Poll: Refund and stop all this fake cum bullshit NOW

[otto1219]

OK, GG, (and thanks for chiming in with your valuable insight, seriously)

Real and porn are mutually exclusive? Is that what you mean? IOW, if something is real it is not porn, and if something is porn, it is not real?

I disagree, though I can see in your productions these days you speak correctly. Your "porn" is not "real" but a jumble of staged positions each lasting about 60-90 seconds with the models showing little to no enjoyment at all and contain no visible lust nor desire. I could argue that your productions ARE real, they are just not porn.

All the world's a stage, some stages are far more believable. It's called "suspending disbelief." Disbelief rules your work. It is check boxes, timing, and ultimately all the same video.

Your observation is not true for much of the "porn" that is out there. There are videos in which real lust happens, real sex happens, it is just not in yours or in many here at AV, with exceptions.
You did have it in your earlier work, esp way back when you performed in the videos, like 10 years ago. It's gone now in your videos as you correctly describe. It does exist elsewhere in many places though.

[number1s]

Gio, thank you for taking the trouble to respond and for your observations but I think that we are at cross purposes.

Yes, I understand that porn is fantasy and that in reality the ladies who entertain us are not insatiable nymphomaniacs who can’t bear to pass a day without taking multiple cocks in every orifice.

“ In porn the fucking is real - that’s rather the whole point isn’t it?”

To clarify, what I meant by this is the basic mechanics – that (hardcore) porn involves actual penetration. Whereby it follows that if a scene is advertised as including anal, the consumer might reasonably expect to see a dick penetrating the anus. Likewise a scene tagged as featuring a blowjob should probably include a sequence where the dick is shown in the mouth. So, if you describe a scene as featuring a creampie, a consumer might reasonably expect a ‘genuine’ creampie, not a simulated one. Otherwise it is a sheer misrepresentation. If you describe it accurately as a simulated creampie then the position is clear, there is no misrepresentation and no legitimate grounds for complaint.

In many countries legislation exists to protect the consumer against misleading claims or misrepresentation on the part of the vendor. But it seems that ‘caveat emptor’ is even more applicable to porn than it is to many other industries.

[drevokocur66]

Make true tags... fake creampie, tip fucking, spit n spill... but that doesn't drum up sales, does it?

[dap-addict]

Too many users ask for creampies.
Makes it so easy for studios to fake.
Most porn watchers dont care it seems.
For them it just has to look good.

Because porn is not reality. Porn, like every movie, is stages and this is the way to do it.
Do you ask to have real gunfight with real bullets on an action movie? I do not think so.

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This misogynist and humiliating attitude towards pornographic female performers, masked complaining to a director/producer, when the content are already extremely hard to perform, is getting boring, dangerous and it's totally shameful.

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But if you believe that with this attitude I will force a model/s to do something they do not want to do, or I will have have a poor cinematic output to satisfy few unrespectful members (...)
The important work is not REAL, but SAFE (SAFE & CONFORT)

Thanks for answering, Giorgio.
But I think you miss the point here. I personally even dont care much about creampies anymore, but that's not the point here. I remember a discussion we had 2-3 years ago a double-cum 1on1 scene of Dylan Brown when I wrongly claimed his creampie was faked. You convinced me than.
But see, than it was possible to REAL creampie your girls, but now suddenly its not possible anymore?
How come?
What changed?


I think its a cheap excuse and cheap attack using misogynist tag a.o.
Its not about girls safety mainly, but about same GIO studs doing fake creampies.
Shall I name them? Shall we check how much they work or have to?

[dap-addict]

If a model doesnt want to get cum in her ass (there are many and the reason is reasonable) I am not going to discriminate her because of this. We can do it another way.

Btw, this is one of the few models I believe you she doenst wanna real cum in her ass: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/138477
But ofc if you asked them all what they prefer they'd prefer fake-sperm and fake-anal sex as well!

[drevokocur66]

Just follow the money. Preference or not, studio pays less for fake creampie vs real.

[drevokocur66]

If a model doesnt want to get cum in her ass (there are many and the reason is reasonable) I am not going to discriminate her because of this. We can do it another way.

Btw, this is one of the few models I believe you she doenst wanna real cum in her ass: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/138477
But ofc if you asked them all what they prefer they'd prefer fake-sperm and fake-anal sex as well!

I love anal, but anal creampies don't do much for me. Vaginal creampies are awesome however. Hard to find, but I do have a small collection.

[davebowman]

I don't really have an option to vote for my preference - less fake creampies, more real facial (or spunking on gaping asshole) cumshots. Internal cumshots are completely pointless on film in my opinion anyway - even if it's real you cant see the moment of orgasm, just whatever is pushed out. Creampies are great in real life, but a complete nonsense to try and film something that happens internally.

[dap-addict]

Just follow the money. Preference or not, studio pays less for fake creampie vs real.

No, stud fee is the same no matter whether he fakes it or cums for real.
Same for girls fees.
Piss makes a difference, sperm doenst.
Its a multiple booking issue and a bit of time pressure mainly.

And also still its always the same studs faking it very often @ GIO.
Just maybe we name them!
BBC is over 50% fake.

[LordCrash]

Too many users ask for creampies.
Makes it so easy for studios to fake.
Most porn watchers dont care it seems.
For them it just has to look good.

Because porn is not reality. Porn, like every movie, is stages and this is the way to do it.
Do you ask to have real gunfight with real bullets on an action movie? I do not think so.

If a model doesnt want to drink pee but she is able to make a proper swallow (because she feel to gulp pee is disgusting), I do not see any problem, it is still pee drinking
If a model doesnt want to get cum in her ass (there are many and the reason is reasonable) I am not going to discriminate her because of this. We can do it another way.

This misogynist and humiliating attitude towards pornographic female performers, masked complaining to a director/producer, when the content are already extremely hard to perform, is getting boring, dangerous and it's totally shameful.

What will be the next step? To have Real emotion on the stage? Real Love? True intimacy?
You get already some shreds of this and often even more, be happy because comparing to 10 years ago, you are getting the moon.

You are free to ask for a refund if you believe a creampiee is fake or a pee-swallow if fake. If this is a reason to cancel the previous 45 minuted when girl got banged in the ass, do it if you wish so, honestly this doesnt make you much of a man, but please feel free to do it.
But if you believe that with this attitude I will force a model/s to do something they do not want to do, or I will have have a poor cinematic output to satisfy few unrespectful members that without the REAL feeling cant get hard, you can start "hiding" my studios using the proper tool on PB.

The important work is not REAL, but SAFE (SAFE & CONFORT)

Nobody said that you should force anybody to do anything on set, dude.

How about simply only doing stuff the talent actually agrees upon? No need to fake anything, at least not if no "accicents" happen on set.

If the female performer doesn't want to do creampies, then don't do it.
If the female performer doesn't want to swallow pee, just don't do it.

No need to fake anything most of the time.

Don't put the blame on your customers for asking to use less fake body fluids, that's a pretty ridiculous and extremely arrogant take. Ridiculing them for simply voicing their opinion and giving feedback aka "you can't get hard otherwise?" is pathetic. I pay for the stuff I like and as much as you don't want to be judged by others and as much as you don't want the models to be judged by others I want to be judged by you either. I like what I like and that's ok, thank you for your understanding.

Maybe just take it as honest feedback and maybe just release a scene simply without creampies or without pee swallowing in case the female performers you casted don't want to do the stuff. How does that sound?

If a girl is really willing to do certain stuff include it in the scene and make it special. Make it actually worth the price you're asking for a scene. Much better than churning out stuff with badly faked elements just for the sake of making more money by shooting as many as kinky as possible scenes in the shortest time possible. Because that's what your actual goal is, be at least honest. This has nothing to do with the safety on set, which we all support and never questioned, but with you producing scenes with certain elements that you think would maximize profits no matter whether they're true or fake. And sorry, no every customer likes that approach.

[dap-addict]

Don't put the blame on your customers for asking to use less fake body fluids, that's a pretty ridiculous and extremely arrogant take. Ridiculing them for simply voicing their opinion...

I learned to dont even care so much for creampies anymore than I did previously because I expect 80-90% of them shot by GIO/GLab to be faked, especially if BBC actors are involved.
Still, I do still wonder why just a few years ago real creampies consisting or real semen as in most Dylan Brown 1on1 scenes would be accepted by the girls and why in 2021/2 all of a sudden not anymore? I realize however I just have to get my DM to GIO option fixed (by support I suppose) because I may not be well received asking this in the forum open.

[dap-addict]

Btw, I am just asking a simple question.
I dont want to be "usually very critic", I just dont understand and thus I ask.

[drevokocur66]

Btw, I am just asking a simple question.
I dont want to be "usually very critic", I just dont understand and thus I ask.

imo Just follow the money. The girls will do it, if they are paid for it, and won't if they are not. I forget who it was, I was watching a scene, and there she is doing real deep throat on bbc, all the way down. Never seen her do it here at LP. So I am sure different girls have different limits, but money talks, and bullshit walks.

[Sir Noel]

It isn't just the creampies guys, even the facials and swallowing. Some studios it must be knocking on for almost 100% of cumshots are fake..

Here is an example NRX083 with Ekatarina Smit https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215276

Multiple facial cumshots and not a single one looks even remotely real:

Showing an unbroken creampie is no guarantee as they seem to be injecting the gloop up their penises nowadays (there are multiple video demonstrating this online if you goggle for them). The problem is that it doesn't even look like semen in most cases, it is just a perfectly consistent white paste with no lumpiness or translucency or variable consistency.

The REAL issue is that it is almost impossible to check from trailers. There is no method, outside of pirating the scene, to check you aren't being scammed a fake "money shot" (it was labelled a "money shot" for a reason, back in the day) which makes this extra depressing. If in doubt, keep your tickets in your pocket.

[Sir Noel]

sorry for posting the image twice, my bad.

[dap-addict]

This is a pretty old thread and at GIO we got meanwhile clearly much more facials or CIM from the GIO BBC crew, which shows that such threads and polls do make sense.

Still I just want to show that of course also anal creampies can be shot with real goo. Here we have Mina in a very recent AGO scene. Stud discharges into her pooper, withdrawing you clearly see that sperm drop on his dickhead, then Mina pushes the goo out and it has completely other consistency than fake sperm applied before in girls anal cavity from the tube for meanwhile 6-7euro.
This scene of mid April'23: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/353965

[rroper472]

Just seen this.....Sooooooo true.... it pisses me off ....camera zooms on girls face while they pump fake spunk in her ass
then come back to a open shot pretending the guys have come in he ass or pussy....we are not stupid we can tell the difference!!

If guys cant come on point....have some spare guys [not in the action] on the side to do the spunking when the is scene ending...

[2017sucks]

Simply dont buy such scenes and thats all. Even 20on1 GB, with 10 cocks inside the girl, at the same time, if somehow possible gives a 0 on the scene value, if the sperm is fake.

[Hustler2000]

Simply dont buy such scenes and thats all. Even 20on1 GB, with 10 cocks inside the girl, at the same time, if somehow possible gives a 0 on the scene value, if the sperm is fake.

Exactly

[jimkkbogot]

These in my mind are all accurate observations, I think we can can agree its commonplace. It is important to understand the motivation, profit aside as thats always the main reason porn even exists. Like was said the guy behind out the woman and pretending to ram her in the ass is likely but what you cant see you cant be sure. What has become more obvious and I cannot unsee it is substitution, If she wont do the anal, cut the scene and insert said model that can, payment adjusted accordingly. For me its painfully obvious because they never look enough alike, 20kilos difference often. This is the rule not the exception, its duel purpose, as said the scene needs the anal, and erqually important it provides deyability to the actress.If they are accused of acting in a scene they can pause the video at the point they have been subbed out. The fake cumshots are due to lack of technology. Those ten guys could on a bad day drop loads of cum on the face, ten guys is a lot of guys, if they cannot, fire the bastards I am sick of these old men 20 years later anyway. they they are worn out. So you would think , they could squirt a pint of icing sugar and water If granpa cant muster up a decent nut. Heres the reason, think of Zorros mask, from top of lip, including , the nose eyes and eyebrows. That critical part of the face is manipulated in editing always every scene every girl, all ways. You can be sure that more often than not these girls get a Peter North Face bath, What does suck is it is lost when zorros mask . (area of) is manipulated in the edit.
And it doesnt take much manipulation, 7 billion people on our earth all with 40 same to fifty square inches of face, And we instinctively can with a glance see so perfectly that any two of six billion put together will not lookalike...amazing. There is so much more going on than you think.

[jimkkbogot]

screen grabs Alex Crystal.

If anyone with two eyes thinks this a only one "model",, Shake your head man!! They trying slim that fat bitch down but she too fat.

[ladylazarussss]

do you know how hard these scenes are? no way they could cum each time