry.

Since he mentioned Arwen lets think about that.
Arwen is a cutie for sure, but IMHO she is not anywhere near at the level of good looks of some other girls. So her good looks, are not the only thing fans like about her. There has to be more to it.
Her ability to take cock, thick and large, hard and deep, is what separates her from the rest. How that happened?

Well in short, she has appeared in over 20 scenes. Given her time to build her skills and also to gather a following.
Fans grow attached to her performance, cuz it was nurtured with many scenes. And this increases her sales, her fans are buying her scenes, simply because she there.
But not all her scenes were DAP. Some extreme acts are not required completely. Those are the cherry on the cake.

This is true for all the popular gonzo girls. Linda Sweet, Timea, etc.

By always shooting with new girls, you are hurting the long term sales. Because one, they don't fuck as good (so they are just not as fun to watch), and two, they don't have enough fans yet.
You have to pick some favorites :/

The other thing that GG scenes are missing is manhandle.





Or even the men just "going to town" on the girls is missing

[gapefan]

Do not worry Laura, here on LP when a girl does not take 3 cocks in the ass or if she doesnt look like a wren with androgen body, she goes unnoticed.
Sad but very true, LP is a "double anal gangbang" website, focused on extreme anal and on skinny extreme teen looking girl.

I'm gonna say, that before GG showed up, double anal was not a popular thing here. It appeared sometimes. But not half the time. And according to DAP-Addict, sometimes is appearing as much as everyday.
So legalporno growth over the past two years, is not necesarilly DAP or gangbangs.. Perhaps that's what makes them unique, when compared to the rest of the porn industry.

In my opinion, DAP has been popular for a long time

It's just that it disappeared for the most part around 2005 when piracy began to plague the industry, and everyone was cutting back on scene funding

Now that it's back, I think it's pretty apparent that there is a sizeable market for it

LegalPorno is living proof!

I'm not saying that every scene should include it (although at times I wish it was!). By no means would that be a logical approach to the market, as it certainly isn't for everyone. But, I do think that it should continue to be included at the rate that it has been.

It's certainly one of the main reasons I'm here

LegalPorno is a premium brand, providing premium content, at a premium price. DAP is one of the main things that differentiates LegalPorno from it's competition. And as such, it should definitely continue to be included.

[hjohjole]

Another thing I disliked was her ability to suck cock, which is lacking (all she is doing is putting the head of the cock in her mouth, and that's it) But she is new, right?
So I guess that's OK. (no it isn't)

I think that you fast forwarded your way through this scene a little to much.

[dpconnoisseur1]

I don't know what's everyone stance on this, but to me, my favorite porn stars, are those that appear in porn scenes, CONSTANTLY.

To me, a big factor when it comes to "instantly" purchasing a scene, blindly, without looking at the trailer OR the price, is when one of my favorite pornstars is in it.

+1,000,0000 Agree

Now that it's back, I think it's pretty apparent that there is a sizeable market for it

LegalPorno is living proof!

-1, I disagree with this point of view and its often what dap-addict and I frequently debate on the forum.

The statement that "LP is living proof that DAP is popular" is a bridge to far with an assumption. LP scenes are a mixed bag of tricks and it tries to bring in as much of an audience to make the purchase. So you can't say it is because of DAP that someone bought a scene. That removes the biggest factor the models sexual appeal, followed by pussy, anal, DP, DPP, A2M, A2P and deep throat to name a few fetishes that are combined into the scene. Don't want to rehash the same points that I constantly bring up so I won't.

I will just say the beauty of LP and what separates it from other popular sites is that it caters to a more extreme sexual audience that is often neglected on the market with daily scenes. That is why every niche/fetish/category member tries to make a claim of what LP is because of their hope that the content they enjoy has a daily release schedule. For me its obviously DP followed closely by anal, pussy, gape and finally DPP and DAP. When naysayers say dumb things like LP is boring because other site already do this or they are becoming like Brazzers I just simply shake my head and laugh. The most complementary way I can vehemently disagree is buy calling them naive or that they are being disingenuous. I often ask them to show me another site that does what LP does and I hear crickets because it doesn't exist. There is a love hate relationship between all LP members because we all want our fetish to be released daily. Thus the LP formula to combine as many fetishes/niches/categories as possible in a cohesive scene.

[gapefan]

That's why I said it's one of the main reasons. Not the only reason

I went the rounds with TastesLikeAss about this very thing, only it was whether or not people bought the pissing scenes for the piss, or some other factor.

If you look back at those conversations between he and I, I myself said many times that there are multiple factors that go into a person's decision to purchase. While he insisted that it was the solely the piss that pushed those scenes into the best sellers list.

I completely agree that DAP is not the only reason for purchase. But I will argue until I'm blue in the face, that it is a significant factor when it comes to certain fans purchasing habits here. Mainly because it is one of the main reasons for me, along with the models sexual appeal, the outfit, the intensity, and other factors which you mentioned.

I will never be able to prove it numerically. The only person with the sales data, that could perform a statistical analysis and correlate the p-value for each variable, is xxx.

But it's pretty apparent to me, from looking at the performance of various scenes, along with people's comments and requests on [spam] and other forms of social media and forums, that DAP is indeed popular. Even Giorgio himself, seems to agree

I do believe the most significant factor is, and always will be, the model herself. That part, I definitely agree with you on!

[dpconnoisseur1]

Again, we can respectively disagree GapeFan!

You say, DAP.
I say, DP (but I analyze enough data is my life to know better)
And Piss fan say, Piss!

*** One thing we can all see is, LP is still standing after all the countless threats from piss fans of canceling their membership and leaving. It would be the same for DP or DAP. I firmly believe that there is just as many fans that love or hate any fetish you name so you don't quite loose members you just replace them with another member type. Brazzers does great with just barely catering to the anal fan base but has a huge audience. So there is a large audience for pussy only content but LP doesn't go after that audience but that huge market exist. Full disclosure I don't want them to go after that audience either just making a point. ***

[gapefan]

The difference is, as I pointed out earlier, LegalPorno charges a premium price for their content. Giorgio explains the concept quite well here:

http://www.legalporno.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=69573#p69573

Do not worry Laura, here on LP when a girl does not take 3 cocks in the ass or if she doesnt look like a wren with androgen body, she goes unnoticed.
Sad but very true, LP is a "double anal gangbang" website, focused on extreme anal and on skinny extreme teen looking girl. It is even worse then with the pee. At least the pee addicted are almost flexible. DAP, 0% pussy, gangs, etc, 18y.o. dap... Im wondering what customers will pretend in few years. The problem is that in any other niche seams that the amount of free porn doesnt justify to pay for adult content.
It supposed to go "mainstream", but seams to me its more and more fetish. I dont mind really, and its not a fault of LP, are the users ruling the market and Im ok with anal content.

[laura.]

I didn't like how much she is moaning though, at times it evens seems like it was added in post production.
That's very unnecessary if true.)

I did think that myself but assumed it was just poor syncing?

One is, most of his girls don't reappear, ever. I don't know what's everyone stance on this, but to me, my favorite porn stars, are those that appear in porn scenes, CONSTANTLY

Not sure why this is? i wonder if the models push themselves too hard in their first scenes and wonder afterwards why they did it? would perhaps a more progressive approach be more suitable? or maybe for many girls its just a fantasy they want to dip their toes into before they carry on with the rest of their lives? or is it market forces and a lack of popularity dictates if they get invited back for more?

Anyway good post and hope the ankle mends quickly x

[laura.]

Another thing I disliked was her ability to suck cock, which is lacking (all she is doing is putting the head of the cock in her mouth, and that's it) But she is new, right?
So I guess that's OK. (no it isn't)

I think that you fast forwarded your way through this scene a little to much.

I did think that, i thought she displayed some pretty strong deep throat skills x

[Giorgio Grandi]

I'm gonna have a lot of free time since I sprained my ankle which resulted in some days off from work.

Good luck then )))

I'm under the impression that "the white models" is Tarra's and GG's baby

Its a project born long time ago, but for many reason we started to work on it in the past without to continue. Now the situation is different and we can work on the project better. The think is recruit girls in CZ like no one did before, actually seams the system works pretty good.
LP is a "showcase", the best in europe. Like I already explained in another topic, many producers are hunting for any model published on LP. Believe me, is getting even ridiculous, we got producers interest in Miss. Greenville and Sarah even before the scene were published.
TWM its just a the beginning, I think will be even better.

One is, most of his girls don't reappear, ever. I don't know what's everyone stance on this, but to me, my favorite porn stars, are those that appear in porn scenes, CONSTANTLY.

I though a lot in the past weeks and I concluded that Im not interest to shoot constantly models already exploited. I prefer to built stars myself and then keep shooting them on long term. Greenville & Kay are just the first 2, also now its almost holiday time.
I underline "built", because to find a girl and to manage the girl is something different. Any girl can shoot very hard content if well directed, specially at the beginning. If who direct is not capable to teach and control the actors, most of the girls get away after the first anal.

So legalporno growth over the past two years, is not necesarilly DAP or gangbangs

Since he mentioned Arwen lets think about that... Well in short, she has appeared in over 20 scenes. Given her time to build her skills and also to gather a following.

By always shooting with new girls, you are hurting the long term sales

I dont agree

The other thing that GG scenes are missing is manhandle.

Or even the men just "going to town" on the girls is missing

[gapefan]

Don't worry GG. You will never please them all. I myself find your work to be absolute perfection!

The perfect combination of naughty and nice!

No one else does it better!

Keep doing your thing!


As far as The White Models are concerned, I can't say I'm surprised the whole European industry is taking notice, seeing the quality of your's, Tarra's, and Marko's work! That of course includes the amazing girls you've recruited already! The rest of the world is not far behind in taking notice, if they haven't already! Congratulations on your success! You guys deserve it!

[magizi877]

My injury is going well. It's not a big deal, I had worse. haha. This time it wasn't motorcycle related.
But thanks for those who commented on it.

I wanted to clarify on her blowjob skill.
I was thinking around the time, when she was being DP'ed or DAP'ed. Her head motion, back and forward was non existent.
The dude wasn't helping either.

When I'm thinking about a girl with good blowjob skills, I'm not thinking about that woman who did a deepthroat for a few seconds in a 50+ movie,
but I'm thinking about the girls that do a deepthroat, in all scenes, constantly throughout the scene.

It was a bit passive. And I prefer seeing something more hardcore.

Like this:



But as I said, I liked the scene. I'm just sharing my thoughts on the subject of sales and such.

Also about the manhandling. Since you gave me the face. I guess you don't like that.

One of your dudes, I don't know his name, the blonde guy, he could be a good place to start.





But

If you do start doing some, just don't do it for all scenes,
and DON'T EXAGGERATE. Quiz the girls likes and dislikes.

I mean, now that I'm thinking about it, Gonzo was doing anal scenes with pee, and you started doing pee scenes with anal.
Gonzo was doing anal scenes with DAP, and you started doing DAP scenes with some anal.

It's a bit scary, now that I'm really thinking about it, if you do start doing manhandle scenes. /lol

I though a lot in the past weeks and I concluded that Im not interest to shoot constantly models already exploited. I prefer to built stars myself and then keep shooting them on long term. Greenville & Kay are just the first 2, also now its almost holiday time.
I underline "built", because to find a girl and to manage the girl is something different. Any girl can shoot very hard content if well directed, specially at the beginning. If who direct is not capable to teach and control the actors, most of the girls get away after the first anal.

I think this is good news.

I wasn't really saying, "hey you should pick, Linda, Timea or Blanche", but rather, "of the girls you have worked with, pick some favorites, So that when we think "GG studio" an image of that girl pops in our head.
Similar to how marketing coca-cola works, you think "I'm thirsty" and you think about a coke. /lol

Or if you don't want to shoot with a particular girl anymore, for whatever reason, just make sure, Gonzo or Sineplex has a chance to book her, before other studios.

Although I don't think, anybody would complain if you do end filming Timea, Blanche or Linda at one point. /haha

BTW that scene with those 3 girls, was incredible fun to watch.

[laura.]

though a lot in the past weeks and I concluded that Im not interest to shoot constantly models already exploited. I prefer to built stars myself and then keep shooting them on long term. Greenville & Kay are just the first 2, also now its almost holiday time.
I underline "built", because to find a girl and to manage the girl is something different. Any girl can shoot very hard content if well directed, specially at the beginning. If who direct is not capable to teach and control the actors, most of the girls get away after the first anal.

I agree on your philosophy on this. As much as i enjoy the long standing stars, the emergence of new talent keeps things fresh and given time they will also be stars, under the right direction and management. The quality and standard of Sarah and Crystal are in my opinion, top drawer and hopefully future stars.

Keep what you are doing, Tarra and yourself have a great concept, it's slick and looks well managed and somebody has a good eye for talent:) x

[classicporno]

I think that giorgio does a nice balance between body types and looks of girls. my personal type is curvy-big tits and ass also between 30-40 years old as you can see by the models I keep suggesting
There is something very sexy about a woman who is experienced and horny and fully filled out-Francesca Le/ Francescia Jaimes/simony diamond/ Liza del sierra/ Katja Kassin/ Angell Summers.
I dont really have much of a thing for the super skinny or teen look.
Thats just my personal taste though-Legalporno seems to have a little of everything
I would also agree with the post about seeing established stars getting the giorgio treatment- having watched my favorites get mild/ vanilla fare the fantasy is that they would one day go all the way( just like the amazing simony diamond).
With new stars however attractive they might be there isnt the buildup of anticipation that the really hard scenes are coming-For me the anticipation is 'almost' as good as the moment. I have been watching simony since day 1 and the picture showing her en-route to giorgios den of iniquity had me pumped!!

[Giorgio Grandi]

Actually I shot one real manhandle scene with Belle Claire long time ago. Basically I think who loves the manhandle should look at the backstage and then understand what his fetish cost to the girl. The level of stress and distress that the girl have to handle for do her job.

I dont know if I will ever publish this scene. Im sure many of you will complain about the comments of all the performers on the stage about this kind of fetish. We will see, may be I will do a xmas present, a present you wont like at all.

[marcimilan10]

sounds good

[gapefan]

I'm glad you are not a fan of that style GG

Neither am I

I like to see these women writhing in ecstasy!

Not the opposite

[laura.]

Giorgios last sentence infers it won't be pleasant to watch. I like some rough porn but may give thay one a steer

[Giorgio Grandi]

Giorgios last sentence infers it won't be pleasant to watch. I like some rough porn but may give thay one a steer

Im talikng about the backstage, when Belle tells me that she doesnt hate me, but she hates anyone is turned on by watching a movie where a girl is degraded and humiliated.
The scene is fantastic, looking at what I supposed to shoot.

[magizi877]

Yeah... I don't enjoy it either, when it is visually evident that the manhandle was too hard for the girl.
I also don't like to "manhandle" my girlfriend ALL the time. It's just like spicing things up.



I personally also enjoy when it's slow and beautiful.



There is a Nataly Gold scene here. That IMO it's unwachable cuz it was just too rough on her.
Even though some ppl at the time, said she managed fine. To me, when it is too hard, it is no longer an erotic thing to do.
SO, like anything really, moderation is key.
At the same time, when the action is too much like a fairy tale, I just don't like it either.

I like to mix things up.

[dpconnoisseur1]

Giorgios last sentence infers it won't be pleasant to watch. I like some rough porn but may give thay one a steer

Im talikng about the backstage, when Belle tells me that she doesnt hate me, but she hates anyone is turned on by watching a movie where a girl is degraded and humiliated.
The scene is fantastic, looking at what I supposed to shoot.

+1, I agree with Belle

[SuperImp]

Yeah... I don't enjoy it either, when it is visually evident that the manhandle was too hard for the girl.
I also don't like to "manhandle" my girlfriend ALL the time. It's just like spicing things up.

I personally also enjoy when it's slow and beautiful.

There is a Nataly Gold scene here. That IMO it's unwachable cuz it was just too rough on her.
Even though some ppl at the time, said she managed fine. To me, when it is too hard, it is no longer an erotic thing to do.
SO, like anything really, moderation is key.
At the same time, when the action is too much like a fairy tale, I just don't like it either.

I like to mix things up.

Yup, agreed magizi87. I'm a fan of the rough scenes too.

Just adding my two cents. There is a difference between rough sex and those that approach or go beyond the comfort and limits of the performer(s). The latter usually results in the immediate change of the body/facial language and/or tone of voice. Usually a mood killer for most viewers too I would assume when they see someone in distress or doing a segment in which you can clearly see they aren't comfortable in (If it hasn't been cut yet). Of course, you do have the focused performers that will do their best to finish a scene without a slight hint of discomfort visible to the viewers.

I think the issue as evident on these forums is what is considered rough/degraded/humiliated sex. It'll vary by tastes, but I'm sure Belle has her definition as well. It's hard to gauge as we won't/haven't seen GG's scene with her. I'm sure he goes the extra mile in this scene, but would definitely still check it out since he mentioned the footage looks good.

I think the BTS commentary would be nice and a solid look at the perspective of the performers. While it may break the fantasy of some viewers to hear her say that, it would also give a more realistic look at what goes on during a porn set. Reminds me of a scene with Monica Sweetheart (I miss ya!) in which she said she HATED anal, but did it cause it paid well and was in demand.

[tommysxc]

So... the latest manhandle scene with Belle is out and exactly as Giorgio described. Kind of hard to watch, especially after the watching the bts first. It definitely has given me a greater appreciation of the massive toll a scene like this takes on the girl, even regardless of whether she enjoys any part of it. There are some really great moments where she's having a little fun, and the DAP is all amazing as of course we can expect from Belle. Personally my greatest turn on is where a girl can be pushed to her physical limits but walking the fine line that it takes to ensure she really enjoys a sincere ecstasy. In this scene, clearly Belle wasn't having nearly as much fun as I've seen her before, and henceforth I didn't find it nearly as hot, d empire it being significantly rougher.

Well done Belle for being an absolute champion in starring in such a scene with Giorgio at the helm. And we'll done Giorgio for making her feel safe enough to let you do this to her for the consumers.

[Wotan29]

I made a new Manhandling Poll in the Giorgio Grandi Forum.

Please feel free to vote for your most liked stuff:
viewtopic.php?f=101&t=18759